TVS Apache RTR 310 vs KTM 250 Duke: Where is the 390 Duke? | PowerDrift
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- You are looking in the wrong direction! The new TVS Apache RTR 310 probably does not go up against the KTM 390 Duke. The pricing, the cubic capacity and the difference in performance. If you just take pricing here, maybe the RTR 310 goes up against the 250 Duke. Varun Painter and Ananya Awasthi with the answers!
#PowerDrift #RTR310 #Duke250
0:00-1:14 - Intro
1:14-2:15 - Looks and Quality
2:15-3:41 - RTR 310 Engine Feel
3:41-4:43 - 250 Duke Engine Feel
4:43-5:37 - Ride quality
5:37-6:56 - Ergonomics
6:56-7:20 - Heavy montage 🔥
7:20-8:31 - Handling
8:31-10:42 - Features
10:42-12:21 - Summary
12:21-12:50 - Meet the crew
12:50-13:01 - Blooper
13:01-13:10 - Outro
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A more sensible review. Elsewhere the RTR 310 is getting bashed for no reason, comparing it with the 390s, which makes no sense
Correct!
it does the thing is rtr base variant can be compared to duke 250 and top variant to duke 390 since it has such vast options to choose from
RTR310 comes with traction control and cruise control as standard so base model with quick shifter is enough. If you want top speed then replace the sprocket with RR310’s sprocket.
Rear bigger?
@@powerdriftofficialisn't the rear bigger meant for torque ? Smaller rear gives less torque but more top speed , learnt this while seeing a Duke 390 Gymkhana build
Yeah the rear sprocket is 46 teeth for RTR 310 and 42 for RR310
Changing into RR310 sprocket doesn't make RTR310 go faster bro we tried it 😁🤣 (RR310 owner )
Not with base model it's with fury yellow which is priced at 3.1 lakh on road
Y'all just ignoring the CB300r, it's as fast as the rtr 310, handles better as it's only 146 kgs and has a very refined and peppy engine. It might be lacking in terms of features but it's still a terrific experience overall. All for a price cheaper than the RTR 310.
We aren't ignoring it. Honda does not have one in their media fleet
Already purchased 250 🧡 it is more value for money bike.
Congratulations
Keeping touring also in mind which bike should i buy from this.
RTR for us. Way more comfortable than the Duke
Glad you brought this comparo. Thanks PD
Any time 😄
Nice Job Editor , that end clip 😏. Keep it Fun Stylish and Informative with Lot of Energy .
Thank you so much 😀
Miss the old Powerdrift vdos.. Quality videos, awesome bgms perfect sync to the vdos.
This wasn't ? :(
If you are looking at RTR 310, don't look anywhere else. If you are looking at Duke 250, also look at Vitpilen 250.
No
But bhai bhai no?
Still no 🤣 Svartpilen was ok but the cafe racer stuff is not engaging enough 😕
The new vitpilen is a street bike or one can say a roadster and not a cafe racer anymore, please visit a showroom to know more about it, its actually a duke 250 in a different outfit
vit doesnt have the same tyres as d250 which is my bike 😊
Triumph speed 400 will be my choice 🔥 ..... It's much faster than both , and I don't want much tech 😅 .... I'm driving a motorcycle not a computer 😅 .... Nevertheless your videos are exceptionally good .... Like editing , information , camera work is just on point ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Not everyone cares about HP blud ..
@@james_isaacpoint ...
Right choice buddy who needs tech when there is enough performance 😅
that's exactly how Yamaha works. simple and effective
But that’s not the motorcycle that’s confusing people
Not in position to buy any bike, but Watching all content as possible, the comparison, the engine etc...😊😊😊
One day, some day
Ho sakta hai..bhai k paas car ho😊
Great content team..Thank you.👍 Now any update on Xpulse 210?
Coming soon is what we hear
Awesome comparo!!
I am looking to upgrade from the 150cc class and I have two options in my mind - 250 Duke and Honda CB300R. I keep my motorcycle for 6-8 years and need long term reliability and pocket friendly ownership experience. Also I have cancelled Triumph Speed 400 due to the expensive service and spare parts. PD team and PD Army - PLZ SUGGEST!!!!!
We haven’t ridden the CB yet but the 250 Duke is fantastic
Cb300r is an absolute gem of a machine. Super smooth and refined bike with pricing close to D250 and Rtr310 and also mileage part and city rides will be Fun on this bike. Only the prob is 9.7 ltr fuel tank which could be covered by good mileage. I have booked it after test riding and two of my cousins have rc390 and bmw 310r in my family So i have experience of riding All.
omg!!! i was waiting for a video like this for a very long time . I was very much confused between these two bikes on which one should I buy and thanks to the video now I know
Glad you liked it!
I dont know about that headlight on the RTR. It just looks a little out of proportion. But thats just my take.
Yes reminds me of mahindra mojo
It actually looks quite nice in person
Thought the same! But I went to the showroom & saw it in real world, it looks nice!
More like the exhaust looks out of place
@@Pranav19k94 exhaust fit naked looks but looks out of proportion in BMW n tvs RR310
12:59 made my mind , getting a duke 💀
Does the duke 250 and 390 get key immobilizer?
Though not gonna buy these anytime soon, 13 mins of time well spent. Thanks PD team 😊
Our pleasure! 😊
What the base RTR gets extra compared to Duke?
HUH?
Great video appreciated , you guys are from another universe . Not a single thing missed
Much appreciated!
I got my duke 250 3 days back. In terms of a vfm product, hard to see a better option than this. Plus its fun to ride.
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After seeing the editing this time, I'm like - Bhai sahab ye kis line mai aa gaye aap! 😂
😂😂😂
Does RTR come with box type swingarm instead of aluminium ??
The latter!
Duke 390 is Love ❤. The Best 400cc 🔥🤩
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i already bought the duke 250, its looking so good in the video. good job on the colouring guys!
Awesome! Thank you!
Hey guys!
Like you said both of them have a relatively stiffer rear suspension, however which one do you think is better in terms of comfort at slow speeds and stability at higher speeds. Can you also please mention which of them has the better brakes?
How about if we add the Speed to the list? IG that's probably the best suspension setup of the 3 isn't it?
The RTR has better comfort for sure. Duke has better brakes
last bit was captured really well :) very nice review explaining the potentials of the motorcycles :)
Thanks a ton!
Which one required frequent gear shift at lower speed...(what the case of 390)
The 250 for sure. The RTR can stay in a higher gear easily
Quite happy to see the your team. I don’t generally see them in the reviews of channels. Due credit should be given to them and thank you PD for bringing them.
😊😊
Is it recommended for beginners to but duke 390
The 250 yes.
What about the Honda CB300R
No media unit, no testing
I'm eager to experience the RTR310🙀
Let us know what you feel about it
Duke 250 or CB 300R or Suzuki V Strom 250SX
Priorities :
Touring (serious wala, say 1000kms/day) + commuting
Reliability
Serviceability & Parts availablity
Really confused
Heart saying Honda
Brain asking for Suzuki
Confusion says KTM being cooked up for everything
In that budget, VStrom without a doubt
@@powerdriftofficial should I wait for upcoming adventure 250 from KTM
Wanted to purchase a bike within 3 lakhs. First option was Speed 400. After watching the ownership reviews which mentioned stalling, odometer freeze, cold start problems, engine shutting down at signals, I had to rethink. I don't want my motorcycle to be a mess. My second option is 2024 Vitpilen 250. Your advice is highly appreciated!
We're glad we could be of help and always get your test rides done before making a decision! :) Ride safe.
Please make a video on best touring bikes discussing about the shock absorbers who loves riding from cities to mountains
Anything in particular that you want to see?
@@powerdriftofficial As a traveler seeking recommendations, could you suggest a bike ideal for extended journeys and touring? I am confused between the new Himalayan, Interceptor 650, Classic 350 and the meteor 350/650 !!!
I am not seeking extreme off-roading but you can count the bad road conditions.
Please help 🙏
I would stay with Honda CB 300R❤
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Confused btw rtr 310, Duke 250 and Duke 390. Which one will powerdrift will suggest, when in all my rides there will be a pillion with me in shorter and longer rides?
Three different price points. But please take a test spin. That should clear a lot of your doubts.
If u have budget go to 390 or 250 apache 310 nice bike but its new and lot or room to improve its not completed product also services it expensive part experience because its not tvs engine its bmw engine service engineer not experience , pillion seat is like old ktm rc seat ,standard model not come with quick sifter u pay 16k more to get quick sifter,ktm duke 250 is chiper by 30k u only miss tft display and riding mode
How about Honda CB300r🎉
Much needed review and expecting Honda to update electronics and good quality tyres in its upcoming iteration
Media units have left the chat
@@powerdriftofficial 😅
And the tank?
@@powerdriftofficialHappy to let you try mine! Owner of Black CB300R BS6 Sept 2023, 15K km ridden
How close does the MT15 come to these when it comes to pure city riding? Is the MT15 a VFM proposition?
Its expensive for a 155cc motorcycle but its got its own strengths
@@powerdriftofficial Yes, but it competes with 200cc in performance I think and 150 cc class in mileage so worth the price tag?
i am confused, i took test ride of both, as a 6 foot guy 250 feels smaller but way more agile than 310, but 310 has a liitle kick in acceleration in the initial gears (i loved it), is it at 5 bhp more making that difference ?, 310 has more vibration i felt it, but 250 seems to to calmer and refined, as a 2011 FZs owner any of these two bikes should give a considerable upgrade, i ride city ride and highway combined and occasional long rides. will 250 lifted to 820 mm seat height give a better experience ?
For your height, the RTR will feel a lot more relaxed. If you are okay with the refinement, go for it
@@powerdriftofficial thanks 😁, booked it, will be owning it by tomorrow ✌️
@@senthamizhan665 Can u say the feedback of the bike it vibrates a lot?
@@harihhs5520to be honest it vibrates, but not to the level of concern, it is purely based on your previous bike you owned, if you ride a smooth bike back to back you will notice, or else you just enjoy it. the vibration disappears at 90+ and the bike feels more confident at triple digits, ride modes also changes the vibration levels, feels smoother in sport and track mode
@@senthamizhan665 is there a delay in throttle response? Vibrates at which speed and is vibrates a lot does it feel low confidence to handle or?
Please also add Speed 400 and CB300R
Not the same category for the Speed. Honda does not have a media unit for the CB.
Love the way they introduced the heroes behind the scenes.
Team work makes the dream work.
For a short rider which bike would be better?
Both same have the same seat Height.
Both the motorcycles should feel okay.
this makes me curious about the next gen rr310
We are curious too
When the bext gen rr310 will launch? Is there any update? Any official tvs word??
Amongst Speed 400, RTR 310 and duke 250 which bike se fun to ride in city and occasionally highways.
Duke 390 running cost will be higher soo i removed it from my list.
Get speed 400 dude,I recently purchased and I'm just lovin it,yeah lookout for heat in heavy traffics
Fun = Duke
Features = RTR
VFM = Speed
In Nepal, the price of KTM is Rs. 7,40,000 (4,62,000 Indian Currency) whereas RTR has not been launched and if it launches, it will be around Rs. 9,00,000 (5,62,000 Indian Currency) for the base variant. If I had enough money, I would go for the RTR because this time TVS completely nailed it in terms of looks, features and every thing.
How’s the service experience in Nepal Surendra?
Get a 390, never gono stop amazing you with its power👀
Boom 💥
very good review. After watching features of both bikes and especially price, I decided to go to bajaj platina ( if they are still selling it )
Plot twist
How's the rtr for a 6 feet guy? Previous bike was hornet (2016 model)...
VP is 6’2” and felt very comfortable
Honda 300f
Which bike should we go for and will be more comfortable if The daily ride is a total of 60 km (up+down) with 40 Km of Nice and straight traffic free road and 20 km of Village roads with some really bad patches ? Duke 250? Or RTR 310? Or anything else above the 200 CC mark?
Please take a test spin!
I had taken test ride of both the bikes and in the end went with the 250 the rtr has lot of vibrations post 6.5k rpm didn't feel comfortable with that but I honestly love the rtr if there was no vibration I would blindly go for the bike but one more thing to keep in mind is that the tvs service is a hit or miss sometime good sometimes bad as they have only 3 premium bikes and only few service centres who knows how to deal with these bikes
varun sir you read our minds and uploaded and what we are looking for
Team effort always VP says
Was confused between these. Went with RTR 310 fully loaded kit.
For me the only con of RTR is that it is not that flickable as Duke 250. Except this, I'm loving the RTR.
Get a test ride for both the motorcycles and come to a conclusion 👀
That might help you out 👀
Infact the RTR handles as good as the Duke! Better tyres too
Bro already bought😄@@zolo4420
I'm a short guy 5'1". 😅 Took test ride of both, Duke felt more flickable because of better weight distribution. But went with RTR as it was better overall package with kits.
@@powerdriftofficial
You guys should compare them with cb300r too.
Yes for sure provided Honda gives us a media unit
This is called quality of content
Thank you :D
Wanted to know its worth spending the extra 50k on yhe RTR over the 250. Usecase is mostly city rides, with occasional long rides (8-10 hours). I already took a Test drive of the duke and it's comfort is perfect for my frame if that matters
Then you already have your answer
Then comes service, maintenance and tech support. TVS needs to do double the work in that aspect.
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Can any one give me a clarity about which is better in terms of service
The KTM should be cheaper and better
I wrapped my gen 3 250 and now it is a convo starter. Folks at signals keep asking about it 😍
What parts did you wrap and which colour
@@govindruby5020 all the orange bits. Wrapped black and gave the bike white radium linings....it reflects light in the night and everyone loves it 😍
Noiceee
At 240800 i think cb300r is also comparable, and people who doesnt care about features would also consider cb300r since it is Honda
But no media unit bruhhh! How do we test it
Thanks for letting me know that we need to buy both the kits...up until now I thought the pro kit has all the features whereas the normal kit had limited features
Here to help
Im really confused between rtr 310 and triumph 400 🤯 please help
Two different classes
Can tou please tell me which one i should buy ....
1.KTM 250 duke
2.apache rtr 310
3.triumph speed 400
I am so confused please help me 🙃
Take a test drive of each of them..
Bingo Pravin!
Duke the OG hooligan.
Nice to see the whole team who brings us such nice content. Very nice gesture.
Cheers!
Which one of them is more enjoyable and fun to drive? More than features and specs on paper it’s an important factor to select one.
KTMMMMM
Thank you.
I bought RTR 200 in 2022. It runs just fine. Do i need to upgrade my bike?
Do you want yo upgrade to something bigger? Why fo you feel the need to do so?
@@powerdriftofficialI feel vibrations at low RPMs and also I feel the ride quality is not smooth. I do 300km per month in city usage only.
how does the Speed 400 fair with both these motorcycles?
Different motorcycle completely.
Suggest a bike with pillion comfort for 150 to200km ride..
Splendor
@@aravindbnr I think platina is far better than splendor ☺️
Between the two? RTR but neither of these motorcycles are too comfortable
platina with abs abd cbs 😂
@@gamerlucky 🤣
i don't need features but i need a good power and torque which one should be better RTR 310 or duke 250
or i don't look at both and go for RR 310
The RTR’s engine is definitely more tractable. The 250 needs to be revved out
Make a video about riding gears what you use what is recommended for a beginner cost effective and practical solutions for every gear. Thanks
Sounds good!
@@powerdriftofficial thanks will be waiting!!
Love to watch varun sir in the video nice video pd❤
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I must say, this was by far the best video on your channel all around + appreciation to the team is appreciated as well. Make videos like this with more honest opinions like this @varun
Much appreciated!
Varun and Jim Jam. Name a better combo I'll wait.
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Duke 250 owner here, chose it over the rtr 310 mainly because of the price and service. And I'm loving the 250.
Good to hear that mate.
Bro, I am really interested in buying the Duke 250 not trolling you but I have a serious concern. have you ever been called Chapri because you own this bike or other people of your age considered you some lowkie asshole . I nean what the peers call think about duke. Bro, are you understanding what i am trying to say..😅
If you're looking at the TVS one, be ready to get lots of headaches as many of those fancy features might not work in a few months and good luck finding a good service center. (I own a ntorq, RTR200), my father has Raider
Oh hoo! That’s not good to hear
What features didn't work in the TVS vehicles you own bro?
@@vickypietersen7326 many things, rtr stopped within 1 month of purchase multiple times and didn't start, within a year in between the road the gear lever came off, clutch plate had to be replaced and they didn't honour the 5 year engine warranty because the dealer forgot to update the last service records.
For the ntorq I was not able to use the xconnect app, millage is 30-32 even though I don't drive fast, there is a vibration sound from the speedo from day1 console for which the dealer told need to install a rubber padding which is not available now and we will bring it within a week, sadly 2 years ho gaya aur wo la nhi paaye, btw I raised complaint with higher authorities and for the issue in ntorq they said that I have to take it to a service station which is 60-70km from my place (dealer service was within 6km), the other option was that they will pick it up but repair and return will take 3-4 weeks, so they would need 3-4 weeks to fix a rubber padding.
And I can keep on adding here but I think you got the point.
Just to add, check reviews of tvs service centres, you'll understand.
Wow, my reply was deleted so quickly 😄
Glad to say that none of the feature ever stopped working on my RTR310 model which is 2 months old with 5500km. went around to do 200km in a single stretch and 800km in 13 hours of drive time. and it was comfortable. i am 5'7". this bike hardly need any maintenance and i come from handling Ntorq as my touring machine. timely make oil and filter change. and air filter replacement. most of its bolts are 5mm allen bolts are so far its proving to be easy to maintain.
As far as me is concerned i deal with hardware and software on a daily basis so this kind of tech bike is easy to figure out. and for some less technical individuals yes it is going to be troublesome.
app experience is 7/10 and the one this TVS pushes is their silly voice command system which is very annoying. and its the worst by far.
counting speed breakers(physical and human :)😅) inside city, i am not sure how would you use higher rev band and still call 250 a city bike, remember cbr250 used to be tourer. about rtr310, it has low end grunt by sprocketing and high revving engine of rr310, so it should come out as good city and tourer or atleast track bike or if you want all of it in parts. For touring it has thrown crruise control which you forgot to mention. Please do make comparo of rtr310 and duke 390 on touring ground, i think they will make a good tourers (not best in company of adventure tourers but fun tourers)
RTR if you really want to tour. The 390 feels too cramped
KTM Duke 250 Gen3 / Triumph Speed 400 / Honda CB300R -- all of these are roughly in the same price range
which one do you recommend & why ??
Actual competitor to RTR 310 is Honda CB 300R.
Wish Honda had a media unit
@@powerdriftofficialThey hardly have testing unit😶
What if i want to buy cb 200x? I need your suggestions
That's not competition here
I would any day go for cb300r when compared with these two motorcycles,
1. Best price now lowered so
2. Best acceleration
3. No non sense features
4. Best in class mileage because of the compression ratio and light weight
5. Lightest in segment period.
6. Best handling bike
7. Last ......... Besttttt in class reliability.
Flaws:
1. Just one that is fuel tank its ok I will live with it now in india for every 100 km you can find a petrol bank so its ok.
Well we haven't ridden it yet.
Would have been great if there is cb300r along with
Mate! No media unit 😢
Like VP said, no media unit
@@powerdriftofficialI've 2023 CB300R (not OBD2 one).. I'm happy to give if that helps
The Dukes look amazing now!
They sure do. But a lot of people aren’t okay with the looks as well.
City mei kei Vibration bohot zaida feel hota hai kya guys? RTR ka
Jee haa
Guys so , do u have any idea about pulsar 400 series ??
This month is what we hear
@@powerdriftofficial I hope so 🥲❤️
After soo long Varun in his element ❤❤
VP likes this!
The indian one is giving enough tough to the Austrian one
But IMO i choose KTM over TVS
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overall a good video as expected from PD just the overuse of memes takes away a bit from the appeal. great video overall.
Tried to do something different! Thank you foe the feedback
I love ANANYA! ❤ what an addition to the team!! I am sure many female riders might have subscribed after this video...❤ She is spontaneous, confident n a true rider!! 👍 She checked all the boxes against you Varun...😅, Nevertheless, great review....! I like the new addition of Climax. ....so touching to introduce the team behind this great video....! 👍 ✋️ 👐 up for them! Keep up the good work.....❤😊 By the way .....I still need to digest Apache 310....so will opt for DUKE 390!! POCKET 🚀 ROCKET!!!❤
Good to hear that Rishabh :D
Opinion for vitpilen 250 vs Duke 250?
it's the same bike minus a few things. The Vitpilen has the MRF Revz which is objectively much worse compared to the Steelbraces on the Duke, which is better than the tyres on the 390. Vit misses out on traction control and ride modes while the Duke has them, it also has a tiny bit more wheelbase but not much to make a very stark difference in agility. The seat is 20mm higher on the Vit though it gets a flat spacious seat unlike the Duke which has less space in contrast. If you like Swedish minimalism the Vitpilen is a beauty but the Duke is objective an all round better motorcycle.
@@sayantanchatterjee3626 Are you sure Duke 250 has traction control?
Opposite. The Vit has TC and Duke doesn't.
Same same no?
@@kabbiraam2513my bad it doesn't, everything else still stands. The difference is mainly the design and tyre, very similar bikes with very different visuals.
Mt15 or duke 200??
We need to so that comparo!
The rtr is super buzzy than the KTM. Other than that I don't see any reason to complain. TVS has given it all. People who can afford the luxury of electronics will buy the kits, people who cant can still be happy with a good product base version. But this bike wont sell unfortunately. TVS needs to bring an ADV asap with all these BTO goodies.
ADV sounds good 😌
The these memes make the video more enjoyable😂❤
Heheh! 😂
why not rtr 310 vs cb 300r
Because no CB300R media unit
honda is mad
Test ride every bike and that's the true Test...No matter how many videos you watch,
depending on your demands from bike, and the feedback you get, you'll not be so confused about buying one
Test ride always!
While reviewing,kindly mention the Height of the rider....
VP or Miss Awasthi?
@@powerdriftofficial VP
Sorry. I missed from team. Didn't point btw 2 for agility, reliability Pros Cons in both..can't figure out still 😢
Check the handling section again
Your content is already enjoyable, you don't need those overused memes in between guys. Don't ruin what's so good in your vides 🙂
Noted! :)
@@powerdriftofficial ❤
One name. One bike. Honda CB300R. Do review it soon PD Army. Thank you....
NO MEDIA UNITTTTT!
Varun's looks are just making me jealous now😏
You should look at him now
One of the best option in comparison.
Sure thing
Save money for apache rtr 310, save some more money for both BTO kits and buy a duke 390 gen 3😅
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that was good 👍🏻😂😂😂