@@TyBrezzy11 Let's all listen to KD for insight where he said he was in the GOAT conversation or when he said Offense win Championships. Just to quote a few. Yeah, i'm listening to Charles because he is right. Edit: KD is that you? You should have used the time you spent on Twitter arguing with fans to actually learn how to lead a team to a championship.
Michael Jordan in 13 Full Seasons: 6 championships 6 Finals MVPs 5 MVPs 10 Scoring Titles 9 First Team All-NBA Defense 1 DPOY award 3 Steals Champion 82 game seasons: 9 1 all star teammate Lebron and Durant in 37 full seasons combined: 6 Championships 6 Finals MVPs 5 MVPs 5 Scoring Titles 5 First Team All-NBA Defense 0 DPOY awards 0 Steals Champion 82 Game seasons combined: 2 14 combined all star teammates
@@tc-channelhobby4051 He aint been all star level for a long time. He's only ever been all NBA once and he was 3rd team. He doesnt make the Suns a superteam.
@@smoothsavage2870 are you really going with this when he actually is? even espn is literally wanking the suns because of this? heck even brook as well saying no one can guard them.
Barkley is a man who is 100% secure in himself as a person and his accomplishments on the hardwood. Even though he never won a championship, his career looks even better as time moves - especially thanks to the 2010 era Superstars.
Chuck's career doesnt look that good at all unless you're glazing him. He's actually worse than you think KD is. He didnt get anywhere with Philly and requested a trade. He got to the finals with PHX and conceded to MJ even saying that he admitted MJ was better back then. Then he requested a trade to the Rockets who had gone through Chuck twice in a row to get 2 championships. Chuck had blown a 2-0 lead and then a 3-1 lead to the Rockets before requesting to be traded there. Do yall even do your research or just back him because he trashes KD?
@ACE_1923 you lying casual Duratn is top ten all time came from a torn Achilles after all he's given to the game of basketball inspired the young guys of today smh Durant won't receive his flowers until its too late like Kobe Bean
@@TyBrezzy11 kyrie ran himself out, don't forget he was also the reason harden wanted out cuz kyrie was trying to part time the nba while being a social activist.
the real perpetrator of that failure was kyrie. yea kd wasn't a leader but he at least wasn't a goddamn nuisance like every other month cuz he think he's the second coming of muhammad ali like kyrie
Give me Dirk over KD every day of the week. Man led his teams to 60+ wins every year with like no other all star (I think?) in the toughest conference ever.
@@Jesse-zc5pg He won the NBA title against the first superteam ever, in terms of players joining at their prime to win the NBA, led by LeBron, Wade and Bosh. After them mocking him for having the flu. The 2nd best player in that Dirk´s team was JJ BAREA (admited by Wade, not me).
@@HushHushOGKobe was a big part of why they lost in 2004. Shaq was playing well enough that if Kobe played to his regular standards it could have at least gone more than 5. Kobe shot 38 percent for the series and 33 percent in the four Lakers losses.
@@gabrielmurray929 2004's pistons defense shut the lakers down and even contained shaq for the most part. Shaq shot his next to lowest % in a final's appearance.
Unlike most all time greats, KD doesn’t impact the game in more ways than scoring, and when his shot isn’t falling he’s a liability. He doesn’t move much off ball, okay at making plays for others, and isn’t a great rebounder. He’s a mobile 7 footer with a huge wingspan and should’ve been an all time great defender
You are just talking nonsense, yes he is not a leader, but to say his only impact is scoring is madness, and more after this last game, where he gave 4 blocks, with 9 rebounds and 6 assists, with only one turnover.
Kenny smith’s face when Charles said “all these bus riders, they don’t mean NOTHING to me..if you ain’t riding the bus don’t be talking about you a champion”…. That’s exactly Kenny smith lmaooooo
But it’s a team sport, the greats need role players. Hakeem needed Kenny Smith to hit 7 three pointers in the NBA Finals. Michael Jordan needed John Paxson to key three pointers. This is a bad take by Chuck, I’ve got the same amount of championships as him.
I'm not a Lebron fan at all and your statement has validity, I'll give Bron the edge. He at least pretends to want to be a leader lol. KD flat out lacks that killer instinct.
@edwinbrown2148 I guess my point went over your head. In a nutshell without going into detail I literally said they weren't the same. But if you want to get technical D Wade had already won a championship as well....with NO Lebron.
as a nets fan I love this. i'm so tired of hearing how the nets were dumb for letting him and the other two cancers go. they all have better teammates now than they did in Brooklyn and none of them will win anything. they are good but overrated and exhausting.
@@dadvssoncocopuffs9187 thats not true. kyrie wanted to stay. he was even willing to sign a 5 year deal. the nets told him no. they wanted no more than three years. harden was really cornered regarding a trade and he finally agreed. he didnt say anything until pressed. durant left when he was the last one left. you sound ignorant of the situation.
@infoguy1978 he was willing ? Lol.. bro u really are slow... he asked for something noone would give him... he knew that.....KD didn't want to stay either.. what are u talking about? .. they came to NY because they thought NY would embrace them, when we didn't, KDs hurt was broken.. Kyrie still thinks the earth is flat
@@dadvssoncocopuffs9187 are you a knicks fan? i'm a nets fan. its bizzarre how youre trying to act like the authority on this. you sound like a threatened exagerrating knicks fan. are you a knicks fan? as if i didnt already know the answer
The Nets WERE dumb for letting the go, but that's not the only reason. The Nets had a good thing going in the 2020-2021 season. Guess what they did? They kept Steve Nash as HC and let Ime Udoka leave the coaching staff and go be the Celtics HC. Ime goes there and causes a scandal, then the Nets try to get him back after Steve Nash shows us he wasnt meant for the job. But they let the Celtics talk them out of hiring him. Then the owner was a complete idiot who was trying to find any reason to have an issue with Kyrie also. They themselves werent exhausting. What's exhausting was the media and haters that needed to have something negative to say day in and day out about ANY team KD is involved with post-Warriors. Yall wanted him gone, he leaves, and yall are STILL fucking upset. Just say you want him to fail and be done with it.
One of the reasons the Blazers picked Oden over Durant way back when was KDs psych eval. Kevin Prichard the then GM did not like a lot of the answers he got when talking to KD.
Well they made a huge mistake, especially since Oden had injuries in college at 7’1 280. I always heard because the Blazers had Lamarcus Aldridge, who was playing at an All Star level at that time, they needed a center not a PF. Same reason Portland chose Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan in 1984. They had Clyde Drexler at SG and needed center, Hakeem was a sure bet, but went #1, so Bowie was the 2nd best center in college and was taken at #2. Like Oden he had injury issues in college. Portland made the same mistake twice, 20 years apart 🤦🏾♂️ KD isn’t leader, but nor is Steph and he doesn’t get bashed about it. Steph lets Draymond be team leader of GS. When Draymond is acting a fool, Steph is usually walking away or head sulking on the bench.
@@chris6789100 Steph has never been the leader of the Wariors. That's always been Draymond. If KD cant be the leader of his teams just because he's the best player, neither can Steph.
I'm from Oklahoma City and Durant felt like one of us locals. A cool headed guy who was a part of the community. We all loved him and followed him along to the playoffs and western state championship and then the finals. Once that 3-1 lead fell apart everyone knew something was up. To win a championship with Golden State I would not have a proud memory of that. I'd honestly feel ashamed. Look at the Thunder now. Took a while for us to grow back up to the level we had a decade ago and I'm so proud of us. Some people talk about how KD will come back to Oklahoma City and retire there. I don't know if that will ever happen and if people would like it to be honest.
Goldenstate worked well because Curry was the leader , they always associate leaders with stats when in Curry's case it was him letting Durant shine for the greater good , just like Kobe with Shaq
KD should have stayed in Golden State with great teammates, a great coach and a great organization. Instead he listened to the haters most of them couldn't get a ring if their live depended on it. Now they mock him. Fact is champions and dynasties are not one dude willing a team to win, it is a united group of people working together.
-- he has the offensive skill set to be a GOAT (Top 5) but he's only Top 20-25. Great player but not enough to be in the GOAT conversation. Mindset is a SKILL. Bird, MJ are the 2 guys that stand out.
@@universityoffree - agree. KD Took the easy path to his 2 rings, which is weak sauce like LeThird But I am weighing KDs entire resume: 1 MVP, 2 FMVPs, 4x scoring champ, he’s up there EVEN IF he jumped on Curry’s bus. KD is a Great player (Top 20-25) but nowhere near the GOAT.
Come on guys, he is a first ballot hall of famer. Not to mention, he has made a buck or two. We common folk shouldn’t feel too sorry for K.D., he is gonna be OK
y’all really act like KD went to Golden State & averaged 17 behind Curry… yall were the same people who said GSW only won because irving and love were hurt & couldn’t beat a healthy Cavs team.. that actually plays out & GSW makes a moves and now it’s unfair.. yet steph, klay and dray still get to benefit from while KD never gets any love
KD lack of leadership and lack of growth has shown. It’s time for him to retire, there is no easy way to a championship, just because you’re great at scoring doesn’t mean you will be a champion. He’s been hard headed for years and his legacy will be massively impacted.
I'd like Anthony Edwards more if he didn't taunt people. People love humility. It is why people liked MJ. He did celebrate, and sometimes was confrontational, but mostly he was a silent assassin.
If you can back it up in the big moments, then I don’t mind. And in terms of silent assassin, Jordan is not the example I would choose. I could be wrong but I see ant and Jordan very similarly in terms of wanting to crush their opponents and let them know about it
Well neither Steph nor KD are great leaders. Draymond was the leader of that GS dynasty, which is probably why they tolerated his antics so long. Steph just gets a pass, but when Draymond is acting a fool on the court, Steph is usually recorded walking away with his mouthpiece hanging out his mouth in frustration or sitting on the bench sulking, sometimes with a towel over his head. Steph just gets a pass for not being a good leader, where KD didn’t. KD’s legacy probably would have been better if he stayed in OKC or settled in GS to win 3-4 chips. But between Draymond saying they didn’t need him, the Team President making that slick comment about KD at the championship parade and people constantly doubting him as a “real Warrior”.
it doesn't help that Vogel is completely clueless. They shouldve started Bol along side Nurkic and IT at PG with Beal as the 6th man for bench scoring.
Tbf his teams were full of injuries drama( Kyrie issue but i agree with him) and bad rosters ( His fault too) that still affects the overall playtime with the talents. But it is a bad look not being successful after leaving Steph and the Warriors. At least Kd isnt a drama queen lmao like a certain someone who says “it’s just basketball”. Kd may not be a bus driver but GSW and Kd needed each other to win. Okc was psychologically beaten by Warriors, And Warriors was psychologically beat by Cavs. It was a match made in heaven.
Kevin is one of the most talented players of all time. He just didn’t have the right teams or the correct mental outlook to be considered one of the greats. He’s still had a hall of fame career. People are down on him because he had the talent to be considered great!
1. KDs had Achilles tear lol. 2. Sun's suck. 3. Harden and kryie got injured and his toe was still the only reason he didn't win. 4. Kd didn't make beal decisions 5. Ant man Is better than tatum, luka, bron, ect.
@@TyBrezzy11 really? Question. How much better is luka on offense? Say luka is s-tier. Ant is A. Ant is leaps and bounds beyond luka on defense. We'll see when wolves beat nuggets. And mavs lose to clippers
I can't down KD for being a great player who isn't the team leader. Jrue was the leader/driver for Milwaukee, and Giannis was the engine. Steph has the luxury of being the best shooter, Franchise player, and just happens to play PG. That's like being Magic with Birds shooting/scoring ability. No one's taking that spot, and someone will catch hell trying to replace him when he's gone. KD is KD. Period! He's always been the same highly effective, highly efficient, and highly productive superstar he is today. He's wise enough to know that doing CP3's job would destroy his love for the game. Even Steph learned how to let Draymond facilitate for the team, so he can be free to just play the game the right way. Leader is not for everyone. MJ needed Pippen to be the bridge between he and the team, and both Kobe & Shaq needed Fish & other vets to do the actual team leader thing because they were competing for #1 offensive option. KD is the ultimate weapon because he is good at everything. He's just not a natural TEAM leader, just the most dangerously versatile "go to" weapon on every team he's been on. Beale was a hideous trade. He's been a lone wolf, like Dame, for his whole career. He's had complete autonomy without true help. He was the Box Office draw. It took CP3's pure PG leadership to stabilize Phoenix, and they've been lost without him. It's D-U-M-B to build your team around 3 wing players who can average 30, but have no PG running the show through a Big. It's a poorly constructed roster, and you're asking scorers to facilitate. Scorers facilitate THEIR offense 1st, which is why KD's best option was he, Booker, CP3, and Ayton. That combo maximizes point production because that's 80-100pts per game without including any others. Age got CP3. KD & Book need a Center or PF & a PG. There's no balance, just space. You can't give scorers space AND the ball for 4qtrs. They'll play well, and lose games the would win with a floor general & a presence in the paint. A floor general takes complete command in crucial moments, waving off scorers, in favor of dominating the flow of the game & the clock. They're calling specific plays to get specific shots that draw fouls or stress the defense into positional mistakes. Scorers don't see the game that way. They're gonna score until it's over, then look at the scoreboard. You can't demand a player become who he's not. Some things are natural to some people, hence Steph deferring to Draymond. Steph is a PG because he was too small to play any other position, yet too good to sit or cut. Let's have more perspective. It's the old "unwilling or unable" question.
KD does realize that by getting him you have to give up assets. With no assets it's kind of hard to succeed. If they had won a championship, then you couldn't take the trash. Only problem the Suns haven't won one.
Redick was a player so his perspective will always favor the player. Us fans have a much different perspective where we care more about loyalty and respectable decision making from our star players.
So many people still holding KD in such a high regard exposes their lack of knowledge of basketball. So many players (ex and current) GMs, trainers and everyone in between still think its year 2010 and KD ball is efficient. Maybe if other teams shot % like its 2010 and scored 80-90 a game.
He is like Scottie Pippen. Cant win championship without their great leader. But Pippen and Durant are both skilled player, they just need a good leader to lean onto
What's hilarious is in my humble opinion is including his okc years, His most natural and relaxed years where he could just play and be KD was with GS where he was NOT the leader of the team and that's where he was the most successful so he's not wrong
People are down on Kevin bc he had the talent to be one of the greats! He just didn’t have the personality or mental outlook. Although, he did have a hall of fame career and helped G.S. win another championship.
I remember his interview way back then when he says he is tired of being the second ever since his high school basketball career he wants to be the first. He wants to be the first yet he doesn't want to be a leader that's a big BS 😅
5:22 Yo, that Gervin and McGrady is appropriate. You can also throw in Dominique Wilkins or Alex English or Adrian Dantley. All of these forwards put up major scoring numbers but we're not able to carry team to a championship.
People need to understand the difference between BEST and GREATEST. Greatness comes from the accolades and legacy you leave behind. KD is one of the BEST scorers in this NBA's history, but he doesn't deserve to be listed next to the GREATEST scorers to play the game.
KD has been one of my fav players to watch for 12 plys yrs. He is top 20 at best but w top 5 skill set. Ability to control pace, ability to lead and calm your team down are two HUGE factors in players evaluation. Russ was Alpha in OKC. Steph system & Dray the Alpha in GST. Kyrie Alpha in BRN and PHO dont have one.
He had it MADE in OKC. Star player for a small-market team with a strong supporting cast and a teammate to take the fall for him when things went bad (Westbrook). And he threw that away to go join a superteam and win 2 easy rings that nobody respects.
KD is IMHO the greatest offensive weapon in the history of the NBA. He could have been in the conversation for GOAT, he was Lebron's equal for over a decade. Now he isn't even in the conversation as a top 10 all time.
He cant even shoot 30% when they close a game. His offense is doing a jumper and pray. He's not ungaurdable, if he was, he would have have shot above 30% under pressure.
What’s weird is KD has actively TRIED not to be a leader in his career. Of course not everyone is built for that, but his statements to the media about this along with his unwillingness to step up really put a cap on how great he could’ve been.
It annoys me that people keep saying Durant is all about hooping , he just wants to hoop, it’s the only thing he does in life blah blah , and he performs this badly , has not won anything , keeps getting swept , and nobody respects the two rings he got
I think KD has done his part. I know everyone wants to shit on him, but he's carried the part he needed to carry. Truthfully, I know people think is crazy. But he should go back to golden state. I think that's his best option. He would still fit great within the team and they aren't "Unbeatable" like before. But it would give them the best chance of winning again and not having to give up much for it.
KD ain’t never beating the “bus rider” allegations
Listening to Charles Barkley for insight is insane
They aren't allegations if they are true😂
@@catalogueboys2538KD put up 35 a game riding the bus where the “bus rider” only put up 25 a night
@@catalogueboys2538bird was a bus rider
@@TyBrezzy11 Let's all listen to KD for insight where he said he was in the GOAT conversation or when he said Offense win Championships. Just to quote a few.
Yeah, i'm listening to Charles because he is right.
Edit: KD is that you? You should have used the time you spent on Twitter arguing with fans to actually learn how to lead a team to a championship.
KD said “I am bad at saying stand behind me and follow me” - but he also thinks he should be in the “goat” convo?? Pure delusion.
-- One of the best skilled offensive players ever. But yeah, he's only one of the best kind of Pippen -- as a bus rider.
@@jlui21 is the point to win the game?
@@LouSeph
Yes. The championship game in particular. And KD doesn't do that.
@@jlui21called a 2 times fmvp Scottie pippen is crazy regards on how you feel
Your comment is spot on.
Michael Jordan in 13 Full Seasons:
6 championships
6 Finals MVPs
5 MVPs
10 Scoring Titles
9 First Team All-NBA Defense
1 DPOY award
3 Steals Champion
82 game seasons: 9
1 all star teammate
Lebron and Durant in 37 full seasons combined:
6 Championships
6 Finals MVPs
5 MVPs
5 Scoring Titles
5 First Team All-NBA Defense
0 DPOY awards
0 Steals Champion
82 Game seasons combined: 2
14 combined all star teammates
Talk that shit Randy! Let em know
💯 11 full seasons tho,
missed most of the 86 & 95 seasons
@@ChicagoDolofacts
Oof that’s a tough read. Jordan was really a special athlete
@@ChicagoDolo well I’m including the Wizards years. 15 total. 13 without 86 and 94
Man the guy has always been soft and at times shown that he lacks heart period.
Single moms raise men that way.
@@chongli3007 Don't turn this political. some men aren't leaders by nature and that's fine
@chongli3007 That saying is bs.
@@Jimmy-ik2kc so true, ppl love to make stuff p*litical. Some men just arent meant to be leaders.
@@Jimmy-ik2kc no it's not.
JJ gonna defend KD with the "Not a superteam because they don't have complimentary players" excuse 🤣
They're literally NOT a superteam. Book and KD are the stars.
@@smoothsavage2870beal?
@@tc-channelhobby4051 He aint been all star level for a long time. He's only ever been all NBA once and he was 3rd team. He doesnt make the Suns a superteam.
@@smoothsavage2870 are you really going with this when he actually is? even espn is literally wanking the suns because of this? heck even brook as well saying no one can guard them.
Suns playing without a true PG all season was a big mistake
Or they could have changed to an offense that doesn't require one
@@lbarge85You can’t play basketball without a point guard because he’s the quarterback of the team
The 72 win Bulls team had Ron Harper as a PG and he was a career shooting guard.
You don't need a traditional point for the triangle or Princeton style offenses
@@williamwalsh1533 Tex Winters ran an actual offense tbh.
Barkley is a man who is 100% secure in himself as a person and his accomplishments on the hardwood. Even though he never won a championship, his career looks even better as time moves - especially thanks to the 2010 era Superstars.
Honestly after years of hearing Shaq say "four rings" every frickin night, I'll bet rings have lost all meaning to everyone who works with him.
Who is guy
Chuck's career doesnt look that good at all unless you're glazing him. He's actually worse than you think KD is. He didnt get anywhere with Philly and requested a trade. He got to the finals with PHX and conceded to MJ even saying that he admitted MJ was better back then.
Then he requested a trade to the Rockets who had gone through Chuck twice in a row to get 2 championships. Chuck had blown a 2-0 lead and then a 3-1 lead to the Rockets before requesting to be traded there. Do yall even do your research or just back him because he trashes KD?
@@smoothsavage2870Takes one to know one 1 guess
@@smoothsavage2870 Conceding to the 90s Bulls led by Jordan is not a flaw lol
Giannis, Jokic, and Steph encourage and enhance their teammates while KD can't get his teammates to play well because of his presence.
Jokic and Steph are valid. Giannis is not. Nobody plays better because of Giannis.
Durant wondered why nobody has him in a goat debate when he doesn’t understand there’s better debates for why he’s not even top 20 all time
Moronic statement from you
@ACE_1923 you lying casual Duratn is top ten all time came from a torn Achilles after all he's given to the game of basketball inspired the young guys of today smh Durant won't receive his flowers until its too late like Kobe Bean
@@darnellwilliams8783he ain’t top 30. What makes him top anything? He’s never one shit without curry. Can’t lead a team to nothing
@@darnellwilliams8783he is top 10 if the NBA didn’t exist before 2016
@darnellwilliams8783 He's either top 15 or 20 but definitely not top 10 and he could even finish his career outside the top 20 just saying.
Has a Brooklyn Nets fan this is good karma for Kevin
Joe Tsai is the one who ran KD harden. And Kyrie out of town morón
@@TyBrezzy11thank you
You mean the guy who nearly beat the Bucks himself, made the Nets Relevant since J Kidd days? 😂
@@TyBrezzy11 kyrie ran himself out, don't forget he was also the reason harden wanted out cuz kyrie was trying to part time the nba while being a social activist.
the real perpetrator of that failure was kyrie. yea kd wasn't a leader but he at least wasn't a goddamn nuisance like every other month cuz he think he's the second coming of muhammad ali like kyrie
Give me Dirk over KD every day of the week. Man led his teams to 60+ wins every year with like no other all star (I think?) in the toughest conference ever.
Nash and Finley were All-Stars, Josh Howard was once as well.
@@Jesse-zc5pg Finley is only a 2 Time All Star.
Nash also only made2 Times when he was at Dallas.
Isnt comparable to KDs Teammates
He lead them to 60 wins or more twice it would be more accurate to say 50 wins every year.
@@Jesse-zc5pg He won the NBA title against the first superteam ever, in terms of players joining at their prime to win the NBA, led by LeBron, Wade and Bosh. After them mocking him for having the flu. The 2nd best player in that Dirk´s team was JJ BAREA (admited by Wade, not me).
@@jackbombay1423the heat weren’t the first super team ever but I get your point
Uncut wrong for showing the Heartbreak Kid kick his idol with sweet chin music lol. It definitely was a nice touch lmao sheesh
If only Charles would apply the same standard to LeBronze. Kobe said it best: you're either on the bus, off the bus, or under the bus.
Well unlike Kobe lebron was the best player for all his chips
@@ronaldjohnson5717 😂🤣🤡🌎 Thanks, I needed a good laugh today!
@@ronaldjohnson5717 Unlike LeBron, Kobe was never the reason his team lost in the finals
@@HushHushOGKobe was a big part of why they lost in 2004. Shaq was playing well enough that if Kobe played to his regular standards it could have at least gone more than 5. Kobe shot 38 percent for the series and 33 percent in the four Lakers losses.
@@gabrielmurray929 2004's pistons defense shut the lakers down and even contained shaq for the most part. Shaq shot his next to lowest % in a final's appearance.
Unlike most all time greats, KD doesn’t impact the game in more ways than scoring, and when his shot isn’t falling he’s a liability. He doesn’t move much off ball, okay at making plays for others, and isn’t a great rebounder. He’s a mobile 7 footer with a huge wingspan and should’ve been an all time great defender
You are just talking nonsense, yes he is not a leader, but to say his only impact is scoring is madness, and more after this last game, where he gave 4 blocks, with 9 rebounds and 6 assists, with only one turnover.
@@sadsam3488 1 good game isn’t reflective of his entire career
@@chrilpyits jus not one game tho 😂
@@chrilpyi agree KD hasnt made all defense in the last five years
@@Deeskie I agree, his career shows he’s a below average rebounder and not a great facilitator.
Kenny smith’s face when Charles said “all these bus riders, they don’t mean NOTHING to me..if you ain’t riding the bus don’t be talking about you a champion”…. That’s exactly Kenny smith lmaooooo
But it’s a team sport, the greats need role players. Hakeem needed Kenny Smith to hit 7 three pointers in the NBA Finals. Michael Jordan needed John Paxson to key three pointers. This is a bad take by Chuck, I’ve got the same amount of championships as him.
Greatest match I ever saw in person.
HBK/Flair WM24.
You’re lucky
Damn. Not many matches better.
The greatest match my uncle saw in person was HBK/Undertaker at WM26
Oh boy... Another player that could've been great, but got on the LeBrainwash train 🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽
What lol
@@stkanye514join super teams to win instead of sticking with your team and building around you like 95 percent of greats
@@stkanye514like jokic has a better case of being above KD. And he is with the Nuggets…. Who never won before him
He a top 15 player alltime
There is no case for that. Jokic is already better than durcant @@Cpro969
The best players don’t win. The best team does. It’s a great metaphor for life, honestly.
Karma for doing Russ dirty and copping out to the warriors… it always comes full circle.
Can't even front that was a bitch move by Kd. Lol
Anthony Edwards JORDAN 🔥🔥🔥 He is HIM. The new face of the league
After over a decade of Superfriends I love that we now have Jokic, Giannis and Ant as the faces of the league.
he’s out this round, two more games
If I'm Durant and Curry, I'd team up again for one last hurrah.
KD & LEBRON HAVE ALOT IN COMMON THIS YEAR 😂
yeah both soft AF
you got that right. they are talented but lack mental toughness
I'm not a Lebron fan at all and your statement has validity, I'll give Bron the edge. He at least pretends to want to be a leader lol. KD flat out lacks that killer instinct.
@@user-yo6sb9se8q lebron won with 3 different teams an kd only won with a 73-9 team that won 2 chips without him. Lebron a level above KD.
@edwinbrown2148 I guess my point went over your head. In a nutshell without going into detail I literally said they weren't the same. But if you want to get technical D Wade had already won a championship as well....with NO Lebron.
lmao, that Shawn Michaels edit to ant man was hard!
KD got sonned by 3 generations.
From lebron to Curry to Ant.
Saying he is Top 15 is the biggest fail of this video.
Transcendent 🔥
@@chrilpyyep, barely top 75
You mean he sonned james.
Lebron needed a superteam to beat young KD
@@underpressure07140 KD Failed to beat anybody with 2 super teams
"im sorry, i love you...".... lmao
Then proceeds to damn near decapitate his az. 😂😂😂
Nothing can take away from the fact that KD is a great baller.
Ant Edwards is just beast mode
as a nets fan I love this. i'm so tired of hearing how the nets were dumb for letting him and the other two cancers go. they all have better teammates now than they did in Brooklyn and none of them will win anything. they are good but overrated and exhausting.
Let them go.. how slow are u? They left as soon as they could.. the nets didn't have a choice...lol
@@dadvssoncocopuffs9187 thats not true. kyrie wanted to stay. he was even willing to sign a 5 year deal. the nets told him no. they wanted no more than three years. harden was really cornered regarding a trade and he finally agreed. he didnt say anything until pressed. durant left when he was the last one left. you sound ignorant of the situation.
@infoguy1978 he was willing ? Lol.. bro u really are slow... he asked for something noone would give him... he knew that.....KD didn't want to stay either.. what are u talking about? .. they came to NY because they thought NY would embrace them, when we didn't, KDs hurt was broken.. Kyrie still thinks the earth is flat
@@dadvssoncocopuffs9187 are you a knicks fan? i'm a nets fan. its bizzarre how youre trying to act like the authority on this. you sound like a threatened exagerrating knicks fan. are you a knicks fan? as if i didnt already know the answer
The Nets WERE dumb for letting the go, but that's not the only reason. The Nets had a good thing going in the 2020-2021 season. Guess what they did? They kept Steve Nash as HC and let Ime Udoka leave the coaching staff and go be the Celtics HC.
Ime goes there and causes a scandal, then the Nets try to get him back after Steve Nash shows us he wasnt meant for the job. But they let the Celtics talk them out of hiring him. Then the owner was a complete idiot who was trying to find any reason to have an issue with Kyrie also.
They themselves werent exhausting. What's exhausting was the media and haters that needed to have something negative to say day in and day out about ANY team KD is involved with post-Warriors. Yall wanted him gone, he leaves, and yall are STILL fucking upset. Just say you want him to fail and be done with it.
One of the reasons the Blazers picked Oden over Durant way back when was KDs psych eval. Kevin Prichard the then GM did not like a lot of the answers he got when talking to KD.
Well they made a huge mistake, especially since Oden had injuries in college at 7’1 280. I always heard because the Blazers had Lamarcus Aldridge, who was playing at an All Star level at that time, they needed a center not a PF.
Same reason Portland chose Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan in 1984. They had Clyde Drexler at SG and needed center, Hakeem was a sure bet, but went #1, so Bowie was the 2nd best center in college and was taken at #2. Like Oden he had injury issues in college. Portland made the same mistake twice, 20 years apart 🤦🏾♂️
KD isn’t leader, but nor is Steph and he doesn’t get bashed about it. Steph lets Draymond be team leader of GS. When Draymond is acting a fool, Steph is usually walking away or head sulking on the bench.
@@ninocrown3247Ummm no.. Steph is the leader period. No idea what your talking about.
@@chris6789100naw draymond is steph said it
@@chris6789100 Steph has never been the leader of the Wariors. That's always been Draymond. If KD cant be the leader of his teams just because he's the best player, neither can Steph.
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KD always reminded me of Carmelo Anthony - Selfish / All about themselves and not at all a Team player or mentality- It’s a shame.
how is he selfish
This is pure lies lmao. What you're saying is pure anti-KD narrative.
Durant just exposes how good GSW really was. Durant is definitely a great player but he hasn’t produced anything since leaving GSW
I'm from Oklahoma City and Durant felt like one of us locals. A cool headed guy who was a part of the community. We all loved him and followed him along to the playoffs and western state championship and then the finals. Once that 3-1 lead fell apart everyone knew something was up.
To win a championship with Golden State I would not have a proud memory of that. I'd honestly feel ashamed.
Look at the Thunder now. Took a while for us to grow back up to the level we had a decade ago and I'm so proud of us.
Some people talk about how KD will come back to Oklahoma City and retire there. I don't know if that will ever happen and if people would like it to be honest.
Goldenstate worked well because Curry was the leader , they always associate leaders with stats when in Curry's case it was him letting Durant shine for the greater good , just like Kobe with Shaq
Hence forth he is the Slim Sleeper 😂😂😂
KD should have stayed in Golden State with great teammates, a great coach and a great organization. Instead he listened to the haters most of them couldn't get a ring if their live depended on it. Now they mock him. Fact is champions and dynasties are not one dude willing a team to win, it is a united group of people working together.
And he has the audacity to say he should be the goat conversation
-- he has the offensive skill set to be a GOAT (Top 5) but he's only Top 20-25.
Great player but not enough to be in the GOAT conversation. Mindset is a SKILL. Bird, MJ are the 2 guys that stand out.
@jlui21 true dat. He's a great player skill wise. Definitely not goat material
@@jlui21 I've always liked Kevin Durant's Game, but top 25 might be generous considering how he got his rings.
@@universityoffree - agree. KD Took the easy path to his 2 rings, which is weak sauce like LeThird
But I am weighing KDs entire resume: 1 MVP, 2 FMVPs, 4x scoring champ, he’s up there EVEN IF he jumped on Curry’s bus. KD is a Great player (Top 20-25) but nowhere near the GOAT.
That's that weed he's smoking .....it has him tripping hard.
To be fair to Durant he missed a whole season with a pretty bad injury. I'm not a Durant fan but it can't be ignored.
Come on guys, he is a first ballot hall of famer. Not to mention, he has made a buck or two. We common folk shouldn’t feel too sorry for K.D., he is gonna be OK
y’all really act like KD went to Golden State & averaged 17 behind Curry… yall were the same people who said GSW only won because irving and love were hurt & couldn’t beat a healthy Cavs team.. that actually plays out & GSW makes a moves and now it’s unfair.. yet steph, klay and dray still get to benefit from while KD never gets any love
lol why do you think that is? They didn’t need him. They were up 3-1
lots of skilled and talented "hoopers" today but very few real leaders that can also carry a team
Thanks for not posting another Jordan or Lebron video.
KD did all.he can, beal failed the suns and dev came through at the last min
🤡🤡🤡🤡.
KD lack of leadership and lack of growth has shown. It’s time for him to retire, there is no easy way to a championship, just because you’re great at scoring doesn’t mean you will be a champion. He’s been hard headed for years and his legacy will be massively impacted.
I never thought of it like that, but that T-Mac comparison fits so well.
I'd like Anthony Edwards more if he didn't taunt people. People love humility. It is why people liked MJ. He did celebrate, and sometimes was confrontational, but mostly he was a silent assassin.
they swept KD and the Suns and earned that right. Also I want to see more people style on KD who's a massive fraud
If you can back it up in the big moments, then I don’t mind. And in terms of silent assassin, Jordan is not the example I would choose. I could be wrong but I see ant and Jordan very similarly in terms of wanting to crush their opponents and let them know about it
Curry and KD nuff said. I don't think KD can ever find another complementary team mate.
Ant hitting that shot over KD was symbolic. Ant is the next hope for the NBA after these soft ring chasing collusionists leave for good.
Skap man you never miss, that Shawn Michaels and ric flair clip in the beginning transitioning to the poster was perfect man 😂
KD is a Steph curry baby
Well neither Steph nor KD are great leaders. Draymond was the leader of that GS dynasty, which is probably why they tolerated his antics so long. Steph just gets a pass, but when Draymond is acting a fool on the court, Steph is usually recorded walking away with his mouthpiece hanging out his mouth in frustration or sitting on the bench sulking, sometimes with a towel over his head. Steph just gets a pass for not being a good leader, where KD didn’t.
KD’s legacy probably would have been better if he stayed in OKC or settled in GS to win 3-4 chips. But between Draymond saying they didn’t need him, the Team President making that slick comment about KD at the championship parade and people constantly doubting him as a “real Warrior”.
@@ninocrown3247 He would not have a legacy, he did not and would not win a ring in OKC
@@ninocrown3247 I saw Draymond lead the Warriors to the worst record in the league 2020 without Steph Curry
it doesn't help that Vogel is completely clueless. They shouldve started Bol along side Nurkic and IT at PG with Beal as the 6th man for bench scoring.
give me what ur smoking😂
@Terminator-ht3sx what do u mean? The literally got swept so any other lineup would've been better. Clearly Vogel is smoking crack
The coach is the leader took me out 😂
As much hate as KD got, I liked him in Golden State because he actually played defense.
Yes it's so true. It's probably a reason why Wemby is so impressed for him..
Tbf his teams were full of injuries drama( Kyrie issue but i agree with him) and bad rosters ( His fault too) that still affects the overall playtime with the talents. But it is a bad look not being successful after leaving Steph and the Warriors. At least Kd isnt a drama queen lmao like a certain someone who says “it’s just basketball”. Kd may not be a bus driver but GSW and Kd needed each other to win. Okc was psychologically beaten by Warriors, And Warriors was psychologically beat by Cavs. It was a match made in heaven.
At lebron wins a championship with every team he played for….
@@edwinbrown2148 he aint greater than LeBron but Ledrama queen aint the GOAT. Mj reigns supreme
@@edwinbrown2148LeBron is fortunate for that pandemic rest and Kyrie/Ray savings his bricking ass.
@@sul3377 That’s fine lol
@@edwinbrown2148 Lebron had better rosters 😂🤡
I still like KD - he has a nice game.
Kevin is one of the most talented players of all time. He just didn’t have the right teams or the correct mental outlook to be considered one of the greats. He’s still had a hall of fame career. People are down on him because he had the talent to be considered great!
KD in his 14 years outside of Golden State has 1 Finals Victory? Uhh no he doesnt what the hell is he talking about😂
KD is a Kingmaker. The last four teams to beat him in the playoffs went to the finals. 3/4 won.
Durant will never get respect from me. He took the cupcake route to win championships. I am glad his legacy continues to suffer.
Good thing you’re a nobody and nobody will ever know you
Young man’s game, these older guys don’t have the motors anymore down the strech
This was satisfying
1. KDs had Achilles tear lol. 2. Sun's suck. 3. Harden and kryie got injured and his toe was still the only reason he didn't win.
4. Kd didn't make beal decisions
5. Ant man Is better than tatum, luka, bron, ect.
Ant is nowhere near Luka get a grip
@@TyBrezzy11 really? Question. How much better is luka on offense? Say luka is s-tier. Ant is A. Ant is leaps and bounds beyond luka on defense. We'll see when wolves beat nuggets. And mavs lose to clippers
Not his fault I put it on Beal that boy 🤮🤮🤮🤮
LEGENDARY!!
You include Micheals vs Flair WM match as a comparison, while Edward’s does the DX crotch chop next 😂😂
You're so right, and it saddens me to admit it because i like KD a lot😢...but he deserves all that smoke. He should have stayed at Golden State.
The Ric Flair / Shawn Michaels clip... muah, chefs kiss lol
All the Gob clips are KILLING ME 😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣
I can't down KD for being a great player who isn't the team leader. Jrue was the leader/driver for Milwaukee, and Giannis was the engine. Steph has the luxury of being the best shooter, Franchise player, and just happens to play PG. That's like being Magic with Birds shooting/scoring ability. No one's taking that spot, and someone will catch hell trying to replace him when he's gone. KD is KD. Period! He's always been the same highly effective, highly efficient, and highly productive superstar he is today. He's wise enough to know that doing CP3's job would destroy his love for the game. Even Steph learned how to let Draymond facilitate for the team, so he can be free to just play the game the right way. Leader is not for everyone. MJ needed Pippen to be the bridge between he and the team, and both Kobe & Shaq needed Fish & other vets to do the actual team leader thing because they were competing for #1 offensive option. KD is the ultimate weapon because he is good at everything. He's just not a natural TEAM leader, just the most dangerously versatile "go to" weapon on every team he's been on. Beale was a hideous trade. He's been a lone wolf, like Dame, for his whole career. He's had complete autonomy without true help. He was the Box Office draw. It took CP3's pure PG leadership to stabilize Phoenix, and they've been lost without him. It's D-U-M-B to build your team around 3 wing players who can average 30, but have no PG running the show through a Big. It's a poorly constructed roster, and you're asking scorers to facilitate. Scorers facilitate THEIR offense 1st, which is why KD's best option was he, Booker, CP3, and Ayton. That combo maximizes point production because that's 80-100pts per game without including any others. Age got CP3. KD & Book need a Center or PF & a PG. There's no balance, just space. You can't give scorers space AND the ball for 4qtrs. They'll play well, and lose games the would win with a floor general & a presence in the paint. A floor general takes complete command in crucial moments, waving off scorers, in favor of dominating the flow of the game & the clock. They're calling specific plays to get specific shots that draw fouls or stress the defense into positional mistakes. Scorers don't see the game that way. They're gonna score until it's over, then look at the scoreboard. You can't demand a player become who he's not. Some things are natural to some people, hence Steph deferring to Draymond. Steph is a PG because he was too small to play any other position, yet too good to sit or cut. Let's have more perspective. It's the old "unwilling or unable" question.
KD does realize that by getting him you have to give up assets. With no assets it's kind of hard to succeed. If they had won a championship, then you couldn't take the trash. Only problem the Suns haven't won one.
Redick was a player so his perspective will always favor the player. Us fans have a much different perspective where we care more about loyalty and respectable decision making from our star players.
So many people still holding KD in such a high regard exposes their lack of knowledge of basketball. So many players (ex and current) GMs, trainers and everyone in between still think its year 2010 and KD ball is efficient. Maybe if other teams shot % like its 2010 and scored 80-90 a game.
So tired of the media being in the bag for superstars as if they're above criticism.
Take my like for "I'm Sorry, I Love You". If only Ric had stayed retired.
Ant giving the degen X suck it is hilarious lol
I can’t stand Bron but at least he was better at stacking teams together and winning
He is like Scottie Pippen. Cant win championship without their great leader. But Pippen and Durant are both skilled player, they just need a good leader to lean onto
Diva
He will be remembered as Diva
The Gob clips are perfect 🤣
It would be better for everyone if KD and his fans made peace with the fact that "greatest passenger of all time" is still pretty impressive.
This iteration of the Suns with KD were just the west coast version of the Nets with KD.
People always forget that even the Miami Heat Big 3 had great roleplayers. Veterans like Battier and Miller played big minutes.
No body forgot bout that super team…
What's hilarious is in my humble opinion is including his okc years, His most natural and relaxed years where he could just play and be KD was with GS where he was NOT the leader of the team and that's where he was the most successful so he's not wrong
4:22 are we going to talk about Stephen Ain’t Shit wearing those necklaces?? 🤣🤣🤣
People are down on Kevin bc he had the talent to be one of the greats! He just didn’t have the personality or mental outlook. Although, he did have a hall of fame career and helped G.S. win another championship.
it’s like they are deriving skill from how much money they are currently making. This guys salary is huge, he must be good.
Anybody that says "KD is a top 5 player" isn't a knowledgeable fan, that simply looks at numbers.
It sucks we have to have this discussion. KD is a generational talent.
I remember his interview way back then when he says he is tired of being the second ever since his high school basketball career he wants to be the first.
He wants to be the first yet he doesn't want to be a leader that's a big BS 😅
Best description for KD is that he's a mercenary.
5:22 Yo, that Gervin and McGrady is appropriate. You can also throw in Dominique Wilkins or Alex English or Adrian Dantley. All of these forwards put up major scoring numbers but we're not able to carry team to a championship.
People need to understand the difference between BEST and GREATEST. Greatness comes from the accolades and legacy you leave behind.
KD is one of the BEST scorers in this NBA's history, but he doesn't deserve to be listed next to the GREATEST scorers to play the game.
what’s the song playing in the background?
KD has been one of my fav players to watch for 12 plys yrs.
He is top 20 at best but w top 5 skill set.
Ability to control pace, ability to lead and calm your team down are two HUGE factors in players evaluation.
Russ was Alpha in OKC. Steph system & Dray the Alpha in GST. Kyrie Alpha in BRN and PHO dont have one.
U make some great points.
He is just a talented guy who lacks leadership. That's why he will not be in the GOAT DISCUSSION.
I like what chuck said. There are alot of bus riders talking ish about their rings lol
Remember when KD DEFENSE was praised when he was with the warriors, look at him now
The ball never lies.
He had it MADE in OKC. Star player for a small-market team with a strong supporting cast and a teammate to take the fall for him when things went bad (Westbrook). And he threw that away to go join a superteam and win 2 easy rings that nobody respects.
KD is IMHO the greatest offensive weapon in the history of the NBA. He could have been in the conversation for GOAT, he was Lebron's equal for over a decade. Now he isn't even in the conversation as a top 10 all time.
He cant even shoot 30% when they close a game. His offense is doing a jumper and pray. He's not ungaurdable, if he was, he would have have shot above 30% under pressure.
What’s weird is KD has actively TRIED not to be a leader in his career. Of course not everyone is built for that, but his statements to the media about this along with his unwillingness to step up really put a cap on how great he could’ve been.
It annoys me that people keep saying Durant is all about hooping , he just wants to hoop, it’s the only thing he does in life blah blah , and he performs this badly , has not won anything , keeps getting swept , and nobody respects the two rings he got
I think KD has done his part. I know everyone wants to shit on him, but he's carried the part he needed to carry. Truthfully, I know people think is crazy. But he should go back to golden state. I think that's his best option. He would still fit great within the team and they aren't "Unbeatable" like before. But it would give them the best chance of winning again and not having to give up much for it.