I've always found that interesting that they bother some people. I've never had a clothing tag bother me in any bit of clothing. I never even remember they are there or feel them.
The video of him writing something something down, intently re-reading it, then tearing it up coupled with the numerous hours of walking back and forth along the beach screams someone contemplating their impending death.
Possibly a suicide note but figured either it would give away his identity or that nobody would find it anyway. The man clearly wanted to die in peace. It's possible he didn't have a family and was so lonely with his disease that he fled to die away from a hospital
Actually, that's pretty common behavior for classified info you need to know. Especially 30 years ago when I commonly saw it a lot. Better ways exist now but nothing wrong with old school. Needless to say, I have seen people receive a call, copy info, read it a few times, and burn it. Not worth going into but technically it doesn't have to even be a spy, just someone who probably worked in the field and now handles critically sensitive data. Walking the beach non-stop smells like a drop by water....just saying :)
@@cajunvol882 , my guess is that he was a government spook of some sort, and/or some member of some elite military unit that was essentially deemed as obsolete and they took out his family and poisoned him, as well as his relationships with people, so he died with nothing left in his life.
Up until you mentioned prostate cancer, it was really eating me up that he was a disturbed soul either running from something or seeking solitude. Now I think that he was sick and just wanted to go on his own terms
“Sick and wanted to go out on their own terms” describes literally everyone who has ever attempted suicide. Some people are just also a more socially acceptable kind of “sick.” The right to be forgotten inherently includes the right to die with dignity. The only reason we stigmatize some suicides and not others is that we think younger people, people with families, people who don’t have an additional physical illness “shouldn’t” want to die - but what the hell do we know? Ultimately it’s none of our business. Do we still want to save people from death by depression, usually manifesting as suicide? Of course. But do we really want to take people’s rights away based on our assumptions of “you still have so much to live for!”? Maybe it’s just not that straightforward.
@@emilysmith2965 Thank you, very well said. I believe that the right to die is equal to the right to live. It’s about choice. I will go to Switzerland when my suffering becomes unbearable, as they are proponents of the right to choose to end your own life peacefully. Nobody should have the power to deny you the right to make those personal decisions.
Yeah it is an unfortunate thing where the sick wish for it all to be over but the doctors or family refuse to let it happen. I know my grandmother was basically completely falling apart and actively told us she didn't want to hang around much longer, but the doctors kept putting her on more stuff, putting her on the machine, etc. Sometimes it's more free to let it go rather than perpetuating pain. Of course mental issues can be solved, family problems can be remedied or just cut off, etc but not being physically well and especially knowing there's not much a chance of survival is pretty rough. I know it's not good advice, but I do feel it should be understandable.
A heart attack when people, especially older people with pre-existing heart conditions, hit cold water or struggle in cold water is actually pretty common. I've heard of it a lot in my days paddling whitewater from people falling out of rafts into cold rivers
The only river casualty I ever had to deal with was due to a heart attack. No water in the lungs. He swam at the top of a classiii and got recirc’d. You’re right it happens sometimes.
@@malakaihess351 that's what I was wondering. Back in 2008 I was hospitalised with heart problems. One of the medicines I was prescribed was was aspirin, I still take it to this day.
Yeah, not that much of a "freak" heart attack, although many people don't realize this happens. My brothers' father died this way, he was rather young too, but had an enlarged heart.
I, myself, "went missing" in 1997 when I left the family farm without leaving any forwarding address. In my case I had gotten fed up with my family for various reasons that I won't get into here. A brother finally did find my address 8 years later. My point is that some of us "go missing" on purpose.
Unless they were cruel tyrants, that's a very selfish thing to do. I would be heartsick with panic if someone I loved did that to me, worried someone did something to them and then a bit later turns out that they did what you did I might not even speak to them again for hurting me so...
@@darkprince56 I know a few people who were pretty close to doing the same, because their family was a drain of energy, every time again, when given the chance, ie. when again approached, since well they were still family, it always ends up being heartburn and anguish. And those weren't even clearly physically abusive, though close to mental abuse maybe.
@@darkprince56 Sometimes you're just done with certain people. And it doesn't sound like someone willing to vanish for years is worried about them not even speaking to them again.
@@darkprince56 that mentality is the reason people do it. Instead of blaming the person for leaving maybe soul search and figure out what you’ve done wrong. A person doesn’t leave to hurt their loving family…. They leave to escape a dark place and have a shot at a good life. Ignorance is a hell of a drug.
Why did people assume he was throwing his belongings on random garbage bins? My immediate assumption was that he was probably mailing those things to his family abroad, and that's why he needed the stamps
Wouldn't the post offices have cameras to see if he was there? They knew he bought stamps so I would assume that a follow up check to the local post offices would be an easy next step. No, I think he was probably just taking out some snacks or a spare shirt , something one can use and then just put the bag back in a pocket.
Lori Ruff is my favorite case like this. Lori Ruff was born Kimberly McLean. She ran away from home at 17 and obtained the birth certificate of a girl who died in a fire through the mail, got an Idaho ID under that name, and moved to Texas where she changed her name to Lori Kennedy and obtained other documents including a social security card. She committed suicide in 2010 and her husband found a lockbox containing evidence that she wasn't who she said she was. He ended up going to the internet to try to find who she actually was and in 2016 her real identity was found through a DNA database.
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198Running away from home is drastic. Some people run away for petty reasons but it's usually a lot more serious. Maybe her family of origin horribly abused her and she was afraid of them. Maybe she lived a normal new life for awhile but the memories of her childhood still haunted her til she took her own life.
I think he was having a lot of anxiety about drowning himself, that’s why he was pacing all day and some of the night. When he finally pushed himself to jump in to the icey cold water he was already freaking out, and his heart couldn’t take the situation. Poor guy.
I find it actually weird that someone would choose drowning as a way out. I've heard of people jumping from high bridges into the water but that's a quick death understandable. Also if he went to the sea with no intention of returning, why did he take off his trousers, shoes...etc like he doesn't want them getting wet as if he just wanted to swim and return!!
@@Bobbypinker, it could be. There are also practices of writing things down that bother you, or negative thoughts, and ripping them up to let them go to move on from them. We will never know.
It's probably been pointed out by somebody already, but it's very very rare to be asked for an id/ passport when checking into a hotel in Ireland. You might be asked to fill out a form if you haven't provided your details during the reservation stage, but neither I nor any of my family have ever been asked for an ID and we have stayed in many hotels around the country. Irish are a pretty relaxed bunch 😁
I've struggled with suicidal ideation for the most part of my life. What this man did, especially knowing he was going to die soon anyway, is relatable. Whenever I was planning to die, I also heavily considered disappearing. The guilt of being a burden even after death can weigh heavily on you. When you're ready to die, you think of these things, and disappearing to try to make it as easy as possible for either surviving relatives or anyone else that might stumble upon your body just seems like the best thing to do. Sort of tie up loose ends. Nobody truly wants to die. But when the pain is too great, it just seems like dying is the only solution. The pacing back and forth for hours on that beach reflects that. Not truly wanting to die, and yet knowing it's the only way to make the pain stop. Drowning is also such a horrible way to go, I wouldn't be surprised if he had taken something that would stop his heart, thinking that would be an easier death out there in the water. Or maybe his heart just simply gave out, considering the physical state he was in, and the stress he was under knowing he was about to die. Either way, this is just a sad story. People often try to make situations like these out to be some grand mysteries, because most people fundamentally don't understand what it's like wanting to die on your own terms. He clearly did not want his identity to be known. Maybe it's best if people just respect that and leave it as it is. At the very least, he chose a beautiful place to spend his last few days at. I hope he found at least a semblance of solace before his death.
@@adamnxxyou're so closed minded if you think everything is solvable with therapy and pills, sometimes society is the problem and other times it's just physical ot psychological pain that people are tired of. We live in a corrupted, selfish & greedy world that doesn't know what empathy is, so it's not exactly worth living for everyone.
I must be the weird one here but to me, the fact that he had the tags removed from his clothing is not that strange to me 🤷🏻♀️. I've always removed the tags from my clothes because they are incredibly uncomfortable and irritating to my skin.
Back in the day it was common to remove the tags because someone had written their name on them and the majority of people wore clothes thrifted or donated, due to low income. This was probably more the mentality of a man his age.
@@teedepefanio4974 Eww I know that being A Janitor is an Important Job but it's definitely not a Job that I ever want scrubbing The Toilets Gross it's bad enough having to wipe The Toilet every time You have to go Pee or Poop yes I know that Us Men usually stand up to Pee but I have always found it more comfortable to do what A Woman does and sit on The Toilet to Pee
Bear with me here.... Thomas Hardy's 'The Mayor of Casterbridge' has a central character that makes some terrible decisions in life. When his end comes, he writes a note about how he wants no ceremony at his funeral, no gravestone or mourners. He basically just wants to exit the world and be forgotten. There's something immensely powerful about this, and I'm sure Hardy was expressing something many people have felt. The desire to leave the world and it carry on as if you had never existed. If you are lucky, you might never feel this. Or you might feel this every now and then, but ultimately find some reason to keep going. I'm not sure everyone is this lucky though.
I’m torn between wanting to be missed, to have made a positive difference in people’s lives vs wanting to leave this world without a mark. To be forgotten forever because I often feel like I don’t exist to begin with.
Sometimes it's easy to know when one is a drain on the world and contributes little. I'm torn between knowing how pointless my life is and how little I want it to end. So...I live my life trying to make as little an impact as possible...at least a physical one. I usually go out of my way to eat cheap, eco-friendly foods like lentils, grains, and cruciferous veggies as much as possible. I live my life nocturnally, neither being seen, nor heard outside of my house more than perhaps once every 60 days. I know that if I participated, I would be nothing more than another face in a sea of pointless faces, hell-bent on destroying the world with plastic and ignorance. So, what I consider best is to step lightly and live mostly anonymously but through my various online personae. It might be considered unhealthy or wrong, but I frankly don't care what other peoples' thoughts are on that front as it is ultimately my choice to be as invisible as I wish to be.
My mother passed away very recently, and she chose something similar - cremation and burying the urn with no marker in a forest reserved for that purpose. No funeral, no headstone, no newspaper announcement, no nothing. She repeatedly stated she wanted to be buried "under some green grass" and not be mourned overly long. In her case I think it's related to how her parents passed away back to back when she was very young - just 26 - and she always hated taking care of the grave site because it put her back into those dark times. I'm considerably older now than she was then, but I'm still grateful for her choice - the idea of having to deal with all those minutiae while simultaneously dealing with the bureaucracy just feels me with dread. I'd already decided I wanted something like that for myself after having been subjected to my grandfather's funeral - all the bells and whistles, church service, buffet afterwards, having to deal with people I'd never before met in my life -, that she chose the same "painless" process just firmed my resolve. I think in her case it was altruism rather than nihilism, basically ending up at the same goal despite different approaches.
@@Jade-k7 Ideas and text are essentially free. Maybe there are others like me who feel both pointless and like living who want to see what others do to rationalize that unusual feeling. No...my real name isn't "HaydenX"...that is a name I chose 16 years ago because of an artist I liked. No one knows who this is...and that's fine...I'll have no headstone when I die either...I'm going to be buried naturally in some seeded cloth so that I can fertilize new life through my death.
Dear Sir, Rest in peace. While death is something hard to avoid, I am sorry for the pain and suffering you went through. I hope one day we will be able to find happiness for all of us.
It sounds like he wanted his identity hidden so that his family/friends or peers wouldn’t know he committed suicide, they would just think he went missing. He’s most likely from a different country, which is why they never connected the dots on missing ppl in the area (cuz he’s not from the area). His passport must’ve been fake since his ID was also... I think his ultimate goal was to drown, but had a heart attack right after jumping in the water. Realizing your about to die is terrifying for most ppl, which could’ve caused the heart attack before he was able to drown.
Nah its not that bad Your lungs feel like theyre exploding for a few seconds then you go into shock and youre just drifting through a silent void until everything goes black. Granted thats only if you accept it and just inhale to get it over with. And if you try to fight it on average youll make it around 3 mins before every muscle in your body is screaming from lack of oxygenated blood and you just passout and drown anyway. And fun fact panicking during a drowning incident but especially at night is a good way to guaruntee you drown because a lot of people in their panic swim down instead of up happens more frequently in deep murky water but it's not unheard of in rivers either
I'm late to the party but here's an insight from a person who went to another city with the intent of un-aliving myself. When I finally made the decision everything else was almost automatic, devoid of excitement. In all 3 of my attempts I felt relief once I made the decision to go ahead and go through with it so the feeling is hard to explain but it's almost like you're already not here so you feel like a ghost, like an entity existing but not being alive. I too went to a coastal town and spent alone time at the beach, completely sticking out like a sore thumb. I spent days wandering around just not existing as myself but as this empty vessel. I tried writing a un-alive note and read it over and over again until I realized that it wasn't really explaining anything and that how I felt couldn't be explained to people without mental illness. My plan was also to walk into the sea and drown. Something about the sea feels like going back to the primordial soup that we all came from. Like going home. I ended up not going through with it due to a nightmare I had the night before the set date. Although I'm "better" now I still feel it should've ended for me then and there. Now... His "German" accent could also be Dutch or Danish since all three are pretty rough sounding languages. Doubtful that he's military or law enforcement, he might just be a guy who once moved to Ireland to start his life and ended up being completely alone and isolated. He might also been isolated in his home country and always wanted to visit Ireland and thought it would be poetic to end it all there. To me, it's not a mystery. I see a lonely person being liberate from his own thoughts but I might also be projecting.
I see the same thing. I'm thankful that at some point early on someone must have instilled in me a love for life that I just cannot shake no matter how depressed I get. I would walk to the ocean and stare and this deep desire to go in and just never come out washes over me, I feel like he planned for just his clothes on the beach to have been found, and idk there's something so beautiful about it. Tragic. But beautiful.
So here’s a question, and feel free not to answer if it’s uncomfortable or if it offends you - as someone who’s been through multiple suicide attempts and survived, did you survive due to intervention by others? If so, are you grateful for that, or not? And if not, do you wish someone had done more?
@electric-magnetic.....my sincerest thoughts for you, sending positive vibes and peace to you. As a question related to self-reflection....Did it "end there" for you? Have you had a chance in mindset that is now a marker in time of before vs after?
My first thought was that this was a very, very lonely man, and that he wanted to die in a way that represented how he felt. He wanted to be anonymous to others, just like he was in life.
He reminds me of my dad who recently passed away from cancer, he decided to go out on his own terms as well but in the hospital with morphine. I didn't realize it until his passing that he just wanted to die in peace with no pain and I can respect that. His name was also Peter. ❤️🙏
He was not a middle-aged man. He had clearly seen a lot of life and likely lived it all the way he wanted too. He may have watched his wife die or other family members pass on and be pretty much alone in the world. And then the lack of ability to pee showed up and so did the diagnosis of prostate cancer. I respect this man for his leaving life in a way that harmed no one. His dna still exists so eventually we might get a name but that won't really matter. What matters is he enjoyed a beautiful seaside village, ate some great meals, had a few smokes and went to meet his Maker. And when he did that, his Maker intervened and saved him from the minutes long experience of drowning and delivered him home to his deceased loved ones with an almost instantaneous heart attack way out. He hurt no one and he left in peace. Actually, not killing himself but actually dying of natural causes. Let life do it's thing. Live long and smile at the dawn. Life goes so fast, no need to rush the ending.
i know that's the only reason people become ghosts or why they exist if you don't know all the truths in your life or un finished that's what happens ! my mom died when i was 12 and i see her ghost once in a while .
we do not owe respect to the living, but should respect those that deserve to be respected . those that have died for anyone at any time shall always be respected . as a child i had to carry my father to and from the bathroom 3 times a day as he was dying from prostate cancer
@@capnsmashy5718 My first instinct was to say I'm sorry for your loss. But after reading through several times, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Maybe your grief is effecting you still, but how did your father die "for you"? I think you need to talk to a professional about this, I'm not sure it's really appropriate here on CZcams. It sounds like you need help.
That's what I'm saying. I think it was a suicide, and he was ready to just disappear. It looks like a clear suicide. A man wanted to die unlabeled, unknown, and unassuming, and on his own terms.
@@lipokyanger7685 it it were I would have been gone the first time at the age of 12, then 16, actually a couple time when I was 16. I couple times when I was 18, and then I’m ok till about 22-23, then I had a huge wish to fall asleep. Then again at 26 which lead to DMT, and a pretty stable ok to be awake since then. I’m stoked on life. Find purpose through experience and adventure. Changed my life.
The cardiac arrest can happen due to a phenomenon called "dry drowning" . Due to very cold water coming into contact with larynx causes vagal activity to increase
Cold water is super dangerous. Perfectly good swimmers can die from the shock of cold water. And the waters of the coast of Ireland are plenty cold (12-16C this time of year, 55-60F). A training camp for English Channel swimmers is in Cork in fact, and is known for its frigid waters. For water that cold you need to acclimate acclimate acclimate.
Another really strange thing is that whenever people go missing alot of the time their clothes are just found missing folded neatly somewhere near their disappearance
This reminded me of Somerton Man in Australia who was found dead on the beach in Adelaide with no identification and all the tags cut out of his clothing. All kinds of theories abounded about who he was and why he died when and where he did. No one reported him missing. He was finally identified using sophisticated DNA analysis after 75 years. Turns out that he likely poisoned himself due to personal problems.
I used to think the number of disappearances was strangley high as well until i looked up how many people were found each year. Turns out only a couple thousand people actually disappear and stay disappeared every year.
The fact that he had asprin in his pocket, yet died of a heart attack, stands out to me. It sounds like maybe he knew he was going to have a heart attack or had a history of heart trouble. Aspirin is used to thin the blood during a heart attack and it sounds like he knew that. My papaw had heart disease and sometimes he would carry aspirin in his pocket also.
People with heart conditions are usually given nitroglycerin to carry with them. It works much faster than Advil. However, given that he had no cancer treatment drugs in his system, he might not have been a big fan of serious meds. Your point is interesting, either way.
@@frauleinbird I didn't think of that, but you're right of course. This seems like a long shot, but I wonder if he knew he had heart trouble and decided to commit suicide by jumping into cold water and hoping it would cause a heart attack that would look like an accident. Apparently cold shock can cause heart attacks, but it hardly seems foolproof.
As an Austrian, I would have immediately noticed that "Ainstettersn 15, Wien 4472" is a bogus address. But it sounds weirdly familiar to "Amstetten" which is a nice town, I know some people there, but unfortunately, it has become known around the world for a tragedy that involves a human monster that lived there. He is in prison now forever, and I find it very sad that a rich history can be overshadowed by an event like this. This town also does not deserve to have the name of that despicable person connected with it. But forgetting is complicated. Sometimes great people are being forgotten, sometimes horrible ones are remembered forever.
Dachte ich mir auch. Ainstetterns klingt wie Amstetten... Habe einen Artikel über ihn gelesen und er wird anscheinend noch immer gesucht laut der Organisation "Österreich findet euch".
i know you probably wont see this, but ive been binging your videos while recovering from a cold. thank u for giving me something to do while im sick and cant focus on much.
most of the missing people are not really missing, they are found within a relatively short amount of time, and a whole heaping of them are children in custody disputes.
yeah it's true, and the only reason why a know about this fact it's because qanon have been using this information, conveniently minus the ''most of the missing ppl end up showing again in less than 48h'' part, to lure people into the Q the internet is just broken
They're reported missing yhea but rarely stay missing. It's people who want time alone or kids as you say. I'm sure that more people just disappear than we all think though, especially if the estimates about the amount of active serial killer's in America are true as I'm sure other countries have a worse problem like China where a missing poor country nobody is something to not talk about rather than someone to care about....
@@matheussanthiago9685 have you looked at Q and how they used game theory to pull people in. It's really interesting and tells you how clever the ass holes running it are. They basically take information like you say but ask the person if they know what the statistic is then send them to certain websites to find the information themselves so that the person thinks what they are learning must be true as they looked for it themselves. They then start asking more wild questions and directing the person to more dangerous websites to find out the answers and the loop goes on. I'm not describing it very well as it's too complex but basically because the people think they are finding the answers themselves they trust it more and buy in to it more. However they don't realise that they have been careful sent to specific places to find out the "facts". Honestly if you're interested in Q in the right way, as in you know it's bollox and dangerous bollox then it's a interesting thing to look at. I'll let you search yourself though... 🤔 😊 😉
WOW... spoken with such conviction, And ZERO research or facts behind it. That's CZcams for ya. "Missing 411" read a book educate yourself so you dont keep spewing bullshit, at your age....
Meaning is the very hardest thing to find. I have zero meaning in my life other than its simply better to be alive than dead. I was an alcoholic for years, simply to feel reasonless happiness and wellbeing if only for a while, but paid for by crushing self loathing the next day. I craved that intoxication that meant happiness for no reason at all. Now I know its a false god, so I dont do that any more. Dont think too much and have a routine, this is my life.
Maybe a guy with no family who cut tags out of his clothes for comfort simply had a heart attack while swimming. Someone found his clothes and took his wallet. Everything else is just a coincidence.
@@thomasnreis Yeah, good point. He went there to die anonymously. He took his clothes off for a swim, but coincidentally died before he drowned. No big mystery. I have occasionally had the idea to pass away anonymously. It's not that unusual.
Did they ever conduct a DNA test on this man? That could help locate his family... Coincidentally, I actually had a professor in grad school named Peter Bergmann. In my professor's case, that was his real name and he was an American.
@C H Thanks for the info! In the US, many people do the DNA tests for genealogy. As a result of having so many people in DNA databases, police have been able to crack a number of cold cases where some DNA from the criminal was available. Even if the perp never submitted a sample, if you can find family relations of the perp, you ultimately find the perp himself through the process of elimination. I have no idea whether such DNA testing has caught on in Europe.
Very late addition but a combination is the cold shock response and diving reflex from diving into cold water can cause fatal arrhythmias due to the opposite actions of these reflexes which result in cardiac arrest almost instantly so that part of the case doesn't surprise me too much
I think a freak coincidence is a more fitting term if he, indeed, was there to end his life. Of all the millions of suicides over the years/decades/centuries/millennia, how many times has a person died of a heart attack or of natural causes just moments before the act?
I don’t think that dying of cancer strips one of their dignity. Seems he was running from something. Maybe he didn’t like the thought of his funeral. The people mourning/talking about him etc. I’ve felt that way.
Could've possibly be either any random mailbox of possibly even a 'dead-drop' where you leave a package in a hidden spot for someone who knows specifically where to look.
These are by far my favorite videos that you do. You could do people mysteries every time and I would watch every one of them. Maybe it's the lack of awkward joke cuts 😂
Ok just started the video but, what if the ability to “disappear” has only become more challenging? What if the 90’s disappearances being high only meant it was harder to track people that just wanted to start over on the East Coast? Kind of like how early tracking of “earth quacks” showed very few a year, but modern technology shows we have them damn near daily.
Cell phones began in the Nineties and home computers also became prevalent. So yes, you're right. 1 million people disappearing isn't because they were abducted, its because most of them were trying to escape their lives. Statistics tell you nothing.
That is every missing person filed at all in the year. That includes kids like my dumb 3 year old self who followed the wrong red jacket instead of my dad's and went missing for a grand total of half an hour Also teenagers who don't properly communicate for how long they will be gone when going to a friends house(or alternatively Rebelling against their parents by staying out later than permitted). A missing person case in the case of a small child will be taken seriously if it has been missing in a new area for like a minute or two. Of the roughly 609 000 cases of missing person in 2019, over 90% were of people under 21, over 607 000 cases were concluded in the same time period. That leaves roughly 2000 actually newly missing persons(assuming that the number of resolved older cases and unresolved new cases that will be resolved is roughly the same) Which for a country as large as the USA is not that much.
Also with these kind of statistics you need to look closely at what they actually cover. We immediately think that nearly a million people vanished never to be seen again but is this figure really 'people reported missing' which includes reports of family members not seen for a couple of days but turn out to be staying with a friend across town. With the increase in phones less people are considered 'missing' as we can contact them rather than the police.
Walked everywhere. For hours. That's a lot of cardio, especially for someone dieing of cancer. Only an idea. I believe he intentionally gave himself a heart attack. He chose the beach, sand has a lot of resistance. when his heart started to give out he undressed and wade in the freezing water to finish the job. Hoping the waves will Wash him away. May he rest in peace 🕊️
This is perfectly explainable. It is indeed a tragic story, but it's no mystery. He probably hid his identity because he didn't want his family to know that he killed himself. He knew he was going to die, so he went to a beautiful beach to spend his final days. When he hit the water, he panicked and had a heart attack. Occam's razor
Rest In Peace man, its sad that many people take this path to exit life, its horrific to know how much times it occurs and how many people feel this way at this moment, if you are feeling down please speak out for you are loved very much by someone you just may not know who they are yet, but please find help :).
"Do we have the right to be forgotten?" "Should we just respect this man's wishes to be left alone?" " *Here's a podcast that goes into More detail about Every Aspect of this story possible* "
Yeah and what? You kept watching even though you realised Peter wanted to be forgotten and then even went to the effort of commenting about it. This man wanted to die unnoticed, my guess is that there was family out there who he didn't want to know he'd suicided, but somewhat ironically he covered his tracks too well and made his death infamous, but as far as I'm concerned none of that metters now he's dead.
Food for thought: How many times has this happened without a body being found and the person really just vanished without a trace. How many Peter Bergmann are there that we will never hear about...
I come from era that had a show called "unsolved mysteries" which has an abundance of stories EXACTLY like this one. No tags on clothes, no wallet, ID, no information, itinerary, family, NOTHING. Not the first time hearing this for me.
He went there to die peacefully alone in a beautiful place, and ended up proving that when you just want to be alone, we idiots won’t allow it, lol. Your message at the end is perfect. We have the right to be forgotten.
Eventually though we are forgotten, whether we want to be or not because the world and life moves on....until you're some super famous person and had countless biographies written about you like Alexander the Great.....you'll be forgotten.... majority of us will and even with someone famous like Alexander the Great, most people don't really care about his historical accomplishments and a lot of people don't know....it is our right yes, but at the same time...it's inevitable
@@calumsanderson6741 how the fuck is that a normal response? I have never felt that ever, you saying that makes me think you do the exact same thing in these situations.
@@maisiewebber6059 Thanks. I always find trying to respect someone's wishes to be the highest form of disrespect. You should spend some time thinking about life and how it ends for all of us. Maybe you're just fighting some insecurities about being lost in history.
I cried. This is so tragically beautiful. No one will ever truly know what was going on. But I want to ask the people in these comments, speculating on if he was this or that or a spy of some sort. To let him be. He went to, more likely, a beautiful place he had read from a poet he well liked, took in the sights and sounds, and decided it was time to leave this plane of existence. I can only hope it was everything he hoped it would be. He did it at night so no one see the tragedy, I don't think he anticipated being found. More than likely he only wanted his clothes to be found, and be considered forgotten tourist clothing and tossed or donated. This man is going to live with me for a long time in my mind now.
What if he had been a Nazi prison guard and didn’t want anyone to know? What if those letters he wrote and tore up were his confession to the atrocities he committed? 🤷♂️
I think that maybe he did this to protect is family/friends. Maybe he lived alone and didn't have much contact with his family and so when he got the cancer diagnosis, he just didn't want to 'burden' them and decided to spare them the pain. Maybe he was worried that if police found his body and identified him that they would contact family and they would be hurt that he went out by suicide or that he didn't tell them about his cancer?
@@BassandoForte this has nothing to do with America, or guns. Did an American take your woman or something? We have bigger dicks on average, it wouldn't surprise me
I’ve had some experiences in life that have reminded me, sometimes a person is the last of their family or group. It’s easier then to imagine why this mans identity hasn’t been revealed and no one seems to be looking for him. There may actually be NO ONE TO LOOK for him. No one is missing him.
“The truth is, for all my struggles to make my mark in life, for all I've accomplished, in just a few short generations my name will be forgotten. Even the greatest of us can't compete with time... and death.”-Lex Luthor
@@joescott right? Isn't that the worst. Again that brings up the point. He didn't want anyone to know what he wrote. What is it about us that HAS to know?
If you think about it, trying to be forgotten in the way that this man did, is one of the most convoluted and interesting ways to be remembered! You will actually be forgotten a lot faster after you die when you’re identity IS open to the public. But for these few mystery people, they are remembered for a long, long, time. Perhaps some of these people knew this and it was the reason they chose to “not exist”, just something interesting to think about.
Maybe the heart attack was due to cold shock, or perhaps just the mental stress when he entered the water knowing he was going to die. There's also a chance that maybe he panicked when he realized he was going to drown, and fought to swim back only for his heart to stop. Regardless, it's still sad and terrifying.
@@joshuablack8221 A man checked into a hotel, spent the entire day walking up and down a beach and was later found dead Honestly I could see the suicide angle coming
The problem with the missing stats is that there not a very good representation of those that are truly missing. If someone runs away from home 3 times in a year and come back a couple days later it still represents 3 missing person cases for just 1 person for that specific year.
Him writing what's probably his last message and then ripping it apart probably means he wanted to be forgotten. If you walk up and down a beach for hours at that age and then do a hardcore swim, an heart attack is pretty likely.
I'm only halfway through the video now but, this case really reminds me of another case from Oslo. The Oslo Plaza lady was shot dead in Hotel Plaza in Oslo. She had the tags torn from all her clothes, few or no personal items, and checked into the hotel under a false name and adress (an adress which didn't exist). Have you made a video on her yet? If not, you really should. It's been a case that's been stuck in my head for years, as I live not far from Oslo.
“A mermaid found a swimming lad, Picked him up for her own, Pressed her body to his body, Laughed; and plunging down Forgot in cruel happiness That even lovers drown.” ― W.B. Yeats
The French newspaper 'Le Monde' found out in 2015 that the Irish Police did NOT send out any inquiries either to Austria and Germany or to Interpol. From a more recent German documentary it appears that in 2019 it was established he had relatives in Germany who had been estranged from him for a considerable time.
@@ellavek1998 The documentary did not say, it obviously hasn't been made public. I don't know if you speak German. The relevant passage ist at 13.24: czcams.com/video/lTR1CF8vIzE/video.html
@@iansoutryer3189 my personal theory is that he was a young Nazi SS soldier who became disenchanted as he got older and realized what was going on. Lived with guilt his whole life- why he didn’t treat his cancer. Viewed it as penance.
My mothers home town is 20 minutes away from Sligo. Been there countless times. Never heard of this mystery. Amazing to think the story of Peter Bergmann isn't well known at all in Ireland
The right to be forgotten is a thought-provoking idea. We live in a world where it is (almost) impossible to be anonymous. What's more, it seems that a lot of people are terrified of the thought of going through their lives unknown and are obsessed with being famous for any reason or for no reason - that speaks volumes about the paranoia that dominates affluent societies. I think I rather respect anyone who can slip into the great unknown without leaving any kind of an identity behind. I hope that by the time I pass, an enlightened future world will permit my remains to be exposed for the vultures and ravens to consume and the nutrients my body contains to return to the natural cycle of things. No headstone for me, please!
Re : right to be forgotten. Years ago now, I ended up randomly thinking about people I'd been at school with, and did some -stalking- online investigation, and came across one entry for a girl I was in English with in the 3rd year. Short results screen, but with a note at the bottom that some results had been removed in accordance with the UKs "right to be forgotten" legislation. I thought a bit harder, and realised that she had just disappeared in the middle of the year, was there one week, then I never saw her again. Never really thought much of it at the time, but when I saw that, it dawned on me that there had indeed been some sort of reason
Problem is that we all live and take part in the same society. I could see many ways that "the right of being forgotten" can be abused by criminals or other types. At worst it could even be a risk to social security. Availability of information and records is absolutely necessary for society to function
This is a cornerstone of trans rights: specifically the right to be forgotten as one was originally assigned or assumed to be. Our identities are so wrapped up in “assigned gender at birth” or AGAB in this culture, even though that decision was made for us by other people without our knowledge or consent. There are other factors involved in achieving greater social enfranchisement, such as the physical body not being used as automatically so significant to what the CULTURAL phenomenon of gender is and the stigma of not “passing” or getting “clocked” as trans, or not looking androgynous “enough” when you’re a non-binary person. But basically yeah, part of what we’re fighting for IS the right for our unhappy and traumatized past selves to be forgotten in favor of who we are NOW. Do you know how EASY it is to change your name when you get married? They literally throw it in FOR FREE. Because it’s normalized in the culture. But if you’re trans? It’s expensive, it’s a pain in the ass and also you’d better be interested in changing it on your BIRTH CERTIFICATE even though that makes zero sense. I CHANGED. I WANT the documentation to reflect that I changed. No one bats an eye about maiden last names, but if you’re trans, well, fuck you. Fuck us, I guess. And yes, if you’re wondering about AGAB, plenty of us make the “all genders are bastards” and “assigned cop at birth” jokes swapping those acronyms around. Those issues are also way more related than they seem at first. Short version: plenty of people you know in real life, would like very much to be forgotten and remade. We deserve to have authority over who we actually are.
What are you talking about? Probably 99.89% of all people who have ever lived and died in the history of people have been forgotten. Maybe 300 people alive today will be remembered in 1000 years (if there are still humans on Earth, that is…). Being forgotten is not a right or an idea, it’s an inescapable fact of life for most creatures who happen to be born on this planet.
Maybe he went to the town to die, since he knew he was dying, but actually just went for a nice swim, but his heart gave out because of the effort and his already fragile health.
This seems probable, but his constant walking up and down near the water - that sounds like a man getting ready for his final swim. Lotta people walk off into the waves.
@@6onnie seems more like he was planning on dying but it wasn’t until he was actually going to die that he faced the idea of it, so paced back and forth until he was finally able to bring himself to do it because he knew it had to be done.
He was most definitely an intelligence operative. Most likely Ex-Stasi. Ironically, Stasi was trained by Romanian Securitate, I started my career before Securitate was disbanded. My dad’s side of the family had some Securitate operatives in it. The poison he most likely used was NICOTINE. Nicotine in very high doses (not from cigarettes) will cause sudden cardiac death, usually within minutes. It’s a lot less painless than the arsenic pill. Operatives in the Stasi and Securitate would kill themselves by nicotine mostly. I’m purposely leaving out the KGB, because while Stasi collaborated closely with KGB, their tactics were Securitate. As small of a country as Romania is and was (22 million) the Securitate was the most feared even over KGB, and Stasi. His name is two ciphers. Monoalphabetic substitution cipher and an affine cipher. A=5,B=2 = HADBEMADECU (Had been made see you). Both ciphers especially Affine and mono-alphabetic were used by Securitate and Stasi. It could be a third cipher possibly Caesar cipher. Most likely it was a code to his handler that he’d been made or had bed made (code for his cover was blown. Both cipher come out to 26. Which would be the Felix Dzerzhinsky Guards Regiment (his old unit in military) and 26 also is zersetzung. (Operational procedures-operational psych ops).
Something that may be a bit of a relief to people is that while the number of missing people is high, the majority of the missing persons are found relatively quickly. It tends to be runaways, drunk people who don't report home for a day, or someone who just forgot to tell others they were on holiday for a week.
For what it's worth, your comment reminded me of an incident that happened to me in Ireland. You might find amusing. I visited Ireland in 2004. I'm American. Five days in County Longford and five days in County Sligo. My first night in Longford, I was in a bar and the men's and women's bathrooms were labeled in Irish. Clearly I don't speak Irish. You likely are aware the signs read: "fir" and "Mnagh" (I think that was the spelling of the second term...) In any event, I assumed, ignorantly, since "fir" starts with an "f", as "female" does, that must be the women's room. So I went into "Managh". Because it starts with an "m", like "male". I am a dude. When I got back to the table I told my friend (who was Irish, who I was visiting) and she laughed. Hysterically.
If it isn’t INSANELY obvious that this dude was contemplating suicide, it’s wild. He even was writing a suicide note, decided against it and tore it up like “it’s not gonna matter anyways”. And then he paced the entire beach for several hours as if to contemplate his life before he walked out to drown himself. And I believe he might have walked around the entire city for 3 days essentially waiting or internally begging for somebody to care for him, ask him what’s wrong, just try to care and be there for him. He even paced the beach back and forth in an odd manner and NOT A SINGLE PERSON came up to him to talk and see what’s going on what’s wrong is he ok etc. This story should show you that genuinely people really do contemplate suicide without begging for attention. IF YOU SEE SOMEBODY DOING SOME WEIRD ACTIVITIES AND ITS OBVIOUS THEY ARENT OK MENTALLY/EMOTIONALLY/PHYSICALLY, TALK TO THEM. ASK THEM WHATS WRONG. MAKE THEM KNOW THEY ARE NOT ALONE.
@@kecvuSo? So suicidal people don’t matter if they have cancer? Or people can’t be suicidal if they are terminally ill? What exactly is the point you’re trying to make?
Your first points about how many people have disappeared in various years is very interesting. I wonder how many of those are runaways or people who skip town maybe from a rough situation to start fresh. Even so in those cases it would be really hard for that many people to start fresh in another part of the US. I would like to see an episode looking into the topic of what makes up that number.
The tags cut out, the weird hotel behavior, the foreign accent, all the same as the woman from death valley California. Possibly typical spy behavior if multiple body's from the same part of the world, from different time periods, were found in different places around the world. Possibly spy's who want to quit.
Just as a side note: in some places the tags in clothing can start the alarm in shops. Here in Germany this is quite common by now... It's always kind of funny to see people totally shocked when they leave a grocery store and the alarm starts. Many cashiers know the problem by now and ask the customer if they forgot to remove the tag in some of their clothes.
The saddest part to me is that he had to do this alone. I work in hospice and 80-90% of my patients tell me that they would rather go the route of assisted euthanasia if it were available. If and when it becomes an actual idea being discussed in your country, just remember that terminally Ill people would much rather go on their own terms with the comfort of their family. I suspect Peter chose to do it this way so he wouldn't have to pain his family.
I don't think he went there to kill himself to be honest. It sounds more like he exhausted his heart while enjoying the beach, knowing he would die soon. If I was terminally ill I'd also want to walk up that beach and enjoy it into the night. Idk, just wanted to offer an alternative to willful death. I can totally see this man just wanting to live his last days out in that city and being cut off from the rest of the world, hence getting rid of the identifying stuff. Maybe he didn't wanna bother any relative by dying after not taking any treatments. I don't know. I just really don't think suicide is the main lead, when the man acted a lot like someone would in their last weeks except for keeping his identity secret. Went to a nice place, walked around and enjoyed it, smoked cause his lungs already had cancer anyway, went to the beach in nice clothing cause he could, stuff like that. For all we know this man did have sketchy ties and just wanted to relax in his last days and a heart attack got him in his best moment at the beach.
Exactly to me it sounds as if he wanted to relive a experience he had in his youth of swimming on a nice beach at night. If he wanted to kill himself why wouldn't he go to the surf beach, as the strong tides would help one drown easier.
@@tenaciousgamer6892 Perhaps the tides would be more brutal than he wished? While either tide would be lethal, I feel the gentler tides of the swimming beach may have been preferable to this gentleman than the harsher tides of a surf beach.
Ya it seems kind of odd to bother with swim trunks and a change of underwear if killing himself was the plan. Seems like he died on the beach while getting undressed.
they said he checked in for only three nights at the hotel though. his hotel stay would have to be longer for that to make sense since he went out to the beach on the day he'd have to check out of the hotel. If anything the fact he died after spending three days in the city seems to make it more deliberate since it suggests he only paid for three nights with the idea he'd die the day after.
I know these cases are unsettling and we'll most likely never have answers but most likely there is a family looking for them/hates and cuts them off/they all died or left... its sad. They always strike me as devestating. Ive almost embarked on similar journeys when i was dealing with my untreated bipolar mania/depression. I feel for these people even though i'll never understand them, i empathize.
I don''t see much significance in the missing clothes tags - I've been ripping those out of my clothes my entire life - they're itchy.
I've always found that interesting that they bother some people. I've never had a clothing tag bother me in any bit of clothing. I never even remember they are there or feel them.
I was searching for this comment 😂 because same!
Fair point. His belt and shoes were unaltered, IIRC, so it could have been a comfort thing.
Ripping out tags from pants make sense but there should be very few people being bothered by tags on tees and shirts :/
@Brian M. Yeah well some of us have to buy the cheaper ones with the itchy tags, you know, because of being poor.
The video of him writing something something down, intently re-reading it, then tearing it up coupled with the numerous hours of walking back and forth along the beach screams someone contemplating their impending death.
Possibly a suicide note but figured either it would give away his identity or that nobody would find it anyway. The man clearly wanted to die in peace. It's possible he didn't have a family and was so lonely with his disease that he fled to die away from a hospital
1oo percent it's obvious he didn't want anyone to know what he did who he was or why so figuring it out would be pointless
True. Its very sad.
Actually, that's pretty common behavior for classified info you need to know. Especially 30 years ago when I commonly saw it a lot. Better ways exist now but nothing wrong with old school. Needless to say, I have seen people receive a call, copy info, read it a few times, and burn it. Not worth going into but technically it doesn't have to even be a spy, just someone who probably worked in the field and now handles critically sensitive data.
Walking the beach non-stop smells like a drop by water....just saying :)
@@cajunvol882 , my guess is that he was a government spook of some sort, and/or some member of some elite military unit that was essentially deemed as obsolete and they took out his family and poisoned him, as well as his relationships with people, so he died with nothing left in his life.
Up until you mentioned prostate cancer, it was really eating me up that he was a disturbed soul either running from something or seeking solitude. Now I think that he was sick and just wanted to go on his own terms
“Sick and wanted to go out on their own terms” describes literally everyone who has ever attempted suicide. Some people are just also a more socially acceptable kind of “sick.”
The right to be forgotten inherently includes the right to die with dignity. The only reason we stigmatize some suicides and not others is that we think younger people, people with families, people who don’t have an additional physical illness “shouldn’t” want to die - but what the hell do we know? Ultimately it’s none of our business.
Do we still want to save people from death by depression, usually manifesting as suicide? Of course. But do we really want to take people’s rights away based on our assumptions of “you still have so much to live for!”? Maybe it’s just not that straightforward.
@@emilysmith2965 Thank you, very well said. I believe that the right to die is equal to the right to live. It’s about choice. I will go to Switzerland when my suffering becomes unbearable, as they are proponents of the right to choose to end your own life peacefully. Nobody should have the power to deny you the right to make those personal decisions.
@@emilysmith2965as a suicide surviver I disagree
Yeah it is an unfortunate thing where the sick wish for it all to be over but the doctors or family refuse to let it happen. I know my grandmother was basically completely falling apart and actively told us she didn't want to hang around much longer, but the doctors kept putting her on more stuff, putting her on the machine, etc. Sometimes it's more free to let it go rather than perpetuating pain.
Of course mental issues can be solved, family problems can be remedied or just cut off, etc but not being physically well and especially knowing there's not much a chance of survival is pretty rough. I know it's not good advice, but I do feel it should be understandable.
@@ShadowKAMII yeah big L on this guy’s part. “Who cares if my kid kills himself? His choice!” 🤦🏼♀️
A heart attack when people, especially older people with pre-existing heart conditions, hit cold water or struggle in cold water is actually pretty common. I've heard of it a lot in my days paddling whitewater from people falling out of rafts into cold rivers
It could explain the aspirin in his pocket.
Also, cold makes blood vessels constrict and cause heart attacks, which is why heart attacks from shoveling snow are common.
The only river casualty I ever had to deal with was due to a heart attack. No water in the lungs. He swam at the top of a classiii and got recirc’d. You’re right it happens sometimes.
@@malakaihess351 that's what I was wondering. Back in 2008 I was hospitalised with heart problems. One of the medicines I was prescribed was was aspirin, I still take it to this day.
Yeah, not that much of a "freak" heart attack, although many people don't realize this happens. My brothers' father died this way, he was rather young too, but had an enlarged heart.
I, myself, "went missing" in 1997 when I left the family farm without leaving any forwarding address. In my case I had gotten fed up with my family for various reasons that I won't get into here. A brother finally did find my address 8 years later. My point is that some of us "go missing" on purpose.
Unless they were cruel tyrants, that's a very selfish thing to do. I would be heartsick with panic if someone I loved did that to me, worried someone did something to them and then a bit later turns out that they did what you did I might not even speak to them again for hurting me so...
@@darkprince56 I know a few people who were pretty close to doing the same, because their family was a drain of energy, every time again, when given the chance, ie. when again approached, since well they were still family, it always ends up being heartburn and anguish. And those weren't even clearly physically abusive, though close to mental abuse maybe.
@@darkprince56 Sometimes you're just done with certain people. And it doesn't sound like someone willing to vanish for years is worried about them not even speaking to them again.
@@darkprince56 that mentality is the reason people do it. Instead of blaming the person for leaving maybe soul search and figure out what you’ve done wrong. A person doesn’t leave to hurt their loving family…. They leave to escape a dark place and have a shot at a good life. Ignorance is a hell of a drug.
@@darkprince56 well if they really loved OP he wouldn't have had a reason to estrange. Stop victim blaming. Now.
The saddest thing is that one day someone will think about you for the last time. This man obviously accepted this. Now he's immortalized.
"The saddest thing is that one day someone will think about you for the last time."
Wow...do you have any idea how profound that statement is?
now I'm not able to sleep why did you do this to me.
That first line is a powerful thought.
Inspires a deep silence in me.
The saddest thing is one day your parents put you down and never picked you up again.
Usually grandchildren are the last ones to think of you. I will always remember my grandparents and when I die, memories of them die forever.
Why did people assume he was throwing his belongings on random garbage bins? My immediate assumption was that he was probably mailing those things to his family abroad, and that's why he needed the stamps
Wouldn't the post offices have cameras to see if he was there? They knew he bought stamps so I would assume that a follow up check to the local post offices would be an easy next step.
No, I think he was probably just taking out some snacks or a spare shirt , something one can use and then just put the bag back in a pocket.
because he never used any of the stamps he bought
No one ever came forward so I doubt it
My immediate assumption was it was full of snacks 😅
Lori Ruff is my favorite case like this. Lori Ruff was born Kimberly McLean. She ran away from home at 17 and obtained the birth certificate of a girl who died in a fire through the mail, got an Idaho ID under that name, and moved to Texas where she changed her name to Lori Kennedy and obtained other documents including a social security card. She committed suicide in 2010 and her husband found a lockbox containing evidence that she wasn't who she said she was. He ended up going to the internet to try to find who she actually was and in 2016 her real identity was found through a DNA database.
Oh definitely that case is a doozy!
Wonder why she didn't want anyone to know her previous identity
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198Running away from home is drastic. Some people run away for petty reasons but it's usually a lot more serious. Maybe her family of origin horribly abused her and she was afraid of them. Maybe she lived a normal new life for awhile but the memories of her childhood still haunted her til she took her own life.
I think he was having a lot of anxiety about drowning himself, that’s why he was pacing all day and some of the night. When he finally pushed himself to jump in to the icey cold water he was already freaking out, and his heart couldn’t take the situation. Poor guy.
Imagine if he was actually a murderer disposing evidence in those bags
@@huginug really not the case to talk about the dead like that
I find it actually weird that someone would choose drowning as a way out. I've heard of people jumping from high bridges into the water but that's a quick death understandable. Also if he went to the sea with no intention of returning, why did he take off his trousers, shoes...etc like he doesn't want them getting wet as if he just wanted to swim and return!!
Yeah I don't think M night Shyamalan saw that one coming.
At least now he won't go to hell for committing suicide.
The most haunting thing for me is when he writes something down in that cafe, reads it, and then rips it up.
Why?
@@tyler7992 because it was probably either a suicide note or a letter to someone he loved. And those thoughts died with him.
@@Bobbypinker, it could be. There are also practices of writing things down that bother you, or negative thoughts, and ripping them up to let them go to move on from them. We will never know.
Could be a grocery list ....
@@goldenlamb777 😂😂"Eggs, milk, bread, Pop Tarts, Minute Rice... wait, I'm killing myself. I don't need this."
It's probably been pointed out by somebody already, but it's very very rare to be asked for an id/ passport when checking into a hotel in Ireland. You might be asked to fill out a form if you haven't provided your details during the reservation stage, but neither I nor any of my family have ever been asked for an ID and we have stayed in many hotels around the country. Irish are a pretty relaxed bunch 😁
Maybe he knew that!
@@natscat4752 Very possible, especially if he did his research, which it looked like he did
Yeah the UK does t do that
Thank you for the information! Now to find out air travel costs to Ireland...
Seems like a disaster waiting to happen tbh.
I've struggled with suicidal ideation for the most part of my life. What this man did, especially knowing he was going to die soon anyway, is relatable. Whenever I was planning to die, I also heavily considered disappearing. The guilt of being a burden even after death can weigh heavily on you. When you're ready to die, you think of these things, and disappearing to try to make it as easy as possible for either surviving relatives or anyone else that might stumble upon your body just seems like the best thing to do. Sort of tie up loose ends. Nobody truly wants to die. But when the pain is too great, it just seems like dying is the only solution. The pacing back and forth for hours on that beach reflects that. Not truly wanting to die, and yet knowing it's the only way to make the pain stop. Drowning is also such a horrible way to go, I wouldn't be surprised if he had taken something that would stop his heart, thinking that would be an easier death out there in the water. Or maybe his heart just simply gave out, considering the physical state he was in, and the stress he was under knowing he was about to die.
Either way, this is just a sad story. People often try to make situations like these out to be some grand mysteries, because most people fundamentally don't understand what it's like wanting to die on your own terms. He clearly did not want his identity to be known. Maybe it's best if people just respect that and leave it as it is. At the very least, he chose a beautiful place to spend his last few days at. I hope he found at least a semblance of solace before his death.
Chin up brother.
often I’ve realized ppl who say death is the only way to stop the pain have never seeked medical treatment
@adamnxx not all pain can be cured by a pill and some dude with a pen and note pad.
@@adamnxxyou're so closed minded if you think everything is solvable with therapy and pills, sometimes society is the problem and other times it's just physical ot psychological pain that people are tired of. We live in a corrupted, selfish & greedy world that doesn't know what empathy is, so it's not exactly worth living for everyone.
I must be the weird one here but to me, the fact that he had the tags removed from his clothing is not that strange to me 🤷🏻♀️. I've always removed the tags from my clothes because they are incredibly uncomfortable and irritating to my skin.
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Back in the day it was common to remove the tags because someone had written their name on them and the majority of people wore clothes thrifted or donated, due to low income. This was probably more the mentality of a man his age.
I'm glad I seen your comment 🤣 I was thinking damm I remove my tags sometimes (am I weird) 🤣 then I seen your comment lol
Oh yes, especially those they put on shirts near the bottom side. Ugh
@@AwkwardBlackGal613 Yeah, they're huge and really uncomfortable. I swear they keep making them bigger and bigger each year, lol.
I hope that this man found the peace that he needed in spite of his circumstances. Rest in Peace.
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@@teedepefanio4974 Peter Bergmann sounds like The Name of A Lawyer
@@jackgarrison8497 cool... sounds like the name of a janitor, who owns the building..
@@teedepefanio4974 Eww I know that being A Janitor is an Important Job but it's definitely not a Job that I ever want scrubbing The Toilets Gross it's bad enough having to wipe The Toilet every time You have to go Pee or Poop yes I know that Us Men usually stand up to Pee but I have always found it more comfortable to do what A Woman does and sit on The Toilet to Pee
Bear with me here....
Thomas Hardy's 'The Mayor of Casterbridge' has a central character that makes some terrible decisions in life. When his end comes, he writes a note about how he wants no ceremony at his funeral, no gravestone or mourners. He basically just wants to exit the world and be forgotten. There's something immensely powerful about this, and I'm sure Hardy was expressing something many people have felt. The desire to leave the world and it carry on as if you had never existed.
If you are lucky, you might never feel this. Or you might feel this every now and then, but ultimately find some reason to keep going. I'm not sure everyone is this lucky though.
I’m torn between wanting to be missed, to have made a positive difference in people’s lives vs wanting to leave this world without a mark. To be forgotten forever because I often feel like I don’t exist to begin with.
Sometimes it's easy to know when one is a drain on the world and contributes little. I'm torn between knowing how pointless my life is and how little I want it to end. So...I live my life trying to make as little an impact as possible...at least a physical one. I usually go out of my way to eat cheap, eco-friendly foods like lentils, grains, and cruciferous veggies as much as possible. I live my life nocturnally, neither being seen, nor heard outside of my house more than perhaps once every 60 days. I know that if I participated, I would be nothing more than another face in a sea of pointless faces, hell-bent on destroying the world with plastic and ignorance. So, what I consider best is to step lightly and live mostly anonymously but through my various online personae. It might be considered unhealthy or wrong, but I frankly don't care what other peoples' thoughts are on that front as it is ultimately my choice to be as invisible as I wish to be.
My mother passed away very recently, and she chose something similar - cremation and burying the urn with no marker in a forest reserved for that purpose. No funeral, no headstone, no newspaper announcement, no nothing. She repeatedly stated she wanted to be buried "under some green grass" and not be mourned overly long. In her case I think it's related to how her parents passed away back to back when she was very young - just 26 - and she always hated taking care of the grave site because it put her back into those dark times.
I'm considerably older now than she was then, but I'm still grateful for her choice - the idea of having to deal with all those minutiae while simultaneously dealing with the bureaucracy just feels me with dread. I'd already decided I wanted something like that for myself after having been subjected to my grandfather's funeral - all the bells and whistles, church service, buffet afterwards, having to deal with people I'd never before met in my life -, that she chose the same "painless" process just firmed my resolve.
I think in her case it was altruism rather than nihilism, basically ending up at the same goal despite different approaches.
@@HaydenX yet you're still posting on here
@@Jade-k7 Ideas and text are essentially free. Maybe there are others like me who feel both pointless and like living who want to see what others do to rationalize that unusual feeling. No...my real name isn't "HaydenX"...that is a name I chose 16 years ago because of an artist I liked. No one knows who this is...and that's fine...I'll have no headstone when I die either...I'm going to be buried naturally in some seeded cloth so that I can fertilize new life through my death.
Dear Sir, Rest in peace. While death is something hard to avoid, I am sorry for the pain and suffering you went through. I hope one day we will be able to find happiness for all of us.
It sounds like he wanted his identity hidden so that his family/friends or peers wouldn’t know he committed suicide, they would just think he went missing. He’s most likely from a different country, which is why they never connected the dots on missing ppl in the area (cuz he’s not from the area). His passport must’ve been fake since his ID was also... I think his ultimate goal was to drown, but had a heart attack right after jumping in the water. Realizing your about to die is terrifying for most ppl, which could’ve caused the heart attack before he was able to drown.
That's def a good point ☝️
Nah its not that bad Your lungs feel like theyre exploding for a few seconds then you go into shock and youre just drifting through a silent void until everything goes black. Granted thats only if you accept it and just inhale to get it over with. And if you try to fight it on average youll make it around 3 mins before every muscle in your body is screaming from lack of oxygenated blood and you just passout and drown anyway. And fun fact panicking during a drowning incident but especially at night is a good way to guaruntee you drown because a lot of people in their panic swim down instead of up happens more frequently in deep murky water but it's not unheard of in rivers either
Honestly, considering a heart attack knocks you out rather quickly, it's probqbly a good thing it happened to him. Drowning is a really bad way to go.
This was exactly my thought! He was in pain and wanted to die but didn't want his family knowing he killed himself.
Is his photo not circulated for people to know?
Damn, dying with your t-shirt tucked into your briefs is a power move.
Lol!!!😂🤣
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😂😂😂
Especially keeping it there in the surf.
Haaaaaaaa aye man now that’s funny asf..... loll
I'm late to the party but here's an insight from a person who went to another city with the intent of un-aliving myself. When I finally made the decision everything else was almost automatic, devoid of excitement. In all 3 of my attempts I felt relief once I made the decision to go ahead and go through with it so the feeling is hard to explain but it's almost like you're already not here so you feel like a ghost, like an entity existing but not being alive. I too went to a coastal town and spent alone time at the beach, completely sticking out like a sore thumb. I spent days wandering around just not existing as myself but as this empty vessel. I tried writing a un-alive note and read it over and over again until I realized that it wasn't really explaining anything and that how I felt couldn't be explained to people without mental illness. My plan was also to walk into the sea and drown. Something about the sea feels like going back to the primordial soup that we all came from. Like going home.
I ended up not going through with it due to a nightmare I had the night before the set date. Although I'm "better" now I still feel it should've ended for me then and there.
Now...
His "German" accent could also be Dutch or Danish since all three are pretty rough sounding languages. Doubtful that he's military or law enforcement, he might just be a guy who once moved to Ireland to start his life and ended up being completely alone and isolated. He might also been isolated in his home country and always wanted to visit Ireland and thought it would be poetic to end it all there.
To me, it's not a mystery. I see a lonely person being liberate from his own thoughts but I might also be projecting.
I see the same thing. I'm thankful that at some point early on someone must have instilled in me a love for life that I just cannot shake no matter how depressed I get. I would walk to the ocean and stare and this deep desire to go in and just never come out washes over me, I feel like he planned for just his clothes on the beach to have been found, and idk there's something so beautiful about it. Tragic. But beautiful.
So here’s a question, and feel free not to answer if it’s uncomfortable or if it offends you - as someone who’s been through multiple suicide attempts and survived, did you survive due to intervention by others? If so, are you grateful for that, or not? And if not, do you wish someone had done more?
@electric-magnetic.....my sincerest thoughts for you, sending positive vibes and peace to you.
As a question related to self-reflection....Did it "end there" for you? Have you had a chance in mindset that is now a marker in time of before vs after?
I'm glad you are still here.
Exactly you don’t have the be a secret agent to get rid of all your stuff which would be minimal in places you don’t see any cameras.
My first thought was that this was a very, very lonely man, and that he wanted to die in a way that represented how he felt. He wanted to be anonymous to others, just like he was in life.
I've always wondered if he may have been a holc
@@chrisinnes2128 holc?
Holcaust surv
@@usmh maybe he meant 'alcoholic'?
Peter: “I think I’m ready to go out on my own terms now”
His heart: “I think the fuck not”
lol I had a laugh at this.
A joint effort
Lol
😂
Dude😂😂
He reminds me of my dad who recently passed away from cancer, he decided to go out on his own terms as well but in the hospital with morphine. I didn't realize it until his passing that he just wanted to die in peace with no pain and I can respect that. His name was also Peter. ❤️🙏
I'm sorry for your loss, May your dad soul RIP.
My condolences. May he RIP
@@hocuspocus6017 what?
God rest his soul.
My mom was the same.
He was not a middle-aged man. He had clearly seen a lot of life and likely lived it all the way he wanted too. He may have watched his wife die or other family members pass on and be pretty much alone in the world. And then the lack of ability to pee showed up and so did the diagnosis of prostate cancer. I respect this man for his leaving life in a way that harmed no one. His dna still exists so eventually we might get a name but that won't really matter. What matters is he enjoyed a beautiful seaside village, ate some great meals, had a few smokes and went to meet his Maker. And when he did that, his Maker intervened and saved him from the minutes long experience of drowning and delivered him home to his deceased loved ones with an almost instantaneous heart attack way out. He hurt no one and he left in peace. Actually, not killing himself but actually dying of natural causes. Let life do it's thing. Live long and smile at the dawn. Life goes so fast, no need to rush the ending.
I absolutely love how gentle and tender you are when discussing these things.
"To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth." - Voltaire
Loved their first album.
A lot of the living don't deserve a shred of respect though.
i know that's the only reason people become ghosts or why they exist if you don't know all the truths in your life or un finished that's what happens ! my mom died when i was 12 and i see her ghost once in a while .
we do not owe respect to the living, but should respect those that deserve to be respected . those that have died for anyone at any time shall always be respected . as a child i had to carry my father to and from the bathroom 3 times a day as he was dying from prostate cancer
@@capnsmashy5718 My first instinct was to say I'm sorry for your loss. But after reading through several times, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Maybe your grief is effecting you still, but how did your father die "for you"? I think you need to talk to a professional about this, I'm not sure it's really appropriate here on CZcams. It sounds like you need help.
Sounds like a guy trying to make the most of his last moments. Pretty nice actually
I'd like to die like this tbh
@@Shino-lr2wi honestly, it just sounds peaceful besides yk struggling
That's what I'm saying. I think it was a suicide, and he was ready to just disappear. It looks like a clear suicide. A man wanted to die unlabeled, unknown, and unassuming, and on his own terms.
If only dying was as simple as falling asleep 🤷🏻♂️
@@lipokyanger7685 it it were I would have been gone the first time at the age of 12, then 16, actually a couple time when I was 16. I couple times when I was 18, and then I’m ok till about 22-23, then I had a huge wish to fall asleep. Then again at 26 which lead to DMT, and a pretty stable ok to be awake since then. I’m stoked on life. Find purpose through experience and adventure. Changed my life.
That managed to go beyond regular internet mystery to something really touching. Thanks man. Have subscribed.
Some of us want to be forgotten, but do we really? I think he got the best of both worlds. He is forgotten and yet cared about.
The cardiac arrest can happen due to a phenomenon called "dry drowning" . Due to very cold water coming into contact with larynx causes vagal activity to increase
Hehe. He said vagal…
Cold water is super dangerous. Perfectly good swimmers can die from the shock of cold water. And the waters of the coast of Ireland are plenty cold (12-16C this time of year, 55-60F). A training camp for English Channel swimmers is in Cork in fact, and is known for its frigid waters. For water that cold you need to acclimate acclimate acclimate.
@@Meatball2022 I am glad I am not the only child here
Saw a scuba diver that died of heart attack in the water last year. The dive team attempted to resuscitate him to no avail.
@@Meatball2022 hehe youre so immature
Another really strange thing is that whenever people go missing alot of the time their clothes are just found missing folded neatly somewhere near their disappearance
Missing 411 type style?
*Cue MrBallen intro
Most cases do not have this but i know what you are talking about
Probably because the think "I'll be right back"
Blackwidows.
This reminded me of Somerton Man in Australia who was found dead on the beach in Adelaide with no identification and all the tags cut out of his clothing. All kinds of theories abounded about who he was and why he died when and where he did. No one reported him missing. He was finally identified using sophisticated DNA analysis after 75 years. Turns out that he likely poisoned himself due to personal problems.
I used to think the number of disappearances was strangley high as well until i looked up how many people were found each year. Turns out only a couple thousand people actually disappear and stay disappeared every year.
The percentage of people reported missing who remain missing is crazy low, like 1%.
The fact that he had asprin in his pocket, yet died of a heart attack, stands out to me. It sounds like maybe he knew he was going to have a heart attack or had a history of heart trouble. Aspirin is used to thin the blood during a heart attack and it sounds like he knew that. My papaw had heart disease and sometimes he would carry aspirin in his pocket also.
Good call! I never felt that his death of heart attack was that unusual. It's his behavior before his death that makes his story so interesting.
People with heart conditions are usually given nitroglycerin to carry with them. It works much faster than Advil. However, given that he had no cancer treatment drugs in his system, he might not have been a big fan of serious meds. Your point is interesting, either way.
@@kitwillihnganz5972 my dad carries Nitroglycerin for emergencies, but has to take Aspirine every day in order to keep his bypasses open
Aspirin is a better treatment for stroke but yes! You’re right. Why wouldn’t he chew it.
@@frauleinbird I didn't think of that, but you're right of course. This seems like a long shot, but I wonder if he knew he had heart trouble and decided to commit suicide by jumping into cold water and hoping it would cause a heart attack that would look like an accident. Apparently cold shock can cause heart attacks, but it hardly seems foolproof.
As an Austrian, I would have immediately noticed that "Ainstettersn 15, Wien 4472" is a bogus address. But it sounds weirdly familiar to "Amstetten" which is a nice town, I know some people there, but unfortunately, it has become known around the world for a tragedy that involves a human monster that lived there. He is in prison now forever, and I find it very sad that a rich history can be overshadowed by an event like this. This town also does not deserve to have the name of that despicable person connected with it. But forgetting is complicated.
Sometimes great people are being forgotten, sometimes horrible ones are remembered forever.
Dachte ich mir auch. Ainstetterns klingt wie Amstetten... Habe einen Artikel über ihn gelesen und er wird anscheinend noch immer gesucht laut der Organisation "Österreich findet euch".
Wow that took me on a Wikipedia rabbit hole, what a horrible person. Town seems lovely tho
Well thought.
Yea, that guy can go be forgotten. His wife too.
What dude do?
Having witnessed my father slowly waste away to nothing from prostate cancer I completely understand why he wanted to go out on his own terms
i know you probably wont see this, but ive been binging your videos while recovering from a cold. thank u for giving me something to do while im sick and cant focus on much.
most of the missing people are not really missing, they are found within a relatively short amount of time, and a whole heaping of them are children in custody disputes.
yeah it's true, and the only reason why a know about this fact it's because qanon have been using this information, conveniently minus the ''most of the missing ppl end up showing again in less than 48h'' part, to lure people into the Q
the internet is just broken
They're reported missing yhea but rarely stay missing. It's people who want time alone or kids as you say. I'm sure that more people just disappear than we all think though, especially if the estimates about the amount of active serial killer's in America are true as I'm sure other countries have a worse problem like China where a missing poor country nobody is something to not talk about rather than someone to care about....
@@matheussanthiago9685 have you looked at Q and how they used game theory to pull people in. It's really interesting and tells you how clever the ass holes running it are. They basically take information like you say but ask the person if they know what the statistic is then send them to certain websites to find the information themselves so that the person thinks what they are learning must be true as they looked for it themselves. They then start asking more wild questions and directing the person to more dangerous websites to find out the answers and the loop goes on. I'm not describing it very well as it's too complex but basically because the people think they are finding the answers themselves they trust it more and buy in to it more. However they don't realise that they have been careful sent to specific places to find out the "facts". Honestly if you're interested in Q in the right way, as in you know it's bollox and dangerous bollox then it's a interesting thing to look at. I'll let you search yourself though... 🤔 😊 😉
There are only roughly 15,000 undolved missing persons each year. However, there were no common flu cases in 2020.
WOW... spoken with such conviction, And ZERO research or facts behind it.
That's CZcams for ya.
"Missing 411" read a book educate yourself so you dont keep spewing bullshit, at your age....
Whoever this man was he seemingly chose the place and time of his death with meticulous care, and I respect him for that. God bless you, sir...
Bruh
God 😂
As a sligo native, THANK YOU for pronouncing Sligo properly. I remember this man being found, it was so unsettling for everyone in the town.
I appreciate the tact and consideration you show when you make these videos.
"to live is to suffer; to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering" -Fredrich Nietzsche
Meaning is the very hardest thing to find. I have zero meaning in my life other than its simply better to be alive than dead. I was an alcoholic for years, simply to feel reasonless happiness and wellbeing if only for a while, but paid for by crushing self loathing the next day. I craved that intoxication that meant happiness for no reason at all.
Now I know its a false god, so I dont do that any more. Dont think too much and have a routine, this is my life.
Yeah, i don't agree. Just because a lunatic opinionated something born out of his suffering doesn't mean shit
@@GoatOfTheWoods If you take it that way then nothing means shit.
Nietzsche- a nihilist speaking about meaning. I think I’ve found the definition of irony….
@@RDKay-ih2hl His label of nihilism was different than what we know today by that word.
Maybe a guy with no family who cut tags out of his clothes for comfort simply had a heart attack while swimming. Someone found his clothes and took his wallet. Everything else is just a coincidence.
Yes, people see what they want to believe. Much ado about nothing.
@@jamese9283 well said... nice touch with W. Shakespeare line...
@@teedepefanio4974 Thanks. I guess ol' Joe was digging for an episode.
yeah but he lied about his name and address, so probably nobody stole his wallet, more likely he threw it away. plus he was facing terminal cancer
@@thomasnreis Yeah, good point. He went there to die anonymously. He took his clothes off for a swim, but coincidentally died before he drowned. No big mystery. I have occasionally had the idea to pass away anonymously. It's not that unusual.
Did they ever conduct a DNA test on this man? That could help locate his family... Coincidentally, I actually had a professor in grad school named Peter Bergmann. In my professor's case, that was his real name and he was an American.
@C H Thanks for the info! In the US, many people do the DNA tests for genealogy. As a result of having so many people in DNA databases, police have been able to crack a number of cold cases where some DNA from the criminal was available. Even if the perp never submitted a sample, if you can find family relations of the perp, you ultimately find the perp himself through the process of elimination. I have no idea whether such DNA testing has caught on in Europe.
@@folgore1 exactly!
@C H you'd be surprised what genetic genealogy can achieve nowadays.
Like catching a serial rapist cop @@Hepad_
@@JoshuaTootell don't know that story.
Very late addition but a combination is the cold shock response and diving reflex from diving into cold water can cause fatal arrhythmias due to the opposite actions of these reflexes which result in cardiac arrest almost instantly so that part of the case doesn't surprise me too much
Is a heart attack on a man ate up by cancer a "freak" accident? He was a private dude that wanted dignity in death & he got it. Bless his heart.
Yes ! Indeed ! Very sad , and not sad at the same time !
I think a freak coincidence is a more fitting term if he, indeed, was there to end his life. Of all the millions of suicides over the years/decades/centuries/millennia, how many times has a person died of a heart attack or of natural causes just moments before the act?
You wouldnt expect it
I don’t think that dying of cancer strips one of their dignity. Seems he was running from something. Maybe he didn’t like the thought of his funeral. The people mourning/talking about him etc. I’ve felt that way.
@@UsulJon Some people my find dying rather stressful.
I'd deduce that the items he left the hotel with were posted, not disposed of. After all, it is known he bought several international stamps.
good deductions, sherlock!
There would have been surveillance footage at a post office
@@te1577 not necessarily he could have dropped the nail off in any mailbox he didn’t need to go to the post office to send them
He could have paid someone to mail these items
Could've possibly be either any random mailbox of possibly even a 'dead-drop' where you leave a package in a hidden spot for someone who knows specifically where to look.
First time here
Realky good stuff
Thank you
These are by far my favorite videos that you do. You could do people mysteries every time and I would watch every one of them. Maybe it's the lack of awkward joke cuts 😂
Ok just started the video but, what if the ability to “disappear” has only become more challenging? What if the 90’s disappearances being high only meant it was harder to track people that just wanted to start over on the East Coast? Kind of like how early tracking of “earth quacks” showed very few a year, but modern technology shows we have them damn near daily.
Cell phones began in the Nineties and home computers also became prevalent. So yes, you're right. 1 million people disappearing isn't because they were abducted, its because most of them were trying to escape their lives. Statistics tell you nothing.
@@jamescaldwell2357 statistics do tell you something, even if it's not the whole story.
That is every missing person filed at all in the year. That includes kids like my dumb 3 year old self who followed the wrong red jacket instead of my dad's and went missing for a grand total of half an hour
Also teenagers who don't properly communicate for how long they will be gone when going to a friends house(or alternatively Rebelling against their parents by staying out later than permitted).
A missing person case in the case of a small child will be taken seriously if it has been missing in a new area for like a minute or two.
Of the roughly 609 000 cases of missing person in 2019, over 90% were of people under 21, over 607 000 cases were concluded in the same time period. That leaves roughly 2000 actually newly missing persons(assuming that the number of resolved older cases and unresolved new cases that will be resolved is roughly the same) Which for a country as large as the USA is not that much.
Earth quacks 😆🤣
Also with these kind of statistics you need to look closely at what they actually cover. We immediately think that nearly a million people vanished never to be seen again but is this figure really 'people reported missing' which includes reports of family members not seen for a couple of days but turn out to be staying with a friend across town. With the increase in phones less people are considered 'missing' as we can contact them rather than the police.
Walked everywhere. For hours. That's a lot of cardio, especially for someone dieing of cancer. Only an idea. I believe he intentionally gave himself a heart attack. He chose the beach, sand has a lot of resistance. when his heart started to give out he undressed and wade in the freezing water to finish the job. Hoping the waves will Wash him away. May he rest in peace 🕊️
A quicker death than simply drowning. Or rather a more guaranteed one.
This is perfectly explainable.
It is indeed a tragic story, but it's no mystery.
He probably hid his identity because he didn't want his family to know that he killed himself.
He knew he was going to die, so he went to a beautiful beach to spend his final days.
When he hit the water, he panicked and had a heart attack.
Occam's razor
Rest In Peace man, its sad that many people take this path to exit life, its horrific to know how much times it occurs and how many people feel this way at this moment, if you are feeling down please speak out for you are loved very much by someone you just may not know who they are yet, but please find help :).
"Do we have the right to be forgotten?" "Should we just respect this man's wishes to be left alone?" " *Here's a podcast that goes into More detail about Every Aspect of this story possible* "
Hence, his discomfort in creating the video.
@@alpheusmadsen8485 but made it anyway.
Yeah and what? You kept watching even though you realised Peter wanted to be forgotten and then even went to the effort of commenting about it. This man wanted to die unnoticed, my guess is that there was family out there who he didn't want to know he'd suicided, but somewhat ironically he covered his tracks too well and made his death infamous, but as far as I'm concerned none of that metters now he's dead.
@@alpheusmadsen8485 talk is cheap, sponsorships are not
Food for thought: How many times has this happened without a body being found and the person really just vanished without a trace. How many Peter Bergmann are there that we will never hear about...
There was surveillance in this case though
@@schakiarligonde1736 But they only looked at the survailance after finding the body
Loads and loads
If the stories about finding feet in shoes in the sea in Washington/Oregon state is true, lots.
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I'm addicted to these, just fascinating.
I come from era that had a show called "unsolved mysteries" which has an abundance of stories EXACTLY like this one. No tags on clothes, no wallet, ID, no information, itinerary, family, NOTHING. Not the first time hearing this for me.
He went there to die peacefully alone in a beautiful place, and ended up proving that when you just want to be alone, we idiots won’t allow it, lol. Your message at the end is perfect. We have the right to be forgotten.
What we're taught:
Someone: *dies*
The normal response: *HOW DO I MAKE THIS ABOUT ME?*
speak for yourself
Eventually though we are forgotten, whether we want to be or not because the world and life moves on....until you're some super famous person and had countless biographies written about you like Alexander the Great.....you'll be forgotten.... majority of us will and even with someone famous like Alexander the Great, most people don't really care about his historical accomplishments and a lot of people don't know....it is our right yes, but at the same time...it's inevitable
The fuck, if you find a random dead body on a beach you best believe there will be an investigation, no matter how much he wanted to be “forgotten”.
@@calumsanderson6741 how the fuck is that a normal response? I have never felt that ever, you saying that makes me think you do the exact same thing in these situations.
Rest in peace and solitude, Mr. Bergman. You will eventually be forgotten, as will we all.
This is so disrespectful
@@maisiewebber6059 Thanks. I always find trying to respect someone's wishes to be the highest form of disrespect. You should spend some time thinking about life and how it ends for all of us. Maybe you're just fighting some insecurities about being lost in history.
@@apebeats6631 no insecurities just respect. I often find this stuff interesting but he passed away mystery or not it’s unkind to be disrespectful
@@maisiewebber6059 it seems like he wanted to die anonymously and be forgotten. He wanted to be alone.
Wait, how is it disrespectful… he wanted to be forgotten and have no one know of his existence.
I cried. This is so tragically beautiful. No one will ever truly know what was going on. But I want to ask the people in these comments, speculating on if he was this or that or a spy of some sort. To let him be. He went to, more likely, a beautiful place he had read from a poet he well liked, took in the sights and sounds, and decided it was time to leave this plane of existence. I can only hope it was everything he hoped it would be. He did it at night so no one see the tragedy, I don't think he anticipated being found. More than likely he only wanted his clothes to be found, and be considered forgotten tourist clothing and tossed or donated. This man is going to live with me for a long time in my mind now.
It isn't "beautiful"
@@ruum9 beauty is in the eye of the beholder
What if he had been a Nazi prison guard and didn’t want anyone to know? What if those letters he wrote and tore up were his confession to the atrocities he committed? 🤷♂️
I think that maybe he did this to protect is family/friends. Maybe he lived alone and didn't have much contact with his family and so when he got the cancer diagnosis, he just didn't want to 'burden' them and decided to spare them the pain. Maybe he was worried that if police found his body and identified him that they would contact family and they would be hurt that he went out by suicide or that he didn't tell them about his cancer?
Missing in the 90’s. Was easy without the internet.
Yanks buy guns anywhere and they have miles and miles and miles and miles and miles of nothing -
Doesn't take a genius... 😉
Easy nowadays if you just don't internet in the end...
But even now, no one has claimed him
The internet may not have been widespread then, but it still existed!
@@BassandoForte this has nothing to do with America, or guns. Did an American take your woman or something? We have bigger dicks on average, it wouldn't surprise me
I’ve had some experiences in life that have reminded me, sometimes a person is the last of their family or group. It’s easier then to imagine why this mans identity hasn’t been revealed and no one seems to be looking for him. There may actually be NO ONE TO LOOK for him. No one is missing him.
😭
I hope you have someone. If you want to chat let me know. I've had experiences too and know what it's like
Great story telling! You speak fast yet with a tightly woven fabric of thought
Why is this so emotionally touching
“The truth is, for all my struggles to make my mark in life, for all I've accomplished, in just a few short generations my name will be forgotten. Even the greatest of us can't compete with time... and death.”-Lex Luthor
To true to true
Who is that?
On the other hand, fame is a type of immortality. As are photographs and video.
@@thomasbower7727 if your existence is an image on a magazine or tv then you are already dead
@@WaspLife Super Man's best friend.
Such a poetic way to go out.
Pre heart attack, that is.
Yeah, maybe that was the whole point? Wish I knew what he wrote on the piece of paper before he tore it up.
Maybe the heart attack adds to the poetic part. That your never in control.
@@joescott Looks like a checklist, or a tidal record. Present the evidence to a jury and it will be suicide, for sure.
@@joescott did they take a dna sample?
@@joescott right? Isn't that the worst. Again that brings up the point. He didn't want anyone to know what he wrote. What is it about us that HAS to know?
Wow Joe, great video, seen your channel on my recommended and now im binge watching. hahahaha!
If you think about it, trying to be forgotten in the way that this man did, is one of the most convoluted and interesting ways to be remembered! You will actually be forgotten a lot faster after you die when you’re identity IS open to the public. But for these few mystery people, they are remembered for a long, long, time. Perhaps some of these people knew this and it was the reason they chose to “not exist”, just something interesting to think about.
He visited that vacuum salesman, got his identity erased, just to die as an unknown. Pretty badass. It’s a theory.
The dam where the vacuum guy picks you up is right by the high school I went to in Albuquerque. 35.1383N, 106.5155W
@@jjohnston94 right on! Lol
@@jjohnston94 thanks man! woops, get this comment also, vacuum man.
Unknown? You mean Cinnabon managers ain't all that?
Walter White style.
Maybe the heart attack was due to cold shock, or perhaps just the mental stress when he entered the water knowing he was going to die. There's also a chance that maybe he panicked when he realized he was going to drown, and fought to swim back only for his heart to stop. Regardless, it's still sad and terrifying.
Probably panicked
The more you want something to be forgotten, the more others will want to remember it.
This case reminds me of the Summerton man. An unknown man with tags missing from his clothing and found on the beach after wandering around.
What amazes me is that we usually ty to find the most elaborated theories for the most simplistic events...
Occam's razor
@@ktktktktktkt Is it really necessary to bring Occam's razor into this, or can we do without it?
@@quokka_11 some people act like its a law of nature. Most things have simple explanations but some have quite the opposite.
This wasn’t a simplistic event, and sometimes, those elaborate theories are true.
@@joshuablack8221 A man checked into a hotel, spent the entire day walking up and down a beach and was later found dead
Honestly I could see the suicide angle coming
The problem with the missing stats is that there not a very good representation of those that are truly missing. If someone runs away from home 3 times in a year and come back a couple days later it still represents 3 missing person cases for just 1 person for that specific year.
As a police officer I can confirm this.
This is true I am the stats I can confirm
Like Covid "cases"
@@bmx2c4me sort of? But still f you get covid twice or three times you still only die once
I am the number I can confirm this
Him writing what's probably his last message and then ripping it apart probably means he wanted to be forgotten. If you walk up and down a beach for hours at that age and then do a hardcore swim, an heart attack is pretty likely.
I'm only halfway through the video now but, this case really reminds me of another case from Oslo. The Oslo Plaza lady was shot dead in Hotel Plaza in Oslo. She had the tags torn from all her clothes, few or no personal items, and checked into the hotel under a false name and adress (an adress which didn't exist). Have you made a video on her yet? If not, you really should. It's been a case that's been stuck in my head for years, as I live not far from Oslo.
“A mermaid found a swimming lad,
Picked him up for her own,
Pressed her body to his body,
Laughed; and plunging down
Forgot in cruel happiness
That even lovers drown.”
― W.B. Yeats
😍 Wow...sad, but beautiful
Yeat YEAT
That was what i thogut as well or som mytical creaton
Great video. Even greater: the way you are applying this situation to our life and your comments at the end, which many of us can identify with.
Yea really. Glad we can all acknowledge, validate and empathize together while we all experience this radical new transition to a NWO. No seriously
Yes, beautiful
He was a trooper, to be walking and moving around with no sign of pain with such advanced cancer.
Your kindness is also appreciated sir.
The French newspaper 'Le Monde' found out in 2015 that the Irish Police did NOT send out any inquiries either to Austria and Germany or to Interpol.
From a more recent German documentary it appears that in 2019 it was established he had relatives in Germany who had been estranged from him for a considerable time.
Who are his relatives?
@@ellavek1998 The documentary did not say, it obviously hasn't been made public. I don't know if you speak German. The relevant passage ist at 13.24: czcams.com/video/lTR1CF8vIzE/video.html
@@iansoutryer3189 my personal theory is that he was a young Nazi SS soldier who became disenchanted as he got older and realized what was going on. Lived with guilt his whole life- why he didn’t treat his cancer. Viewed it as penance.
@@wolfiemuse Nice theory, but as he was in his 50ies or 60ies in 2009, that would make him too young.
@@wolfiemuse that’s exactly what I thought!!!!!
Minor point: we pronounce Gardaí as "Gar-dee"
_An Garda Siochana_ means "Guardians of the peace"
The word has barely popped up on the screen and I'm already scrolling through the comments to see if someone else has got to this first.
I was gonna point this out too, but I had a feeling someone else would get there first. 👍🏻
Thought I was the only Irish bollocks around here! Howya lads!
@@robbie6852 Good man yourself! How are ya getting’ on lad?
Your use of the latin alphabet is atrocious.
Great Video!
My mothers home town is 20 minutes away from Sligo. Been there countless times. Never heard of this mystery. Amazing to think the story of Peter Bergmann isn't well known at all in Ireland
That's good, at least in some places he went out like he wanted to...
The right to be forgotten is a thought-provoking idea. We live in a world where it is (almost) impossible to be anonymous. What's more, it seems that a lot of people are terrified of the thought of going through their lives unknown and are obsessed with being famous for any reason or for no reason - that speaks volumes about the paranoia that dominates affluent societies. I think I rather respect anyone who can slip into the great unknown without leaving any kind of an identity behind. I hope that by the time I pass, an enlightened future world will permit my remains to be exposed for the vultures and ravens to consume and the nutrients my body contains to return to the natural cycle of things. No headstone for me, please!
A sky burial. Not uncommon in parts of asia.
Re : right to be forgotten. Years ago now, I ended up randomly thinking about people I'd been at school with, and did some -stalking- online investigation, and came across one entry for a girl I was in English with in the 3rd year. Short results screen, but with a note at the bottom that some results had been removed in accordance with the UKs "right to be forgotten" legislation. I thought a bit harder, and realised that she had just disappeared in the middle of the year, was there one week, then I never saw her again. Never really thought much of it at the time, but when I saw that, it dawned on me that there had indeed been some sort of reason
Problem is that we all live and take part in the same society. I could see many ways that "the right of being forgotten" can be abused by criminals or other types. At worst it could even be a risk to social security. Availability of information and records is absolutely necessary for society to function
This is a cornerstone of trans rights: specifically the right to be forgotten as one was originally assigned or assumed to be. Our identities are so wrapped up in “assigned gender at birth” or AGAB in this culture, even though that decision was made for us by other people without our knowledge or consent.
There are other factors involved in achieving greater social enfranchisement, such as the physical body not being used as automatically so significant to what the CULTURAL phenomenon of gender is and the stigma of not “passing” or getting “clocked” as trans, or not looking androgynous “enough” when you’re a non-binary person. But basically yeah, part of what we’re fighting for IS the right for our unhappy and traumatized past selves to be forgotten in favor of who we are NOW.
Do you know how EASY it is to change your name when you get married? They literally throw it in FOR FREE. Because it’s normalized in the culture. But if you’re trans? It’s expensive, it’s a pain in the ass and also you’d better be interested in changing it on your BIRTH CERTIFICATE even though that makes zero sense. I CHANGED. I WANT the documentation to reflect that I changed. No one bats an eye about maiden last names, but if you’re trans, well, fuck you. Fuck us, I guess.
And yes, if you’re wondering about AGAB, plenty of us make the “all genders are bastards” and “assigned cop at birth” jokes swapping those acronyms around. Those issues are also way more related than they seem at first.
Short version: plenty of people you know in real life, would like very much to be forgotten and remade. We deserve to have authority over who we actually are.
What are you talking about? Probably 99.89% of all people who have ever lived and died in the history of people have been forgotten. Maybe 300 people alive today will be remembered in 1000 years (if there are still humans on Earth, that is…).
Being forgotten is not a right or an idea, it’s an inescapable fact of life for most creatures who happen to be born on this planet.
Maybe he went to the town to die, since he knew he was dying, but actually just went for a nice swim, but his heart gave out because of the effort and his already fragile health.
This seems probable, but his constant walking up and down near the water - that sounds like a man getting ready for his final swim. Lotta people walk off into the waves.
@@mattgilbert7347 Yes, but people also take long walks on the beach, or short walks up and down, just as a nice stroll on the seashore.
@@6onnie seems more like he was planning on dying but it wasn’t until he was actually going to die that he faced the idea of it, so paced back and forth until he was finally able to bring himself to do it because he knew it had to be done.
He was most definitely an intelligence operative. Most likely Ex-Stasi. Ironically, Stasi was trained by Romanian Securitate, I started my career before Securitate was disbanded. My dad’s side of the family had some Securitate operatives in it. The poison he most likely used was NICOTINE. Nicotine in very high doses (not from cigarettes) will cause sudden cardiac death, usually within minutes. It’s a lot less painless than the arsenic pill. Operatives in the Stasi and Securitate would kill themselves by nicotine mostly. I’m purposely leaving out the KGB, because while Stasi collaborated closely with KGB, their tactics were Securitate. As small of a country as Romania is and was (22 million) the Securitate was the most feared even over KGB, and Stasi. His name is two ciphers. Monoalphabetic substitution cipher and an affine cipher. A=5,B=2 = HADBEMADECU (Had been made see you). Both ciphers especially Affine and mono-alphabetic were used by Securitate and Stasi. It could be a third cipher possibly Caesar cipher. Most likely it was a code to his handler that he’d been made or had bed made (code for his cover was blown. Both cipher come out to 26. Which would be the Felix Dzerzhinsky Guards Regiment (his old unit in military) and 26 also is zersetzung. (Operational procedures-operational psych ops).
Something that may be a bit of a relief to people is that while the number of missing people is high, the majority of the missing persons are found relatively quickly. It tends to be runaways, drunk people who don't report home for a day, or someone who just forgot to tell others they were on holiday for a week.
im irish and its pronounced guard - e. in irish that line over the i is called a fada and it basically extends the sound of the vowel that its over.
Since we’ve got you here, can you explain the conjugation? Garda, gardai (with fada). Is it The Guard and Guards?
I was about to comment something similar haha. Whereabouts ya from? Much love from Donegal! 🙏
Yeah one Garda two gardaí. And I'm from east county limerick
For what it's worth, your comment reminded me of an incident that happened to me in Ireland. You might find amusing.
I visited Ireland in 2004. I'm American. Five days in County Longford and five days in County Sligo. My first night in Longford, I was in a bar and the men's and women's bathrooms were labeled in Irish. Clearly I don't speak Irish.
You likely are aware the signs read: "fir" and "Mnagh" (I think that was the spelling of the second term...)
In any event, I assumed, ignorantly, since "fir" starts with an "f", as "female" does, that must be the women's room. So I went into "Managh". Because it starts with an "m", like "male". I am a dude.
When I got back to the table I told my friend (who was Irish, who I was visiting) and she laughed. Hysterically.
You expect him to get Irish right when he said "vine" for Wien. :-)
If it isn’t INSANELY obvious that this dude was contemplating suicide, it’s wild. He even was writing a suicide note, decided against it and tore it up like “it’s not gonna matter anyways”. And then he paced the entire beach for several hours as if to contemplate his life before he walked out to drown himself. And I believe he might have walked around the entire city for 3 days essentially waiting or internally begging for somebody to care for him, ask him what’s wrong, just try to care and be there for him. He even paced the beach back and forth in an odd manner and NOT A SINGLE PERSON came up to him to talk and see what’s going on what’s wrong is he ok etc. This story should show you that genuinely people really do contemplate suicide without begging for attention. IF YOU SEE SOMEBODY DOING SOME WEIRD ACTIVITIES AND ITS OBVIOUS THEY ARENT OK MENTALLY/EMOTIONALLY/PHYSICALLY, TALK TO THEM. ASK THEM WHATS WRONG. MAKE THEM KNOW THEY ARE NOT ALONE.
He was about to die anyway tho
I appreciate your comment Yami❤
I might get reported or sued for doing that. Especially when I'm black, no thanks. Let em die.
Brother he had cancer.
@@kecvuSo? So suicidal people don’t matter if they have cancer? Or people can’t be suicidal if they are terminally ill? What exactly is the point you’re trying to make?
I went missing in ‘97, best summer of my life and have not been back to my old self since.
Your first points about how many people have disappeared in various years is very interesting. I wonder how many of those are runaways or people who skip town maybe from a rough situation to start fresh. Even so in those cases it would be really hard for that many people to start fresh in another part of the US. I would like to see an episode looking into the topic of what makes up that number.
The ONE Austrian city, every American should know how to pronounce because of the saussages: Wien.
Joe: "Wine ?"
Lmao
Best comment here
It's actually [viːn], as in "veen". Good remark, bad example ;-) I'm sure Joe is trying his best.
@@PaweKabanski even /ˈwiːn/ would have been far closer than the /wʌɪn/ Joe gave us
@@Animaniac-vd5st not gonna complain about complimentary wine :-)
The Peter Bergman story sounds almost exactly like a man that was found on a beach in Australia.
Somerton man.
And the woman found in death valley California
The tags cut out, the weird hotel behavior, the foreign accent, all the same as the woman from death valley California. Possibly typical spy behavior if multiple body's from the same part of the world, from different time periods, were found in different places around the world. Possibly spy's who want to quit.
Tamam Shud case.
That's what he also said already😒
Just as a side note: in some places the tags in clothing can start the alarm in shops.
Here in Germany this is quite common by now... It's always kind of funny to see people totally shocked when they leave a grocery store and the alarm starts. Many cashiers know the problem by now and ask the customer if they forgot to remove the tag in some of their clothes.
The saddest part to me is that he had to do this alone. I work in hospice and 80-90% of my patients tell me that they would rather go the route of assisted euthanasia if it were available. If and when it becomes an actual idea being discussed in your country, just remember that terminally Ill people would much rather go on their own terms with the comfort of their family. I suspect Peter chose to do it this way so he wouldn't have to pain his family.
I don't think he went there to kill himself to be honest. It sounds more like he exhausted his heart while enjoying the beach, knowing he would die soon. If I was terminally ill I'd also want to walk up that beach and enjoy it into the night. Idk, just wanted to offer an alternative to willful death. I can totally see this man just wanting to live his last days out in that city and being cut off from the rest of the world, hence getting rid of the identifying stuff. Maybe he didn't wanna bother any relative by dying after not taking any treatments. I don't know. I just really don't think suicide is the main lead, when the man acted a lot like someone would in their last weeks except for keeping his identity secret. Went to a nice place, walked around and enjoyed it, smoked cause his lungs already had cancer anyway, went to the beach in nice clothing cause he could, stuff like that.
For all we know this man did have sketchy ties and just wanted to relax in his last days and a heart attack got him in his best moment at the beach.
Exactly to me it sounds as if he wanted to relive a experience he had in his youth of swimming on a nice beach at night. If he wanted to kill himself why wouldn't he go to the surf beach, as the strong tides would help one drown easier.
@@tenaciousgamer6892 Perhaps the tides would be more brutal than he wished? While either tide would be lethal, I feel the gentler tides of the swimming beach may have been preferable to this gentleman than the harsher tides of a surf beach.
Totally agree, they made some assumptions here.
Ya it seems kind of odd to bother with swim trunks and a change of underwear if killing himself was the plan. Seems like he died on the beach while getting undressed.
they said he checked in for only three nights at the hotel though. his hotel stay would have to be longer for that to make sense since he went out to the beach on the day he'd have to check out of the hotel. If anything the fact he died after spending three days in the city seems to make it more deliberate since it suggests he only paid for three nights with the idea he'd die the day after.
These videos get better and better
Better with butter
How you watched 18 minute video in 4 minutes to say it got better than previous?🤔
@@aditya234567 many people get early access to these videos.
@@aditya234567 "time travel"
I know these cases are unsettling and we'll most likely never have answers but most likely there is a family looking for them/hates and cuts them off/they all died or left... its sad.
They always strike me as devestating. Ive almost embarked on similar journeys when i was dealing with my untreated bipolar mania/depression. I feel for these people even though i'll never understand them, i empathize.
I cannot believe this, thats my grandpa I'm relieved and sad and still in shock oh god
THATS RUDE!