Lorna Shore 'To The Hellfire' - Vocal Coach REACTS
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It's really entertaining to see vocal coaches and classically trained people taking on the giants of deathcore and extreme music!
And they appreciate it to. most others don't.
All thanks to youtube.......
Now if only we can get him to react to Will's one take vocal performance of this
Please remember, DeathCORE is a streamlined version of it's more evolved, refined and nuanced predecessor DeathMETAL. Death Metal vocals were considered more of a percussive implementation of vocals that was necessitated by complex and busy nature of death metal music. Especially as it evolved and became super complex in the late 90's with bands like Atheist, Death, Cynic and Gorguts. DeathCORE is considered by metal peers, socialites and critics to be simplified death metal for lets say's, lets developed and refined listeners. Especially youngers listeners who did not live throught this sort of evolution of the genre. One thing is for sure, you have picked up one the high use of production layering and 'tricks" as you listen to the music. This considered a 'pernicious sin" in a genre that was built on the idea of constantly evolving craft competence. Try not to give this genre too much more attention as it mostly considered undignified and childish by metal and music critics alike because of its studio production antics. I enjoy both your channels and will keep doing so! NOTE: DeathCORE bands have been chastised and ridiculed for their use backing tracks and ghostwriters - another unforgiveable transgression with the metal genre as a whole.
@@jc319ad Blah blah blah, it's music, like it or don't. All music comes from other music. Some people look into stuff too much.
"There it is, you have a complete song..."
Me knowing there's 45 seconds of filth coming...😎
This comment right here 😂 if I didn't see it I was gonna type it 😂🤣
I love watching these reaction videos just to see peoples reactions to the last minute of the song. It is always hilarious
Literally was like 😈😈😈😈
The filithiest filth of them all incoming 😏
That's really the only part I'm here for. That "ah the e-" *shock and disgust* moment
Will just released a live, one-take performance of this on his youtube channel. It's incredible.
This, please watch his one-take. I'm waiting for a vocal coach to watch it.
@@aaronirick198 then this "he can do this no way without editing." finally stops.
Came here to say check out the one take as well. Will is a force of nature and he does it so effortlessly
That breakdown never ceases to brutally murder me.
I've died so many times.
I listen to this heavy breakdown to stop me having one
I love how "classic" musicians started to find the musicality in metal, especially during the pandemic 😁
I think it all started with Jinjer - Pisces
@@nicolasrodriguesdossantos1881 And Ghost Love Score
@@rolsen1304 Symphonic metal is rather musical in general, it's when they start getting into more extreme metal where the true door opening happens.
You don’t know it’s only for CZcams views don’t you
@@angryktulhu We all know it
He sings this live spot on. Do a rewatch of the song on a live performance. It's his voice.
Spot on not that ive seen
Impossible with all the vocal layering that's going on, but I agree, that he's doing a very good job live.
It's simply amazing 😍
@@blackstarzful yep I’m so sad that they no longer come to the UK in February 😞😭 I was so looking forward to hear the “slaughtered demon pig breathing out it’s last breath” outro live.
@@MsJustice4ever wait what!? Are they no longer supporting Chelsea grin??? That has just ruined my day 🥺 where in the UK are you?
never gets old watching people react to this song
As a metal fan, I absolutely love watching people like rappers and such seeing this and being straight up scared lmao, like, it's just a song, you're not possessed now 😂 but it's so entertaining to hear people go like "I'm scared" lol lol, meanwhile Will is one of the kindest and most well mannered guy I've ever seen, he would hold his gran's yarn while she crotches and listen to her life stories. Scratch that, he would do that for anyone's grans, and listen truly interested, and ask them to teach him how to crotchet and have genuine fun at it, leaving the grannies feeling so happy and less lonely. And I love that about him almost as much as I love his voice, and that's only cause I fucking absolutely love his voice just so much, not at all because I downplay his wholesomeness!
“Sounded like a cheetah! I gotta hear that again”
Little did he know he would soon hear ‘pig shot in the lungs’
Will ramos just released a 1 take performance of this, 100% raw, no doubling. Need to react to it asap!!!!
I agree I personally like the raw version of the song of the abyss
@@papakilledu5443 he did release a raw version
These guys just shifted the genre with a 3 song EP
Totally.
Deathcore always does this every few years. In my opinion, the last one was Infant Annihilator's The Palpable Leprosy
Its not all new grounds, its Epic themed guitar, mixed with purity of deathcore. Many bands do this style but lorna shore is popular.
@@zombiegunner3arc82 and before that was suicide silence with the black crown, I think was the Punk Rock MBA channel explained the 3 waves of deathcore with them
@@igor.meh.design big fan of Finn. Our Endless War by Whitechapel, The Black Crown and even Attack Attack! & Doom by JFAC were also big for the genres, in their own ways
There is some layering on the track, but Will also has an ability to sound, sort of layered, which makes it seem even more layered than it is. It's kind of hard to pick out when he's doing it but it's the like gargling (almost) sound. He has incredible tongue placement and knows how to use the back of his tongue in his throat to make an echo.
If you roll your tongue to one side while doing the highs you can make the same sound. I think he pushes his against his teeth and creates a tunnel though.
Will Ramos posted video a few days ago of him doing a run through of the song in the studio, basically what he sounds like live, it is worth a listen, he is otherworldly! And those drums!
I can vouch that their vocalist can hit all of those tones perfectly live. Probably one of the best live performances I’ve witnessed so far in my life.
The orchestra is much more prevalent in the other two tracks on the album. The whole EP is a masterpiece.
I highly recommend watching Trevor Teichert's one-take vocal cover of this song. You'll see how how his mouth shapes the sounds and it's MESMERIZING.
I was blown away by his cover. Yes mesmerizing is a good description
hell yess best cover of the year !
Lots of cool stuff going on with Will's vocals. There is some doubling in post, but I don't think he's using any sort of pitch shifting on the lows. Usually lows are produced by the false folds vibrating instead of the true ones, similar to clearing your throat. The false folds are responsible for subharmonics in kargyraa throat singing, oktavism, etc., so there are some similarities. The lower timbre comes from opening the vocal tract wide and placing the resonance further back (Alex Terrible has some thunderous lows because his vocal tract is humongous). The opposite is true for the highs, which place the resonance as forward as possible and have a narrower vocal tract. Will sounds like he's using "fry screams" for his highs, as well, which are when you close the vocal folds beyond the point where modal voice is produced but leave enough slack for you to push air through, creating the more distorted sound. There's a sweet spot where it's not enough to strain or cause pain, but it takes a lot of practice to find. I have years of classical training, but I've found that deathcore vocalists (this genre) are pretty much as agile and athletic with their voices as opera singers.
The highs may well (especially the ones that almost sound pitched) also come from a technique where vocalists find the break in their falsetto and push past it to get an almost pterodactyl sounding noise.
Having seen their new song Sun//Eater performed live, can confirm the man can dig DEEP.
Will goes from high to a low extremely fast in the breakdown of the song "Of The Abyss" I love it!
"that... that's the part right there!" - ken @ 4:13
everyone else: oh boy you're in for a ride
*sees title*
This is where the fun begins
Will live is simply amazing- saw them live 2 weeks ago and he hits everything on this song- amazing to see!!!!!
I can confirmed that the recording is Triple Tracked (he has himself backed in other false chord ranges, high, mid, low), I've seen another video with the isolated vocal tracks. He absolutely has the full upper and lower range as I've seen his live performances.
My reaction was very similar to yours
With a few more listens though I was able to really wrap my head around everything that's happening and it is all wonderfully constructed however this is an intense amount of sound. And at a few times it seems to all wash together into a wall of sound that is nearly indecipherable. But I bet your reaction after a few more playthroughs would be a bit different.
Also this band is a part of the subgenre of metal known as Death Core, most bands withing the genre have a central theme that revolves around death.
Perfectly said
Well said, Lorna Shore usually deals in the sub sub genre (I guess that’s a thing) called “Blackened Deathcore” which is a hybrid of both Black Metal and Deathcore
There's definitely layering to the production but every sound that is produced is from Will himself. No lowering of octaves or anything. But of course during production they add some layers to get some fuller moments. They have a live concert of this ep release and it's cool to see him do this stuff live. He's very impressive.
I really love how you do your videos. You seem so authentic in the sense you don't over do your reactions. Very professional and you sir have a big new fan!!
The big orchestral stuff happens in And I Return to Nothingness. And the wall of sound is a big thing that they do often
I really love your reactions because you are honest and genuine in giving them, I love that you appreciate all kinds of art and are interested in knowing more. greetings from Argentina :)
I absolutely love watching the classically trained musicians reacting to this and specifically watching for them starting to headbang. No discredit to them, but its always fascinating to see them default to trying to predict the beats in a normal time signature, but missing entirely as the world of metal just puts everything they know on its head. It's awesome to see these musical geniuses finally start to see the solid artistic foundation metal is built on, but taken to the extreme which always keeps them on their toes.
He just released a live vocal performance of this on his channel. Definitely worth a watch
YES FINALLY IT'S BACK UP! Love your reactions, can't wait tonsee more ❤
Definitely vocal layering for certain parts however, they're both his vocal layers lol. . . You have to watch him live to see him single layer it and he absolutely nails it.
I've been looking forward to this ever since it was taken down. I love Ken's commentary.
Your eyes when he said Azrael the first time, I honestly think each time he says Azrael in this song it hits much different than the rest, it stands out the way he screams/sings it! Not sure why but every time I hear that Azrael I get pumped up and ready for a show and a pit ha!!!
The drums in this song 🥁💪🦵🏃♂️🌟🙌😎🤟🤟
There is vocal layering throughout the track. However each layer has not had any pitch shifting or significant altering.
Watch the live recording.
You should check out their EP release live performance, it’s almost an hour but they start off with this song. I’d love to see your reaction to that because Will sounds almost exactly the same live, it’s crazy
He now has a 1 take with no layering and stripped back so you can hear everything he is doing.
So with your question about an octaver on the mix, what a lot of band do is they do a lot of recordings and just put them on top of each other, so maybe he in the chorus is doing his lows and in the mix he is doing a little sing or harmonies and they just mix it... ALSO about changing from high to low, check out the Live video they have, they recorded a show in the House of Independents...
"Metalcore singers"
Cries in blackened deathcore
HOT DAMN ive been waiting for this!
Many people were wondering, if Will could do this live...
and the concert that was previously uploaded on YT proved he definitely can!
Listen to him live it even sounds better vocally! 👍😁
I love how much you enjoyed this.
Oh ... this is going to be great :)
There are three songs on the EP - I think this one was meant to be especially heavy. There are live videos of the band, including a pro-shot video by Revolver of their EP-release party, if you would like to see what Will sounds like without the layering.
Glad this video was unblocked!
You need to react to their newer track "and I return to nothingness" . Its a Metal Masterpiece & will leave you in awe
Omg I don't care if I'm late to this video KEN!!!!!!! YES!!!!! I was wanting you to react hahaha
In relation to using effects on his vocals, those are actually entirely his own sounds minus a few effects anyone would commonly find in a studio such as delays and reverbs. In terms of an octave shifter to get his voice that gutteral low, nope thats entirely him. Saw them live and he sounded just as good as on this video Will is a powerhouse🤘🤘
check out "Of The Abyss" live , so amazing. now this song has an orchestra to it. wont be disappointed!
I've lost count of how many times I've listened to this...That ending still gives me chills
@Ken I just watched a live video, and he sounds the same live. Really amazing.
Well done, Sir. This music must be a million light-years away from your comfort zone. By the way, there is A LOT of vocal-layering going on, but it's always the singer doubling himself not an effect.
Greetings from Germany.
... and I subscribed
I love how music teachers and vocal coach's especially classically trained ones, appreciate the hell out of this type of harsh vocals. I listen to mostly metalcore but I do like lorna shore. Will Ramos is at the very top of what he does and I'm drawn to his vocals for some reason. I don't listen to any other blackened death metal besides these guys. Not to mention my man on the drums, he must have quads and calf muscles the size of Hercules himself. They are all sooo talented beyond what words can explain
well the lows are all him, BUT there is vocal layering, thus the low, mid, high mixed together.
Kardavox academy is the best for analyzing this kind of vocal style! Would also love to see you check out baba yaga and zavali ebalo from slaughter to prevail
that drummer is sick too god damn
Please do the one take recording of this song! He’s so incredible live as well 😍🔥
The face you made when he started to do the goblin screams was..expected. solid "wtf is going on?"
This song was done in one take and that is all Will's voice. Will is an absolute beast and again you hear that double harmonic technique that you hear in Slaughter. He's using many of those sounds especially that double snarl at the end to position his throat to hit that final low. Definitely listen to one of the top quality live videos of this song and you can hear that there is no effect production on his voice in the way you were suggesting.
It was NOT done in one take. Everyone keeps saying this after watching that recent interview Will did. He did the snarling part at the end in one take. He clearly says this. Go back and listen to the interview again.
You're such a sweet man. Especially after that Cheetah comment. Subbed brother ✌❤
Will puts out his own vocal covers of songs on his CZcams . The audio mix there is much more dry and really shows the true sound and texture of his vocals .. That being said he dose this song live and sounds insanely consistent .
Amazing reaction
YES!!
Great reaction
I have enjoyed this band for awhile now and I could not agree with you more about the symphonic backing tracks. I would love to hear the band isolated alone. It was a good reaction, sir...
I love how you have grown on metal, at first a bit reserved but more and more you see the absolute skill ALOT of these bands posesses, even if it is not the style you like, you do not dismiss it becuase you might not like it! Big cudos to you!
Nice I’ll technics receiver behind you. Also looks like realistic T120 towers. Great speakers
is sounds exactly the same live, you should check out their live performance of this song also that zombie gremlin sound at the end he did in 1 take..will is a beast
You’ll have to react to his one take version of this!! It’s mind blowing
Nobody reacts to the fact he can use all 3 layers of his vocal chords and that's just crazy to me that he is just that talented
They have live version of this, check that one out to see about the layering etc!
Coming back to let you know he did a one take for this song. :)
Makes it look effortless.
lol I love how so many of the vocal coaches have paused after the guitar solo not knowing what is coming!
Ken I love when u got excited about the wildcat haha but you had no idea what was coming in 2 seconds.
I know I'm late to this one. A couple of things if no one has already said. Lorna Shore, a charactor from Batman. Vocal layering for the video, yes at times I think we can all agree. He has put out another video of just him with the music mixed in at his house. You can hear the pure vocals of the song and they arel very impressive. It took Austin Archeys drumming and a number of tries to get me into this. But now that I'm in..... WOW....
U should check out that will ramos posts one take vocal playthrough to the hellfire
I love watching reactions to my favorite music... Will Ramos is my new favorite singer.. definitely layered in the song but comes all from that little dude. Lorna Shore's Gamechanger fr.
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I would say this is Blackend deathcore.
Do a reaction to his live performances that have recently came out. He hits all of these vocals spot on!
You should react to this song again but the live version
lol! That song is most definitely a wall of sound which is what the band was going for. First song with a new singer and they wanted to just blast away to show what the new band is doing.
10:24 god damn .. respect from russia 🇷🇺 man🤘 thank you for this reaction 🙏✊
This is what having total control of your vocal chords looks like as far as metal music goes. The fact he can do this live blows me away.
Listen to this song live and he sounds just as good as in the video. He isn’t human
about that orchestra, their song "Immortal" is half an opera itself, you HAVE to check this one out as a reaction as well!
The lead singer did a one take vocal recording and that will bring a lot of clarity to this version of the song. Will Ramos To the hellfire one take vocal recording
You should check out the vocal one take of this song. Amazing
I'm sure someone has already pointed it out but just to be sure, Will Ramos dropped a one take vocal performance of this one. It sounds less 'muddy' because there is a lot less audio production on that recording.
The band name is a jest to the defunct DM band Gwen Stacy (early Spidermans GF) They thought it'd be funny to name their band after Batmans (early)comic book gf Lorna Shore
My advice is for you to check out William Ramos (The lead singer) vocal playthrough for To the hellfire or Of the abyss, where you can hear the vocals clean, live and isolated.
This is the first video I've seen where someone has truly appreciated and doubled back for that scream after "after you pass through the fucking gate". I don't think this band will ever leave my top 10 across ALL genres
Will Ramos just did a one take cover of this song. You should check it out, very impressive!
After reacting to this video, I think it'd be fun for you to react to the live performance of this song that Revolver posted of their show. It's a awesome chance to see this live, without any vocal tracks. All just Will making the sounds.
Also this genre is deathcore sometimes blackened deathcore
It's as simple as vocal layering, some parts have lows and highs together to add flavour to the song. No octave like effects etc. There would just be the usual suspects like delay, reverb, compression etc. as you'd normally find.
You should check out his one-take video of this track, it's absolutely amazing 🤘
Will and Alex are not fighting, there is enough space in hell for all of us
it was done with layering. BUT you should really listen to his live performance that is up by now. The scary thing is, he quite literally sounds exactly the same.
What you were asking for this whole video are the one take vocal covers Will put up on his youtube channel. I REALLY recommend you watch them to answer a lot of your questions. :)
There's the one take vocal playthrough. You may wanna check it out
Yo as an update he has a full cut cover on his CZcams channel now TheWillRamos. Would be great exploring what you can see better in a clear studio setting.
Ne Obliviscaris - And Plague Flowers The Kaleidoscope. its a bit long like 17 min, but its epic!!!!