Fantastic series of videos. This gives a unique insight in the effect of various treatments. I have not found anything like this on youtube. Really appreciated!
Ron… ❤ You know this and have read it before… But you have created content of high value in a way that people get better understanding on their own paths. Deep respect for the time involved. The job involved is massive and I know I could deliver a paid corporate 1 hr informationfilm filmed at several locations for the time put down. Most respect for you sharing knowledge and personal mistakes in a pedagogical way. You make CZcams better… and you understand what the viewer actually wants…
Without the bass absorption, the sound is scattered, uncontrolled and chaotic. Notes are clashing, Highs are harsh mids are muddy and gargle, lows are spotty. With them in, especially on the heavily instrumental songs, you can actually hear the instruments used, not just a bunch of noise. Everything is so clean and precise. It's centered and brings out the best in the music.
Morning Folks! Here are the time stamps for your convenience. 00:00 Start 01:27 Video Concept 02:22 The Elephant 03:10 Better Traps 05:03 Segment One: Bass Trap Demos 05:09 Demo: The Human Voice 07:04 Demo: Noise Control 06:08 Demo: Decay and Reverb 06:59 Demo: Noise Control 07:32 Demo: Ported Speakers 13:33 Demo: Open Baffle Speakers 19:33 Segment Two: Measuring Bass Traps 23:32 Intermission 25:30 Segment Three: Ceiling Cloud Demos 25:36 Demo: The Human Voice 26:30 Demo: Decay and Reverb 27:25 Demo: Ported Speaker 33:26 Demo: Open Baffle Speaker 39:27 Segment 4: Measuring The Clouds 43:02 Segment 5: DIY Bass Trap Bench Demos 43:08 Demo: The Human Voice 44:05 Demo: Decay and Reverb 44:55 Demo: Ported Speaker 50:56 Demo: Open Baffle Speaker 57:00 Segment 5: Measuring The Benches 58:40 Final Thoughts and Next Up?
Another amazing entry into the series! I've been anxiously awaiting this one and it didn't disappoint, thank you so much for all the work that went into demonstrating these changes in a methodical way.
Wow that was a valiant effort. A huge undertaking and a well appreciated one at that. Great work Ron as always. I hope all your listeners had their head phones on. The progress was audibly obvious. I would bet another set of "bench type" absorbers placed directly above the benches in the top corners where the wall meets the ceiling would take things a even step further, maybe made in a long triangle fashion. I would bet they compliment the clouds.
The realities of domestic life have a habit of getting in the way - even those among us who could afford the costs of materials to reasonably treat our listening spaces don’t always have the freedom dedicate them for that sole purpose - but yeah, this has been a fabulously well conceived and executed journey so far. Can’t wait for the subsequent chapters.
@@Newrecordday2013 It was a good video. I’ve been inspired to spend my listening $$$ on researching my listening room & obtaining treatments as appropriate. Already ordered a microphone. Good work, thank you.
It's getting there! Really looking forward to the next video and doing an A/B comparison between the more or less unfurnished room and the completely decked out room.
Thank you so much for these videos. The change when you added the clouds and benches was pretty insane imho! I feel like I have learned a ton through the series so far.
Wow...As they say, POWER is nothing without CONTROL. Amazing how much better the girls voice was with the clouds fitted, this is the first time I've truly understood what SOUNDSTAGE is all about.
Perhaps truer than you intend with your comment. Familiar with the happening where you turn the stereo up because it sounds so good and you want to rock out more... and the sound turns to utter shitte..? Assuming proper gear etc. then that is the sound of the room overloading and the sound freaking out as a result. In a well treated room with excellent bass management you can turn it up considerably more without the room overloading and the sound turning shitte.
Sounds like a highly nuanced balancing act, with the holy grail of systems leading down the road to Nirvana (Preferable turned up to 11?) lol. The one thing I can't listen to is a bad system, it's tiring after an hour, and the three worst things for me are muddy bass missing mid's and tinny top end. Drives (No pun intended honest :) ) me round the bend. The guys have helped me understand so many things in such a complicated subject. I know some people have trouble watching these kind of technical videos, but I find them fascinating :)@@bayard1332
Thanks for the exhaustive testing and editing Ron ! From start to finish there is both an audible and measurable difference in room response. Looking forward to the next NRD 🔊🎶
With the floor carpet and bass traps etc installed, it actually sounded like you'd fitted ceiling speakers. So weird how that disapeared with the clouds in place, every step proved a definite improvement building on the previous one. The full before and after will be jaw dropping.
Thanks for such an amazing high quality series! Gives me some confidence and inspiration to send it with my home office, seeing how amazing the results are. And shout out acoustic insider, its cool to see the philosophy implemented
Thank you! Best acoustic sound demo ever. I am sure this will get a lot of people onboard with room sound treatment as you just cannot get the same SQ improvement by throwing money at the gear itself.
This was a huge effort on your part, Thank you. I am always amazed how much bass absorption helps sibilance. One thing, I think your major issue bass wise is at 27Hz, it shows up as a huge null in your graphs which means that there is a corresponding peak elsewhere in the room. If you took care of that (I know, good luck with that...), it should also take care of the null at 55Hz and probably help smooth out that 40Hz peak.
@Corndog642 I went to ace hardware and grabbed some painting plastic. I believe it was 4mil. But whatever you find is fine. Mine came in 50ft rolls and was 2ft by 4ft.
Thanks for this excellent series. I'm hoping that in the upcoming video(s) you will also include some discussion of the actual room furniture, that is, the seat or seats or couch where the listener(s) sit to experience the music. Obviously different seat materials will reflect and / or absorb sound differently, the size of the seats will have an effect, etc. We're getting further and further into the subtleties here, so perhaps some mention of the seating would not be amiss. Again, thanks!
I'm only mad because I can't binge watch this series... Thanks for putting this together in an orderly fashion. This info is right on time as this is the next major step for my home theatre.
It amazed me how much the reverb times were reduced high in the freq range when you installed the benches. Control the boomy bass and everything improves, I guess?
The benches do help produce a bit cleaner overall, but I begin to see what they mean about EQ, you can do something about the peaks, but not the valleys. In other words, smoothing the signal involves dampening the signal as well. I’ve listened to three videos in a row, and I must get on to other things today, but you’ve definitely helped me. You’ve given me the courage to fire up REW again for the first (hopefully productive) time.
The bass traps allowed the natural or generated reverb in the recording to come through where untreated masked that. And, holy crap, the ceiling clouds made a huge difference. Way more than I expected. Maybe the WAF will allow me to install those in my great room/listening room.
Wow one of the best videos ever!!!! A true demonstration of "your speakers are as good as your room". The difference with each change is outstanding and very noticeable. Would most room issues go away if we were to listen near field? Like speakers 1 foot away or less? Not practical in most cases however...
Yeah the Corner bass traps look quite snazzy I'm digging it. I would say you have it wider and deeper 6 in deep and two and a half feet across that looks about two feet yours. What frequencies do they work at? Research into acoustic treatment has been found to tilt it's out near the top quite a way about 12 inches, measuring about 3 ft from the ceiling you'll get better response that way. Plus keep the backs open not boarded and lying on the wall with an inch of natural sheep's wool fleece, you can buy it in half inch thicknesses so double it up. You might want to try this it works really well and it's simple to put up one thing you want to concentrate on is that corner behind the speakers between the ceiling and the wall and round it off, I did this with bamboo of different thicknesses and bought it over the ceiling 9 ft into the room. Start about two feet down from the ceiling curving it out 14 in at the Apex between the ceiling and the wall, and then meeting up with the ceiling pieces. The only way I could fasten the bamboo strips is with two side pieces cut in the shape of the arc and drilled out holes of different sizes for the bamboo, wrap these end pieces of the bamboo with insulation tape so it's a snug fit in the holes and a strip of thin 6mm thick by 18cm plywood in the middle taking it shape, former's i call it, and these can be screwed into the wall. just make sure there's a little bit of a gap 4cm, from the one side of the wall on one of them so you can slid the bamboo in and out, I did attach some sheep's wall fleece to the back wall but lying loose on the bamboo for the ceiling. Easy to attach it to the ceiling I just put some eye hooks in the ceiling and strung up some fishing line three one in the middle and two another side 19cm from the ceiling and used pieces of foam as spaces between the bamboo, you want to keep these spaces different sizes some of them are 12mm between and others are 9cm gap between each other just make sure it's uniformed, make sure the bamboo goes across not vertical in your sitting listening position. Looks very nice actually it's a good feature I varnished them as well with a egg shell varnish.
Interesting video. Binaural record is also helping. Regarding bass management of room modes, tuned absorption will probably do more than porous absorber.
Interesting video. Binaural record is also helping. Regarding bass management of room modes, tuned absorption will probably do more than porous absorber. It will be interesting to remove the rug…
God I hated the sound of those open baffle speakers... amazing video great demo! (Different strokes for different folks) Love your videos! AMAZING SKILLS! This is what people need to hear/watch/listen and lastly see...b/c we don't hear with our eyes? Or DO WE? BUM BAH BUMMMMMMMMM................................................................
Cool video! One possible improvement: When you show the audio examples with and without clouds, switch during the playtime several times. Scientifically proven we only have a really really short span to remember correctly when judging audio.
Superb patient, scientific, thorough analysis and resolution of acoustic issues! Completely expect you'd use the same segments of the same tracks each time, for the most accurate comparisons between changes. I'm afraid those songs are burned into my consciousness now though, for better or worse!
Those video series are FAR THE BEST ACOUSTIC TREATMENT VIDEO AVAILABLE in youtube rigt now! Please please also make a video about designing bass traps or diffusers tuned for a certain room with the same detail. Thank you.
I thought it was incredible the clarity you got with just the bass traps, then the clouds? WOW, just a massive and enjoyable difference. Excellent work, and this is very inspiring for my planned studio. Is there a playlist for the reference music tracks so we can listen to them on our current monitoring setup?
wow, great demo ,please upload videos how you are doing this step by step like science demo ,measuring instrument, software used and with various rooms, like living room ,demo room, normal home room etc.
Thank you very much for your work. What have I learnt from it? First of all, a passion for a hobby. Furthermore, that it is definitely worth spending money on the right room acoustics before investing too much money in technology. 😊
I did something like Ron's bench traps, it not only works way better at bass management than a couch, but it's very broadband in it's actions, which is crucial, because if it's not then it distorts the resulting tone.
Great great work and video. Wish this was around when I started my padded room. Just a thought. Do you have a video where you decide speaker and listening position in the Soundshed? I have seen your earlier video of speaker placement (that’s why I started following you in the first place) and I have seen Acoustic Insider where he puts one speaker in the corner to find listening position. Did you use that method in the soundshed? Keep up the good work!
@@matt34003434So what's the whole point of the microphone head? For the record, the speakers that came after that were not boomy. Another wrong determination?
I really started to get too self absorbed watching this video. My head was in the clouds and everything just become diffused to me. I just have to escape these trappings
Ron, after as careful listening as I could undertake with my cheapie Sennheiser HD440s, my take away from this session was a better understanding of your affection for the Sapphires. I’ve experimented with a few dipole ESL and DIY dynamic OBs over my 60yrs afflicted with this addiction, and this reinforces my opinion that for that general topology of speaker, room symmetry and appropriate acoustic treatments are essential. In other words, they’ve never worked for me because of the rooms available. For those SPGEA (self proclaimed golden eared audiophiles) who assert that You Tube sound clips can’t tell you anything, your protocol should put that to rest. Of course while the carefully curated playlist and use of binaural dummy head mic clearly demonstrates the improvements at each step, they can’t reveal what any particular speaker will sound like in different rooms. Nicely done, and I’m eager awaiting the next chapter.
Thanks for the video and attention to detail, Ron! Can you say if the different room treatment components impact box speakers more/less than open baffles?
My friend and I have sat on the couch with pillows held above our heads to simulate (kinda?) what ceiling panels in my room would do. It anchored the sound for sure. Now I just need to buy some Basoteck panels and get off my ass to do it.
Awesome video, thanks so much.. I'd love bass traps in the corners but I have a radiator in one corner, so I couldn't run a full length trap. Would running a 2/3's trap from the ceiling down on both sides be worth it do you think?
A big nice room like this is wonderful, yet a double edged sword. It's physical size really gobbles up traditional treatment quantities for typical room sizes.
@@Newrecordday2013 base trap testing with accustic panels in all the proper places; such as behind the speakers, at primy reflection points, rear wall etc..
@@SimplestUsernameIt seemed pretty clear to me that Ron stated this is only one chapter of the journey, and that front / side and rear wall are to follow. I think gotta bet the bass and RT 60 tamed - which certainly qualifies as room treatment - as much as practical before further fine tuning. Stay tuned.
The corner traps is very impressive and what I pretty much expected but the results with the benches blew my mind. Am I correct in thinking the side of the benches facing the room is covered with plywood?
Thanks Ron for taking the effort to this great video. One question if you dont mind. May I know those 5 pieces cloud placing above those speakers or sitting position or evenly through out the listening room? Thank you.
Yes, correct. I have 6 of them in line spread out evenly on the sides of the shed. The other 2 are located above my head and one just behind me where the entrance of the shed is.
Hi, I notice that on your waterfall, the SPL scale is between ~45 and 105. For the Decay chart you used between ~30 and 85. What is the lower part of the scale to be used on this type of analysis? Is it based on the room noise floor? Thanks for your guidance.
Good question, for the decay, I probably should have changed my window setting a little higher, like 40-100. You nailed it already, anything below that - in the 30s or below is really just low level noise floor. Don’t focus a lot on that as you will notice it changes a lot… better to focus on what remains more consistent, which is totally 40db and higher.
But every step up to that one I thought really made a nice improvement. I also listened to the diffusion video and thought that was a nice improvement as well.
I’ll be honest, the biggest difference to me was between the speakers. The open baffle ones without bass traps sounded better than the ported ones with bass traps.
It's actually pretty neat, as using different kinds of speakers allows Ron to illustrate how room treatment will affect both kinds of speakers and how they both interact with the room. Then you can also add to that, a cabinet that is fairly resonant won't show as much improvement vs a well-braced box, or open-baffle speaker, as the speaker cabinet is still adding its own separate resonance or "bloom" to the sound, even after the room is accounted for.
It doesn't make sense to have a rise of RT60 at 40Hz after installing more absorption. Have you checked that the panels in front of the benches don't resonate? Can you remove them and measure again?
I think there might be a mix-up in how I worded that section. The frequency response showed the 40Hz peak as slightly higher after the benches. When examining my RT60 times, they are pretty much neck and neck. I did try turning the benches around so the plywood was facing the wall, but it didn't make a difference. I appreciate your input! Good catch!
I've never seen someone take room acoustic so seriously. This was so enjoyable and pleasing to watch, honestly!
Fantastic series of videos. This gives a unique insight in the effect of various treatments. I have not found anything like this on youtube. Really appreciated!
Ron… ❤ You know this and have read it before… But you have created content of high value in a way that people get better understanding on their own paths. Deep respect for the time involved. The job involved is massive and I know I could deliver a paid corporate 1 hr informationfilm filmed at several locations for the time put down. Most respect for you sharing knowledge and personal mistakes in a pedagogical way. You make CZcams better… and you understand what the viewer actually wants…
Without the bass absorption, the sound is scattered, uncontrolled and chaotic. Notes are clashing, Highs are harsh mids are muddy and gargle, lows are spotty. With them in, especially on the heavily instrumental songs, you can actually hear the instruments used, not just a bunch of noise. Everything is so clean and precise. It's centered and brings out the best in the music.
That’s correct
Morning Folks! Here are the time stamps for your convenience.
00:00 Start
01:27 Video Concept
02:22 The Elephant
03:10 Better Traps
05:03 Segment One: Bass Trap Demos
05:09 Demo: The Human Voice
07:04 Demo: Noise Control
06:08 Demo: Decay and Reverb
06:59 Demo: Noise Control
07:32 Demo: Ported Speakers
13:33 Demo: Open Baffle Speakers
19:33 Segment Two: Measuring Bass Traps
23:32 Intermission
25:30 Segment Three: Ceiling Cloud Demos
25:36 Demo: The Human Voice
26:30 Demo: Decay and Reverb
27:25 Demo: Ported Speaker
33:26 Demo: Open Baffle Speaker
39:27 Segment 4: Measuring The Clouds
43:02 Segment 5: DIY Bass Trap Bench Demos
43:08 Demo: The Human Voice
44:05 Demo: Decay and Reverb
44:55 Demo: Ported Speaker
50:56 Demo: Open Baffle Speaker
57:00 Segment 5: Measuring The Benches
58:40 Final Thoughts and Next Up?
Nice job Ron.
Insane how much the bass traps improve the sound
I thought I saw him putting the Rockwool in plastic bags in the benches. How does thick plastic allow the wool to absorb acoustic energy? Strange.
Another amazing entry into the series! I've been anxiously awaiting this one and it didn't disappoint, thank you so much for all the work that went into demonstrating these changes in a methodical way.
Wow that was a valiant effort. A huge undertaking and a well appreciated one at that. Great work Ron as always. I hope all your listeners had their head phones on. The progress was audibly obvious. I would bet another set of "bench type" absorbers placed directly above the benches in the top corners where the wall meets the ceiling would take things a even step further, maybe made in a long triangle fashion. I would bet they compliment the clouds.
Thank you kindly
Thank you for providing this video. It's easy to get caught up with too much absorption without measurement. Nice work on the shed!
Love this Ron... So awesome to see this type of work being done an empty room start to finish. Keep it up... I'm learning a ton!!!
Love this serie of videos!
I'm so glad room acoustics has become broadly accepted in the audiophile world. Should have happened ten years ago but change is slow.
I think it's been broadly accepted for a long time, just rarely implemented.
The realities of domestic life have a habit of getting in the way - even those among us who could afford the costs of materials to reasonably treat our listening spaces don’t always have the freedom dedicate them for that sole purpose - but yeah, this has been a fabulously well conceived and executed journey so far. Can’t wait for the subsequent chapters.
Such a cool video- can’t wait for the next!
This is great work Ron. Super helpful. Thanks!
NRD publishes ‘True Audiophile Test’: if you can get through this hour long video… you are one by definition.
Haha! So true!
Easy 😊
@@Newrecordday2013 It was a good video. I’ve been inspired to spend my listening $$$ on researching my listening room & obtaining treatments as appropriate. Already ordered a microphone.
Good work, thank you.
True that! To be honest, I think that all real audiophiles will cherish every word coming out of Rons Mouth on a important subject like this.
What a journey, thanks for sharing this!
Great Job!
It's getting there! Really looking forward to the next video and doing an A/B comparison between the more or less unfurnished room and the completely decked out room.
Excellent video!
Another really insightful video in this great series 👍😎
LOL just did the Jesco treatment over the last 4 weeks in my small listening room. Yes, it really works!
He’s the best!
Thank you so much for these videos. The change when you added the clouds and benches was pretty insane imho! I feel like I have learned a ton through the series so far.
Glad you like them!
Totally agree working on mine for @ very long time,hard hard work,❤Awesome work
Wow...As they say, POWER is nothing without CONTROL. Amazing how much better the girls voice was with the clouds fitted, this is the first time I've truly understood what SOUNDSTAGE is all about.
That’s great!
Perhaps truer than you intend with your comment. Familiar with the happening where you turn the stereo up because it sounds so good and you want to rock out more... and the sound turns to utter shitte..? Assuming proper gear etc. then that is the sound of the room overloading and the sound freaking out as a result. In a well treated room with excellent bass management you can turn it up considerably more without the room overloading and the sound turning shitte.
Sounds like a highly nuanced balancing act, with the holy grail of systems leading down the road to Nirvana (Preferable turned up to 11?) lol. The one thing I can't listen to is a bad system, it's tiring after an hour, and the three worst things for me are muddy bass missing mid's and tinny top end. Drives (No pun intended honest :) ) me round the bend. The guys have helped me understand so many things in such a complicated subject.
I know some people have trouble watching these kind of technical videos, but I find them fascinating :)@@bayard1332
Great series!
Ah man! Thanks so much!
Awesome mate I ve been watching and learning well doing these series of videos are very effective and telling keep going 😄
This is mind bending. Well done.
Hey thanks!
Nice video series. The decay times and spectrograms really tell the story. The Clarity tab in REW is also interesting to look at.
Thanks!
Thanks for the exhaustive testing and editing Ron ! From start to finish there is both an audible and measurable difference in room response. Looking forward to the next NRD 🔊🎶
You bet!
Excellent work, Sir! 👌
Thank you kindly!
Appreciate your hard work in putting together such a thorough presentation
So nice of you
the clouds are amazing... great sound bro
You should win some sort of award for this video…incredible stuff & so so so useful. ❤️
With the floor carpet and bass traps etc installed, it actually sounded like you'd fitted ceiling speakers. So weird how that disapeared with the clouds in place, every step proved a definite improvement building on the previous one. The full before and after will be jaw dropping.
Thank you! I agree!
With out the clouds it sounds like the hall setting on a surround receiver . lol
Thanks!
Welcome! Thank you!
Wow a banger of an episode… we can just absorb all the hard work that went into this
Thanks for such an amazing high quality series! Gives me some confidence and inspiration to send it with my home office, seeing how amazing the results are. And shout out acoustic insider, its cool to see the philosophy implemented
So glad!
that heavy metal with the benches are great stuff.... sounds good
👍This is great! The effort and results are much appreciated. Thanks!
You're very welcome! Thank you!
Well played sir
Well played 😉
I swept the time slide from beginning of video to the conclusion after watching your presentation. HUGE DIFFERENCE......HUGE !!!
Thanks!
Peak hifi audio channel, thank you :)
every bit you added improved the sound, one of that bassy rock songs you played really is a mess without absorption.
Thank you! Best acoustic sound demo ever. I am sure this will get a lot of people onboard with room sound treatment as you just cannot get the same SQ improvement by throwing money at the gear itself.
Jeezy, Something else to Nerd out about for my office/studio...Thanks Man...😊
Love that type of video respect
Really appreciate that! It was a lot of work!
After treatment, it's like trapping a Geanie in it's flask. The imaging is vastly improved after every step, Stage also felt real.
Do you mind sharing the songs used?
This was a huge effort on your part, Thank you.
I am always amazed how much bass absorption helps sibilance.
One thing, I think your major issue bass wise is at 27Hz, it shows up as a huge null in your graphs which means that there is a corresponding peak elsewhere in the room. If you took care of that (I know, good luck with that...), it should also take care of the null at 55Hz and probably help smooth out that 40Hz peak.
The control is amazing, especially with the open baffles.
Thank you! I agree!
Love the bench idea! Definitely going to build some of those.
Have fun!
@@Newrecordday2013 What fabric did you wrap the mineral wool in?
@Corndog642 I went to ace hardware and grabbed some painting plastic. I believe it was 4mil. But whatever you find is fine. Mine came in 50ft rolls and was 2ft by 4ft.
Thx for all the journey...Will be sweet to be able to review the PSI audio AVAA C20 or C214 once your room will be finished with passive treatment....
Thanks for this excellent series. I'm hoping that in the upcoming video(s) you will also include some discussion of the actual room furniture, that is, the seat or seats or couch where the listener(s) sit to experience the music. Obviously different seat materials will reflect and / or absorb sound differently, the size of the seats will have an effect, etc. We're getting further and further into the subtleties here, so perhaps some mention of the seating would not be amiss. Again, thanks!
I'm only mad because I can't binge watch this series... Thanks for putting this together in an orderly fashion. This info is right on time as this is the next major step for my home theatre.
That’s very kind! Thank you.
Thanks Ron! Maybe it's easier to get a dozen of cats or so for absorption.
It amazed me how much the reverb times were reduced high in the freq range when you installed the benches. Control the boomy bass and everything improves, I guess?
Bingo
The open baffle speakers sound better to me overall in both the treated and untreated rooms. Treatments make a huge diffference!!
Thank you!
thrilled to upgrade my own space
The boominess definitely goes away with the traps. The bass sounds much tighter and controlled.
The benches do help produce a bit cleaner overall, but I begin to see what they mean about EQ, you can do something about the peaks, but not the valleys. In other words, smoothing the signal involves dampening the signal as well. I’ve listened to three videos in a row, and I must get on to other things today, but you’ve definitely helped me. You’ve given me the courage to fire up REW again for the first (hopefully productive) time.
The bass traps allowed the natural or generated reverb in the recording to come through where untreated masked that.
And, holy crap, the ceiling clouds made a huge difference. Way more than I expected. Maybe the WAF will allow me to install those in my great room/listening room.
Wow one of the best videos ever!!!! A true demonstration of "your speakers are as good as your room". The difference with each change is outstanding and very noticeable. Would most room issues go away if we were to listen near field? Like speakers 1 foot away or less? Not practical in most cases however...
Yeah the Corner bass traps look quite snazzy I'm digging it. I would say you have it wider and deeper 6 in deep and two and a half feet across that looks about two feet yours. What frequencies do they work at?
Research into acoustic treatment has been found to tilt it's out near the top quite a way about 12 inches, measuring about 3 ft from the ceiling you'll get better response that way. Plus keep the backs open not boarded and lying on the wall with an inch of natural sheep's wool fleece, you can buy it in half inch thicknesses so double it up.
You might want to try this it works really well and it's simple to put up one thing you want to concentrate on is that corner behind the speakers between the ceiling and the wall and round it off, I did this with bamboo of different thicknesses and bought it over the ceiling 9 ft into the room. Start about two feet down from the ceiling curving it out 14 in at the Apex between the ceiling and the wall, and then meeting up with the ceiling pieces. The only way I could fasten the bamboo strips is with two side pieces cut in the shape of the arc and drilled out holes of different sizes for the bamboo, wrap these end pieces of the bamboo with insulation tape so it's a snug fit in the holes and a strip of thin 6mm thick by 18cm plywood in the middle taking it shape, former's i call it, and these can be screwed into the wall. just make sure there's a little bit of a gap 4cm, from the one side of the wall on one of them so you can slid the bamboo in and out, I did attach some sheep's wall fleece to the back wall but lying loose on the bamboo for the ceiling. Easy to attach it to the ceiling I just put some eye hooks in the ceiling and strung up some fishing line three one in the middle and two another side 19cm from the ceiling and used pieces of foam as spaces between the bamboo, you want to keep these spaces different sizes some of them are 12mm between and others are 9cm gap between each other just make sure it's uniformed, make sure the bamboo goes across not vertical in your sitting listening position. Looks very nice actually it's a good feature I varnished them as well with a egg shell varnish.
Interesting video. Binaural record is also helping. Regarding bass management of room modes, tuned absorption will probably do more than porous absorber.
Interesting video. Binaural record is also helping. Regarding bass management of room modes, tuned absorption will probably do more than porous absorber. It will be interesting to remove the rug…
God I hated the sound of those open baffle speakers... amazing video great demo! (Different strokes for different folks) Love your videos! AMAZING SKILLS! This is what people need to hear/watch/listen and lastly see...b/c we don't hear with our eyes? Or DO WE? BUM BAH BUMMMMMMMMM................................................................
Gotcha! At 26 something you change cap/hat and the reverb got lower! Got to try it with a Cowboy hat or a Mexican sombrero hat 😊
Cool video!
One possible improvement: When you show the audio examples with and without clouds, switch during the playtime several times. Scientifically proven we only have a really really short span to remember correctly when judging audio.
Superb patient, scientific, thorough analysis and resolution of acoustic issues! Completely expect you'd use the same segments of the same tracks each time, for the most accurate comparisons between changes. I'm afraid those songs are burned into my consciousness now though, for better or worse!
Those video series are FAR THE BEST ACOUSTIC TREATMENT VIDEO AVAILABLE in youtube rigt now! Please please also make a video about designing bass traps or diffusers tuned for a certain room with the same detail. Thank you.
I thought it was incredible the clarity you got with just the bass traps, then the clouds? WOW, just a massive and enjoyable difference. Excellent work, and this is very inspiring for my planned studio.
Is there a playlist for the reference music tracks so we can listen to them on our current monitoring setup?
Cat: Let's correct this mistake right meow.
wow, great demo ,please upload videos how you are doing this step by step like science demo ,measuring instrument, software used and with various rooms, like living room ,demo room, normal home room etc.
Thank you very much for your work. What have I learnt from it? First of all, a passion for a hobby. Furthermore, that it is definitely worth spending money on the right room acoustics before investing too much money in technology. 😊
Thanks Mike!
Great video to demonstrate the before and after room acoustic treatments. What is the instruction name for the bass traps you built?
Here you go: www.acousticsinsider.com/bbt
Nice. It might stick out too far, but fabric couches work well for first reflection points where your benches are.
I did something like Ron's bench traps, it not only works way better at bass management than a couch, but it's very broadband in it's actions, which is crucial, because if it's not then it distorts the resulting tone.
Great great work and video. Wish this was around when I started my padded room. Just a thought. Do you have a video where you decide speaker and listening position in the Soundshed? I have seen your earlier video of speaker placement (that’s why I started following you in the first place) and I have seen Acoustic Insider where he puts one speaker in the corner to find listening position. Did you use that method in the soundshed? Keep up the good work!
Can't wait to hear diffusion
Here you go. The Art of Acoustic Diffusion | Ultimate Guide for Audiophiles!
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Even with bass traps, Css speakers still somewhat boomy (Rock track with synth bass!). Must be the speaker!
You can't make that determination from a youtube video.
@@matt34003434So what's the whole point of the microphone head? For the record, the speakers that came after that were not boomy. Another wrong determination?
Masterfully done bro!
I really started to get too self absorbed watching this video. My head was in the clouds and everything just become diffused to me. I just have to escape these trappings
I see what you did there
Ron, after as careful listening as I could undertake with my cheapie Sennheiser HD440s, my take away from this session was a better understanding of your affection for the Sapphires. I’ve experimented with a few dipole ESL and DIY dynamic OBs over my 60yrs afflicted with this addiction, and this reinforces my opinion that for that general topology of speaker, room symmetry and appropriate acoustic treatments are essential. In other words, they’ve never worked for me because of the rooms available.
For those SPGEA (self proclaimed golden eared audiophiles) who assert that You Tube sound clips can’t tell you anything, your protocol should put that to rest. Of course while the carefully curated playlist and use of binaural dummy head mic clearly demonstrates the improvements at each step, they can’t reveal what any particular speaker will sound like in different rooms.
Nicely done, and I’m eager awaiting the next chapter.
Amen to that, sir.
what material is used in the voodooless bass traps?
Thanks for the video and attention to detail, Ron! Can you say if the different room treatment components impact box speakers more/less than open baffles?
My friend and I have sat on the couch with pillows held above our heads to simulate (kinda?) what ceiling panels in my room would do. It anchored the sound for sure. Now I just need to buy some Basoteck panels and get off my ass to do it.
Awesome video, thanks so much.. I'd love bass traps in the corners but I have a radiator in one corner, so I couldn't run a full length trap. Would running a 2/3's trap from the ceiling down on both sides be worth it do you think?
A big nice room like this is wonderful, yet a double edged sword.
It's physical size really gobbles up traditional treatment quantities for typical room sizes.
I really wish you included (with and without) base trap testing paired with room sound treatment too.
I’m not following you
@@Newrecordday2013 base trap testing with accustic panels in all the proper places; such as behind the speakers, at primy reflection points, rear wall etc..
@@SimplestUsernameIt seemed pretty clear to me that Ron stated this is only one chapter of the journey, and that front / side and rear wall are to follow. I think gotta bet the bass and RT 60 tamed - which certainly qualifies as room treatment - as much as practical before further fine tuning. Stay tuned.
The corner traps is very impressive and what I pretty much expected but the results with the benches blew my mind. Am I correct in thinking the side of the benches facing the room is covered with plywood?
Yes, very thin sheets. Like 1/4”
Thanks Ron for taking the effort to this great video. One question if you dont mind. May I know those 5 pieces cloud placing above those speakers or sitting position or evenly through out the listening room? Thank you.
Yes, correct. I have 6 of them in line spread out evenly on the sides of the shed. The other 2 are located above my head and one just behind me where the entrance of the shed is.
Ron love your channel get a beanie for your head better for wearing headphones 😉👍
what are the two speakers used in this video?
Hi, I notice that on your waterfall, the SPL scale is between ~45 and 105. For the Decay chart you used between ~30 and 85. What is the lower part of the scale to be used on this type of analysis? Is it based on the room noise floor? Thanks for your guidance.
Good question, for the decay, I probably should have changed my window setting a little higher, like 40-100. You nailed it already, anything below that - in the 30s or below is really just low level noise floor. Don’t focus a lot on that as you will notice it changes a lot… better to focus on what remains more consistent, which is totally 40db and higher.
But every step up to that one I thought really made a nice improvement. I also listened to the diffusion video and thought that was a nice improvement as well.
I’ll be honest, the biggest difference to me was between the speakers. The open baffle ones without bass traps sounded better than the ported ones with bass traps.
It's actually pretty neat, as using different kinds of speakers allows Ron to illustrate how room treatment will affect both kinds of speakers and how they both interact with the room. Then you can also add to that, a cabinet that is fairly resonant won't show as much improvement vs a well-braced box, or open-baffle speaker, as the speaker cabinet is still adding its own separate resonance or "bloom" to the sound, even after the room is accounted for.
@@hoth2112 Yeah, the whole thing is fantastic
Luckily we close our eyes while listening 🙈
Which songs were used here? Sorry if I missed a list somewhere
Am wondering what the demo tracks you are using are and where can they be found?
It doesn't make sense to have a rise of RT60 at 40Hz after installing more absorption. Have you checked that the panels in front of the benches don't resonate? Can you remove them and measure again?
I think there might be a mix-up in how I worded that section. The frequency response showed the 40Hz peak as slightly higher after the benches. When examining my RT60 times, they are pretty much neck and neck. I did try turning the benches around so the plywood was facing the wall, but it didn't make a difference. I appreciate your input! Good catch!