Why Are Submarines So Hard To Find ?
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- In today’s episode, we are going to discuss why are submarines so hard to find? Dubbed as the “Silent Service,” submarines are considered the most survivable weapons-delivery platform. Submarine detection and monitoring was traditionally the exclusive domain of highly classified military units specializing in naval anti-submarine warfare (ASW). Military ASW employs technologies such as magnetic anomaly detectors (MAD), which detect tiny disturbances to Earth’s magnetic field caused by metallic submarine hulls, passive and active sonar sensors that use sound propagation to detect objects underwater, as well as radar and high-resolution satellite imagery to detect surfaced submarines. Recent advances in commercial tools and technologies now give open-source researchers some ability to monitor submarine fleets. With commercial satellite imagery, synthetic aperture radar (SAR), hydro-acoustic sensors, and even social media analysis, open-source researchers can better understand the size and composition of countries’ submarine fleets, monitor the construction of submarines and submarine bases, and potentially learn about patrol patterns and behaviors.
A submarine can be detected by a number of different sensors and methods. Let’s check some of them:
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A cargo ship can be hard to locate in the open ocean. I can’t imagine trying to find something that doesn’t want to be found.
Not as hard to find as my keys when I’m already late for work
Right.
Gold
Get an AirTag life changer
Or forgotten facemask in the car
Lol 😆
The answers start at 8:26.....you're welcome..
Thanks
My neighbor flew on P-3's out of Alaska in the 1980's and according to him there are several ways to detect subs. Though he did say it was often harder to detect the diesel subs the USSR had.
Yes because they run on battery power when submerged rather than a relatively noisy nuclear reactor
@@robertlindsay6671 you right, the nuke sub has the reactor and stream turbine which more noise than diesel electric sub.
Some info here is not correct. Submarines are indeed hard to detect, particularly diesel electric subs with AIP but the main reason is because the area to search is large and the submarine is relatively small. A submarine won't always know that ASW is looking for it. Certain detection methods like, fixed submerged magnetic and passive sonar detectors, air towed magnetic detectors and passive sonars and passive sonar buoys aren't detectable by submarines. Other submarines are also effectively fixed submerged detectors when they camp in locations in silent mode.
The main reason ASW is becoming more effective today is because of the advancements in using air assets to conduct ASW. Because airplanes can travel so fast and cover so much ground even large areas can be cordoned off and searched quickly today. Initially people used ASW helicopters but these could only fly at 300km/hour and fly for a few hours at a time. Then people switched to fixed winged aircraft that can fly much faster at 600-700 km/hour also for a few hours at a time. Now they have UAVs that can fly at 600-700km/hour for over 30 hours at a time. In addition to towed detectors these planes can be equipment with many detection buoys. They can drop many dozens of them in a few hours to cover a very large area.
Because of how cheaply and numerously UAVs can be deployed even active sonar is becoming an viable option for detecting submarines. This is kind of a trump card because active sonar can detect a submarine no matter how silent it is. The draw backs of course are that the detection range is only around 5km and the submarine will hear it from maybe as far as 50k away. However a submarine cannot out run a UAV. A submarine can only go up to around 40-50 km per hour and to run silent it needs to go at more like 20-25km per hour a UAV will be flying at around 20 times that speed. If a submarine gets boxed into an area by enough UAVs and buoys, it is pretty much dead meat. We are not far from the days when hundreds of UAVs can be deployed and thousands of buoys dropped to completely deny submarine operations in very large areas at a time.
Some of the info here is correct, but your numbers are off for both helicopters and subs. Also, UAVs aren’t a viable option for ASW yet. They lack the payload needed for tracking with sonobuoys, and Can’t dip.
It’s also worth noting that MAD was a legacy system and we miss it dearly.
@@sbcbaits994 I may have overstated the speeds a bit because I'm not sure how much an ASW load out would slow those platforms down. However my points are still valid because air assets are still much faster than boats and fixed wing aircraft much faster than helicopters. UAV aren't doing ASW yet but they are a very promising direction for future ASW. Swapping out a land attack payload for a sonar buoy payload and taking on a low altitude flight profile shouldn't be that difficult. The trump factor with UAVs is their large numbers and low cost.
@@georgesiew2758 - A torpedo would be needed to destroy a submarine and this exceeds the payload capacity of almost all UAVs I am aware of and would certainly reduce the endurance of the UAV. Are UAVs much faster then helicopters? I can see UUVs being more effective in denying an area to a submarine, but there's lots of development still to be done.
@@jamesgunn5103 The UAVs are there just for detection you can tell nearby boats to come and deliver the torpedo. A sub is not gonna outrun a bunch of boats that knows where it is. Also Subs will have minimal awareness about any UAV nets being deployed around them. They are blind to all passive detection and aircraft. Furthermore they have no access to outside communications while diving.
@@georgesiew2758 I am unconvinced - I am not up to date on all the numbers I would like to know (detection ranges, endurances, speeds, no of sonobuoys per drone, etc). From what I read, drones are not much faster than helicopters, they are cost nearly as much and even active sonobuoys aren’t capable of huge detection ranges. Submarines are also designed not to be detected by active sonar. Water conditions can also enable a submarine to avoid detection. Lightweight torpedoes really need to be dropped on top to detect and catch a nuclear submarine. Heavyweight torpedoes aren’t really air-droppable. So how many ships do you need and can they get close enough without being counter detected ? Don’t forget that a submarine is always moving, so if a position is an hour old you are now searching in an area several miles across. Using active sonar alerts the submarine to the threat and loses you the advantage of surprise that you emphasise above. A UAV strategy may be effective in shallow or confined waters or a small area, but in open ocean, I don’t think the numbers work yet. Perhaps ASW UAVs time will come one day....
China knows how hard subs are to find, they lost a Ming class sub 361 in April 2003 for 10 days. Chinese fishermen found the periscope floating just above the surface and alerted authorities. They discovered all 70 officers and seamen dead at their stations. Asphyxiated when the sub dived but someone forgot to turn off the Diesel engines, using up all the oxygen?
Suffocation or CO intoxication?
@@letoubib21 ... I’d have to guess CO intoxication because they remained at their stations rather then bunched up at the hatches?
@@letoubib21 there was a malfunction with the snorkel system and the Diesel engines sucked all of the oxygen from the sub. This can happen fast.
@@FazdArayTrkRdrtoInterceptOnTgt Yeah, thanks, But a CO-intoxication would have been a much smoother death *. . .*
China is an aggressor so every bad news to their country is a good news for the whole world.
Because they are underwater, that’s why.
Very informative. Thanks. At least I know how it works when I buy one tomorrow 😁
To the point that even undersea mountains couldn't evade them!
🤣🤣🤣™️
You mean undersea mountains have to move aside when US submarines are passing? You are saying US or its submarines have no respect for nature.
Evade ?, submarine are basically "hugging" undersea mountain to hide from sonar especially the one that rarely surface like nuclear submarine. The risk are much smaller, lcompared to flying a copycat fighther jet. 😁
Could be worse - like being on a Ming class diesel sub that Chinese fishermen found with all 70 of the crew dead in 2003? The “submarine 361 was a major loss for the People’s Navy. We express our deep condolences to all officers and soldiers of the submarine who were unfortunately killed in the execution of training tasks, and sincere condolences to the relatives of the killed officers and soldiers.” Apparently the Diesel engine didn’t shut off during a dive, using up all the oxygen and suffocating the crew???
That’s one of the reasons they collide with each other or to the mountain under water and sink ....
"coz water is heavy"
The end.
Ha Ha Ha Ha , I know what you mean . This video sounds like an elementary school joke book . Why are subs so hard to find ? Because they're underwater stupid and you can't see them . Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha .
@@johnh1001 Actually, they don't use a camera to find a submarine. They use sonar. The quieter a submarine is, the harder it is to find (Except if you turn on Active sonar and that submarine doesn't have anechoic coating then it would be easy to find or that submarine is cavitating).
We only think it is hard to detect subs, but with the technology we have today, it is actually hard to hide a sub!
Any submarine built with non-magnetic steel (German Type 212) is going to be harder to detect. Even MAD gear (metal detector for submarines) is going to be useless.
Awesome video
1. a few people and few traffic up there.
2. very few people to search for the submarine.
3. very very few equipment and platform for the few people in the 2)
in high traffic area as shallow water fishing area is very hard for sub to hide.
China: Write this down! Write this down!
If the way of easily detecting a submarine already found, submarine will be obsolete, just how like battleships or dreadnoughts back then got obsolete to aircraft carriers (the sink of IJN Musashi and IJN Yamato)
This is definitely a real head scratcher. Maybe because they're usually under hundreds of feet of water, don't need to surface while on patrol and make virtually no detectable noise? Just a wild guess.
Try as I might, I can’t hold my breath long enough. That’s why!
Because they are designed that way - 🧐
can you detect subs using ECM?
in the 1973 Mideast war, the Soviets dispatched their entire Black sea fleet to reinforce their embattled ally Egypt. And subsequently, squared off against the US 6th fleet supporting Israel off Suez. When suddenly, the US quickly withdrew it's capital ships all the way back to Norfolk. All because US Intel had 1 Soviet submarine unaccounted for. Not knowing where it was [if anywhere] the US had no choice but to assume it was there on station stalking the super carriers. Note: If a US super carrier was ever lost with it's air wing and thousands of irreplaceable highly trained personnel, the national catastrophe and loss would be so overwhelming, the tragedy of 9/11 would likely never be mentioned twice again.
Meaning super carriers aren't that super after all
There is no link in the description
Oceans are big, submarines are small
I'll guess the answer, before watching the video.. Because they are underwater and the oceans are very large?
Hydro-Oceanographic Vessel can detect even the most ultra-quiet submarine and display it on synthetic 3D aperture models on screen. Plot the bearing and course of the detected submarine then send it to MPA's or other ASW platforms. Job done.
How many of those ships do you think there are in the world? Would they enter denied territory? Do they have the ability to effectively communicate with those other platforms…those answers are no.
Submarine can travel underwater, undetected...they can even hit and damage mountains under SouthChinaSea yet remain unscathed. Powerful weapon.
This all depends on the submarine some can be heard as soon as they leave port.
Submarines in WWII had the highest loss rate of naval forces for both the Germans and the US. Subs do so much damage that the enemy's highest priority becomes, sink subs.
I lost mine years ago . Still missing
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I was in the US Navy (aircraft carrier) and more than once I saw a submarine pop it's intenna out. I did not ever see it surface
The ocean line is now very crowded including for submarines. Take another 20 years ahead. The underwater will be as crowded as the airspace
ask willy the whale. the dude knows how .
One needs to read up on heat signature of Nuclear Submarines under water
Hint: they go underwater…🤫
Is that a serious question?
Well, being under water a lot might have something to do wirh it.. . .
With new science, piece.of cake.. using a thre satellites line of site scanning for free radicals disruption. (BINGO)
Using a trident II missile to sink an overhead ship. I'd call that overkill.
Overkill and suicide!
Only on a rainy day. Just wait until the clouds clear
Amusing says the Submariner.
TLDW: The ocean is big haha
Ummm??? small boats, LARGE Oceans
Short answer: bc ocean big
the oceans are big
Cause they’re under the f…..n water !!!!
I have a Question guys.
If Scorpene submarine face againts the Kilo class in battle who do you think will win. And Who do you think is the most Stealthy please explain😊🙏.
Kilo imp. Normal Kilo class are not being produced anymore but, I think the Kilo would win. They can carry some different types of Torpedoes including UGST, Fizik or Futlyar. Or, some old Cold War torpedoes like USET-80, Test-71, etc. They also have gone more testing than the Scorpene class (I think).
The best crew wins, generally.
@@destinilund4771 Yeah. Since, I think the Russians have more training and better one since the Soviet Union. Some sailors form the Soviet Union might have ranked up and became a Captain of the boat in the Modern Russia. And I don't think the French have that much experience on training for submarines (I mean like underwater warfare training that is as good as Russia).
diesel boats win all the time
8:34 so ... Why are the methods so hard to detect?
Didn't you want to ask "why submarines are so hard to detect"?
Because they're deep under water, you need metal detector 😂😂😳
Just spitballin' here and I haven't watched the video, but I am guessing it's because they're under water?
So, how hard was that?
nuke subs make a hell of a lot of noise, diesel boats do not
Have you looked under the sea? I saw an article saying that's where the Chinese hide theirs.
Coz Oceans are big.
Great video .... really hope the other sides do not watch
I’ve found a lot
Because the ocean is big
They hard to find because they are in the clouds.
There's a school of thought that submarines are the weapons of the past. I agree. But it's not because they will be eventually destroyed by swarms of of small, smart and and fast UUVs. It's really because everything on the surface of water will be easily destroyed by land or air based hypersonic missiles. So their use remains only as a platform for cruise and ballistic missiles, for which purpose airplanes would be much cheaper and faster.
No. That school of thought is wrong.
Plains are too obvious, have range limitation, can't cary as much ordinance, etc.
They are not weapons of the past. They are relevant as ever.
Cus wait for it.. they’re under water 🤦🏽♂️
Easy answer: big ocean, big tech, big history
Maybe they are not hard to find and the way they are found is classified.
... because you are screaming at them in the title. You scared them away.
Because there underwater... Sure that was whole idea for them
'Why Are Submarines So Hard To Find ?"
Ummm... because they're under water?
Is this a trick question?
Because there under water. Is it Rocket Science?
Because they're under the water.
Iceberg is easier to find.
Not hard to find at all! Start looking for the quietest spot in the oceans and bingo!!!! There’s one!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There is a new one just develop by AI
No need to watch i got you:
They are under water.
Because the ocean is really really big. 🤣
That's what they built for 😆
Because they are underwater
Cuz they're under water
now this time another show of farruqi have been shut after goa and gujarat as like..followin security was the main reason to cancelled their show and chaos as well
Not harder to find than the airline MH370!
Cause they’re underwater.
First !
Cause they are underwater
Why are subs hard to find? Wow, good question.
Could it be because they are UNDER WATER????
What a dumb question.
Spoiler alert: they travel underwater
Having this argument - can hunter subs hear when a 'boomer' is about to launch its missiles? I read that getting ready for a missile launch is a very noisy affair.
@@profribasmat217 That's the role of hunter subs - to stalk. Just opening missile hatches gives you away - the inrushing water would be quite loud. Don't know how far that sound would travel, but it can alert a stalker to a missile launch.
If the boomer intends to launch….it’s already too late for the hunters if the boomers launch hatches are open…sure the hunter may kill the boomer but the ICBM’s will already be on their way.
@@dirtdevil70 Yes, to catch the boomer before all missiles are launched. I wouldn't want to be on that sub as it's doing so as its position is compromised. Dying in a sinking sub comes in three ways at the same time - compression of air to super hot, drowning and collapse of the submarine onto you. Oh yeah... torpedo, nuke or depth charge as well.
@@profribasmat217 Two issues here - can that sub launch all those missiles in time? And, if you have compromised your position, what happens to YOU ??
@@pruephillip1338 Water doesn't rush into the missile tube when the hatch is opened. The tubes are sealed but a well trained sonar operator can distinguish the sound of a missile hatch opening.
duh?
Because they're not wearing their moo cow bell
It’s because they’re underwater duh lol
Cuz they under water bro. Only us murricans can come up with such a title hahahah
Because their in the ocean, duh!!!!
Because they were supposed to hard to find, duh!
Because you cannot look under the sea when it is go inside the water.After that,the submarine dissapeared,you are not know where is it,you are not seeing this anymore.
Because they don't fly.
Same głupoty na tym kanale...
They want to hide! Duh 🙄. It’s unfortunate that we have remained so God-less that we have to play all of these silly ass games!!
war by orgest meta
Hard to find unless they are Chinese.
News Flash ! - Submarines are not hard to find ! Tracking them day in and day out takes a supreme amount of energy and resources ! Short of attaching a GPS device on a submarine you would have to deploy helicopters , planes and boats 24-7 to follow one sub !
Because they are underwater