New Sega Saturn Games for 2023 and How They Are Made
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Links to everything mentioned in the video can be found in the video description. This video was originally only intended for my Chinese channel, as there isn't much about Saturn homebrew in that language (and you can still spot a place in the video where I forgot to change the language to English!). However, since I had already gone to the effort of editing the video I thought it would be worth doing an English narrated version too. Hopefully it'll inspire some people to get into Saturn dev!
Anyway, that really is my last video until late October. Enjoy the rest of the summer and I'll see you all then!
Take care Pigsy, till the next time!
Thanks! See you all then@@simonvannarath
Thanks, I pray hackers will jump to the saturn. Hopefully, 5th gen consoles especially the ps1 and more n64 hacks.
If I could.make it
I'd make a Saturn Era engine
I love pixels and 2d
Awesome imagine VF vs Fight 4 Life in Saturn 😆
It’s nice to see the Sega Saturn getting some love too from talented people from our community including you too and can’t wait to see more from some of theses games 👍 great video
Hopefully more hackers will move toward the sega saturn and dreamcast.
They actually have a homebrew competition every year for this kind of stuff
Yeah it’s mentioned in the video
When I see Unreal or even Shenmue running on the Saturn - I get floored.
I can’t imagine the fresh hell it was getting them going, but with the right talent, it speaks to just how powerful the hardware was respectively.
Doing 3D on the Saturn does sound hellish, but I think the difficult challenge it presents is what attracts many of the devs to the console!
Unreal on the Saturn?! When was this?
@@Charlie-eq3djDidn’t you watch the video?! Lol
@@Charlie-eq3dj 3:33
But it was actually supposed to be on Saturn like VF3
Thank you for the video showcase on the community's 3D efforts. I'd like to invite everyone interested in trying out their own Saturn homebrew to compete in this year's annual game competition hosted on the Sega Xtreme forums and my website. I'll link the previous year's results in a reply. There are cash and physical prizes for ranking projects and multiple categories to compete in.
You're most welcome! Thanks for all your efforts, it's great to see Saturn dev in such great shape. I hope some viewers will get involved in homebrew dev as a result of watching.
Excuse me but is there a Linux version of the engine?
@@Psx806 It's all just C libraries, if you can translate the boilerplate batch files to do what you want it should work. I would ask on Sega Xtreme about Linux environments.
Amazing achievements! Long Live Sega Saturn!
couple of them remind me of ninpen manmaru which i just started playing and shows off the Saturn really well, the infinte planes really add to the feeling of presence.
Yeah, that Zygo 3D game especially is very similar
@@PigsysRetroGameDevTutorials even the sonic game did too. Honestly that doesn't feel very sonic to me though, too slow. I think i'd be better to have the camera locked behind sonic and have him running forwards the whole time while navigating obstacles like sonic adventure, you could unload the geometry as it passes off screen to give more draw distance infront and since the camera is locked you don't have to worry about the player turning around.
The second level of Ninpen is more like crash bandicoot and it works really well also, a 3d sonic game on the saturn could totally have benefitted from the interaction between vdp1+2 if sega had gone there, instead we got sonic racing lmfao.
That unreal port absolutely blew me away. It's so great to see new life being breathed into this criminally underrated console.
The Sega Saturn was always underrated.
No it's not. It's exactly where it should be, in shadow of the competition and forgotten. Saturn owners where abandoned by Sega in 1998, with only bunch of lazy arcade ports that where just not good enough.
@@SShambler sorry but I have to disagree with you had some really good titles on it
@@H2Oredfirefoxso does every console bro
@@jimmicrackhead12 for a second there I thought there was a fly on my screen
Not underrated, the word is obliterated. The competition was extremely good and agressive, in a perfect world without Sony, I bet the Sega Saturn would do really good against the N64.
Nice homebrews and Bulk Slash is AMAZING!
Jo engine is pretty cool. I made an astroids clone with it once with rotating sprites, sfx and some cd music and it was rather easy to use and a fun experience. The most diffucult part was setting everything up
on a vm and not trippin' over the typos in SEGAs documentation.
Awesome video, I love seeing what people are doing with the Saturn as someone who’s currently building an engine for Dreamcast, Vita, and PC
Wouldn’t it save a lot of time, energy and work if retro console developers worked on giving Godot support for legacy hardware? Or they could work together on a brand new cross platform engine. Would it be possible to make a 2D one that supported consoles as different as 16 bit and the generation above it? Not sure if these are dumb ideas.
@@protocetidHardware back then was very different in function and capabilities from one machine to other, crossporting is possible but far from ideal, and modern engines are too big and work on too different principles.
@@shiva_MMIV Would it be far from ideal because the custom engines developers built for each game/series were tailor made to squeeze as much performance as possible out of a particular console? Think I read that before and forgot. Even a custom retro engine with support from PS1 and N64 and up to modern consoles would be out of the question right? What I envisioned was a retro engine that would make it much easier to create and port retro console games to present day platforms, developers would not have to rely solely on a small group of owners of a discontinued console as a source of revenue. Gamers playing a new game ported from an old console to the newest machines would be saved from buying an emulated copy.
What-If Sonic Mania + in SEGA Saturn
Metal Gear in SEGA Saturn
Resident Evil 2 in SEGA Saturn ✔
Resident Evil 3 in SEGA Saturn
Streets of Rage 4 in SEGA Saturn and SEGA Dreamcast
Sonic Fighters in SEGA Saturn
Rayman 2 in SEGA Saturn
So many possibilites!
@@PigsysRetroGameDevTutorials Getting Sonic Mania running on the Saturn would feel like changing history. Sonic Mania comes across as the mid-90s Sonic sequel that we never actually received, so putting it on real hardware would feel like a window into another dimension when the console didn't fail.
What a pity that RE2 and Tomb Raider 2 aren't going to be full games. Here's me hoping that changes in the future!
Excellent video, as ALWAYS!
Can't you just play them on something and likely a better experience??
@@300bhpton
If you think that, then you're missing the point and probably watching the wrong video...
I really like the lack of texture wobble on the Saturn but the Playstation had superior lighting effects. Many of these lack the dark moody atmosphere the PSone could achieve.
But there is texture wobble, just look at 9:15 in Tomb Rider.
Also, Bulk Slash is the most impressive localization I've ever seen. Amazing that they found not one nor two but _seven_ voice actresses willing to work in/for such a small niche market, too.
Yeah, that localisation was an amazing effort!
A lot of VAs want to get into the industry so they were all very willing to do this project. They all loved working with us
@@chanhjohnnguyen1867 Congratulations on a fantastic job!
@@chanhjohnnguyen1867 Let me know if you need a male va for any role.
using the 4M Cartridge like Action replay should be not a stopper. it is basically a must have for the system
Thank you so much for the shout out at the end of your video. It means the world to us! 😊
excelente video Pigsy! un abrazo grande :)
Thanks!
Thanks so much for this roundup of Saturn homebrew/inde development.
I hadn't heard of JRTombRaider's work porting Tomb Raider 2 content to the Saturn Tomb Raider 1 engine until your video, so thanks very much!
I LOVE YOU for making this video!! the history and commentary adds so much❤ THANK YOU
Absolutely love seeing the Saturn finally getting some homebrew love. Really great projects with some huge advances being made every year. Thanks for showing these.
Great job with the video. It's always cool to see a homebrew/indie scene start up for old systems.
Personally though I'm still more interested in Genesis stuff, and would also love to see Sega CD get supported in SGDK.
Best of luck working on SotN!
Hopefully more Mega CD support will come in the future!
@@PigsysRetroGameDevTutorialsdefinitely need a mortal arcade edition for the sega cd. Even a mortal kombat 2 hack for the saturn and ps1.
I want to see 32X, I’ve seen astonishing tech demos for it
@@protocetid Yeah 32x support would be awesome as well. There was a ton of untapped potential with that system. Not surprising considering how challenging it was to develop for, the lack of strong documentation, and it's short lifespan (which meant most developers only got to release one game for it). There are already homebrew/indie devs showing the hardware was much more capable than the commercial games would indicate, but it'd be great if it were integrated into SGDK so that even more developers could work on it.
@@GreyMatterShades "Sega does what Nintendon't!" Except for providing adequate documentation lol, that mistake also helped doom the Saturn. Scott Bayless, a SoA employee, had this to say about the add on. "Games in the queue were effectively jammed into a box as fast as possible, which meant massive cutting of corners in every conceivable way. Even from the outset, designs of those games were deliberately conservative because of the time crunch. By the time they shipped they were even more conservative; they did nothing to show off what the hardware was capable of."
Does anybody else notice how Saturn graphics are FAR more solid than PSX graphics thanks to its perspective corrected quads? It just needed texture filtering to be perfect
Only problem is the system lack of SDK and resource support during its lifespand.
What people also need to realize is that these fan projects have some of the best graphics on the Saturn.
i notice that the frame rate is way more stable. I just played TR 1 on the Saturn until i reached the Second location.
it really hurts the experience doing jumps with 15 fps
I suspect you didn´t notice Tomb Rider´s texture wobbling at 9:15
Tomb Raider 2 looks amazing on the Saturn. I hope the game gets completed.
Great video, always good to see the fantastic work being done by the Sega Saturn homebrew community being celebrated. Also Thank you for recommending my channel 👍
Excellent video! Thanks for spreading the news.
I miss Sega Saturn , it took me two paper routes to buy it in 1994 lol
This is fantastic so awesome to see passionate people continue to work on the Saturn
Now we need new Dreamcast games released in 2023 while we're at it.
I always wanted to see Metal Gear Solid, Tenchu Stealth Assassins, and FF7 attempted on the saturn. So much so, that i would throw money at the projects.
I'd also love to see some type of shenmue build running on it.
I was just looking at Metal Gear Solid today. A lot of areas in the game have these large flat floors/ceilings which could probably be done on VDP2, VDP1 would then be left to just draw the walls and characters. I think that game could fit the Saturn's strengths quite well. Hopefully someone will give it a try someday
yep. me too for ff7 for sega saturn still, star gladiator for sega saturn, dynasty warriors 1 for sega saturn, and legacy of kain blood omen for sega saturn.
Thanks a lot! this video is a very nice introduction to the current state of the Saturn homebrew scene
Oh and if you REALLY wanted to take advantage of the RAM cart... toss in VCD card support as well. Stream compressed frames to the VCD in realtime, so the backgrounds can be animated. Doesn't have to be extremely high framerate, whatever you can stuff into RAM at the time. Some scenes could get more animation, but less camera angles, and vice versa. If you can feed the decoded image back to VDP2 you could potentially still pan and zoom.
Fantastic video, as usual. It's nice to see the Saturn community get some more exposure.
Also: it's a bummer that the Resident Evil 2 demo isn't available for download.
I enjoy these new games being made on older hardware like the Saturn and N64.
I really feel like Sonic on the SEGA Saturn should have gone down the chase camera racing game route, rather than try and figure out how to make 3d platforming work. Deep down, it's a racing game that happens to have obstacles. If they had taken the basic idea of Sonic R, ripped out the Mario Kart theme, made it a long straight course instead of a circuit, and added some danger and mayhem, they could have had one of the earliest 'infinite runner' style games that people get hooked on
Cool video 😎
Saturn scene looks healthy
Surprisingly so. I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with in the future.
Wow, that is some of the best lighting effects I ever seen in a Saturn.
Great news for the Saturn! Who knows, we might not see a CAPCOM VS MARVEL showing the potential of CP2 once again converted into the Saturn. I would also really like someone to create an Engine to develop games on the Neo geo CD, so we could port all the games that came out on the MVS to the console.
I could only dream of having Marvel VS Capcom on Saturn
All the other fighters were amazing on it - MvC was the absolute best!
Marvel VS Capcom was ordered by Sega of America's 90s staff to NOT be made for the Sega Saturn because they knew it would be Sega Saturn perfect like the previous two games and they wanted to force people in North America to buy the Dreamcast instead of Sega Saturn because it was 90s Sega of America who killed the Sega Saturn... so it is pretty obvious that the game would have been arcade perfect or better and superior to the Dreamcast version.
As for Neo Geo CD... plenty of SNK NeoGeo MVS/AES fan devs exist... they will not do all that work because they are not getting paid for it... the difference with Sega fan devs is that a lot of this work started since the 2000s and only now are we seeing some basic tech demos but no professional grade Sega MegaDrive or Sega Saturn or even Dreamcast games exist other than Watermelon Games and one or two others who did original games that can be compared to efforts from the pros in the 90s.
@@apollosungod2819 Do you have proof of SOA killing a MvC port for the Saturn? No one from Capcom has ever mentioned any plans for that.
The unreal port looks cool
Cool to see TR2 and RE2 on the Saturn! Did you see the Open Laura port to the 32X that was being developed by Xproger?
That Mazda 323 was very well done! Would LOVE to see Gran Turismo ported to the Saturn.
It's kinda cool to see what can be done on the Saturn 25 years after SEGA discontinued the release of new games outside of Japan (I think the last commercial game on the Saturn in Japan was after the Dreamcast). It would be nice if a small handful of licenced games were released, like how the PlayStation has games released from companies like Square Enix that can be purchased to this day.
I would at least assume that the RE2 tech demo (and probably a whole lot of other ones too) on Saturn could be updated to support the official 1M/4M RAM cartridges or at least the Action Replay 4M Plus cartridge.
Just imagine what could have been done if the Saturn had a different trajectory in the market. That RE2 showcase, on that original engine, is an absolute marvel! I still consider the Saturn and the Dreamcast as the 2 most underrated consoles of all time, specifically for this reason. We got glimpses of what was capable on these systems (Panzer Dragoon, Burning Rangers, on the Saturn, Shenmue, Sonic Adventure 2, Nomad Soul, on the DC), but never really got enough titles that pushed the systems to their full capabilities (and doing it in a concise and consistent manner. Because, for example, Burning Rangers had some nasty framedrops at times). I adore these consoles so much, and I'm so glad that people are kind of keeping them relevant one way or another!
The Jo engine was so easy to grasp but I don't have enough experience to make much more besides simple things from the code samples. I hope that more game code samples and tutorials get made for it. Really great way to learn programming from almost no experience.
Yeah actually applying all the SDK tools to make anything resembling a game is the real challenge. Many problems to solve there.
Seeing the Saturn get some homebrew love warms the soul. Kick....ass!
How they are made. Good stuff! Please more!
Done some Mods but never a full game. I am Hooked! Thank you Sir!
9:15 Yes that flourish ledge grab was always in the game, and quite honestly for anyone who played it knows it's the only way to pull yourself up; made me smile when I seen it done in this clip.
These games look incredible!!😮😃👍
Loved my Saturn. Always felt it was underrated
Yes but RE2 doesn't seem very demanding in terms of polygonal load... Wouldn't one SH2 be sufficient for that, and dedicate the second one to decoding compressed images? It doesn't much matter for homebrew, I guess. Especially if you're not releasing RE2 primarily as a technical showcase, but rather demonstrating an engine for homebrew games (doesn't even have to be horror genre, could be exploration/puzzle games that use a lot of 2D backgrounds for various angle shots with polygonal characters).
Oh, with homebrew games in mind one thing you could improve over this straight RE2 style engine (especially if you're using the RAM cart) would be adding support for high-res mode and realtime panning and zooming of higher resolution images. Zooming and panning higher-res images would actually eliminate the need for quite so many shots as well... so background RAM usage wouldn't necessarily skyrocket by a factor of 4, so the 4MB RAM card could probably get the job done.
Actually... even without the RAM cart, there are a lot of times where using a single higher-pixel-count image (taller or wider or both) and panning while running at standard res could be more efficient vs using multiple images, both in terms of appearance and RAM usage. It's a different approach though, so not necessarily applicable to RE2, as it subtly changes the game.
Saturn lives!
Sad to hear TR 2 won’t be a full project
I think the best kind of game to make to the Sega Saturn are Fighting games to take advantage of the 6 Face Buttons on the Controller (A, B, C, X, Y, Z) and the 2 Trigger buttons (L, R) for a total of 8 Buttons for Fighting and Combos and have Start as the menu button and the Dpad for walking
Good on mentioning pandamonium saturn channel. That is truly the greatest thing going on on youtube anyway
yes!
Yes indeed, haha!
MIND = BLOWN
awesome video thanks
Happy to highlight the great work you guys are doing. I wanted to include your game, but I couldn't find it when making the video (I was searching for "pony saturn game" but nothing came up). I'll probably do another updated video sometime next year too, so could include it then. Keep up the good work!
@@PigsysRetroGameDevTutorials don't worry, it didn't show up because that's not the title and the titled game Slide Hop is very early days. working well towards SAGE and Jan 1st though
Great, looking forward to seeing updates on the project!@@smokeydops
Hope people take inspiration from some of the most amazing games on Saturn like Gungriffon and Wing Arms. We def need some more.
Saludos desde Michoacan de Ocampo México
Thanks, I hope things are all good over there!
@@PigsysRetroGameDevTutorials viva 🙌 sega siempre
The games looks great. They look like they all could become finished official saturn titles.
This is so awesome. Is there a Voxels editor for these engines. Because I would like to make a Crysis style demo game for Saturn.
Im new to the channel. Great content , New Sub 👍
I would like to see Diablo and it's Hellfire expansion be put on Saturn someday. :3
very interesting video, thanks
9:17 They did have that handstand flip in the PlayStation version of the first Tomb Raider. But not on the Saturn port. I never understood why it wasn't on both.
The Saturn game was the original, it wasn't a port. The Saturn was the lead development platform for Tomb Raider. You're right about the handstand not being in there though, strange.
Someone should port the ps1 version of sotn to Saturn
I believe there are at least 2 people who have been hacking the Saturn version to make it better, so it's not too far off the PS1 version now
@@PigsysRetroGameDevTutorials- I'd say its arguably better now
@@PigsysRetroGameDevTutorials nice, that would be even better
Nice avatar, was about to make the joke that Pigsy talking about the Saturn meant he would do a SoTN port when the system already has one. Didn't know the PS1 version had enough advantages for someone to actually do it, haven't played the game myself, I'm following Pigsy's port because it's really neat.
I saw a video of that translated game near the end sometime ago. It was nice of them to translate it, but I wish they had just stuck to the text, given that they weren't able to get real VAs.
Would be cool if Sega acknowledged someone like the guy who made the Sonic Homebrew game and like paid him for and put the game on a Saturn mini if they ever made one.
Very cool
谢谢你做的介绍
Really curious to see what Dave Filoni has planned for Sonic Y-Treme
Very cool.
Great and interesting video, Pigsy man.
Saturn was the system I never touched it and never saw anyone playing also, back in the day. Seeing how the homebrew and hacking scene it's working on it really makes me happy!
Now we need to train Ai to make the best retro games ever.
How about no, we need to employ people not machines.
@@ironhell813 people cost money 😆
Cool which homebew has truly maxed out the power of the Saturn?
God bless.
I wish for tekken 1, tekken 2, tekken 3, and soul blade comes to sega saturn With gameshark codes.
Awesome.
lmao never thought i would see gm_construct on the sega Saturn
coding for this hardware separates the chaff from the wheat.
first person sonic on the saturn mad lads
Pregunta🤔 Quiero hacer una especie de Soleil para sega saturd *estilo Zelda 64* pero no comprendo el sistema de polígonos.
People are amazing ❤
I'd love to see a highly detailed 2d sonic
This is wonderful i really is we had gotten an eternal champions for Saturn
Lol at around 3 minutes I was like hey that looks a little bit like unreal for some reason. Seconds later U mention the port of the first two unreal levels. 😂
Imagine half life 1 on the saturn I wonder how that would look like
Would be nice to know if they’re planning to make Dino crisis and Silent Hill on sega Saturn if it didn’t died
Happy the system is getting some love, but where the Saturn really shines for me is 2d and super scalars with massive sprites and creative effects. Most of these seem to be aiming to replicate a ps1 rather than letting the Saturn be its own beautiful thing
Did he use the same pink flowers texture for metal Sonic that was used for Metal Mario on N64? 4:45
When I saw the title and thumbnail, I had to let it sink it for a second that this was not for Mega Drive homebrew games but Saturn ones. Great news! I especially like the 2D one at 5:05. Thanks for this video.
Now we just need a time machine
I wish someone could port or make a brand new racing game for the saturn. Maybe something in the same veins as the original Gran Turismo.
I've honestly wondered if there are any private collections of full video games people have made for systems. Or even just private pc games that are only allowed to be played withing a certain group of people. I know if I had infinite resources I'd make a lot of GBA game.
I've been trying to find a drive I can use to burn backups, All the ones I have are too slow; I do have some IDE ones I need to get adapters for to test if they even work, however if anyone knows a modern one I can get that will burn a disc slow enough to read on a saturn I'd appreciate it
Is there a port of golden axe revenge of death adda
This only proves how strong could sega saturn be on that era... PSX being the rival but comon... look how good this console is...
Im glad that the Saturn is starting to get rom hacks now,I can't wait to see what port or projects that'll come to the system. :)
I hope everyone keeps up the great work. 👍
V Saturn(1995 JP) became Sega® Saturn. Sonic Adventure™(Saturn ver.)...not sure if anyone works on it...