Issaac, I would like to thank you for your time and devotion you have shown to the flooring/ceramic tile trade. I am a police officer who left a career as a flooring contractor after 24 years. There has not been one day that I have not missed being an installer. it brought me to tears at the end of one of your vidoes when you made the statement that "I love you guys" because being a police officer, I bought into the idea that I was becoming part of a brotherhood. the fact of the matter is that I have never been closer to any group of people than the installers I worked with for over 20 years. I am now looking at going back to the trades because I miss it so much. keep up the good work, you are an inspiration to many.
I hate seeing these tile fails but glad you post these videos so I can avoid making the same mistakes. Keep up the good work and keep sharing the bad work. Peace out!
Man, your honesty in your fail videos, tell a lot about you. you are not afraid of critics and willing to improve and learn from every mistake and turn them into a positive. I call that, been honest and a professional, thank you I learn a lot from your videos.
Issac I wanted to thank you for all that you do ! I just replaced my shower and thanks to you and your videos I think I made my shower bulletproof ! If you ever get up to Sierraville, north of Truckee, look us up and I will buy the first couple of rounds. Stop by the Barber of Sierraville as I am opening a new shop. Thanks again we really appreciate what you do !
This is a great piece, solid work going on here. I’ve got to say, I’ve seen a lot of similar showers repairs in my days. It never ceases to amaze me how bad/dumb sometimes.
This is the reason I try do to as much as possible on my own. It would be a pleasure to me to higher you, but there are so many contractors out there that just screw the customers over.
This is why I would rather do stuff myself. Messing something up and learning from the mistakes has lifetime value. Paying a contractor to mess stuff up has no off-setting value.
Alot of so called contractors out there are a bunch of guys that really don't know what they're doing .I have had couple of times when I have got called from customers wanting me to look at something and ended up giving a very painful answer that the job wasn't done rite
The guy was improperly trained plain and simple. I was trained by my boss to use fiber rock back in the early 2000s and after I learned a few years later of all the problems I have since made every effort to never do tile like that again! Thankful for your informative videos!
I will always use a solid piece of stone or quartz for shower sills, seats and niche sills. Pieces of tile are always going to allow water to penetrate into the curb through the grout joints. I will set them first, and fill the end gaps solid with mortar before setting the wall tile. This way, the wall tiles overlap the sill making it harder for the water to wiggle its way around and get underneath. I've seen guys set this type of solid sill after the wall tile and rely on a single bead of caulk to keep the water out. That's a big mistake. The sill is the most vulnerable part of the job, it needs to be done correctly.
Good day sir. I am from Northern Illinois and a customer reached out to me with a second floor shower failure. I was floored. They did a one coat hot mop for the liner and the felt ripped open at the drain and walls. Guess I'm gonna have some fun. By the way, a quick tip. If I need to install my trim metals in place prior to tile install I will use a small dab of hot glue to hold it in place. Then I will embed it in thin set when tiling. Have a great day.
I like how you say, another funny thing he did.... there's nothing funny about it. But you have alot of grace for others. I don't see You say anything bad about people even when it's obvious. God bless ya bro
In other words, everything the first contractor did was wrong. The sad fact is that almost everyone gets stuck with incompetent tile contractors because that describes most of them. ---By the way, this is one of the very best channels by a skilled contractor that I've seen. Amazing to see the commitment to showing correct installation methods and discussing all aspects in great detail.
Sad to see things like this happen, a shower failure, not from the materials....but from lack of installer’s knowledge. It’s a sad thing when it does; regardless, we still need to keep learning especially for when these new materials & methods “come out”. Cheers✌🏼
Isaac… I thoroughly enjoy watching your reno videos! If you ever want to make a couple thousand mile trip over here to MD… I have a bathroom that needs a complete overhaul. It’s bad! Haha
Here’s an idea for anyone working on a budget. Hit your budget goal and then save for an additional year and get the actual contractor you need. Do not shop on a budget for a contractor.
💯 percent this is what happening with me I’m a contractor and I charge little bit more than the average but people just want to do the job cheaper and then they will spend more money later to redo the job again
@@bluegenie840 it always happens like that when people don’t educate themselves either with videos, word of mouth or some other way than just handing out money and hoping.
Every time I see one of these videos with the gross tile shower floor, I appreciate the plastic E M Mustee one piece shower base in my house. I do like tile on the walls, though
I rebuilt my curb with pressured treated 2x4 wrapped with hardi board. So far it is holding up well. About 8 years and tiles are still firmly in place with no cracks. I put no or screws in the hardi board on top of the curb. I glued it down.
Great video man! You got me thinking about doing the same!! Ever thought about using like an MLath 25 instead of chicken wire? What are your thoughts on the differences between the two?
THANKS TO YOU ISAAC I use the artex 8 plus 9 over schliuter board and i know its water proof...like a swimming pool...keep up the great videos to show what causes water leakage and tile failures.
I have never tiled a shower with hot mop nor do I like the schulter foam pans, all sand topping mix. I use the liner,then the sand topping mix and I even take it a step further I use mapei membrane and aqua defense on the step just in case. Everything absolutely every wall covered with 2 coats of aqua defense, niches and benches sometimes 3 coats maybe over kill but I like doing it that way.
I'm a DIYer. I did my shower and tub surround in my house. I know you don't use Hardie backer and you don't nail anything on the curb. I used Durock on my walls with a PVC pan over mud pack. I did that in my last house as well and there were no problems with the shower after 15 years. No nails in the Durock below 6" I made the curb from treated 2x4s and after wrapping with the liner I mudded them in. I also tiled my floor in the bathroom over DitraHeat. My substrate is 1 1/4" of plywood (2 layers of 5/8" glued and nailed.
When it comes to durock, You are using the rite materials. I'm a contractor and let me tell you this, there is nothing that can and will replace durock rite now. They can come out with 100 different new materials and it mite look cool, or easier to work it but it ain't better than durock . I done my first bathroom around 17 years ago with a little of experience and i used durock. Those bathroom are still in perfect shape. I know that cause i did it to the members of my family. I understand that there is some materials out there that is easier to work with than durock, but i always do my research to find out if i should use it instead of durock. Some of them are just 2 expensive, or have too many problems
A mistake with treated wood, it can warp over time once it dries out if not enough screws in it, really doesn’t matter what you use now that you have a pan liner Over it completely tbh
I find metal lead pans under the old mud beds here in the Midwest. I actually have the same type tile pan in my own home built in 1960. It's still in use today with no visible leaks. I'll replace it with Pasco liner or latticrete Hydro ban liquid liner. That hot mop system belongs on the roof.
Anything cementitious from backer board to thinset will wick moisture over time. Is it better than sheetrock, yes. But even hardy backer or durock should be kept up away from the pan.
I fixed my shower that has curb just like that. They used green board under the tiles which eventually failed. I ripped it out and built it back with pressure treated 2x2s. Then I wrapped it with hardi board. I used liquid nails to put the hardi board on so there are no holes for water seep thru. It’s been 7 years and so far it has held up well.
I think you can still repair the existing shower, it's just a matter of cleaning down what is damaged and make it water proof again using red gard or other water proofing system, and then replace the missing tile.
I think the problem is that if that is messed up who knows what else is wrong. If I was fixing someone else's mistake I'd rather do everything right so you can now guarantee that it won't fail since you did the work
Hi! Great Videos! Can you make a video on leveling the walls studs or shimming them to install backer board? There are not many good videos of this procedure. When I redid my shower my walls were way out of plum. Also when I reinstalled the new backerboard exactly where the tiles were there was not enough stud support for areas of the backer board. So I needed to add some studs. Thanks!
if the stud is "proud"' 'sticking out farther than the others , make some relief cuts on the face and ass where ever the bulge is most pronounced 1/4 -1/2" , alternately , push the stud flush with his neighbors ,take a length of 2x4 and screw it to stud flush with neighbors , if stud is shy , either reverse process or rip strips of 2x and make up the difference and add them to stud
Hey tile coach I love all you’re videos man I’m here in Citrus Heights I just have a cuestión about some Matt finish tile I did stone Looking tile My cuestión is what’s the best wed look sealer 13:34 to use on shower walls and floor I wanna make it wed look Thank you and great job u do man 👍
great job tc! hey i have the sam eshower need your help. the water was shooting onto the forward shower wall where, thinly cracked and chiped grout was there for a long time, so now the 6inch wall cavity behind the shower wall that is getting the water hit with, is leaking or molding at the bottom trim level. odors of mold. So is that means the backerboard or pan membrane is broke? no other leaks , what to do? how do you prove it to the builder warranty? thank you!
Thanks Isaac, you’re great coach. I had never used the wired mesh over the curb underneath my tile. Always build my curbs with a single marble over the cement boards (drilled through and waterproof liquid membrane over) the inner tile under the marble threshold it’s my concern. I will try the mesh
Every time I see one of these videos about tile floor showers all the time, I appreciate the plastic E M Mustee shower base in my house more than ever. I like tile on the walls, though.
@@MrNeptunebob I almost went with either a cast-iron or acrylic shower pan but didn't like the look. In the end, I hired a shower-builder who only builds showers the old- fashioned way.... with *mortar and lathe-on-studs.* Of course, with a mortar pan. These guys laugh when they hear anyone refer to chicken-wire as "lathe".
I am C54 contractor and honestly i don think everything was lost i think i will be able to salvage the shower and give a warranty on it some times it is easier to say lets rip it all apart and get and other job than to fix it
Curbs for me work out great using 4 and 1 mapai and pouring our curbs solid. Rebar through the Crete and put over solid pins when on plywood epoxy set. Never had an issue. 257 showers to this day do not leak go figure. For dyi if you use these kits I call them you better pay close attention to the instructions and materials use for these kits or your going to have problems.
Tear out all the floor tile, put a strip of hardibacker on top of the dam, put as many screws as you want in it. Then, Buy some laticrete membrane and hydro ban....and have a good time lathering the heck out of it, then tile aaaand voila!!! As for the rest of the walls and niche 🤷
America does not seem to be very advanced with liquid applied membranes....all your products we consider very low grade here in New Zealand. Neither of those is tankable, I would use something like MApeilastic Smart or Technokolla ADV Advance or Kerakoll Aquastop Nanoflex...all these are tankable membranes meaning they can take standing water and reverse pressure.
breaks my heart,as i went thru some bad contractors,just didnt care, and phoney,uneducated,but took the money, laughing all the way,im serving him a court date .
So you mentioned on several occasions about avoiding penetrations into the curb. I was wondering, on a longer curb how would you install the retainer for the sliding glass door that requires screws to go down into the curb?
Magic, lol looking at this I highly. Doubt any top curb pens caused the damage, setting the Hardie into the pan it wicked up for sure. This shower would've been saved with some spacing under the boards and waterproofer like Redgard,Aqua defense etc etc
Shower pans are a liability, period. The grout gets nasty after a year or two. Buy a pre made shower pan. Second time at different house I’ve purchased Kohler cast iron shower pan and it will never get nasty or leak. Probably comparably priced to custom tiled shower base with less maintenance down the line. And you just need a decent tile guy/gal who can tile the walls.
@@Slim-Pickens durock will maintain its structure yes, but it will definitely still wick water. I just pulled apart a shower that had durock and the water was wicked over a foot up. And I'd never put hardie backer in a wet area, waterproofed or not. Not to mention, I said nothing about hardie backer.
Contractors have license but the problem is they don’t do the job. They hire subcontractors to do it and the contract comes to inspect or after the job is done. That was the case for us. Can I send you pictures of my shower tiles half done when a subcontractor did for me ? Can you tell if it was dont properly?
I was going to say we really need to see what the proper way to do stuff is so we can check installers in our area. He talked briefly about the curb but not enough!
Awesome share. What can I paint over old tile and tile right on top right after. Can I paint red guard on top of the old tile and then tile right on top? Client doesn’t want to spend money on removing the old tiles.. thank you
Where I live is not require to be a licensed contractor to install tile, the only thing needed is an inspection of the shower liner and drain by the plumbing department Since I'm a licensed plumber also, the inspectors approve my showers without even showing up, they know my work.
I could be wrong but I dont remember seeing hardie absorb water as to cause anything like that. But yes, I dont think any board should go all the way to the floor like that either
Wedi, Schluter, Laticrete...any waterproof backer board can go into the pan. Notice top of curb has same problem and it's 4 inches above pan and perforated with nails. Use a topical waterproofingl and or sheet membrane. Using deck mud to hold backerboard tight at floor is fine if you use the right wall material in unison with your chosen pan/waterproofing system. If you hold backerboard above the deck mud you have to put a fastener in the flood area to hold it tight to the wall. If you allow the backerboard edge to float above the pan it will move with extreme changes in heat and humidity, crack the corner joint and allow water to get behind the board and wick up the wall anyway. Look into bonding flange drains and sheet membranes, I guarantee you will like this system.
@@deckmonkey1459 This house is located near the San Andreas fault line. If a quake were to rock this house....you know re-bar and cement will keep all the glass safe from a cracking 🤪🙃😂
i have been using your videos to grill my contractors a$$ ... tile guy nails into the inner part of the curb (approximately 4 inches off ground) i question it... he tells me thats the only way to do it.... 10:50 in this video shows how to do it.... LOVE THE INFO
Tyler Crumley if I got what money paid for I’d have a shower glass installed without me having to line it up, a fully painted bathroom closet, and a shower value that goes cold to hot instead of hot to cold. RIP Benjamin Franklins
seems to me that tile was falling off the walls and mainly curb because of the FIBEROCK is not suitable to use below waterline and disintegrates with prolonged exposure to moisture. I didnt see a big deal with screws penetrating the hot mob into the curb.
Hey tell coach I'm installing Pebbles and I walk in shower and I need some recommendations for the type of thin-set that I need and the type of grout that I need
@@grady1807 cement board still wicks water but it retains three shape it had when wet. I still think it's a horrible idea to put cement board backers down into a pan like that... just asking for problems.
Also here why would you tile the top of a shower curb. Too many grout lines. I have been tiling for 25 years and always use some type of cap stone. 1 solid piece! Again this guy would not be hired by me.
The moral of the story in all these videos is to follow the manufacturer's instructions to the letter.If you are not sure about something just email the manufacturer and they should be able to answer your question and provide suggestions,including diagrams.And never mix different shower liner systems because you are likely to have problems.
Another problem that i see tile installer do, is installing tile on the curb top. I always install one big piece of marble and i would never install tile on it
Fibeglass is awful, nothing sticks to it and any exposed fibers can wick...we had a system sold here and it was shit...always avoided those installs like covid21....another bad product of fauci and gates!
Even though he used nails to hold them in he could have at least painted an redguard over it or something. Some people need to learn about materials and applications more cause there's always more than one way to do things but only an handfull that will work and not fail.
Water always penetrates the grout and tile and mortar bed. Since the board wasn't waterproofed it got saturated and the integrity of the fiber in the board broke down and turned to mush. Installer error
@@str8menace923 you're right he did say the screws were the reason but he also pointed out the the board was in the mortar bed (big no no) and the curb had no waterproofing so I think he covered it all
You are correct. They are cool to see and rare. They can and do however crack. I had to etch and sand one to fill in the crack. Then used Elite Sealer. The customer was on a very tight budget and understood this was only a bandage. The plumber made sure the drain and trap was cleaned and clear. It's been well over a year now with no call.
Most likely a rebuild, if the install was done poorly it's not worth leaving the rest up because it could also be done poorly. It's better to start over and know that its done right.
Basically since the original installer wasn’t licensed as required by law in California, no licensed tile guy will want to touch it. But technically it does look very salvageable to me.
I'm old school, hot mop, paper, wire, scratch, cement and tile. !!Problem solved!! All the new stuff is commercialized. Always scratch your walls before mudding. 100% quality..
I'm rebuilding my shower right now for the exact same reason. They buried the fiberock in the shower pan, and it was rotting, turning black, and weeping water over the curb and leaking.
Issaac, I would like to thank you for your time and devotion you have shown to the flooring/ceramic tile trade. I am a police officer who left a career as a flooring contractor after 24 years. There has not been one day that I have not missed being an installer. it brought me to tears at the end of one of your vidoes when you made the statement that "I love you guys" because being a police officer, I bought into the idea that I was becoming part of a brotherhood. the fact of the matter is that I have never been closer to any group of people than the installers I worked with for over 20 years. I am now looking at going back to the trades because I miss it so much. keep up the good work, you are an inspiration to many.
Amen
This guy should have like 1 million subscribers. He does such a great job of explaining all the facts and keeping bad situations positive.
One like = one prayer for all wood chisels abused in the trade.
They work great!
Amen to that brother have sacrifice many
Once and a while my local hardware store has a Stanley chisel 3pak on sale for $3. They usually last until the next time they go on sale.
I noticed that too. A little wonder bar would have sufficed too and offended less. 😂
I was shouting, "Noooooo! Why!!!!! STOOOOOOOOP! Please stop bear! Please stop. BEAR!"
I hate seeing these tile fails but glad you post these videos so I can avoid making the same mistakes. Keep up the good work and keep sharing the bad work. Peace out!
Man, your honesty in your fail videos, tell a lot about you. you are not afraid of critics and willing to improve and learn from every mistake and turn them into a positive. I call that, been honest and a professional, thank you I learn a lot from your videos.
Issac I wanted to thank you for all that you do ! I just replaced my shower and thanks to you and your videos I think I made my shower bulletproof ! If you ever get up to Sierraville, north of Truckee, look us up and I will buy the first couple of rounds. Stop by the Barber of Sierraville as I am opening a new shop. Thanks again we really appreciate what you do !
The distinction between Hardi-back or Fiberboard and cement board is really important and thank you for pointing this out.
This is a great piece, solid work going on here. I’ve got to say, I’ve seen a lot of similar showers repairs in my days. It never ceases to amaze me how bad/dumb sometimes.
This is the reason I try do to as much as possible on my own. It would be a pleasure to me to higher you, but there are so many contractors out there that just screw the customers over.
So sad poor guy feel bad for him but thank god you have someone like Isaac to show you & explain in detail of shady tile workers
This is why I would rather do stuff myself. Messing something up and learning from the mistakes has lifetime value. Paying a contractor to mess stuff up has no off-setting value.
Alot of so called contractors out there are a bunch of guys that really don't know what they're doing .I have had couple of times when I have got called from customers wanting me to look at something and ended up giving a very painful answer that the job wasn't done rite
The guy was improperly trained plain and simple. I was trained by my boss to use fiber rock back in the early 2000s and after I learned a few years later of all the problems I have since made every effort to never do tile like that again! Thankful for your informative videos!
Thanks Isacc, your a real honest and positive leader on this. Thanks again.
I will always use a solid piece of stone or quartz for shower sills, seats and niche sills. Pieces of tile are always going to allow water to penetrate into the curb through the grout joints. I will set them first, and fill the end gaps solid with mortar before setting the wall tile. This way, the wall tiles overlap the sill making it harder for the water to wiggle its way around and get underneath. I've seen guys set this type of solid sill after the wall tile and rely on a single bead of caulk to keep the water out. That's a big mistake. The sill is the most vulnerable part of the job, it needs to be done correctly.
Good day sir. I am from Northern Illinois and a customer reached out to me with a second floor shower failure. I was floored. They did a one coat hot mop for the liner and the felt ripped open at the drain and walls. Guess I'm gonna have some fun.
By the way, a quick tip. If I need to install my trim metals in place prior to tile install I will use a small dab of hot glue to hold it in place. Then I will embed it in thin set when tiling.
Have a great day.
I like how you say, another funny thing he did.... there's nothing funny about it. But you have alot of grace for others. I don't see You say anything bad about people even when it's obvious. God bless ya bro
In other words, everything the first contractor did was wrong. The sad fact is that almost everyone gets stuck with incompetent tile contractors because that describes most of them. ---By the way, this is one of the very best channels by a skilled contractor that I've seen. Amazing to see the commitment to showing correct installation methods and discussing all aspects in great detail.
Sad to see things like this happen, a shower failure, not from the materials....but from lack of installer’s knowledge. It’s a sad thing when it does; regardless, we still need to keep learning especially for when these new materials & methods “come out”.
Cheers✌🏼
Man. I’ve watched so many so defiantly avoiding hit mop. Thanks for sharing
Not real issue here but I’ve seen enough to avoid hot mop and think when working
Isaac… I thoroughly enjoy watching your reno videos! If you ever want to make a couple thousand mile trip over here to MD… I have a bathroom that needs a complete overhaul. It’s bad! Haha
Here’s an idea for anyone working on a budget.
Hit your budget goal and then save for an additional year and get the actual contractor you need. Do not shop on a budget for a contractor.
💯 percent this is what happening with me I’m a contractor and I charge little bit more than the average but people just want to do the job cheaper and then they will spend more money later to redo the job again
@@bluegenie840 it always happens like that when people don’t educate themselves either with videos, word of mouth or some other way than just handing out money and hoping.
You're the man.... Thank you so much for all of these videos!
Every time I see one of these videos with the gross tile shower floor, I appreciate the plastic E M Mustee one piece shower base in my house. I do like tile on the walls, though
LOOKS LIKE THE FIBER BOARD WAS WICKING FROM THE PAN. NOT THE NAILS. LOVE THE SHOW!
Exactly!!!
I rebuilt my curb with pressured treated 2x4 wrapped with hardi board. So far it is holding up well. About 8 years and tiles are still firmly in place with no cracks. I put no or screws in the hardi board on top of the curb. I glued it down.
Great video man! You got me thinking about doing the same!! Ever thought about using like an MLath 25 instead of chicken wire? What are your thoughts on the differences between the two?
I make my curb with concrete. Never fails
THANKS TO YOU ISAAC I use the artex 8 plus 9 over schliuter board and i know its water proof...like a swimming pool...keep up the great videos to show what causes water leakage and tile failures.
Schlueter is by far the BEST product out there!
I have never tiled a shower with hot mop nor do I like the schulter foam pans, all sand topping mix. I use the liner,then the sand topping mix and I even take it a step further I use mapei membrane and aqua defense on the step just in case.
Everything absolutely every wall covered with 2 coats of aqua defense, niches and benches sometimes 3 coats maybe over kill but I like doing it that way.
I'm a DIYer. I did my shower and tub surround in my house. I know you don't use Hardie backer and you don't nail anything on the curb. I used Durock on my walls with a PVC pan over mud pack. I did that in my last house as well and there were no problems with the shower after 15 years. No nails in the Durock below 6" I made the curb from treated 2x4s and after wrapping with the liner I mudded them in. I also tiled my floor in the bathroom over DitraHeat. My substrate is 1 1/4" of plywood (2 layers of 5/8" glued and nailed.
When it comes to durock, You are using the rite materials. I'm a contractor and let me tell you this, there is nothing that can and will replace durock rite now.
They can come out with 100 different new materials and it mite look cool, or easier to work it but it ain't better than durock . I done my first bathroom around 17 years ago with a little of experience and i used durock. Those bathroom are still in perfect shape. I know that cause i did it to the members of my family.
I understand that there is some materials out there that is easier to work with than durock, but i always do my research to find out if i should use it instead of durock. Some of them are just 2 expensive, or have too many problems
A mistake with treated wood, it can warp over time once it dries out if not enough screws in it, really doesn’t matter what you use now that you have a pan liner
Over it completely tbh
It's amazing how insidious water is. Really takes a lot of thinking and planning to outsmart it.
But never as insidious as scummy contractors.
I find metal lead pans under the old mud beds here in the Midwest. I actually have the same type tile pan in my own home built in 1960. It's still in use today with no visible leaks. I'll replace it with Pasco liner or latticrete Hydro ban liquid liner. That hot mop system belongs on the roof.
California produces a lot of asphalt and they try to put it everywhere
DiY my self i learn a lot from you video.Thinking about doing my shower after watching most of your videos.Thank you.
So do you rip the whole shower out or a 1/3 down rebuild if they like the shower?
Anything cementitious from backer board to thinset will wick moisture over time. Is it better than sheetrock, yes. But even hardy backer or durock should be kept up away from the pan.
Durock won’t rot it will wick like mud does. Hardie is garbage
I fixed my shower that has curb just like that. They used green board under the tiles which eventually failed. I ripped it out and built it back with pressure treated 2x2s. Then I wrapped it with hardi board. I used liquid nails to put the hardi board on so there are no holes for water seep thru. It’s been 7 years and so far it has held up well.
I think you can still repair the existing shower, it's just a matter of cleaning down what is damaged and make it water proof again using red gard or other water proofing system, and then replace the missing tile.
I think so to i have done quite a few shower pan repair jobs it can be done i get he rather do the whole bathroom but it can be done
I think the problem is that if that is messed up who knows what else is wrong. If I was fixing someone else's mistake I'd rather do everything right so you can now guarantee that it won't fail since you did the work
thanks for the vid ...such useful information
Hi! Great Videos! Can you make a video on leveling the walls studs or shimming them to install backer board? There are not many good videos of this procedure. When I redid my shower my walls were way out of plum. Also when I reinstalled the new backerboard exactly where the tiles were there was not enough stud support for areas of the backer board. So I needed to add some studs. Thanks!
if the stud is "proud"' 'sticking out farther than the others , make some relief cuts on the face and ass where ever the bulge is most pronounced 1/4 -1/2" , alternately , push the stud flush with his neighbors ,take a length of 2x4 and screw it to stud flush with neighbors , if stud is shy , either reverse process or rip strips of 2x and make up the difference and add them to stud
Hey tile coach I love all you’re videos man I’m here in Citrus Heights I just have a cuestión about some Matt finish tile I did stone Looking tile
My cuestión is what’s the best wed look sealer 13:34 to use on shower walls and floor I wanna make it wed look
Thank you and great job u do man 👍
Have you tried the kbrs hard curb with the self-healing top I just installed one just wondering
great job tc! hey i have the sam eshower need your help. the water was shooting onto the forward shower wall where, thinly cracked and chiped grout was there for a long time, so now the 6inch wall cavity behind the shower wall that is getting the water hit with, is leaking or molding at the bottom trim level. odors of mold. So is that means the backerboard or pan membrane is broke? no other leaks , what to do? how do you prove it to the builder warranty? thank you!
Aloha Isaac, I enjoy your videos have you done one on multiple showers point
Thanks Isaac, you’re great coach. I had never used the wired mesh over the curb underneath my tile. Always build my curbs with a single marble over the cement boards (drilled through and waterproof liquid membrane over) the inner tile under the marble threshold it’s my concern. I will try the mesh
Your method is better.
Go with a solid curb top.... granite or quartz.
And use epoxy grout.
Every time I see one of these videos about tile floor showers all the time, I appreciate the plastic E M Mustee shower base in my house more than ever. I like tile on the walls, though.
@@MrNeptunebob I almost went with either a cast-iron or acrylic shower pan but didn't like the look. In the end, I hired a shower-builder who only builds showers the old- fashioned way.... with *mortar and lathe-on-studs.* Of course, with a mortar pan. These guys laugh when they hear anyone refer to chicken-wire as "lathe".
Solid top or tiles curb doesnt matter and is a cosmetic thing. It wasnt built properly to begin with.
Correct. No tiles on curb. So stupid
I am C54 contractor and honestly i don think everything was lost i think i will be able to salvage the shower and give a warranty on it some times it is easier to say lets rip it all apart and get and other job than to fix it
Durarock cement board will wick up the water and will stay intact 2:10 but will deteriorate anything behind it
If the water is getting behind the tile and thin set, does it really matter what they used for board.
Curbs for me work out great using 4 and 1 mapai and pouring our curbs solid. Rebar through the Crete and put over solid pins when on plywood epoxy set. Never had an issue. 257 showers to this day do not leak go figure. For dyi if you use these kits I call them you better pay close attention to the instructions and materials use for these kits or your going to have problems.
What do you think about doing a touchdown instead of Hot tar?
Do you have a how to video from the ground up of updating a shower? With all the supplies you used
This is why i do all and any work needed in my house...
So you can mess it up yourself?
I believe home owner should not just hire a licensed contractor, but a qualified licensed contractor with integrity and pride in his work.
Tear out all the floor tile, put a strip of hardibacker on top of the dam, put as many screws as you want in it. Then, Buy some laticrete membrane and hydro ban....and have a good time lathering the heck out of it, then tile aaaand voila!!! As for the rest of the walls and niche 🤷
America does not seem to be very advanced with liquid applied membranes....all your products we consider very low grade here in New Zealand. Neither of those is tankable, I would use something like MApeilastic Smart or Technokolla ADV Advance or Kerakoll Aquastop Nanoflex...all these are tankable membranes meaning they can take standing water and reverse pressure.
breaks my heart,as i went thru some bad contractors,just didnt care, and phoney,uneducated,but took the money, laughing all the way,im serving him a court date .
I hear ya. Sister has a 1 month old shower already failing. Contractor won't do anything
sorry,document everything,half the job is finding good people
So you mentioned on several occasions about avoiding penetrations into the curb. I was wondering, on a longer curb how would you install the retainer for the sliding glass door that requires screws to go down into the curb?
Magic, lol looking at this I highly. Doubt any top curb pens caused the damage, setting the Hardie into the pan it wicked up for sure. This shower would've been saved with some spacing under the boards and waterproofer like Redgard,Aqua defense etc etc
Shower pans are a liability, period. The grout gets nasty after a year or two. Buy a pre made shower pan. Second time at different house I’ve purchased Kohler cast iron shower pan and it will never get nasty or leak. Probably comparably priced to custom tiled shower base with less maintenance down the line. And you just need a decent tile guy/gal who can tile the walls.
Shower pans are way cheaper and faster. If you do a Schluter pan and membrane you are at $500 or more before tile and labour.
Durock will wick water as well buddy
Hardibacker will literally turn into mush, Durock will maintain its structure.
@@Slim-Pickens durock will maintain its structure yes, but it will definitely still wick water. I just pulled apart a shower that had durock and the water was wicked over a foot up. And I'd never put hardie backer in a wet area, waterproofed or not. Not to mention, I said nothing about hardie backer.
@@Slim-Pickens if youd like pictures of the tearout with the water wicked up the durock I can send them to you
Schlueter all the way!!!!!!
Contractors have license but the problem is they don’t do the job. They hire subcontractors to do it and the contract comes to inspect or after the job is done. That was the case for us. Can I send you pictures of my shower tiles half done when a subcontractor did for me ? Can you tell if it was dont properly?
go on sort it out for hi,m just at materials rate. or luz in a standard porcelain shower tray
Of all the tests you've performed, what is the best combination of products and best technique to achieve a waterproof shower?
I was going to say we really need to see what the proper way to do stuff is so we can check installers in our area. He talked briefly about the curb but not enough!
By far, the VERY BEST product on the market is SCHLUETER!!!
Awesome share. What can I paint over old tile and tile right on top right after. Can I paint red guard on top of the old tile and then tile right on top? Client doesn’t want to spend money on removing the old tiles.. thank you
Latticrete Hydro Ban.
Where I live is not require to be a licensed contractor to install tile, the only thing needed is an inspection of the shower liner and drain by the plumbing department Since I'm a licensed plumber also, the inspectors approve my showers without even showing up, they know my work.
how much does something like that cost, haha
@@kevinrogers4747 a plumbing license and a lot of years of experience
Honestly I hate fiber rock anywhere. Just pain in the ass to work with imo
When in doubt nail it down! Lol
I’m from the bay and usually we use deck mud
I could be wrong but I dont remember seeing hardie absorb water as to cause anything like that. But yes, I dont think any board should go all the way to the floor like that either
Hardibacker does not deteriorate under water. But yes no board should be below grade
@@dwightrapp4788 What can go bellow grade then?
Cement float
@@dwightrapp4788 thanks for the tip i will try to find out how to do that! Thank you again
Wedi, Schluter, Laticrete...any waterproof backer board can go into the pan. Notice top of curb has same problem and it's 4 inches above pan and perforated with nails. Use a topical waterproofingl and or sheet membrane. Using deck mud to hold backerboard tight at floor is fine if you use the right wall material in unison with your chosen pan/waterproofing system. If you hold backerboard above the deck mud you have to put a fastener in the flood area to hold it tight to the wall. If you allow the backerboard edge to float above the pan it will move with extreme changes in heat and humidity, crack the corner joint and allow water to get behind the board and wick up the wall anyway. Look into bonding flange drains and sheet membranes, I guarantee you will like this system.
I wish I would have made videos of all the crazy showers I’ve ripped out. The worse one was when the installer used visqueen for a pan liner. 🤷🏻♂️
What would happen if someone used and oatey system and only used an 1.5 in of concrete over their pan liner vs the full 2in?
Stucco netting sounds alot better than chicken wire.
What's the chicken wire for, Elwood?
@@deckmonkey1459
This house is located near the San Andreas fault line. If a quake were to rock this house....you know re-bar and cement will keep all the glass safe from a cracking 🤪🙃😂
Diamond lath
i have been using your videos to grill my contractors a$$ ... tile guy nails into the inner part of the curb (approximately 4 inches off ground) i question it... he tells me thats the only way to do it.... 10:50 in this video shows how to do it.... LOVE THE INFO
Brick River yeah you get what you pay for. Whatever it is, it’s not enough 😂
Tyler Crumley if I got what money paid for I’d have a shower glass installed without me having to line it up, a fully painted bathroom closet, and a shower value that goes cold to hot instead of hot to cold. RIP Benjamin Franklins
seems to me that tile was falling off the walls and mainly curb because of the FIBEROCK is not suitable to use below waterline and disintegrates with prolonged exposure to moisture. I didnt see a big deal with screws penetrating the hot mob into the curb.
Hey tell coach I'm installing Pebbles and I walk in shower and I need some recommendations for the type of thin-set that I need and the type of grout that I need
Isaac, good video. Did you check if there was any kind of slope on top of the curb before tearing it apart??
It has otherwise the water slopes oposite to the shower
I agree but Oatey’s instructional video actually shows putting the cement board in then shower pan mud up against.
grady 180 yes with Cement board. Not fiberboard/hardibacker.
Godfrey Nilluka So cement board won’t wick like he explained?
@@grady1807 cement board still wicks water but it retains three shape it had when wet. I still think it's a horrible idea to put cement board backers down into a pan like that... just asking for problems.
grady 180 it will still wick. But it doesn’t fall apart like fiberboard(hardie)
hot mop is old technology.
A moisture meter would help make your point.
Also here why would you tile the top of a shower curb. Too many grout lines. I have been tiling for 25 years and always use some type of cap stone. 1 solid piece! Again this guy would not be hired by me.
I use granite or quartz.
Hot Mop..... Brutal method for waterproofing shower pan.
Nothing works better when done correctly.
Schlueter is the best product on the market!!!
Go old school. Pvc shower pan. Chiken wire. Fat mud on walls. Deck mud on floors. It won't fail. Im a tile setter bay area cali.
The moral of the story in all these videos is to follow the manufacturer's instructions to the letter.If you are not sure about something just email the manufacturer and they should be able to answer your question and provide suggestions,including diagrams.And never mix different shower liner systems because you are likely to have problems.
Another problem that i see tile installer do, is installing tile on the curb top. I always install one big piece of marble and i would never install tile on it
We've been putting tile on top of curbs for many decades. It's not what's on top that matters it's the waterproofing underneath that matters. Duh...
@@taylorstevenson8069 i understand people do it, but it doesn't mean you should
Slope on wood, slope on liner, slope on mud...then liquid membrane entire curb and 9 inches up.
I know I do the same thing All the time and go see the older contractors and as pretty bad. And I live in Oklahoma City
What can I do if I already put the Hardy sheet inside the pan?
I have one of those pre made shower tubs, impossible to leak because it’s all one piece. Ugly but simple and reliable
Wait till it cracks then tell us how reliable and impossible it is for it to leak.
I replace those all the time. They do fail, it's just not worth it making a video of it.
Isaac was wondering why you never protect floors adjacent to your demo work?
Because he is not that smart!
Herbs body language says it all 🥲
Question how about making a custom fiberglass base with resin and chop strand mat and then tile over that? What your take guys? Thanks
Fibeglass is awful, nothing sticks to it and any exposed fibers can wick...we had a system sold here and it was shit...always avoided those installs like covid21....another bad product of fauci and gates!
So am I better off with ditra or a 40 mil pvc liner? Or would you recommend something else?
love it
Even though he used nails to hold them in he could have at least painted an redguard over it or something. Some people need to learn about materials and applications more cause there's always more than one way to do things but only an handfull that will work and not fail.
I get the screws were wrong but they aren't why the water got through the tile. Whats under the hotmop would be from the screws
Water always penetrates the grout and tile and mortar bed. Since the board wasn't waterproofed it got saturated and the integrity of the fiber in the board broke down and turned to mush.
Installer error
@@manuelvega2549 again he told the customer the reason the shower was junk is because of the screws. Which is bs
@@str8menace923 you're right he did say the screws were the reason but he also pointed out the the board was in the mortar bed (big no no) and the curb had no waterproofing so I think he covered it all
Sucks getting screwed like that.
Do you use grout sealer?
The best shower pan I ever seen was made from thick terrazzo.
You are correct. They are cool to see and rare. They can and do however crack. I had to etch and sand one to fill in the crack. Then used Elite Sealer. The customer was on a very tight budget and understood this was only a bandage. The plumber made sure the drain and trap was cleaned and clear. It's been well over a year now with no call.
Just wondering, would this be a complete rebuild or only the shower pan, curb, and lower part of the walls?
Most likely a rebuild, if the install was done poorly it's not worth leaving the rest up because it could also be done poorly. It's better to start over and know that its done right.
Basically since the original installer wasn’t licensed as required by law in California, no licensed tile guy will want to touch it. But technically it does look very salvageable to me.
MoneyManHolmes I was thinking the same thing. Such a shame when all of that beautiful tile has to be disposed of.
Most likely the niche wasn’t done right either and is slowly leaking into the wall.
I'm from the other coast, I didn't know showers are built with wire reinforcement in Cali (code?), is it because of the earthquakes?
Just keeps the mortar together. What do you use over there?
@@aptpupil no wires. just backer board>water seal>mortar>back buttered tiles
Terrazo precast shower base any day lol.
I'm old school, hot mop, paper, wire, scratch, cement and tile.
!!Problem solved!!
All the new stuff is commercialized.
Always scratch your walls before mudding.
100% quality..
Original contractor => putting the 'con' in contractor one bathroom at a time. We've experienced dozens of times!
I'm rebuilding my shower right now for the exact same reason. They buried the fiberock in the shower pan, and it was rotting, turning black, and weeping water over the curb and leaking.