How to build an ultralight and low budget alcohol stove kojin style!?
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- In this video I show you how to build an ultralight low budget alcohol stove kojin style. A kojin style alcohol stove is one of the most efficient stove designs on a low budget and consists usually of a ceramic insulator or carbon felt as material. In this video I will show you how you can build easily your own kojin style alcohol stove, explain and show the differences between ceramic insulator and carbon felt as well as a short comparison between the trangia spirit burner and the BRS3000-T and why and when I am using what I use for my wild camping adventures.
Hope it inspires or helps others in building their own ultralight low budget alcohol stove!
ATB Stripey
The capacity of the stove is 20ml. In my experience it is enough to boil 1l of water without refilling fuel (obviously depending on wind, outside temp, etc.), if you want to be on the safe side and only want to build one stove I would recommend 30ml. You can also add some mesh as a cover for the filling material, again in my experience it doesn't add anything to it.
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:-) Thank you for the extra info*
Great video! I Just have one question. What kind of alcohol do you use? It's just out of curiosity - personally I would use ethanol, because it can have more applications (food safe disinfectant, medicinal, fuel and recreational).
Thanks a lot.I use bio-ethanol which is like 8 pounds for 2 liters.
@@StripeyHatGuy Thanks! I was not aware they pack it in bottles 😁
Hey Stripey! You said the stove was easy to make and you were right! This is excellent and I will be making one as soon as I can. It makes the Trangia look so big and heavy. Very functional, can’t wait to start using it. Thanks Stripey, I was going to buy one, but making your own is far more satisfying. ATB!
Yeah absolutely! Even when it isn't perfect but as you said the satisfaction and also the understanding how things work are just great. Nothing better than using your 'own' stuff outside!
Thanks
Stripey
Ahhh more quality stripey content!
8:13 I love the phrasing here
Looks a great little stove personally I prefer gas but for those who like alcohol stoves it's great
Yeah, I do think there is a place for any type of stove. I used exclusively gas for 7 years, now I like the alcohol one - might change in the future. Sometimes it is just nice to change things up 😎
Wow yes ure perfectly correct stripey gas is good but for the meals ure preparing for ure nights out ure little cooker is perfect for heating water for ure tea ure coffee and ure dehydrated meals thanks for video friend
Aye absolutely mate! I really believe that every stove has its advantages and disadvantages - the question to answer is basically with all the gear the same 'what do I really need vs. what I want'
Thanks a lot for watching!
ATB Stripey
Hey Stripey. I'd love to see a video on how you dehydrate your food. Your channel is great.
Thank you very much Phil! Great to hear. Just finished recording the video about dehydrating my favorite backpacking meal 👍. Will post in in 2/3 weeks 😎
Cheers
Stripey
@@StripeyHatGuy Love your channel. Your channel is a result of you loving what you do, walking in some amazing locations and filming it. Not smashing out gear reviews and only sleeping in your back garden 😉👍💪
I wish my back garden would be big enough 😂😂😂
Thanks so much for doing this video, its going to help me alot 👍👍🙏
Thanks a lot mate! 🙌👍
Thanks Stripey, fascinating video. I have a Kojin stove that I use with an Evernew 600 pot and a Caldera Cone Sidewinder set up. The Titanium Sidewinder Cone rolls up and fits in the pot along with everything else. It’s expensive but i like it and
Thank you very much! Yeah a cone is they way to go when ultralight and (fuel)efficiency is priority- out of question!
Thanks a lot for watching!
ATB Stripey
Fantasic demo & information :-) Thank you so much for taking the time to share* Sending well wishes from Scotland*
Thank you very much nseight!
@@StripeyHatGuy :-) new subsciption from me
Thanks a lot
Like you say, the gas is easier to regulate, heavier yes but honestly, i’m not too bothered. So many people love the alcohol type and thats great but i just don’t feel happy usi g it, so gas for me. Love your videos, keep doing what you do stripey👍👌
Thanks a lot Phil! Out of question is gas much more convenient to use, screw on and cooking begins! Comparing stoves by weight is from my point of view only 20% in the equation. I love my gas stove as I do my little alcohol one - each has his usage/advantages/disadvantages 👍
Thank you very much
Stripey
Nice Stripey, I know the benefits of the alcohol stoves vs gas, but I prefer the latter now after a bad experience with how long the alcohol (in this case my trangia) took to cook food. I was on the Dungeon hills in Galloway during the winter, with a snow storm squalling from time to time. I really needed to eat before going to sleep but I could see more squalls coming over the hills and my tent was too small for cooking inside. Waiting for the water to boil (10 mins or a bit more) felt like an eternity as I watched the storm coming in - luckily I made it just in time. Since then, I've left the alcohol set ups at home.
Likewise though, I've had gas (3 season) freeze on me before, leaving me unable to warm up with hot food. Decided that alcohol was the way forward until the above happened, haha! 4 season gas from then on.
Completely understand you Scott! I actually never bought other then the 'extreme' gas, apart of in the UK now as it is quite a price difference and I got the 'mini jetboil gas canister's in bulk fairly cheap (3.5 pounds for each can). Said this in really cold conditions I never really used my BRS3000T as he is borderline weak for melting snow, but just such much lighter than my multifuel from the 90s 😂
At the moment I am happily using the alcohol stove, but I guess a stove is like a tent - perfect in one season, ok in another and during the other seasons you find a way that it works for you 😂
@@StripeyHatGuy Exactly, plus, it's easy to get addicted to different types of stoves, haha! I went through a phase of "I want this, I NEED this" and thankfully I've settled on my setup.
I did like the look of that Soto lighter after seeing Robins in action, especially when learning how hard it can be to light alcohol in the depths of winter, but I ended up with a gosystems 'torch' which is essentially a tiny, super strong blow torch that can be used for soldering xD
Yeah I saw Robins and thought to myself why do I get hot fingers when I don't need to - very nice for an alcohol stove 😉. I know the feeling that you think that you need XYZ that you can out or even enjoy the outdoors which is a huge mistake - said this I do enjoy my carefully selected gear even when I limit my gear and not the other way around 😂
That's why ther are stoves like an Optimus Nova. :))
Great Info! Very Useful!!Thanks
Thanks a lot 👍
@@StripeyHatGuy I Have Now Made 3 Of These Following Your Design! The Scraps I’m Putting Inside A Stainless Steel Tea Ball!! So Thanks Again For The Inspiration 👍🤗👍
You are very welcome, self-made/adapted/modified gear is just always the most fun to use! Wish you a lot of great adventures with it 😎👍
Awsum thank u, very interesting
Thanks Stripey. Love your channel!
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Thank you. Great video.
Thanks Christopher, hopefully it helped 👍
Thanks dude, this is awesome!
Thanks a lot Nikki!
Excellent idea to keep in car incase you run out of or forgot your gas stove.
Very true!
Great video Stripey😁..Really enjoyed it ..Great insight into the different types 😁..The first one is so lightweight 😁👌🏻
Cheers
Robert
Thanks Robert 🙌. Great alcohol stove for my needs, but for sure nothing like your jetboil 😂😂😂
@@StripeyHatGuy Much lighter though😁👍
Yeah is always a trade-off between speed, comfort,money, weight,...there is really a stove for everyone 👍
Very helpful, thanks so much for all the info!
Glad it was helpful, thanks you!
Love the tutorial and definitely gonna make one myself. Could you please share the windscreen and pod stand that you use with it, Since this design looks like its performance would be hugely affected by any breeze. Thank you!
The BRS flame is way to concentrated in one place so it's rubbish for stews, fried eggs and pancakes..
After 20 years of cooking on a Optimus 8R (Hunter) i switched to a Trangia clone. (MilTec) and use it for over 10 years allready.
Never felt uncomfy with it and with the simmerring you can slow cook.
The Kinjo type is nice for boiling smaller amounts of water for coffee or freezedried meals.
Just my 2 cents.
Thank you! Nicely done.
Thank you jan
Cheers stripey.. i think u can add the carbon felt stuff to the trangia too to make it safer (if ur old school, or need the trangia to fit ur pot stand etc)... but i shall be knocking up one of these as well... cheers ATB
Hi mate,
oh I didn't know that! Kojin style alcohol stoves are super easy to make and also super cheap to buy - can't go wrong with it in my opinion!
Thanks for watching,
ATB Stripey
@@StripeyHatGuy Cheers just said because i already got a trangia... i use bio eth just like urs from B&Q.. but would like to know if there is a difference betwen meths (purple) and bio-eth in colder temps.... maybe a future vid this winter???
Yeah would be for sure interesting but unfortunately I do not have the purple stuff and I am not going to buy some as I read and also Phil in the comments mentioned that the purple stuff burns with a lot of soot 😉👍
@@StripeyHatGuy beg, borrow or steal some,,lol u got two tiny stoves to run side by side.and compare it................ joking.. few beers down by now :) ive had more than 1 person tell me meths are ok for the soot.. so i dont know what to believe... ATB again sorry for drunken comments, have a good week
Never wrong to ask, I have a look what I can do 👍Enjoy the beers, Prost 🍻
edit: Wish you also a good week 🙌
Enjoyed that, was interesting and informative. Have you seenstives made from beer cans, with holes trangia style? But I suppose they'd suffer with the same waiting to bloom problem 🤔also wondered if some of your ceramic wool would solve the spilling issue with the trangia? Look forward to your next video 👍😸
Thanks lomino + 😸! Probably you could but I am not sure why I would do it? The Trangia is a brilliant stove out of question but if I would add the ceramic wool I could just do a bigger kojin style stove with the benefit of the weight savings.
Cheers
Stripey
Thanks for idea!
You are very welcome!
Nice wee video Stripey. I'd end up mucking it up if I attempted to make myself one. 😆Not so much for a man of your talents. 😉 I'll stick to ordering them from Speedsters.
Fair enough, exactly the same and we are talking about such a little price that it is by the end of the day rather about the joy to build a wee thing that you can use outside for your hobby. Didn't know that you have 'two left hands' 😉
@@StripeyHatGuy 2 left feet too 😉
😂😂😂with the two left feet I can relate 🤣
Excellent Stripey - I need one of those, Bio Ethanol Or Meth Spirits? (just because I have a lot of meth to use up, the purple stuff) Cheers 👍
Thanks mate! I use the bio Ethanol from B&Q (8 pounds for 2 liter) which you can see in the video 👍
Hi Mate - I seen that, and thanks for the heads up on where to get the Bio, was just wondering if you knew if it worked with Meths as well (I am old school and have always used meths which can be a tad smelly and fumy) I have never heard of or used Bio - if it's cleaner I would just chuck all the meth I have - Cheers👌
I heard that bio Ethanol burns cleaner but don't have a real comparison - said this I have not really a soot problem on my pot using bio Ethanol
Bioethanol burns clean. No annoying soot compared to meths or isopropyl alcohol. I even tried adding water to the isopropyl to cut down on soot but it didn't really work. Bioethanol all the way👍
Thanks Phil! - I have about three and a half 500ml bots of purple meth (was cheap though, will use for firelighting) dont use my trangia copy much but do want to get lighter. 👌👌
No mesh like the speedster stoves?
I use alcohol, petrol and isobutane stoves but am finding the price of isobutane is going up and is often quite scarce. I can always get meths or bio ethanol though so am using either my speedster or trangia more often now.
Last year we did a long walk in France and there were no screw on gas canisters to be had but there was always bio ethanol or camping gaz. In Scotland in May the prices of gas canisters were ridiculous.
I have been thinking of making my own like you did. You can get the wadding used in home bio ethanol fireplaces and an old tea strainer makes a good cover to spread the flame a bit.
The weight saving is huge as well.
Hi Ewen 👋,
in my experience the mesh doesn't add anything apart of another material which is difficult to get your hands on (used my damaged sieve/strainer already up 😉). Did a comparison for myself to see if it is effecting anything and I couldn't make a difference out tbh.
Regarding the materials...I actually went to home Depot or B&Q not sure anymore and just asked if they would have a wee piece left over and I got it for free.
The weight savings are huge for weekend trips, not sure how it will be for a week long hike - probably the weight favor will change to a gas/Brs3000-T stove.
Cheers
Stripey
@@StripeyHatGuy We took a trangia on a 10 day hike and brought a litre of fuel. We had tons left over.
Interesting about the mesh. I think I will have a tinker. A trip to B&Q is needed anyway for some more bio ethanol so will pick up some wadding.
Do you use anything under the burner to stop scorching. I have a disc of silicon coaster which does the trick.
When I am outside I use just some tin foil to protect the ground, double layer is usually sufficient. Like the idea of the silicon coaster 👍
Try paraffin oil in the Kojin stove.
Hi stripey,
Where did you get the ceramic wool? I guess it’s difficult to buy just a wee tiny bit?? Looks great though and I am going to put one of these together. Nice wee video mate! Paul
Hi Paul,
I asked actually in B&Q or Home Depot (can't really remember) for a piece of waste and luckily they had one which I got for free. No idea if they usually do it. You might now a builder or some other handyman - alternative you could get a smallish piece of eBay/AliExpress but it is a long travel for such a cheap piece...or you just wait until we meet up 😉
Cheers Stripey
@@StripeyHatGuy that’s what I will do! I will bring a wee tin! 👍👍👍
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Interesting setup. Just done a very cold wild camp -10c. Unfortunately, the gas stove failed!!, so I'm looking to try alcohol stove just for boiling water. Watched your other videos and would be interested in buying something simulator with the sane type of windshield if you could point me in the right direction on where to purchase a decent alcohol stove/setup. Thanks!
Well this was also my problem hence I built my own. I am currently in the process in making it ready for production - so if you can wait a bit than you can have mine 😎👍
I guess I will need around 2-3 month - have it on my Patreon if you are interested in the progress but no worries I will as soon as I am ready post it in the community post.
Edit: In the meantime you could sleep with the gas cartridge in your sleeping bag...I know but it works
The existing solutions are all highly inefficient in comparison to a cone as a windshield and pot stand (around 30% less efficient)
Tried putting the gas and stove in my sleeping bag, but due to the extreme temperatures we've had recently, the gas failed fast! Always use gas with no issues. Keep me posted. Thanks anyway.
@garywelch7969 can I asked if you used the Coleman extreme gas? In my experience this one works fairly well in low temps as long as it is still more than half full
Unfortunately, no jetboil gas😂
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Does the carbon wool one need alcohol poured in it to burn?
Yes it does.
Nice video! Can I place that particular wool into the trangia in order to make it spill proof?
Hi RollingMonte 👋,
haven't tried it so I can't say. Said this I can't see why it shouldn't work.
Thanks for watching!
ATB Stripey
Silt question: why not just use the cab without a wick?
Hi Pete, not sure if I understand you right but without the wick it won't be spill proof.
@@StripeyHatGuy the trangia all its copycats are not spill proof either. Why is it spill proof so important for these ultralight stoves but not for the trangia and similar?
Not provoking or anything. I am just genuinely curious if I am missing something here.
Appreciated Pete!
I can only talk for myself, for me personally it is just for the peace of mind regarding the spill proof properties. As mentioned, I never spilled my Trangia and I probably won't 😉. The biggest advantage for me is by the end of the day the weight savings as I do not need the possibilities which a Trangia offers to me - I just need 500ml boiling water.
what if ceramic wool is applied in a trangia stove?
What do you want to achieve?
I already have a trangia stove, I wonder if I can make it more fuel efficient. I suspect it is not spillproof because of its' jet holes.
Ah ok. I don’t think that it would make it more fuel efficient tbh. as it wouldn’t really change any of the trangia characteristics - but that is just an assumption, haven’t tried it. Unfortunately I do not have any more material laying around as I gave a lot of the wee stoves away to friends. Next time I am in a home improvement market I will ask for some cut offs, interesting question and who knows what the effects will be.
@@StripeyHatGuy
Thank you for your info and useful video.
I thought so, regarding trangia stove only give a small portion of space to work with, the rest of its chamber couldn't be reached out by any material. Thanks anyway.