NEW NICK CAVE INTERVIEW (Dec 20): Nick Cave talks about censorship and the cancel culture movement.
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A MASSIVE thanks to the Nick Cave fan-community and everyone else who saw the full press conference, when it was available here on Tiny TV. You all made me VERY happy and gave me the important confidence to continue my endeavors in creating an exciting CZcams channel for music-lovers. Stick around and be inspired.
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Excerpt 3/5 from the Nick Cave interview/press conference in Copenhagen, November 2020.
CORRECTION: The text in my video states that the press conference took place in December 2020. That is not true. It took place in November! My bad.
Welcome to "Nick Cave week" on Tiny TV 🖤 @nickcave
In this week, I will give you some of the best questions and answers from the first Nick Cave interview in 5 years! It took place as a press conference at The Royal Danish Library, December 2020. I was there as a representative for The Danish National Broadcasting Corporation (the radio channel "P6 BEAT") and Tiny TV.
By the end of "Nick Cave week", I will upload the entire press conference.
In this third excerpt Nick Cave expands on his thoughts about censorship and the cancel culture movement of 2020. Also great insights into the importance of the book Lolita.
Visit the Nick Cave exhibition "Stranger Than Kindness" in Copenhagen, Denmark: www5.kb.dk/en/dia/udstillinger...
Hear the P6 BEAT Nick Cave podcast we made after the press conference (Danish): www.dr.dk/radio/p6beat/p6-bea...
Questions to Nick Cave by: Mikkel Frey Damgaard (DR) and Michael Bach Kristensen (Kristeligt Dagblad)
All graphics by the mighty: Allan Tonning // tonning.tv
Graded by: Nis Boye Møller Rasmussen
Everything else: Me
A huge thanks to Christina Back (Head Of Exhibition, The Black Diamond @ The Royal Danish Library) and Allan Skov (Friendly PR) for making this interview happen and for sharing the video material.
A Tiny Media Production, 2021.
DISCLAIMER: I do not own the right to the music-snippets used in this video. They were composed to the Nick Cave exhibition "Stranger Than Kindness" and were given to my by kind permission from The Royal Danish Library. - Hudba
'We need the freedom to make mistakes'...Wonderfully put, thank you Nick
Yeah, I love that quote too Karin. It’s just so on point 🤩
isn't he ashamed to compare political correctness to religion after his son died of drugs?
stop exaggerating. he hates Christians
❤️
@@VictoriaMaxima hello
I saw this quote under a Bowie video that said something along the lines of, "You're alive at the same time as David Bowie. Remember that."
You're alive at the same time as Nick Cave. Remember that.
Brilliant artist. Thankful for his beautiful work. Hope to see him live one day
Thank you SO much for that sweet comment Jayson. Really appreciated when one tries to make the music and the artist come alive on CZcams. And your quote about Bowie is just SO on point! I felt EXTREMELY lucky, that I was actually able to interview Nick Cave. Really a great honour.
I am also alive AFTER William Blake, Shakespeare and Van Gogh, which to me is unforgettable - meaning that I am grateful that they are available to me.
I saw him in a small northern gig, Sheffield I think. He was quite funny, someone shouted the name of a early Birthday Party song and he said "yup, that's a good song, we haven't played it in 20 years, we're not gonna play it now." 😂
Nick Cave is a beacon of hope in this crazy-ass society we currently live in.
Very well spoken, indeed! I absolutely agree 🖤✊🏻
Beacon of hope for who? Alcoholics?
I read that as "a bacon of hope'
@@OkaySoShit People who care about music and art.
This man not only is an amazing musician , but he speaks so eloquently and has so much to offer !! Go Nick
Lolita might be the most misunderstood book of all time. Not surprised that Cave is a fan.
Kenny G should not take his boots on Nick Caves desk
😂👌🏻 I LOVE THIS COMMENT! 😂👌🏻💅🏻🥳
I thought it was Mick Hucknall.
Such an arrogant and disrespectful thing to do.
hahahhahah
😄🤣I thought it was the guy from Simply Red. 🤭
He perfectly summed up the madness of cancel culture and society as it is now.
Thanks for posting. It's always a tremendous pleasure to hear Nick's ideas. Love him!
Thank you so much for watching and making such a sweet comment Rocío. Much appreciated :-D
I am so much thankful for this opportunity to
Present there with you.
Best wishes.
Love
I have introduced my sons and my grandsons to Nick and we all love him. Son and grandsons saw the movie together and son and I have been to concerts! I think that states his ability to get to all kinds of people.
We are now legislating the world for the most suggestible people out there rather than the people that can deal with subtlety and nuance
This is the end point of “liberal democracy” and that’s why it must be consigned to the dustbin.
Mr. Cave is a man of few words,and everyone of them is in the right place. A real Gentleman
since Bowie left us, Nick is the nr.1 experimental musician on the planet....... hope this fine artist stays with us as long as possible
@@danjackson6418 Can you give some examples of great experimental musicians ? Would love to take a listen.
@@mormantu8561 Try "Swans"
Wow, I was thinking all this time who he reminded me of.
@@danjackson6418 Nick and Bowie have nothing to do with the experimental label. They weren't part of some niche genre. They're genius songwriters, freethinkers.
@@danjackson6418 I really don't think duma, daughters or chealse wolfe are experimenting or creating something new. Most of these groups are just cloning ideas that had been long used in the 70-80s in the industrial scene and are still used in the power-electronics, dark ambient or post-industrial scene... Try Throbbing gristle/ Psychic TV, esplendor geometrico, coil, mauricio bianchi, klaus schulze, early einsturzende neubauten, early swans, brian eno, current 93...
I haven’t decided whether Hugo Weaving will play Nick Cave in the movie or if Nick Cave will play Hugo Weaving in the movie.
Hugo will have to fight it out with Ben Mendelssohn and Noah Taylor for the role.
It’s all about the hairline…or lack there of.
Thanks for wonderful interview .We need more Nick s
Real art, music and literature is under attack. This canon of work must be protected. I wish more people in the music industry would speak up like Nick does. Yes, it is coming for music too.
It's nothing new, though. Remember the "satanic panic"? I find it quite puzzling how this person, asking that question comes up with christianity as the supposed rescuer of the arts and the freedom f expression, while it's always been the sanctimonious god-believers demanding books to be removed from (public!) libraries; stickers on music productions "warning" us for "explicit language" (and hearing all sorts of "demonic indoctrination", playing records backwards, which is what the 'satanic panic' was about, something that lead to "goth" kids in a bible belt town in the US to be convicted of a murder they weren't guilty of, supposedly committed during a satan worshiping ritual). And if you've noticed the protests, coming from every (political) direction, when a company like Netflix, having bought the rights to the works of Roald Dahl to then start altering these texts because of what they fear might be perceived as "offensive," it makes one wonder who the people of such a company have in mind when they think that this is what the general public wants.
Absolute legend, I once opened for nick at an open mic (poetry) night in Brisbane Aus... he really is a poet
Nick is such a beautiful person and one of our greatest thinkers!
Nick's expression (the little diverted glance & grin because he had to digest it a bit) at 6:52 after that disturbingly-worded awkwardly-delivered question made this one for me lmao, altogether get and profound interview but that was a special Nick you brought out with that one.
So refreshing to hear people speak truth to power.
Such an underrated artist and poet. Yes, Nick, a poet. Smart man
Overrated. He killed own son
Some powerful words from Nick. I wish I could have been there
isn't he ashamed to compare political correctness to religion after his son died of drugs?
As usual, Nick lays it out as eloquently as anyone could.
I would rather see all those writers continue their broad circulation and keep their admirers. If I find Nabokov, Miller, Roth, Pynchon, even Faulkner, to be nauseating for their provocations and machismo, I still want to be able to dispute their works' merits freely and intelligently. If I cow readers into a corner by saying their moral standing is at stake because of their literary tastes and perspectives, I'm robbing myself of taking that book down honestly. Or conversely, I may rob myself of the opportunity to lose an argument and learn that the book has virtues I lacked the patience to find.
Well said.
But that's the difference between wanting to learn,think and grow as opposed to wanting to set an agenda.
"I think there's too much talk about sins and not enough about virtues."
"What would be your number 1?"
"I think forgiveness has been highly underrated."
- Calvary
Brilliant! I totally agree with him about the right to be individuals, and the right to make decisions on our own. I read Lolita if I hadn’t I don’t think I would have feel in love with literature and words. Cancel culture is an extremely dangerous movement and one that needs to be stoped
Hear hear!!!!
yes, and then people might learn to spell better, if nothing else. No, i totally agree.
@@danandersen813 what’s your point? I don’t understand how this has anything to do with what i said.? 😳😳
@@jamebeach168 fallen angel,hah?
what do you like the best? feel or fallen?
The topic discussed here I believe is indeed vital . How ideas put forward by a few come to have a wide influence . These ideas may be of great benefit or the opposite . Our individual responsibility is to learn how to sift and reflect on the degree of validity and truth within any statement and to act appropriately on our findings . Countering untruth or partial truths and supporting that which we find to be open helpful and true .
You can find the ever-growing list of 'banned words' for CZcams, on CZcams. Over 2000 words.
Love this man.
That's great. Thanks for uploading it. There are actually very few people who listen to someone like Nick.
Thanks for watching and commenting Tejas. Much appreciated 🙏🏻
He's quite a big star....
something about him looks so friendly!
thank you!
This bloke is brilliant!
Based Nick Cave
So true. The world seems to have forgotten forgiveness, mercy, understanding. Jesus was right about forgiveness, and not just forgiving your friends and family when they mess up. Forgive everyone.
do you have the whole press conference somewhere? I cannot find it. thank you :)
I love his comment about Woke culture being the opposite of the Christian idea of grace. Just brilliant.
I studied literature at university, and indeed Lolita was dropped from our curriculum. However, I still read it, so did many others. There was place to discuss it too. These books have been read and discussed extensively, they form part of our culture. In one way or another - so for example with Nick Cave’s unreliable character-narrators - we run into them in a lot of the media we consume, new media too.
Removing from curricula is not censorship, that is an unfair comparison which frames it as an attack which we need to defend ourselves against. What mostly happened was that more was included, so we were exposed to more, instead of the same literature as always. This was still discussed indirectly and papers, used as examples, and very much part of the conversation.
Censorship is something I consider quite grave, and I do think we generally are getting less capable of treating controversial topics, avoiding important perspectives and moral questions about sympathy for criminals, for example.
But I would be very careful to overuse the term censorship, precisely because it does not allow for a nuanced perspective in the conversation about why one would diversify the curricula in the first place. You run the risk of staying stuck in the old way of doing things, getting frustrated with change, perhaps because it touches your own sense of identity, and then become disproportionately against any intellectual movement or person trying to change things without letting it speak as to why it is changing. It might have good reasons if you let it speak and listen.
I am disappointed by this simple view of Cave’s. Expected more of him than the “THEY are taking this away from US”. So alarmist and simplistic as the whole “cancel culture” conversation has become. He tries to set himself apart from that in the end, but what he brings to the table here only adds to this same noise. “We need the freedom to make mistakes” and some babbling about christianity.
@@esssttt I too am disappointed on his take about the whole movement, however saying that I suspect Nick is trying to just put out fires and play it down as he does not want to be seen as another muppett speaking about cancel culture, the iv was also highly edited and did not portray the real metaphor of Nick as we know him. Further to this I may add that the uncut interview goes a lot deeper and he is not babbling...
Poor Nick seems as disturbed by the whole situation as I am
¿Alguien sabe dónde puedo encontrar la entrevista completa? ):
I would recommend anyone to watch the film "Mother and Son" and then to read Nick Cave's review.
I admire this guy.
Nice!
I've been a huge fan of Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds for nearly thirty years, but this is actually the first time I've heard (and seen) him speak, and not sing. I thought this point of view was very interesting and persuasive, and I greatly enjoyed listening to him. I agree with a lot of his points of view, regarding the effects of cancellation on literature and historiography.
However, I'm mostly taken with how much he seems like he's Sam Neill.
He has a blog called the Red Hand Files where people send in questions and he shares his thoughts. Well worth a read. Really intelligent and perceptive guy
@@ohwellwhateverr Thanks!
This will be the hill I'll die on, there will be no choice.
Beautiful interview. Nick, you're a candle in the dark. It's just absurd to act as if a book about an immoral character means the author endorses whatever transpires in the book. I'm deeply distressed and saddened about the.....the tides. I'm a bit younger than Nick but I'm very troubled by the simplistic, black and white, good guy bad guy, ideological purity sort of culture. Put a gun in the hands of 'cancel culture' and you have a Reign of Terror or a Cultural Revolution. And I don't want my reading list to have to pass a party line. Any bloody party or clique or movement. It's conformism and cliquish viciousness and a multilateral hermeneutics of suspicion, all in a parody of righteousness.
Curtis clown
writers adored in one generation the next generation doesn't have have the same values when it comes to books and guess what society has always been crazy, always..clawing and trying to hold on to what is familiar is a sign your growing old
8:20 "..everything is groovy, everything is fiiine!!"
are we pushed more and more into a direction, made up or controlled by others, always in the direction of fear
The great thing about this is Nick will probably upset that clique of Guardian readers* who adore him.
*not all Guardian readers
Not to upset that other clique of Guardian readers, but fuck the Guardian.
That’s bound to have already happened given his view on boycotting Israel.
Just as with this, I thought he articulated his position beautifully and has clearly given it a lot of thought.
Sadly with those people he’s more likely to be cast out of the society of decent people than change any minds.
I’m increasingly coming to the view that Prof John McWhorter is right, we’re dealing with religious belief, not like religious belief but actual religious belief. Convincing someone who thinks this way that trying to purify the past, or boycott entire countries because of some actions of the governments is misguided is no more likely than talking a Christian out of belief that Jesus rose from the dead.
@@daffyduck4674 it’s very hard to reason someone out of a position they never reasoned themselves into to begin with. People would be better served boycotting the US or China if they wanted to create a bigger impact. Both do many times more harm than Israel. Hence he is correct on that as well.
@@cannibalholocaust3015 I think Cave’s point, and it’s mine as well that whatever you may think of a particular government, cultural/academic or artistic boycotts are a repugnant idea.
yes, worth a thought, forgiveness, or the opposite, you're out, is too brutal as he puts it.
Dear Middle Wood - Doubt and Uncertainty are creative responses and not to be let go of in order to allay discomfort . Honest doubt
No certainly not "in order to", however, faith/being born-again/new life in Christ is not an intellectual position, it is a spiritual reality. Sorry I deleted my comment because I realised I posted it on the wrong video - I meant it for the full-length interview
Dear Middle Wood thanks for your response - I’m happy for you in your spiritual reality . However I don’t believe in one and only one answer to the spiritual quest . Also I don’t believe that all paths are one and the same . Individuals are at different stages on the Great. Search for meaning , purpose and Truth .
What is clear to me is that kindness awareness and energy in pursuit of the Good The True and the Beautiful will serve us well .
Every Good Wish
Sumana
As an artist whose exhibitions have got boycotted sometimes, even by some fellow artists, due to this current social craziness, I would say that if this new fanaticism keeps growing in this trend of not considering the context and the nuances contained in a work of art, these fanatics will end up stating that a painting of Jesus in the cross is an apology of assassination and torture. This cancel culture has not just a lot of extreme and superficial morals, denial, ignorance and a lack of common sense, but it fundamentally suffers a terribly severe mental dissociation when it comes to associate an artwork with its context and content, and when it comes to associate human beings with their own psychological issues, depths and emotions. Basically this cancel culture is the outcome of a mental social disorder that makes human individuals being unable to differ what a human is from an ideology, therefore they end up assuming that human beings are not individuals, nor humans, but just the un-personal and un-human manifestation of an ideological collective. Basically a tool of social and human control, a tool of power and alienation, a brutal tool of power and control, brutally applied in the name of social ethics and social progressiveness.
I wonder how Nick's role in the ghosts of the civil dead would go down today ?
Is Faulkner on the verge of being cancelled!??? No frikkin way!!! It's a bad time for art..
Well, they've already banned Mark Twain in some states, so why not Faulkner?
hmm makes me calm down a little
good ole nick
They can cancel Dr. Suess, but they can't cancel the Grinch himself; Nick Cave:)
Dr Seuss Enterprises cancelled the books themselves, there was zero pressure from anyone - it was an internal decision. There is no "they" - there was no mob with burning torches. The company decided the books didn't best represent the company's image in 2021. That is all. Anyone who tells you anything else is just plain wrong.
@@knocknapeasta That's called heading it off at the pass.
If it weren't for the current hoopla; I hardly imagine Suess Enterprises electing to do that out of the blue.
@@lahaza6515 No doubt current media trends played a role, however discontinuing dated content is hardly a new concept. Look up the Censored Eleven from Warner Brothers, that happened in the 60s. The crows in Dumbo have been heatedly discussed since Richard Schickel's book The Disney Version in 1968. In the late 20th century, Tintin in the Congo became increasingly controversial for both its racist colonial attitude toward Congolese people and for its glorification of big-game hunting. Accordingly, attempts were made in Belgium, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the United States to either ban the work or restrict its availability to children. My point is that the reassessment of historical works is nothing new, it is actually always happening, but because racial inequality is trending in the media this particular case is getting more heated attention that it ever would have before. These kind of lamented controversies are just a distraction by mainstream media from the world's real problems.
“If we don’t have forgiveness we don’t have freedom”
That’s a feature not a bug
Ah Nick! I am in good company taking the demise of books personally. It hurts me to see books and the very language shoved aside as if there is no worth to them!
isn't he ashamed to compare political correctness to religion after his son died of drugs?
People who enable cancellation of artists etc are narcissists feeding their bloated ego. Makes them feel powerful. They sicken me.
Art is the weapon with which we must fight the madness of, "Cancel Culture" and the authoritarian zealots who are absolutely and demonstrably incapable of understanding nuance, context, history, and the nature of our humanity.
Wield it well, folks, the weapon of expression and creativity. May your aim be true and your blows powerful.
Also, I agree with Cave. There is a sort of tackiness to the alliteration of, "Cancel Culture." It is more subtle, more insidious than it seems to be regarded.
I don’t think bringing more art would help, as the people that embrace “cancel culture” and it’s way of thinking are not art consummers really, or if they are, their understading of it is quite limited and very black and white, whereas art is all about nuances and paradoxes and contradiction, metaphors and symbols. What these people need is some dose of common sense , rationality, patience to actually discuss and exchange ideas, points of view, etc. The willingness to listen and understand the deeper layers of different issues. My two cents only…
“Because everyone is guilty for everyone else. For all the 'wee ones,' because there are little children and big children. All people are 'wee ones.' And I'll go for all of them, because there must be someone who will go for all of them.” And we all have to forgive to each other, for everything.
Dostoevsky
Should be a politician, so glad he didn’t buy into the shit. Why bother, history has proved that creative intelligence is lost on modern day politics
Whats the intro song name?
Good question! I actually do not know. Think it is uniquely produced for the "Stranger Than Kindness" exhibition 🙏🏻
czcams.com/video/l5I2vEcVC_I/video.html
Freedom to learn by making mistakes: in relation to the book canceling: in that way we also can't learn from the mistakes of others anymore. Yet the cancel culture merely looks at those books as if they only inspire to copy that bad behavior. So now you're stripped from your responsibility look at things carefully and this is replaced by narrow-minded ideological doctrine.
As I guess , I'm right , that "Stranger than Kindness" ; Is the last Song that Nick wrote w/ Anita Lane , what makes me again unbelievebale sad................................
R.I.P. Anita 😔
@@TinyTV_DK .....No ;( ::
@@TinyTV_DK .....No :( ......instead a :) ..... scients located the brain point , where the conciousness lies .... .......but , that is ALL what they found about it until NOW .... as long as no one founds out , that when it is fact , that someone to found out that the conciousness can die , when the body also dies ( Which I can not imagine will ever be the case , just because there is no possibe point , a n y being NEEDS a thing like it , so why point out why it is there at ALL ??? - you are born , you die ... ... & that in such a short amount of time , that the soul -if you want it to call this way-....that I am CONVINCIED THAT THE CONCIOUSNESS MUST EXIST, a very , very long before we were. born , probably before our parents even mate ..... ....and again why would any form of life even we ...humans could communicate through grunt louds ..... and the case would be settled , so despite the fact we not really need it (!!!!) : iT IS STILL THERE !!! ....if you believe in reincarnation / (which I only do from a philosophical bhuddist view , but I Can imagine it .... ... ......that our conciouss ( WITH THE GOOD THING THAT WE ALWAYS FORGET IN OUR FORMER LIFE OR REINCARNATION OTHEWISE ; WE ALL GO MAD)......... EXISTS SINCE TIME BEGAN........
and again , if it isn't necessary , .... why it is there , if not for the reason we can be reincarnated , go to heaven or anything else that allows us to BE, after in all beings to exist on .... and in Anita's case , it will be no other way , that in also all other beings... ...Sure , at first I was overhelmed by sadness , that is (At least in my case) , always so, when I hear about the PASSING of a human or other being that I was close to.... But also now my sadeness made way for happyness , that now I AM HAPPY for Anita , she could leave her mortal body , at a certain point , just her empty shell behind and has now the chance for new, exciting adventures , maybe soon in another body,,,...and maybe if I SEE a Butterfly someday ,,,,, I will give it a chance , and say : "hi, ANITA" ...... :) (Please excuse my bad english, but , to train it and become more fluently , I write huge letters like this one,,,,,,,) ;)
..nah bro explain the lolita paragraph thing right now
Mange tak fra en Canadian med en Danske mor! (hope I wrote that well haha I speak danish but, shamefully, can hardly write it)
Thank you soooo much And I. Your written Danish is beautiful. Thanks for stopping by, watching Tiny TV and commenting 🖤
I think Nabokov is a comedy writer, he's funny.
Almost nobody seems to understand that Lolita is satirical.
Lolita movie with Jeremy Irons, one of my favourite actors is just fascinating.
It's the Religious Right that will burn the most art.And individuals will carry out the work.It's the cruelty that is the point.
Sold out to Israeli apartheid in 2017
the reason for 'cancelling' may be 1. globalization / uniformization ideology, imposed on societies 2. the fact that social platforms instituted equality of opinion between the wise and idiot (which may be wise in some cases, but idiotic in most)
I want to see a fireside chat of Jordan Peterson with Nick Cave now.
Dude, get your shoes off the desk!
Yessir! ✊🏻🥂🎸 They will be gone, when you come to visit the exhibition 🤩
10:40
Cancel culture and censorship is not new. How much has been cancelled from the real history of humanity in our school's history lessons????
why is censorship a thing?
we need history to be purged
so the IA can learn and propagate the best version of ourselves
and we be reasoning like algorithms anyway
BDS
It would be very interesting if Jordan Peterson would have a conversation with Nick.
- I’d also like to see Bret Weinstein, and Gad saad in conversation with Nick.
music is mistakes
Just remember even though Nick doesn’t like cancel culture hes publically spoken out about right wing nuts as well, he’s left leaning if anything, right wingers he’s not for u lol
Or he’s just a regular person
@@poolboyofficial7148 hell ya just a dude with opinions on either side all the way to the middle that's what everyone should try to be instead of factioning up and being told what to think
Cancel culture is ubiquitous.
Many right wingers used it in the past to try and ban violent videogames and metal bands.
There are sensible left wingers (and right wingers, of course) who deplore cancel culture.
There is no cancel culture. I wish there was. I wish people like Chris Brown and Mel Gibson didn't get to continue making millions.
Thank you for making cancel culture ridiculous Nick.
cancellation culture doesn't exist, m oron
@@OkaySoShit hey pillock brain, I wonder why people are reacting to something you believe doesn’t exist?
@@MB-uw6eh like your brain
If there's one thing Christianity is NOT about, it's forgiveness. As far as I can tell, it's more about fetishised punishment--at least in America. We don't care if you're sorry; we just want to watch people be eviscerated and hope that our weaknesses don't eventually fall into the realm of 'socially reprehensible.' (I do personally believe in the practice of forgiveness, but there are caveats--habitual offenders are prone to defaulting to the demand for forgiveness from the people they abuse, because kindhearted people are easily guilted into allowing abuses to continue.)
Do something with the volume differences, I almost lost my hearing.
Amatures.
Sure thing. Will do my very best to fix that in my coming videos. Thanks for watching and for commenting 🙏🏻
Amateurs is the spelling you are seeking.
There always was a cancel culture. Many books and films were and still are prohibited. So there isn't any difference with earlier days nore is there a trend. I think it's more or less the same group of people that is against anything that isn't strictly christian or otherwise religious. It's exactly where the right wing or conservative groups stand for, to bring back the old days.
Christians and conservatives are only being cancelled by the left. Be it publications, media, academia, social networks, music and film industries.
@@yannisch4741 nonsense, they claim to be canceled but that's only in their twisted minds. Society was never more free than it is now. Therefor there is more discussion about things but that has nothing to do with cancel culture. It's just because conservatives don't like criticism, they can't stand it. If it were up to them there was only one rule, their rules. Look at how they oppose homosexuality women rights and abortion. They act as if homosexuality is a thread to them. Why would that be a thread? Nobody tells them to be gay. They oppose all the freedom we fought for in the last 50years. Live and let live is our parole.
@@yannisch4741 you’re exactly correct, and this idiot Tony talking about how "it’s only in the conservatives twisted minds" is either ignorant or lying. You’d have to be an absolute fool not to see which side the cancel culture is bent on silencing.
The thing is it isn’t just conservatives and Christians. It’s now a agenda with in leftist politics. It’s creeping in to school, colleges, university’s, tv, radio, film, journalism, this is the most extreme it’s been for sometime.
Is this guy for real? Has to be a joke 😂
Pretty sure the point is to make the present a better place, but yeah... always fun to watch old people talk about how society is changing for worse because they grew up in different times with different values. 🤷♀ Also, hilarious how he goes on this moronic rant and then when asked "why?" he doesn't know. Maybe talk with those you were just criticizing to find out "why?"
Also, Nick, you never were an "individual." It was a lie sold to you.
Cancelling art and freedom of speech does not make for a better present. Its the first step towards communism. Its not about age its about common sense. Your comment is a moronic rant, and the fact that you think there is no individualism is hilarious. You can only see yourself as part of a collective hive mind which means you have been sold a lie........wake up.
@@conradbarnard5807 Brilliantly spoken /said
HAHAHA. So you want Christian idea of "forgiveness" back into society, as if it ever left, so that those with privilege can have the freedom to say whatever they want and call them "mistakes?" HAHA. Here's an idea, why don't you start by introducing the concept of reflection into your life, reflecting on the mistakes you've made so you can better understand that a) not everyone has the "freedom" to speak their minds in the same way b) not everyone has the freedom to make mistakes, equally and c) maybe you don't have to say every moronic thought that comes to your mind...
Maybe we do have to say every moronic thought that comes to your mind? Or at least not fear them. Sometimes those are what is needed. Sometimes those are what other fear to express and serve as relief to other minds as well. Are there more or less moronic/intelligent questions and thoughts to express? Sure, and we should strive toward greater understanding, right? But shame is a tool of ignorence, fear, which might lead to hate, despite and eventually violence (morality put aside)
Ps. Haha, I didn't get the joke ☝️🥴
In the United States, “cancel culture” refers to powerful people actively shaming and erasing those outside the political duopoly: those who have no power, through lack of social standing and/or money. Right-wing pundits have cancelled us from society and from the sphere of political discussion because we want to better the country and the world for all of the population. This would be inconvenient for lobbyists and major media figures who would need to cede power to the “wrong” sort of people.
For attempting to improve material living conditions for all, we are ridiculed by the right-wing (and often fascist) establishment and the Democratic establishment as well. Note how little power leftists have despite the immense popularity of the programs we favor. I couldn’t help see the parallel between the cancellation of Jeremy Corbyn and that of the “Bernie wing.”
Here the term is being used in an entirely different manner. May I remind Nick that we don’t all come from literary lineage? My father was as dumb as rocks and had one goal in life. He wanted to imprison or execute all socialists and communists. This is a quite common sentiment in the United States. It didn’t start with any recent figure. I’m the first person in that branch of the family to get a college degree (as well as a passport). These are the figures who have been canceling people and ideas for millennia.
Back to Nick and his background of educators. Fine for him to read ‘Lolita’ at a young age. For many in the uneducated sphere, consider the dangers of the Turner Diaries and other publications of violence. It’s not as simple as some people think to deal with a wide range of ideologies. Violence towards leftists, immigrants, women, the unhoused etc. is embraced by those who now have a name for laws that protect the vulnerable: Cancel Culture.
Ya it's the right that's canceling people. Thanks for that I needed a good belly laugh living in this dystopian nightmare people like yourself have created
I’m sorry, but where exactly is this oppressive “cancel culture” he is talking about. He says “if you make a mistake and your life is over then you don’t have the freedom to make mistakes”. Who is ending anyone’s life? Opinions about art and history are subjective and we are also free to change them. We are allowed to lower our opinion of something or someone if we know it is associated with something abhorrent. We shouldn’t ban it. We shouldn’t end the life or even criminally punish anyone involved. But there is nothing that says I have to like the same books Nick likes or that an association with racism isn’t an OK reason for me to not like a price of art.
Cancel culture has always existed. People have for centuries often written off the art and ideas of people because they were black or poor or women or gay etc. Opinions are subjective and are often led by prejudice and injustice. But now that some people try to undo this history of injustice, we call it “cancel culture” and say it will choke creativity.
i love nick, but his paranoia about "people coming to take art away from him" is absolutely absurd. nobody wants or is going to do it, thats a false narrative. he himself should know best that in reality it is necessary for the suppressed to critique and abolish institutionalised and philosophised forms of their suppression, that also sometimes means pointing towards uneasy parts of our culture and past. the point here is definitely not about "taking that away", quite the contrary it is about showing how harmful our society can be and especially how much more harmful it was. art is just a marker of that. while he seems kinda chill about it, and i like his last answer a lot, this take really aint it my man.
i completely agree with you, but i also feel like for completeness' sake we should acknowledge two other points. One is that i think nick is generally very aware of that duty of art to be with the oppressed - on his new album there's a lyric celebrating the removal of statues of white supremacists, for instance. Another is that, while I agree that it's always necessary to re-evaluate the canon in light of the values of the present, there is definitely some mob mentality in cancel culture, and I think occasionally it really does go too far. We're nowhere near the kind of wholesale rejection of "problematic" art that Nick seems afraid of, nor do I think we ever will be, and it worries me to see him buy into that narrative, but it's also not like cancel culture is harmless. I think Nick would probably agree with us (and with most, but sadly not all, serious progressives) that the solution isn't to get rid of Lolita, it's to present it critically and contextualize it properly, as a problematic, but nonetheless extremely important and worthwhile text, and thus give people the tools to fairly evaluate it for themselves.
@@littlejimdavies30 ok yeah i'm not agreeing with this guy at all. people copmaring cancel culture to the stasi or the SS clearly have the historical awareness of a spoiled baby. holy crap.
"he himself should know best that in reality it is necessary for the suppressed to critique and abolish institutionalised and philosophised forms of their suppression"
1. critiquing and abolishing is not the same thing, and the idea that one follows the other is the entire crux of the issue.
2. An ideology can tell you that you are suppressed, and ideology can make you think there are insitutionalised and philosophised (what even is a "philosophised" form of oppression?) forms of your supposed oppression.
3. To think that it is in reality necessary to do any of these things is being ignorant to the multitude of violent revolutions that were justified in exactly the same way, it is not productive let alone necessary.
Clearly, going by the fact that actors are getting cancelled nearly every week now, for seemingly the smallest inconsequential thing, like daring to write something on twitter, is exactly "taking away art" Johnny Depp nearly lost his career because of a woman's lies, he got cancelled faster than anything and he's a beloved actor. To think that this couldn't happen to just about anyone who's seen as having any sort of public platform, is insane, you've clearly not actually followed the developments in the last year or so.
Furthermore, i've decided that i'm oppressed by the institutional oppression of government, so by your logic the following conclusion is that we abolish the government. What a great plan, because that hasn't ever been done before, how was it Marx wanted it to be done? Oooh right, the complete abolishment of any percieved corrupt institution, because that has worked great for communists in the past, i mean, we are practically overwhelmed by nations that has followed this methodology and hasn't turned into a murderous totalitarian dictatorship.. oh wait, no they all turned out like , every single nation that has followed your ideas of what is "necessary" has ended in flames.
Also you call them "suppressed" yet the people who cancel others are only capable of doing so because *they aren't suppressed* in fact, you this isn't the take, while also making the claim that the "suppressed" (like, getting cancelled f.ex.?) are in reality necessitated to speak out against it, which is exactly what Nick Cave is doing, so his take is exactly the right take, by your own admission; the suppressed critiquing the institutionalised oppression they experience, like when institutions are dropping actors, comic book artists etc. for supposed wrongthink.
@@littlejimdavies30 your analogy shows that you have a very warped sense of proportion. five or six people losing their jobs because they said some shit that other people found offensive (and lets be real in most cases with good reason, but that's beside the point) is not at all comparable with decades-long oppression resulting in mass murder. if you really think those two things are comparable, please examine what that sense of victimhood is giving you, because access to reality is certainly not it.
@@littlejimdavies30 lol grow up
I despise him. He played apartheid Israel
isn't he ashamed to compare political correctness to religion after his son died of drugs?
do you even know what you are talking about
are you that thing we call a "troll".
@@cozmovox I'm not troll
@@wishcyliawasgay7152 Yes. two of his sons have already died. he is a bad father
There is no culture of cancellation. Nick Cave has not been canceled. he goes on tours and performs with other musicians. finally stop pretending to be a victim!
An idiot makes others look more intelligent. Just saying...
why u gotta put ur shoes on his desk?😐🫤
It seems we the west is moving closer to a Islamist rational when it comes to sexuality in literature, pious and religious ideals are infringing more and more on artistic ideals. I wonder if a world where everyone is the same and thinks the same is what awaits the future of humanity, a bland colourless abyss of normality and a very restricted soulless society where a few rule with a iron fist and cut out all imagination with impunity under the threat of your differences making you a target for re-education or even death, its a very sad state of affairs we are in right now and I feel its not going to correct itself before its to late. AI and a extremely invasive surveillance state is slowly encroaching further and further into our private spaces and lives.