N64 Games That Completely Changed
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In this video, Did You Know Gaming takes a look several Nintendo 64, or N64 games, that completely changed during development, such as Paper Mario, Banjo-Kazooie, and Pokemon Snap.
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#N64 #Nintendo64 #Nintendo #SuperMario #Mario - Hry
"Paper Mario was the greatest RPG on the N64... out of all three of them."
Savage
Lol, to be humble was one of the best on the generation, much better than most of square RPGs on ps
@@anemite2 Yep. Final Fantasy IX is on par with Paper Mario.
Three?! I thought there was only Quest 64 and Paper Mario
Ogre Battle > Paper Mario tbh
Wow, Rare were all over the place back then in term of genres of released games and changes during development. They covered so many genres and did so much work with so few people.
Nintendo dropped the ball by not purchasing Rare when they had the chance, I could only imagine the bangers they would be putting out today...
Then again, it's possible Nintendo would just have them on the shelf like they have Next Level Games and Retro Studios (although they still develop games)
And by the sound of some interviews I've read, they had a wonderful time doing it!
@@Fernando17892 Rare would've most likely just developed games similar to what they did on Xbox, they were already out of their prime in the 2000s and Nintendo buying them wouldn't have changed them much.
It's weird and tragic to see how they fell from grace and never really recovered. The sky was the limit, seemingly, but turns out they plateaued on the 64
It was a very experimental time back then, there no solid foundations or expectations of what a 3d was or what it could be. So much creativity
So basically, every Rare game on the N64 is like that episode of Black Books where they try to write a childrenâs book.
âHow about instead of the caveman, thereâs an elephant? And instead of the real-time strategy and the time-travel, theyâre all racing because heâs⊠lost his balloon?â
âBut it would still be my story in essence, my vision?â
ââŠYeah.â
"If Mario became Luigi, it could be very dangerous" is my favourite out-of-context quote in this video
đ I would love to find out what that's supposed to mean. Very ominous...
As dangerous as Jesus becoming Lucifer, with his emerald crown.
The context I put this in is "If Mario becomes Luigi, the game crashes."
Even though we got Banjo and Kazooie, I feel like Dream was such a tragic loss. It looked to have quite the potential in both forms that were shown off in Rare Replay (the footage shown in the video) It should be noted that some things from it found their way into other games. Captain Blackeye who can be found in Banjo Tooie was to be the main antagonist of Dream and even hints to the fact of this game when you talk to him saying things like "Once, I had a dream" and "A bear and bird took my glory, kind of looked like you" Also the main theme (heard in this video) got reworked into a Donkey Kong track and later into a track used in Viva Piñata called Oven-Fresh Days. The song High Tides, Swift Sails found in Rare Replay would eventually be reworked for Gloomy Galleon in DK64
Wow, you just wrote the script for a "Did You Know Gaming - Dream" video!
@@RealRomplayer Heh, thanks, though I feel I'd need a lot more info then just that.
The lighting and shadows in Dream were always impressive to me. To get something that almost looks like real time lighting on the SNES is amazing!
Yes, it could almost pass for an early PS1 title. Very nicely done!
It just looks like Donkey Kong County to me. Which is great for a SNES game.
I have a feeling the guy who gave that "Mario turns green like Luigi and that must be dangerous" answer had never heard of The Incredible Hulk.
Ryota Kawade: "The power of Rage made him turned Green."
"If Mario becomes Luigi than he'll be very dangerous!"
Rage and going Berserk, turning Green, and huge power boost. Nintendo lowkey confirmed Luigi is as strong as the Hulk.
I often hear the Klobb was named in 'honour' of Ken Lobb, but I'm not sure how accurate this is. At the time it was thought that naming the absolutely worst gun in the game after him was meant as an insult, after Nintendo of America had forced Rare to censor the more violent aspects of the game/blood and the use of actual gun names. I certainly remember reading this in N64 Magazine.
(Seriously, the Klobb is a pea shooter with horrendous accuracy/RoF, and a miserable magazine size. You don't accidentally make something THAT awful).
the sound of that gun firing sounds like it's falling apart đ
Censoring the gun names is a legal issue. Many real gun names are copyrighted, and they probably didn't have the time to verify which ones were safe or not
It's the reason why even some COD games change the name of some real guns. In some releases they just... didn't get the rights lol
@Instagram User you dont have any content
â@@Wartooth91 I think that was supposed to be the "joke"
I take it to be just the desperate, toothless edgelord weasel words of an untalented little kid who actually couldn't make content this good (or really any at all) if his life depended on it, thus settling for the pathetic sort of attention that this kind of 2nd grader stunt in a comment section garners him for all of 15 minutes.
@@WIImotionmasher sorry, yeah fairly certain youâre right on that. My other point regarding censorship/interference stands though. Thanks for agreeing about the lack of accuracy, âlolâ
Rare was such an impressive company back then and still is today. They jumped into 3D gaming headfirst with like a 10 person team and almost no prior experience and only things to reference from. And yet, they still managed to make games that defined the console and pushed it to it's limits.
Ten person team???
Today?..... hahahahahah....no.
@@jrrr9219 No, I mean isnât he 90s.
@@PDIcomics I didn't respond to you.
@@jrrr9219 I meant to say in the 90s.
The Pokemon Snap cut content really fascinates me. The fact they would originally were gonna have boss levels and then Nintendo incorporated that into the new Snap game is really awesome. Also, I would have loved to see a safari level in the original game with ekans and other safari pokemon.
Fun fact, Banjo was originally a background character in Project Dream. The pirate in the Banjo 2 was actually a character from that game, and hints as much.
Oh,.and Perfect Dark was Golden Eye 2, but they couldn't use 007 anymore. That said, it's better than 007 in every way.
Oh,.and Conker made his debut in Diddy Kong Racing.
Funny that only a few of the characters in DKR went on to be characters in later franchises. I feel like all of the characters could have gone on to have their own game series given the resources (though I imagine it was never the plan to do that)
@@NinjaLobsterStudios and if not a a series for each character individually, then definitely a series including said characters. Itâs too bad we didnât get to see more of these guys. Iâm sure if Nintendo acquired Rare instead of Microsoft, we might of got to see it
You should check out their other videos on the N64. Theyâve made a ton of them
5:32 to skip the sponsor segment.
This guy đ
Why? What's wrong with indie games?
@@GabePuratekuta Nothing, but not everyone wants to sit through a sponsorship segment. Personally, I'd rather we be told who's sponsoring the episode right at the beginning. An indie game? Sure, I'll give that a look-in, but stuff like Buyee has no appeal to me, and DYKG has already got the sponsorship deal, so it doesn't hurt anyone. People can still watch the sponsor if they want, but I'm just hoping to make things more convenient for those who don't want to.
If technology wasn't advancing so rapidly in the mid-90s, I bet Rare would've liked to make a few more SNES games.
The transition to the N64 must've been difficult for Rare, but the results are worth it.
To be fair, maybe it's just my old man nastalga, but it's 2022 and I want more SNES games. There is just something about that sound chip, that makes wonders, and impeccable sprite work can never be beat by good graphics imo.
Absolutely love the N64. It was my first system and I still frequently play it.
I appreciate that, even after all of these years, yâall at DYKG are still making quality videos. They may not be the most popular, but I definitely find them enjoyable
They make good videos, but I wish they treated it more like Did You Know Gaming instead of Did You Know Nintendo. Almost every video they put out focuses on Nintendo.
@@L33PL4Y the non Nintendo videos get drastically less views i assume
@@lakitudude7577 They do, which is a fatal error they imposed on themselves. They did mostly Nintendo videos, which built them a primarily Nintendo fanbase, so now they feel like they have to do Nintendo videos to stay alive. If they'd just do more non-Nintendo videos, they'd build up more non-Nintendo followers and the non-Nintendo videos would get more views. Their current model is unsustainable, eventually they're going to run out of Nintendo trivia entirely and they'll have to stop exclusively doing Nintendo videos. I'm looking forward to that day
3:07 âNatalya has been killedâ. I saw that message in Goldeneye so many times back in the day. Even today I still sometimes fail that mission.
I was stuck on that map for months. I was showing my cousin the game and beat it. I wasnt even trying to beat it.
Not gonna lie, a caveman RTS sounds like a really solid concept.
I canât imagine the feeling of realizing the only way a game could be released in a good state was for it to switch genres. To have to scrap a ton of work and start over with a fresh new idea mustâve been hard. Especially in the days of early 3D, when developers had a whole new dimension to wrestle with and use.
That is actually one of the hardest, but most important skills for a game designer: Letting ideas go if they don't fit, no matter how much you love them.
Learned that from Mark Brown.
I think the most impressive thing about goldeneye is how for the soundtrack they turned one song into sixty songs
And that they got Banjo-Kazooie composer Grant Kirkhope to help compose the music for Goldeneye and Perfect Dark.
Knowing how little of the original Paper Mario had to do with "paper" really makes me think the focus on the arts & crafts gimmicks in the newer titles has missed the point.
12:49 "A bear stole me glory. *Looked a bit like you, he did!"*
It was a very experimental time back then, there were no solid foundations or expectations of what a 3d game was or what it could be. So much creativity it is very inspiring.
Was kind of hoping you might talk a bit about Castlevania 64, how Cornell from Legacy of Darkness was originally designed for the first 64 game as an imprisoned werewolf trapped in Dracula's castle, how there was going to be a 4th playable character named Collar who was like a mashup of Ash Williams and Frankenstein's monster that got reworked into the Gardener enemy, there were plans for a whip-swinging mechanic like in Super Castlevania 4, Carmilla was at least partially modeled, the boss Carrie fights in the Castle center was planned to be Sypha resurrected as a vampire, etc. Honestly you could probably make a whole video about the Castlevania series
My cousins would come stay with my grandma all summer long. I lived next door. They would bring their n64 with them. I always looked forward to getting to spend the summer playing banjo kazooie/tooie and diddykong racing as well as mario party. Rare games were my favorite and a very cherished part of my childhood that I had a "rare" opportunity to play :P
Conker 12 Tails is my most wanted beta. it looks SO GOOD, I mean I'm really happy we got the retail version of Conker but I really want to explore that Conker beta
Bomberman Heroes has my absolute favorite video game soundtrack of all time. I spend countless hours on that game as a kid. That drum & bass is sooooooooo good. đ
YES! The music in that game as well as Goldeneye was PHAT! I long for the day when a rapper freestyles to the scores of those games.
Im glad goldeneye turned out the way it did, think it was my most played game when i was a kid, just wish i knew what speedrunning was back then as watching content and even attempting a few runs myself recently made me really appreciate the game more.
For real. Glad multiplayer got added late in development, spent many many hours playing with family/friends. I could never beat facility under 2:05 on 00 agent back in the day.
@@AlGoYoSu same, some of those times are hard
Awesome video. Would definitely like to see more short style videos on how games changed like this one
So Mario turned green when he got angry, and your first thought was "hey, he's turning into Luigi"?
6:42 I still want a real Mario rpg 2
We all do...
I was kinda shocked to hear then say OoT didn't change much in development, what with Zelda 64, the N64DD stuff, and all the massive overhauls it had through the years.
Though I suppose at it's core it was still the same gameplay and genre, but the game on release certainly wasn't what it started as.
Still an amazing video though
So many dropped assets... A 3D town, the "unicorn fountain", a radically-different design for Link... plus the cut NPCs that probably should've stuck around, even as just market extras.
It was supposed to be first person at first.
@@genyakozlov1316 How did I forget that one!?
Another excellent research work.
The final stage of Pokémon Snap N64 is a boss battle vs. Mew. So yes, it had them - well, one.
@@SilverDusk1 To me, it does. Itâs different than other levels, and only has one character.
Bomberman Hero was fantastic, and also has a very catchy soundtrack. Always glad to see if get some love.
LOL, Paper Mario was literally one of only three RPGs on the Nintendo 64 (the other two being Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber, and Quest 64). So it being the best is rather by default, like winning tetherball against a quadriplegic.
I just want Microsoft to just bring back the original team to actually make Project Dream. Or at least make the demo playable. It's awesome to see more and more information coming out about that game after years of little to no information.
I miss the days when Rare was a good developer. They had loads of great games on Nintendo.
Love these longer videos
I'm glad I've seen previous videos with most of these tidbits.
I lost some of my old magazines but I remember one that had wave race as a boat racing game
Kid me never wouldâve guessed Paper Mario was once a direct sequel to Super Mario RPG. But Iâm glad I got to play it as it ended up. Itâs my favorite game ever! ^_^
@Instagram User I donât care. Stop your shameless spamming and take your nonsense off my comment, bozo.
@@theluigifan1 that bot has been everywhere lately spamming that same crap but with a few edits to fit each channel.
Paper Mario bores me so much it makes me want to delete the n64 app from my Switch
@@Tricolorrr533 Then do it? I donât know why you felt compelled to tell me that because I couldnât care less what you think.
@@theluigifan1 wow you're as mean as an rpg player can be đ
..."Oh-carina"? Never heard it pronounced that way before haha! Great video as always though! đ
Are you new here? đ
Isn't that how you pronounce it? He just went a bit heavy into the OH.
It's supposed to be pronounced "Ohcareener".
Wait, Banjo and Conker debuted in Diddy Kong Racing. Does that really count as a cameo if it was their debut appearance?
is there any other company like Rare where there devs were kind of a jack of all trades? they didnt have many people, but they put out so many different genres of games and they were all well made and very polished for many years. meanwhile as far as i know, any other company has dedicated teams to make one kind of game.
Early Squaresoft was a lot like that. Early Core Nintendo too. I think that was just how it had to work with early game design.
I feel like the N64 Disk Drive was a huge missed oportunity for the system, it would've brought some needed extra space for plenty of games that needed it and the fact that it was made with magnetic disks in mind would've meant cheaper games for the developers to produce and probably cheaper for consumers to buy. But alas, hindsight is 20-20, but I still like to think of what it could've been possible if they didn't cancel the N64DD in the west.
Edson: You took everything from me! đ
Banjo: Guh-Huh!
If only Nintendo had bought Rare studios. Cause Microsoft hasn't done anything with them. Facts
It really is just such a shame.
Honestly, that's more on Rare than it is on Microsoft. A lot of talent left Rare in the early 2000s.
@@DoctorMinjinx At least some of the OG team is working on a new Perfect Dark.
I wonder what pokemon would have lived in the haunted snap course. The ghosts are obvious, but there's only 3 in gen 1. Maybe some psychics and poison types. I could see something similar to diglette with Abra, teleporting around as you snapped photos and maybe evolving if you took enough photos
Dream becoming Banjo was the twist of the century.
the 2d sprite version of Project Dream on SNES looks SO interesting, like it could be a game between Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross
Imagine making a ghost pokemon stage for Pokemon Snap back then. There were only 3 ghost pokemon.
"It wasn't Pokemon, it was a normal game" is hilarious
Bomberman hero was so good man...love that soundtrack
Breath of fresh air for a video game add and not a Nord VPN add. Especially one that isn't a phone game.
15:22 The rabbit looking like a man in a suit. AFTON!
âN64â = automatic click
Thatâs the first sponsor Iâve been genuinely interested in for a while. đ
"Oak-a-reiner" of time đ€Ł hearing you pronounce Ocarina, never gets old đ€Ł
14:23: âWe have to make the Game less Childish!â
*Replaces the Lead with a Cartoon Bear* đ€Ł
Thanks for talkin about bomberman hero!
I knew most of this but I never realised Taj came from the mammoth
@14:25 you have to wonder whether or not they took some of the ideas from the Dream Project and place some of it in Sea of Thieves. It's common to have past projects influence future projects so someone should ask.
Thank you for the video~~~
Imagine if Earthbound 64 was NEVER CANCELED?
It wouldâve taken Paper Marioâs spot as the best RPG on the system.
It would have been released at the tail end of the system and be $200 cartridge only now and $1,000 CIB
Great video
"We need to make the game less appealing to children."
"Let's make our main character look like Yogi Bear."
Damn, this makes me wanna play Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Super Mario RPG and N64 NSO
Rare "well you see, banjo has a magic backpack, that's why he can do what he does"
Also Rare "Wings coming out of his magic backpack just doesn't make a lick of sense"
One thing you sort of got wrong (At least semantically) about Diddy-kong Racing. - You mentioned Banjo being a Cameo in the game but technically that's not correct as Diddy Kong racing released BEFORE Banjo Kazooie. This makes Banjos appearance in DKR a debut, not really a Cameo.
Banjo was supposed to come out before Diddy Kong Racing, but was delayed to Summer â98. DKR took its place for the Holiday â97 title, so it technically was a cameo. The instruction manual for DKR even mentions Kazooie, well before she made her game debut.
I will always watch a fact video on my first console ever!!! Still have my jungle green N64 from 1999!!
nice to hear how banjo kazooie and diddy kong racing started out
I've heard Orcarina, but Ocarinar- thats a new one.
15:30 so That's how Banjo&Kazooie got made. that's kinda cool
Would love to see a video on Dinosaur Planet and Starfox Adventures production.
âFor some reason, power of rage made him turn green when he was berserk. The programmer who created was a Luigi fanâ.
Not a Hulk fan at all then?
Bomberman Hero has such a dope soundtrack
18:52 I wonder about that... [looks at Diddy's hat in recent years]
When I heard him say, "Timber the Tiger," I felt compelled to say, "The Tynese ticken," and then I hated myself.
So many great memories with a lot of these games. Paper Mario, Golden Eye, Super Mario 64, Pokémon and many other amazing games!
Everybody was praised that Banjo-Kazooie back in Nintendo on the switch and I could definitely see why! They're still begging Rare for another Banjo-Kazooie game with the roots of what made the first 2 Banjo games fun and enjoyable!
But Microsoft told them to make a stupid pirate game instead...
These are interesting tidbits on what games got completely changed. Too bad Conker's not on the list
For some reason I though Dream became Dinosaur Planet and then Star Fox Adventures... đ€
I'm interested in the time traveling caveman somehow becoming the tactician in a command and conquer style RTS. I mean, he would have had to go into a future where none of the people with ray guns, know about survival tactics such as covering yourself in mud so that they can't be detected by the evil robot's themo-vision or something. or an alien with shield tech that can only be bested by slow moving projectiles, like arrows, javelins, spear thrusting....
oh and you could probably have the caveman learn a thing or two, and incorporate it/them into his tactics? imagine a caveman with a rocket launcher firing towards a rock face which collapses onto enemy targets.
Wasn't Diddy Kong Racing the *first* appearance of Banjo and Conker?
Your ad makes no sense I play games yet you explain a beloved game I've never heard of
klob as a weapon is probably the worst accuracy even if your directly in front of an enemy.... so yeah, says a lot about that dedication.
I have never heard of Project Dream. The N64 had a major lack of RPGs and that sounds cool. It can't be worse than Quest 64.
Whenever I watch these videos I think âAlright let me watch 5 minutes or so and watch the rest laterâ.. Yeah I just end up watching the whole thing.
For the Diddy Kong Racing segment, I'd like to point out that Banjo's debut was actually Diddy Kong Racing, not Banjo-Kazooie like many people believe.
loved the 'b-b-b-bosses' XD
I wanna see Did You Know Gaming of Dragon Quest XI, please?
I think that's the main difference between Nintendo and Microsoft
Microsoft found out Rare had a prototype of Project Dream and put It on CZcams where as Nintendo would have either locked It In their vault or destroyed It
And yet, Nintendo eventually released Star Fox 2, didnât they?
@@BrySkye yes they did
Who sponsors a video and asks the talking points of their game to include "Eat food to heal."?
Yup...pretty much every game Rare developed is amazing especially Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie
Banjo Threeie was tha bomb back then too
Still playing my console just about everyday especially since I got an Everdrive baby. Always have loved the console there's just so much about it that's charming and comfy. Then all the beta stuff is so fascinating and I get the biggest urge to want them more than other games. I'm so glad the n64 has recently had a big boom with modding, the gigaleak, and iceberg stuff.
Obviously the devs were going for a hulk reference when Mario turns green from the power of rage. What were they thinking with that Luigi comment?
Pokemon snap actually had mew as a secret and only unlockable boss battle.
There are real fun names in the goldeneye though
Sweet vid mates
Since Mariokart 8 has Excitebike and F-Zero tracks remade for it, I have been hoping the next game would get a Diddy Kong Racing track remade for that game.
I'd love to see a sequel myself, shame Donkey Kong Racing on the GameCube was cancelled.