Massey Ferguson Backhoe Stuck in Reverse - Remove Transmission and Clutch Packs - Part 1
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- čas přidán 15. 04. 2023
- This Massey Ferguson 30 / 300 Backhoe is stuck in reverse. We remove the "instant reverse" transmission to inspect the clutches. The problem is pretty obvious.
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"this isn't diesal creek" ... good stuff.
Matt will buy it from you 😀
@@redhawk4859 yeah! 😅😂
Matt has so many projects going he already needs a clone or two of himself.
Wes this was awesome
DD Speedshop
Replace the bolts with sockethead cap screws. You'll thank me later. 😁
That's a very good idea!
I was going to say the same thing Allen screws with washers
Yep.
Good Idea or 12 points socket bolt. Better than Allen screw I think.
@@Mmercier942 torx bit
Wes, this is one of your best. It has everything - the soul destroying absurdity of having to do things not once but twice, "in the field", the cockfest of fastener extraction, the need to manufacture parts (how on earth did you manufacture those valve like things? ), the photogenic superiority of the Loch Ness monster to pics in the manual, the sheer terror of splitting the gearbox and - wait for it - the business proposition that any rational man would run from!!! As someone very acutely commented this is a case of two backhoes or no backhoes. I feel for you. Have the bevvy. I'd recommend more than one (bevvy, not backhoe)
"the photogenic superiority of the Loch Ness monster to pics in the manual"
That is what happens when you photocopy coloured photos with a B/W copier.
I had manuals that had coloured bands on the edge of the page, photocopying gave you a black edge and made it look like a funeral notice. 😁
Big give away that it was not the original manual.
I've done that job plenty of times, but never on my own, I didn't think it would be possible, you have some serious skills, and balls of steel.
That looked like a 2 man removal job. Then only one guy can work on the trans.
If you mention Diesel Creek, then you already know the answer: You can't own just ONE piece of crappy equipment. Long ago, he needed his crappy (but running) skid steer to fix his crappy (and non-running) skid steer. Just yesterday, he used his bulldozer to drag his mini excavator off the field of battle. That only leaves two possibilities: two backhoes or no backhoes.
Did you count the number of the same ride on lawn mowers he owns. 😂
Snowball down hill of needy metal ( that is worth saving).
@@Mark.R_ To Matt's credit the Cub cadets are just as much a hobby as anything else, he collects the old girls.
Didn’t know the BH39 was considered a mini. Those steel tracks make it like huge lol.
Either way it’s not a cheap hobby. And requires a lot of land to store all that equipment
@@Mark.R_ I counted 13 Cub Cadets in various states of decay.
"Then again, this isn't Diesel Creek" 🤣 You could always get Matt to buy it, he buys ANYTHING! And he did miss out on buying something at the last RB auction!
I thought Matt said he doesn't really like backhoes
Flush with funds? Matt buys broken stuff so he can make content, or at least that's what he tells Mrs Diesel Creek;)
@@dwitcraft Yeah at times I wonder if he enjoys sleeping in the garden shed/doghouse. 🤣🤣
LOL! He'd have to scratch the paint, rip the seat, then put it in a Richie Bros. Auction for Matt to show interest!
@@johnmccallum8512 It's why he now has a new 40x60 workshop, I mean apartment. Lol.
Hello Wes. Love your channel, watch all of your videos. I am a CZcams creator as well and from Illinois too. No, It is not a good trade Or I should say it's a good trade for the other man. You already have too many projects, all though not nearly as many as, matt LOL. Keep up the great content
"What's the worst that could happen?" I don't have any advice for you, Wes. Pardon me if I admire you just a little more. Your willingness to tear into some of these problems just amazes me. Reminds me a bit of myself when I was a lot younger. I'm still taking on stuff like this at 74. More power to you, kid!
"I mean, this isn't Diesel Creek." I literally LOL. That was a hilarious insert just for Matt's ears. Also, "I've seen better pictures of the Loch Ness monster." Your humor is getting to be as good as your mechanical skill.
Wes, you're not only a brave man you're also willing to accept a challenge.
I can say from experience with an earlier Massey with this style transmission that they're really nice to use when they're working. That shuttle shift transmission is very nice to use when you're running the loader. They were way ahead of their time on that design. Same speed forward and reverse is mint. The thing I didn't like about that machine was that it's a Rube Goldberg machine in tractor form. Mine had a gannon box on the rear instead of a backhoe, and I had nothing but problems with the lift valve mechanism. You've laid hands on pretty much everything that sucks about these machines though, so maybe you shouldn't be afraid of all of that. It's relatively clean, it's complete, and you know it's going to work when you get it back together. I'd say do the deal. You'll never sell that loader and 2-post for the price of a complete backhoe plus your labor. A running/driving backhoe with no leaks of any year is probably going to bring $8-10k. I'd say $3k max for that loader and lift. Make the deal, fix the tractor, then sell either that or your Ford. Keep the one you like better. Better yet, since you have other tractors with loaders, sell both backhoes and get yourself a mini excavator. You'll like that for hoe work a lot more.
definitely go for the mini excavator .
I definitely would not make the trade.! Your channel is about the only one that shows all things that you’ve made mistakes with and then shown how you fixed them. As a wise person said, “You learn by your mistakes.” Your an honest lad who teaches others… which is great. Thank you. Great channel. 😁👍🏻🇦🇺
Wes I must agree here. Backhoes are such a limited machine and most people have woke up to this and don’t want them.
The facts are in the video - it’s worth nothing. The owner of the MF has just realised how many hours more will be spent to get it running. The statement about razors underlines the truth.
Wes, you and Mortske are my all-time favorites on CZcams. You aren't afraid of hard work and your dry sense of humor just slays me. Your "Loch Ness" comment made me laugh out loud! Also, I am so impressed with your skill at sleuthing out electrical problems. Please keep churning out these videos.
I love wes, southmain auto, diesel creek, and Andrew cam. Every time wes puts out a vid I always click on his before I watch anyone else, btw I have a channel as well if u want check it out 👍
Lock Ness got me too!
Then Mortske leads you to Puddin, he's a hoot!
@@mylor1066 Yep "Seen Better Pictures of the Lock Ness Monster" Im using that term but I have seen manuals that are that bad!
"This isn't Diesel Creek" gave me a chuckle too. I'd say one of the best ones is "So we should be home free" followed by the sounds and sights of a gas axe though.
"...perpetual content machine..." BEST ever!!
There is no doubt the one thing above all others about yourself that I most admire is that you will work on almost anything. Of course I realize because of You working on so much that your experience and knowledge base is logrythmitly increasing upwards. My dad made me repair anything on my first car and started me on a mechanical journey. Its not my vocation but I turn my own wrenches on all my own equipment. which includes a diesel tractor and a diesel truck. So I love this content. Plus your dialogue is amusingly entertaining. Thanks!
Wow! I looked at replacing the a drive belt on my Toro walk behind mower and gave up without a fight. Took it to my favorite lawn repair guy. I thought I worked way over 50 years so now it’s time to read a book and help out a younger man by paying him to fix my problem. At my age (and four time cancer survivor) who knows how many books I can get read. 😊👍
When I made my apprenticeship on farm equipment in the 80’s we had an angle iron frame with two dollies that go under the tractor to split them. It seemed to work pretty good. I did many clutches with that setup.
On the trade it comes down to how much money you could get for the backhoe after it’s fixed. Compare that to your loader, lift and labor.
It’s not what it’s worth in the “market”. It’s what it’s worth to YOU that determines it’s value. Great job as always Wes!
What a nightmare. I can't even imagine trying to put that thing back together. Could you possible use cap screws instead of hex heads? You are fearless and gifted. Good combination.
First off, thanks, Wes, despite spending a couple of formative decades around MF tractors, this is the first time I've seen one split. IH, FarmAll, NH--seen all of those split, but never an MF.
Secondly, bravo on carrying off that split, as it's clearly a task.
Thirdly, serious chops for making it into a good video despite the clear need for extra sailor language while at the task.
Ask the backhoe owner. He's getting what he needs in the deal. Unless you can get lots of money for the backhoe, You're only getting something which is redundant to what you already have. A "good deal" is defined by improving your position.
Well said, Bob.
Yes sir
And losing something far more valuable in your business, the lift, even if it will become a backup seems a poor strategy. Also separating bucket/loaders from their tractors is generally a bad idea and greatly reduces value of the tractor, especially if old. I would pass on the trade.
Yip. The deal was only proposed for one reason, to get rid of a problem.
A well reasoned answer.... and do you really need a machine that has been a thorn in your side even as you were getting paid to fix it?
That manual was "reprinted" by photocopier set to text mode which essentially tries to make grey scale into black and white.
"We're home free", we just need a cutting torch.
Trade it for stuff you want to get rid of anyway, finish it and sell it to buy parts for the other backhoe. You get a "finish this" video, and "2-post lift tear out" video", a "loader removal" video and "new post lift" video, and a whole series of "fix the other backhoe" videos.
Yeppers! Read my comment above re: a ham radio manual from back in the day....
I second this
Wes,
Your undertaking of very complex and dangerous projects make great content. Your personality , knowledge and humor brings me back for every new video.
Thanks,
John
There is always a hole to be dug and I hear that the mechanic that worked on it before was halfway competent. Plus it will make for great future content so pull the trigger Wes.
Love the video Wes. The thing is I can't blame the owner for wanting to keep the old girl running. He's lucky to have you doing the work for him. Replacing a piece of equipment like that is almost impossible. Used ones are totally crapped out by the time they're ready to hit the used market. Nobody is selling a good used backhoe. And if they do you're going to pay new prices for it.
I'm not real sure but I think he was the owner?
@@trueheart1372 No, watch all the way to the end
@@12345NoNamesLeft your right
Wes, stop calling it a 50 year old machine. It's now a 2 year old machine! Enjoy your content.
I wish that were true!
The ship of Theseus!
At todays used equipment prices, I’d say it’s a fair trade, especially if you were already planning to remove the loader off the Oliver and replace the lift with a newer one. I saw a 70’s JD backhoe sale this past Friday at auction for $9200, non running!
I’m LOLing at the username.
@@Rorschach1024 I've often thought that it was a good thing that the ship of Theseus didn't have a VIN. That would've been a real hassle at the DMV.
I think you're probably right on the 'worth basically nothing' portion. 2WD backhoes are a bit cheaper than 4wd, as I'm sure you know. That loader and two post lift is worth more than the backhoe in its condition, IMO.
Your mechanic skills and never wavering sarcasm makes me a fan/subscriber from day #1, keep it up Wes! ... it's a pleasure to watch you work ( and comment ) ... again greetings from The Netherlands ( Holland 😉 )
Love your sense of humour Wes, I always get a chuckle. I admire the scope of jobs you take on, especially on your own!
Wes I feel you pain , worked as a tech at a municipality that liked to keep equipment way beyond its prime, repairs were often a exercise in futility, getting parts was always fun as well.
Wes, only you are in a position to know the value of the machine for trade purposes . Also how you can budget the available time you have and what that time is worth to you (and your family).I applaud you for taking on the transmission repair of this unit - not many without prior experience on such a unit would even attempt it. So Talley Ho , lets go!
Was just thinking haven't heard Wes say " well there's your problem lady ." Not 5 seconds later , there is was . Thanks Wes , made my Monday.
Hello Wes greetings from the UK, great content again and being a retired truck mechanic I love tractors and heavy machinery. My Dad was a farmer so I grew up messing around with all sorts of stuff back in the 70s & 80s. I still love tinkering with anything from lawnmowers to trucks but I don’t do the heavy lifting anymore. Someone beat me to suggest using Allen cap bolts especially if you are going to keep the machine for yourself. I guess the other thing to look at is once you have repaired the Massey Backhoe is it worth a fair bit more money than the trade for the front loader and lift. If so you could always sell the Backhoe once it’s fixed. Keep up the great content and I’m looking forward to the next instalment.
"The Loch Ness Monster" ....one of your best!
Wes, How often do you find yourself needing a backhoe? Rarely is my guess. And if you needed one, couldn't you just borrow or rent one? Time is your most valuable commodity. Spending time fixing an old piece of equipment you really don't need is wasteful. There are only so many minutes in a persons life. Fix the man's backhoe and get paid for your labor. If you want to sell the other stuff, do that and keep the money to buy something you or your wife would really enjoy, like a vacation. Oh and Wes, thank you for the videos. Your comments are instructive, humorous and yet, somehow, calming. Thanks and best wishes.
That was funny Wes, the gift that keeps on giving. 🤣🤣
I stopped watching This Old Tony because I got a notification of Watch West Work.
And oh my it's back!
This Old Tony was just going on about his ball nuts again.
Heh. Sounds kinda personal.
Sounds like a good deal to me. Backhoes, at least here on the West Coast, even in horrible condition are bringing in the neighborhood of $15k-$20k. Don't know about your area. It eliminates the hassle of selling the lift and loader and you can always sell the other backhoe for parts to someone. Add to that, you have gone through the offered Backhoe and know exactly what you are getting and it is already torn down to complete the repairs. Sounds like a no brainer to me. But that is just me. Thanks for sharing.
Massey held the patent and sold the reverser to just about everyone except maybe Deere. As an old MF service rep, my heart is singing:) Keep'em coming!
With reference to the manual "...better pictures of the Loch Ness monster." gave me my daily chuckle. TY 🤣🤣
from dirty Dodge's to a Detroit Diesel, Wes can fix it!!
Wow, you have pure guts to tackle that. That bright red cherrybomb just makes it so much gooder. Take the deal, you know once finished it is all good. The Ford isn't. And, you are out only your labor and clutch plates.
Thanks Wes. Your dry humor and comments have me laughing out loud. 30 minutes with you is the best material I've seen all week thanks again! Thanks for taking us along. Keep them coming.
The weak point on those is the clutch pack.
They are built undersize.
Go ahead with the deal!!!
At least on your channel we do learn something! Your channel has value!!
As an owner of multiple pieces of junky farm and construction equipment, with three different pieces currently broken and waiting for my knee to heal up enough to crawl around repairing them, I would think your "razor blades" suggestion was the most viable solution. (In response to your request for input.)
But you are hurt see and I am too and it turns out a hurt man dont need nuthin to work on!!! Broke my kneecap in half on my motorcycle. I will be out of commission for a while.
Sell them
Love the content Wes! Even though I'm out of Ag machinery business now (car wreck) I remember all too well the frustration doing that. I admire your work ethic
"this isn't Diesel Creek ", and the evil laugh after popping out the clutch pack retaining ring made my day! It's your decision, but you are good at this stuff and know the history of the machines.
Regarding the trade, do what makes the most buisness sense! Part of what makes your channel so great is that its an unpretentious look into a working shop, not just a guy having fun with the money printing machine
taking out those shafts with out loosing the needle bearings is like disarming a bomb. Love all the different stuff you work on. learning stuff ill never directly use but am fascinated with.
Loosing needle bearings a Nightmare ! Been down that road to many times ! L o L
As long as you’re getting rid of the hoist and taken the bucket off, you’re into it for so much already if you fix it before we can sell it for a profit.. are you have a Lotta replacement parts for other tractors to fix? Good deal. I have a Ford 548. I’ve been trying to figure the wiring out on it to get it running again been sitting for a quite a few months. Are used to be able to do that stuff. I’m 77 now and forgot a lot. Lots of luck with ever you decide. I really enjoy your channel.. your kid, your wife, your dog they’re all great also..
We have identical senses of humor - which is why I look forward to every video!
Thanks for the video, Over the years I've seen some rough Masseys and other basically scrap machines like Kleemans Ford he's "fighting the battle with". I'd say this ones very straight with some wear and age related problems, it doesn't have 2 ton of extra plates / pigeon weld all over it either . If you can do alright on the swap without dealing with 100 clowns off craigs list/market place first for your stuff.Then repair and keep it or sell it later for profit somewhere, or do the same with the ford and keep one if you choose I'd do it.
My buddy has that same Massey machine but with a cab and it's way rougher than this with the welding and extra plates. He says it pushes snow real good and actually bought it to dig a basement for his house/yard expansion . He has 10K in his with repairs like I do with my JCB to get them right, to be honest we both have machines that were cheap to buy at 5K each. They both might sit months without moving, then get used for all kinds of stuff round the yards/farm five times the next month. They are both worth way more than we have in them to sell, but it would cost 20K plus now to do it and you might not find a better machine to replace them in the end . Take care
Great work Wes. Brings back good memories and challenges of changing the clutch on my fathers IH tractor.
The deciding factor for me is how long do you expect the swing motor to last with the worn splines. Of coarse at home and work we keep everything well past the projected end of life. Thanks again for a another great video
Very valid point, doesn't sound like those are readily available in good shape used either.
“I’ve seen better pictures of the Loch Ness Monster”
Good shit Wes!
yer ability to fix over such a large variety and age of vehicles is awesome!
Happy Sunday! Thank you for bringing us along.
Any tractor driveline work is usually pretty evasive. Add in the difficulty of the loader and backhoe frames it is more than most people are equipped to deal with. It is probably still worth fixing and selling or using yourself. The Perkins diesel engines I have been around were not great cold weather starters. Thanks for the videos, Wes. Hopefully the Mrs doesn’t notice her baking pan missing.
I loved your comment about pics of the loch ness monster! You are either a brave man taking on this project or not the sharpest tool in the shed…. I always enjoy your content. Thanks.
Wes and his one-liners are spot on 💯
I always cool to see how clean some of these old machines are on the inside, despite being so grungy on the outside. As far as that deal goes, I would say that it is reasonable, given how much work you have done to it. Parts availability would be the deciding factor for me, though your other machine seems to be of the same vintage.
Gotta respect yer work ethic Wes.
You know the condition of the unit and the local market so I'm postitive you'll make the right call.
Wes one of the things I like the most with your channel is the variety. A truck one day, a car the next then a backhoe. Thanks for showing us. I am glad to see the channel growing.
First your a brave man Charlie Brown for doing this by yourself. Great job.
Hello Wes I live on a island in the caribbean i have the same struggle over here your a verry talented mechacnical keep up the good work i love your video's best regards Peter from Curacao
The difference is that you don't have to wait for the winter to pass to start working on it. You do it all year long!
It's practically new since you've been replacing everything on it. It runs so the trade might be worthwhile. You can always sell it!
Love how Wes dares tread (mechanically) where few dare to go...
Just do it! 😁
Floor jack, transmission jack, two bottle jacks, gantry crane, jack stands. What a clusterfuck... Nice work!
Wes, I remodeled a house years ago, that at one point had the water pipes had frozen. I had to make a swaging tool to expand the existing pipes so I could add new to it. I made it from a piece of strut rod. This saved me a lot of hours and money for new pipe and fittings.
From one Wes to another thanks for the great videos as always. You’ve already done most of the repair work yourself. If the fixed rig in your area will fetch more than the loader and the lift I’d say put the work into it. Keep it and scrap or part out the other one. Or sell it after you fix it then use the money to fix your other one.
A trade that you don't initiate is actually theft in disguise! Great video Wes!👍
WOW super cool to have such a beautiful history with a magnificent machine, unfortunately it’s a sad story but us the viewers of your work well we like your content
Joe
Hi Wes More KUDOS to you for taking on the challenge. Splitting tractors a major
udertaking at best. Usually a various amount of nightmares before completion.
Regarding the swap/trade go purely profit minded. You have to recover your costs etc. From what I saw on the video. I expect you are on the short end of the trade. If you actually need a functional backhoe maybe a different equation. Good luck with your decision. Personally I would keep the 2nd hoist install it outside to use in good weather and have as a backup. Keep the videos coming.
"People are afraid to do this work" yeah because its rocket science to 99% of the population. Great work, keep it up. Don't sell yourself short.
21 minutes of total fascination!
Excellent stuff Wes 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks for this video - looking forward to part 2. IMHO, I would make the trade - why? - because a functioning backhoe with this documented repair/maintenance history will always sell easily and for a good price in the future - it has a far higher value than the post-lift and the loader, both of which you were thinking of shedding anyway. Good luck with whatever you decide and thanks again for the great content.
Maybe find hex socket head or torx head bolts for the transmission case, so next time you need to take it apart you can use power tools
“This isn’t Diesel Creek.” 😂
Yup, that raised a laugh in me.
I really admire you and the guys that work on these heavy pieces. Adds a whole other element of difficulty.
Lockness monster 😂😂
@@IGDZILLA whatever tf
The trade sounds like a great deal …… for the backhoe owner.
You honestly are the best judge of that piece of equipment do you know what inside and out. Change the bell housing bolts to Alan headed bolts. It’ll make it easier going back together
This has to be another nemesis that you have encountered over the years so far. I remember this one now and another one. You have the patience of an angel when it comes to something that is a total mess. Thank you for sharing this this is gonna be a fun ride
Sure would be nice to have a mechanic around here with as much knowledge and ability as you. Sure you don't wanna move to Pa? Great videos
Heh. How about Hawaii?
@@cm-hw5ww I live in North Georgia and we "almost never" here dueling banjos from the woods.
@@WatchWesWork How about Australia? We could do with a decent mechanic here. Our "rusty $#!+boxes" contain less rust than cars you describe as "rust free".
The coldest temperature ever recorded where I live is -3°C (~26°F) 🥶. It even snowed here once. And I do mean ONCE. 90-something years ago.
@@dfross87 & @ Watch Wes Work I second that! You;d have a great time here in Australia. Nice people and you can pick any climate you like!
@@altonbarbee8864 I have family on my late father's side that live up in the hills and have been there too. Spent one whole summer with the cousins and Aunts/Uncles in 1982.
Really enjoy your videos, especially your presentation and sense of humor. Regarding the offer to trade the backhoe I suggest you ask yourself these questions; Am I in the used equupment business or am I a mechanic? What use do I have for a backhoe? If I trade for the backhoe and simply sell it will it return to haunt me? How do I get hold of Diesel Creek? Keep on keepin' on!
I like your style of presentation. Therefore, you are one of my favorite channels. More content please!
That is by far a fair trade. After the work you've done to this machine already, it will do all the piddly stuff you never knew you needed to do 😅
Get in touch with Kleeman, his Triple Nickel could use a parts machine. that'll get rid of one backhoe. thin out the herd of I'll get to it at some point projects is always a good thing. with the Massey, you know whats been done since you did most of the work Wes. Plus, it'll be a great content creator, it'll already be at the shop anyways
Jeepers and im worried about changing my plugs in the F150😂
Whenever I hear Massey Ferguson I run in the other direction. I enjoy your videos!
A heck of a lot of work, 👍you can do it Wes. I’m impressed with your skill and knowledge.
Wes, it would be great if you could break down the time it took you to complete this project at the end. Basically how much time for each part of the process took. Even a guesstimate would be helpful/interesting.
Man Wes those cordless ratchet’s sure are nice aren’t they? I’ve got the Milwaukee one an man it works a real treat on bolt on turbo compressor housing and well pretty much anywhere that you know a bolt is but can’t really see it or get an impact on it. Anyway great video as always very interesting and entertaining. Keep it up man
Humor + expertise = great content.
Honestly Wes you know the machine. You know what’s been done so it might not be a bad trade
Wes, I think that is a solid deal. Thinking that 2 post lift is worth ~2500-3000$ That front loader is probably close to the same give or take. But pretty much all of the major work on that backhoe has been completed. Sell it, likely worth 10k+. Love the channel! Don't blame you for putting this off.
That lift is a give away item around here. I've seen two go for free in the last few months. Old lifts from shops just don't bring much money and are hard to get rid of. I live a couple hours south of Wes so I can't imagine it's much different there. New lifts just aren't very expensive but they are a lot of work to install. I've sold three new lifts in the last few months. The old ones two went for free and the last was a labor trade to help install the new one. The heavy equipment and tractor I don't know squat about. It's been 30 years since I worked for a township.
Could you imagine how much free time Matt from Diesel Creek would have if he had all the mechanic's skills and sensibilities of Wes?
I'm just kidding, he'd just use that free time to drag even more old machines to his lair :)
He's got the bug for sure.
Great job with the teardown Wes! Who man, what a big job to split the tractor in half! 😮 At least the problems aren't much worse. Trade doesn't sound too bad but like you said, you already have another backhoe. Hope things have been well for you and Mrs. Wes . Take care and be safe 🔧
Egads, you're bringing tears to my eyes listening to this litany.
As you might know, both ends of that tube collapsed because of the metal MF used for it. Inferior metal does that, Wes. Knowing about how much pressure a hydraulic system is able to produce, it's no wonder that those ends did fail before they did. So, yes, you were partly correct about why that tube collapsed. I could only imagine how much oil spewed out from between that collapsed tube and thst seal.
Thanks for tge heart, Wes.
It's quite possible that they opted for mild steel instead of some special stuff to save like $1 per tube