The New Trash Can
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- Apple announced the new Mac Studio and... it's not that different from a 2013 trash can Mac Pro-it was just in the right place, at the right time, with the right hardware. In this episode, we talk about Apple's "peek performance" keynote, Apple TV+, iPhone SE 3, the 2022 iPad Air, and of course, the Apple Studio Display and Mac Studio with M1 Ultra.
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0:00 Snoozefest
0:26 Apple TV: HBO, but Worse
1:56 Green iPhone Is Best iPhone
2:12 iPhone SE 3 Is Great-Back Off
3:23 iPad Air Regains Its Crown
4:15 M1 Ultra is Unsurprising
5:27 Where in the World Is Jade-4C?
5:50 Mac Studio Is Neat
8:43 Spicy Hot Take
9:05 Studio Display Is Not Neat
12:22 Hot Take Resumed - Věda a technologie
Boring take: I find the plain M1 that can deliver pretty incredible performance, while barely sipping power or generating heat to the point where it doesn't need a fan, to be the most impressive version of the different iterations. It's just such a perfect laptop soc.
As long as it meets your spec needs, agreed.
yup, and I feel like think for 90% of mac users all they really need is an m1
@@KCIsMe if just had second drive bay YES !
Especially since you can now get it in a 600 dollar ipad
I just bought a refurbished (by Apple) M1 Mac mini base spec model. And I made the decision to purchase _after_ watching the whole Mar. 8th presentation. It’ll be all I need for a while.
"Oh no, the M1, what do we do with it? Shove it in everywhere!" feels way more on point than it should.
watch the 14 come with M1💀
"we have so many unsold M1 Max chips and we need a new chip!!"
*Sticks two M1 Max chips together*
Unlike Intel then? What do you expect them to put in a computer? A fucking Badger perhaps?
Would love to see them shove M1 on mini.
@@anthonyandrew6725 Badgers are graphically impressive but their compute is not very good.
Would have loved to see a 5K 120Hz Studio Display, but I guess we have to wait for Thunderbolt 5, to have enough throughout for it. For the moment I’ve got this one.
🤦
Maybe not if it has it's own processor.
But it’s called studio. Who in a studio needs 120? Everything I have ever exported has been either 24 or 60 frame. Would be great for gaming but then not sure there’s a market there for apple. Just my 2cents
@@ToureanLive and just to second your comment, the people who use their pc's would also generally just enjoy the smoother movement and animations on their monitors. I upgraded from 60 to 144 a few months ago and I am absolutely never going back. I feel like motion smoothness is just as important as loading speed. It's crucial for the user experience!
and why on earth does EVERYTHING Apple makes HAVE to only be for video rendering?
Why can't Apple make and release their own GPU if they're so great at making chips? God knows the GPU market would LOVE some extra supply and competition!
@@ShadowLancer128 yeah i guess it would be nice but apple always drips technology. To your gpu point, the M1 is also a gpu. The M1 ultra is equivalent to a gtx3090 I believe
Trash Cans about to get real cheap 👀
The depreciation on 2019 Mac Pro cheese-grater editions doesn't look good either!
27inch iMacs on the hand will hold their value for the time being. People want big screens and no cables. 24inchs is too small for a computer to double as a tv
And here's Luke _'Meeyuhny'_ himself...
?? Not an Apple guy, grew up on Windows, but want to try out Apple. So, when you say Trash Cans about to get real cheap, what do you mean? Is it something I should look for to get a start in the ecosystem at a decent price?
@@wossaaaat Luke Mini
Sitting on a 2017 27” iMac and M1 Max 16” MBP I got last year. I wont trade in my iMac for the Mac Studio this time around. The laptop can render 8k prores from 12k raw faster than real time, I don’t see a true $8000 return on a Mac Studio in my use case, at least not now
A computer enthusiast bought a Mac Studio M1 Ultra and three Studio Displays. This is what happened to his wallet.
I mean realistically for your use-case scenario, I would imagine you would like to keep the 5k display on the iMac. You could probably airplay your screen onto that. Otherwise, ehh I would probably get a 4k external display and have the MBP docked or something of that nature.
Yeah I want a refresh for my 2014 5k iMac 27”
A youtuber bought a Mac Studio. This is what happened to his wallet
I’m doing the same with the 2016 version. But for different reasons. Society‘s reaction to Covid ruined my life and my business so now I’m broke.
How Freeing the switch back to Linux is! Now I no longer care about the muted specs. I’m dawning my blackest hat.
Also you have the best videos! My Mom watches them and yells at my niece and nephew about eating too many Flintstone vitamins. Thanks for that. It’s very entertaining
Fascinating as always Quinn. Completely agree with you about the Studio Display. Too little. Too late. Too expensive.
But watch, the Bluetooth connectivity is still going to be sketchy for some users
Speakers, in a monitor. Why did Apple bother? They make sense, sort of, if this was a salvaged attempt at a new 27 inch iMac (Pro), but no one wants to pay for engineering of an Atmos sound system, or a 12MP camera (let me pick up my monitor, drag it to the window to snap a photo of a bird, or just you know, grab my phone and do the same). Incorporating a groove to rest an iPhone, or to sidecar an iPad would have made far more sense. I think Apple was going to make a very powerful 27 inch iMac, but realized the cooling required made it ‘thick’. Rather than accepting that, they split the project into two products, hence the totally unnecessary camera and Atmos speakers coupled to the (very) familiar 5k panel, that only seems like a complete product when paired with the Studio. Apple seems to be right back in that Ive rut. Too bad.
@@rachelbolyard1527 The camera is meant for webcam use?
I honestly don't get why people pay for these displays. I run my MacPro through a Bang & Olufsen tv I picked up on craigslist. It retailed for $8k or thereabouts originally and is better than anything else I've ever seen. It cost $1000 cash
@@jos973 apparently, yes. Total overkill. 4k is a little over 8 megapixels, so not sure why a 12 megapixel camera would be fixed in place, on a monitor. Maybe it was cheaper to use up leftover stock from a previous iPhone generation?
The Studio display has absolutely no right to cost 300$ more than a 24'' iMac. You can get an M1 MacBook Air and an M1 iPad Air for the same price...
…and my LG 5K UltraFine depreciation schedule extends another 18-36 months. 😉
Then I would get the 24" iMac. I do not mean that in a mean way. it's honesty. It's only basically an inch on each side. We had a 24" iMac with 1 tb and 16gb memory and it could run Adobe cc no problem. I really believe as most software becomes m1 native or however you say that the software will make it where vs saying "future proof" you can almost go backwards and use machines that are not super charged and still do what it needs. The fact is now you will spend at least around 2500 for a desktop / laptop and that monitor and of course that is the low end on the lap / desk side but its still going to give you a lot of power. That m1 iMac on the refurb store is looking like a good deal at 1269 for 16gb of ram and you can always get the Samsung ssd at 2tb for 200.
Apple with their dumb pricing again. So why would people buy a dumb display for $1600 when they can buy Imac of same size display for same price or less. Completely dumb by Apple. Should have been $900 max
This is what you call an apples to tampons comparison. Two things that are not comparable, compared to make a dumb point.
@@roguewavecreative You understand that if you can do your work on an imac this product isn't meant for you? so why are you salty about it?
High refresh rate on that display would've made it an instant buy for me. I also found the specs for the price pretty underwhelming.
It’s just an iMac without the iMac for only $200 less than the iMac.
@@snazzy jealous
Seriously for $1600, no 120Hz? It’s a non-starter for me
@@srobeck77 what 5k display is there with 120Hz?
@@mesaosi What other 5k display is there? Did you even watch the video?
I always find your videos to be the most informative and relevant of literally all of tech media, Quinn. So glad we have you to give the important details and opinions everyone else seems to ignore.
I literally laughed out loud when the presenter mentioned the "thin" bezels on the Studio Display
Get a life.
It reminds me of that one time they talked about the thin iPhone bezels and pulled up an example of an android phone, and it literally looked like it was 8 years old and probably was. They love making unfair comparisons to make things look better
This is the review I was waiting for! Not just recaps but a lot of opinions! And as per usual with an absolute level of technicality and knowledge. Love love love
It's possible to reuse the LCD panels from 5K iMacs as external monitors with a replacement USB-C driver board from aliexpress. I'd love to see a comparison between a DIY 5K iMac display and the new Studio Display. I bet that they are extremely similar in quality but drastically different in cost. Furthermore, I predict there will soon be a surplus of used 5K iMacs with (still fantastic) displays that have been replaced with Apple Silicon machines. Converting an old 5K iMac into a monitor is probably not an easy beginner project, but with the extreme potential for savings compared to the Studio Display (and the almost identical LCD quality), this might make much more sense than buying a new monitor for some people.
The new "Mac Mini Pro" is a great move for users as it essentially splits an imac pro in to two parts so you don't have to ditch your screen at every upgrade. Four mac minis 2 consumer and 2 pro (the mac studio) and two displays is a really great way to move forward
Just more options in general is the best way forward. Fill out as many niches as possible without sacrificing branding (so they'll probably never do anything budget friendly still)
Exactly. Personally I prefer ultrawide monitors than a square 4.5K iMac, and only an external Mac can give me the chance of using the display of my choice. Also using it to game on a PC or something
@@deegobooster Well the Mac Mini and a standard display from any third party is a pretty budget solution. I sold my 2019 16" macbook pro and bought 2 mac minis instead and had a bunch of cash left over
Yeah 2 parts and you get to pay MORE than twice.
This is a perfectly OK computer other than the massive fans, but it is wildly over-engineered and over priced for the category.
Taking away the perfectly productive 27" iMac 27" and "replacing" it with a bulkier set up that costs 2 to 3 times as much, means you have half to one third the workstations for your budget.
People are still the slowest component in a workstation. Radically speeding up the hardware no longer makes much difference. There is a point where good enough cpu is good enough, what we need is access to a good large user interface, which means a large sharp display. 27" Retina pretty well nails it, but bigger would be better for seeing video/audio tracks and more detail in visual images/data.
I am still waiting on an M1/2 27" or better iMac. This is a pass. And I am fairly certain it will be a dead end design, just like the similar Macs before it.
@@peterbreis5407 How is this more expensive than an iMac pro?
So when my brother saw the SE, the first thing he focused on was the lack of colour options. I can't argue with that. The SE should take the same approach as the XR and make it fun with colour. I don't see why they can't look back to the 5C or the XR and add some of the best-selling colours.
It’s called reusing cutouts already made. If they spend money on creating more colors for the phone, then now they need it to cost $500 instead so that they can cover the costs of creating colors.
The iPhone SE3 utilizes the same frame as the iPhone 8/SE2. You can see that by the dimensions and the fact that it has 2x2 MIMO instead of 4x4 MIMO.
It‘s not just the design that has stayed the same, most of the internals also are the same.
@@KreAtorGames They just made two new (boring) colors though, Midnight and Starlight. It's not like they kept the old colors to save cost
@@mikkelsvartveit umm no they didn’t. They’ve had midnight, starlight, and product red this whole time. Been that way since SE 2. Just because they changed the name of the colors doesn’t really cost them more money.
@@KreAtorGames I like Apple but that was a shitty move considering they are worth trillions of dollars
loved the video Quinn! Possibly my favourite mac studio discussion video so far! Can't wait for the full review! Please do let us know if the Studio carries over the mini's atrocious BT interference/attenuation issues!!
Again *love* the videos, keep up the amazing work!!
Great video as always! I'm not sure if the new camera angle its adding anything to the narrative but I'm sure you'll keep trying new stuff
honestly, I am amazed with such a simple thing: front I/O on the Mac Studio and now I want this on some future Mac mini too
Put it backwards
You can get the Satechi hub for the mac mini that will give you front I/O and a NVME SSD slot.
@@MAGAIVER yep, I know but it's also good to have this on the device already and I always wondered why apple haven't done this long time ago
Very disappointed by the loss of the 27" iMac. The Studio monitor is nearly the cost of the entry level 27", but you still have to buy a mini at the very least. I have the 2012 27" as my desktop in addition to my newer MBA, and would have liked an Apple silicone one to replace it. 24" just isn't going to cut it. Very sad day for the iMac.
I'm in exactly the same situation with a 2013 27" iMac which is only compatible with Catalina so it gets no new updates. The 24" model won't cut it, I need a bigger screen but I don't need the power of the Mini Studio. Looks like a Mac mini and studio display is the only option.
My thoughts exactly. As a Freelancer I need the best bang for my buck and my 27" model has been a fantastic workhorse for years. Now that my 27" is nearing replacement I'm stuffed with either upgrading to a 24" iMac which will be a retrograde step, but within budget, or selling everything I own to get a base model Studio and display. Alternatively, buy an MBP and try to use my 27" iMac as a drone monitor.
Here's what people don't talk about tho : the 2017 iMac Pro. Those were just... too powerful. Apple still sell them btw, just in the "refurbished" section, but I highly suspect that they don't want you to know that they still have them in stock is all. I mean... Xeon 18 cores W chip in an all-in-one?!!! This still smokes M1 in terms of sheer computational power. It's completely insane and we don't talk nearly enough about this. I think this is partly why iMacs will be abandoned : people have displays or want to buy their own and couple them with a mac mini/mac studio; they can make more money by selling the computer and the display separately; and, most importantly, they've already been to the very end of the road of iMac optimization in 2017! There's just no way you can cram more power than a freaking Xeon 18 cores chip into a iMac. They just can't improve it further, but they don't wanna tell you.
@@jas_bataille FWIW, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman is still confident that a 27" iMac Pro refresh is still coming, probably later this year. He explained why in his Twitter commentary yesterday.
@@jas_bataille I’m pretty sure that the M1 Ultra and even the M1 Max beat the 18 Core Xeon W in performance, if you can trust Apple’s claims
Super informative video, you can always count on Snazzy with the great content.
I think you're very much underselling the M1 Ultra as not being quite so exciting. For the chip-nerd, it is BY FAR the most interesting and frankly unexpected (in the way it is technically done) thing here.
Yes, multi-die chips and packaging are the future and everyone is working on it, and its been the direction Apple was rumored to be going in as well. But this is much different from what is shipping in, for example, AMD Ryzen chiplets. That interconnect is nowhere near as fast, and those cores are not treated the same - die-to-die communication is much higher latency, they don't access the whole cache in the same way.
And that is for CPU cores. The speed is even more important for large GPUs. Anything else we've seen out there (as far as know, I'm not an expert, I could be wrong) addresses the GPUs as separate - connected, yes, but not the same GPU, it's not transparent, which means that software has to be written in such a way as to target that. What they have done here - or CLAIM to have done here, we shall see - is build an interconnect that is fast and efficient enough for it to basically present to the system as one chip, one GPU, which is nuts.
Someone was gonna crack this at some point, but I wasn't expecting it to be so soon and not necessarily Apple, good as their chip design is. Maybe they're getting the tech from TSMC, I have no idea.
Credit here to Ryan Smith (AnandTech EiC), read his tweets and AnandTech article if you wanna know more (and probably better explained).
"That interconnect is nowhere near as fast, and those cores are not treated the same - die-to-die communication is much higher latency, they don't access the whole cache in the same way. "
And how do you know that? This sounds like wild guesses at this point considering no one has tested the M1 Ultra.
Fair that two GPUs addressable as one is very neat. I don’t mean to say Apple’s tech isn’t impressive-they best RDNA3 to market-it’s just that it’s not so novel it needs its own marketing name. Alas, it’s rather impressive Apple has pulled it off first and started shipping in seemingly such high volume.
reminds me of the PS4 Pro "butterfly" apu
@@1idd0kun Very true - Apple's claims need to be tested. And I don't know, I'm not an authority on this. I say it because AMD Infinity Fabric seems to be on the order of
@@snazzy Oh absolutely, completely agree with you on the marketing names and the idea being not new at all, the way Apple announces these things... and no clue if it is all in-house, might even be TSMC's. Thanks for responding! Good video
My first thought when they finished the Studio Display segment was: “That’s… all of its features? For $1,600? Seriously?”
Yeah I expected much higher
When I first saw the display announced in full, I felt like I was the only one saying “ummmm, really?”. I’m so glad somebody finally articulated my thoughts. I was second-guessing myself until now. Felt like was missing something. Wasn’t. 👍🏼
you always do such a great job breaking things down. Thank you Quinn.
Great summary and visuals. Glad to see you’re back to the old quality in your new studio. 👍🏻
Apple TV+ seems pretty helpful to just see stuff I’d be interested in but I forget I have it like most of the time. (It’s cool though getting it as a bonus with Apple Music as I’m a student)
I was hoping to see an external power supply like the M1 iMac on the studio. Perhaps even sneak a few display signals thru the wiring. Connect the power supply to the supply of 2 of the new studio displays. Cleanest desktop setup possible.
Great take Quinn. Feeling pretty good about the LG Ultrafine I bought recently to sit beside my 2019 27” iMac now.
I completely agree with you on the monitor situation. Can you please do a video on some display recommendations for mac? I’m a video editor and have been looking to replace my aging 2017 34” LG ultra wide curved.
Apple is totally missing the obvious solution for an external display: Take the 24-inch 4.5K screen from the iMac M1, subtract the rest of the internal Mac from it, and you’ve got a killer monitor to hook up to any MacBook or Mac Mini.
They’re not missing it. They intentionally don’t do it because they can make more money the way they’re doing it
@@martinsauer9403 There may be people who would buy a $700 monitor based on the iMac M1, but wouldn’t buy a $1,600 monitor at all. (I’m subtracting the price of a base Mac Mini M1 from the iMac’s price, and even adding another $100 as a premium.)
When it comes to those people, Apple isn’t missing out on $900 from the price difference from the 27-inch monitor. They’re missing out on $700, because otherwise they’ll be getting $0 in monitor sales to begin with.
@@erickleefeld4883 i am definitely one of those people. i'd buy a $700 apple monitor without a second thought but no way in hell am i gonna buy one for $1600
@@oventree And the $700 would be a big purchase for me! But I would do it for that iMac M1 monitor, and to commit to owning it for as much as 10 years.
Personally i love to see the SE3, my motor skills are that off an ogre and the simple one-handed gesture plus the small screen makes it the only phone that i can comfortably use.
iPhone 12 and 13 mini are even smaller, wonder how they will work for you.
@@SantiagoSalse i tried them and they are better than full size phones, but the simple button is still my favorite. (and i like the SE3s price lol)
Quinn, fully unrelated to the question you asked at the end of the video: I love the two camera angle video format! This video looks STUNNING. More like this!
Highly informative. Thank You 🙏 I’d appreciate your thoughts on some alternatives to the Apple monitor. I’m considering the Mac studio and need to stay within budget.
Finally, the only overview of the Apple Event that's worth watching!
dave2d dropped too.
So did MKBHD
Could not agree more with you Phazzon. Logic is here. Illogic is everywhere else.
@@krazywabbit Others just shill for Apple too much or don't have the background or knowledge to be as objective as Quinn, he's the only one that I trust with showing what an Apple product really is like.
The SE3 with long iOS support and 5G makes a lot of sense as a work phone. Plus can keep using old rugged phone cases that a lot of contractors already have and use.
The problem is that it is more expensive for mostly the same as before. Just get the 11 or 12 series and call it a day.
IAlways love your take on things. Though was curious why you didn’t include what you ordered (but then, not only will it keep me Snazzy, but Curious for the next video)
We got a specced out M1 Max Studio, a base Ultra Studio, and a Studio Display. :)
thx for the detailed informations on the monitor!
I just wish the monitor was closer to 1000$. Well. Guess I’m buying a 24” cinema display instead.
24 inch Studio Display? Is that a thing? I’d love to get one (prefer 24 inch to 27 inch, especially if the price is significantly less) but haven’t heard that AAPL has announced one. What am I missing?
@@mpetrides I’m talking about the old one, it’s from like 2012 and was sold until I believe 2015 or 2016. It’s 1200p, has essentially a MacBook webcam as well as MagSafe and some USB ports. You can find them for like $150 to $200 online (used)
the monitor is a scam. You can get an LG UltraGear 27GP950-B for half the price. Has 600 nits, is 4K, has 144Hz, HDMI 2.1, 98% DCI-P3, all the good stuff. Imagine: you can get TWO of these high-end LG monitors vs. 1 with additional laptop speakers and a webcam... yeah - no thanks Apple.
I like the Dell he posted up.
You can also get MSI Prestige PS341WU for under $1000. 34" 5k ultrawide, HDR 600, 98% DCI-P3, USB-C with power delivery and slimmer bezels :-)
Don’t tell the iSheep.
They probably also spend the additional $400 for height adjustment stand.
Liking that side angle Quinn, gives it an extra somethin' Great summary as always.
Bang on analysis as always snazzy labs wel done
I have yet to see a reason most people (even many "pros") shouldn't just get the base M1 MacBook Air. It remains an undefeated value proposition.
I have the MacBook air and it's a beast. It barely uses any battery, yet so powerful.
Because it’s simply not powerful enough….. most professionals who actually need power wouldn’t even think about using the M1 air. For instance mkbhd edits his red videos in 8k, he can’t do that on an air, or at least that efficiently. Time is money.
@@anom6707 Nobody is telling MBKHD he must shoot and edit in 8K, that's his choice! It's entirely his right to spend thousands of dollars more to do what he wants, but I'm just saying just because you're a "professional ______" doesn't mean you definitely should buy a computer that costs twice as much or more.
@@colemanhoyt5437 Professionals know what they need and what they want.
I have a 512GB M1 Air that I've bought for the sole purpose of managing audio sequences when playing live, i can't even think of using it for producing said sequences tho because it would be stomped by my Windows machine which isn't running Logic but is definitely better equipped.
It's not just a question of raw power either: more RAM and storage for all sorts of VSTs, big samples, big projects, backups of backups.
Same for m1 mini
My problem with going with Mac Studio + a 4K monitor aside from all the quirkiness of using a PC monitor with macOS is the fact that 2160p translates to 1080p at 2x scale while 5k is 1440p at 2x scale
I have a 4K monitor as my secondary display on macOS (well, technically is my PC’s monitor but it doubles as a se one monitor for my iMac) and I can absolutely tell the difference in clarity.
Can I live with it? Sure, but will all the nice extra features the Studio Display comes with i figured I might just as well bite the bullet and treat myself to what I hope to be my monitor for the next 10 years
Exactly my thought.
What’s best alternative affordable 4k display to go with this new desktop apple. Thanks for your excellent first review!
Ordered a base studio + a 1tb upgrade. Kinda the most sensible purchase for $2200. Dope video as always!
Ordered a fully specced out Studio. Figure, why not? I’ve been looking to add a power desktop, and I don’t think I’ll need the upcoming Mac Pro. So this one seems to fit in a sweet spot. Just maxed it out, because I want it to last for 5 or more years. Also, I’m curious to see how much more performance the top level has over the lower ones.
What monitor would you use with this? You should make a video
@@ChowDownDetroit , I already have a Pro Display XDR, so I'm sticking with that. Though now I realize I'll probably have to pull out my external speakers, because I don't think the Studio comes with speakers!
You paid $2200 for 7 more tb too?
@@outofahat9363 , I did. Yes, that's really expensive, but for me it was a value proposition:
The only way you can get the maximum speeds Apple claims for their drives, is by getting the 8TB array. And yes, I say array, because they do appear to be an array of some kind, which is how Apple is getting these unprecedented speeds. The 4TB one is close, but the drop-off continues as the drives get smaller.
The fastest external RAID drive I have, is a striped set of nVME drives, that's 4TB, and respectably gets around 2,500 Mb/s, sometimes a little more. The 4TB drive in my MacBook Pro 16" is more than double that.
I think that if you're able to find an array that can stripe a set of drives to speeds even close to what Apple currently has, you'd be approaching that $2k price tag pretty quickly for 8TB. Even if you're short, would you rather have the data be bussed through a Thunderbolt connection, or through the ridiculous 800 GB/s bandwidth of the SOC? Isn't that worth whatever extra we're talking about here?
I can't upgrade the drive beyond my purchase, so I'm making sure I get the most for my dollar. Considering that merely upgrading to M1 has increased my productivity and overall output, this is a no brainer. This fully specced out computer will easily have paid for itself by this time next year. And I plan for it to last well beyond.
@@tedrodenborn8172 the Pro XDR display doesn’t have speakers built in?
I'm going to have to save up for that Mac Studio. The display I don't really care about to be honest. But as far as a desktop mac goes this is exactly what I've been waiting for.
Same here, finally I can get rid of a windows desktop and just have this as my only machine on my desk, combined with my curved ultrawide monitors itll be perfect and itll use 1/8 the power my current systems use at my desk saving me money long term. Quite excited for this ultra desktop solution!
@@enjoyed_lemon Same here to you and original poster. I didn’t watch the whole Mac update seminar thing so I had no idea about any of these updates. I had been planning a purchase for the distant future for 27” iMac maxed out in processor and graphics card, and then today low and behold when I go on apple, I see they got rid of it all together! And then see these mind blowing specs that are far far better than the iMac I was eyeing that is now extinct. I too have been on a windows (laptop). My Mac mini was getting older a few years back and so I needed to get a windows laptop because none of the options for the computer power made sense for the cost at the time. I’m so glad to see this Mac studio as an option. About the same as the iMac I was looking at and WAY more power. Can’t wait to see performance demonstrations in mograph software.
Personally, I think the Mac Studio is also quite reasonably priced. The display: no way. But that's a lot of horsies for the dollars, I say.
@@enjoyed_lemon Yes you will save a few cents of electricity each day when you buy the Mac Studio for $5000 USD. And say goodbye to Boot Camp, and a good gaming experience. omg...
@@DerekDavis213 I have a 10850k 64gb ram and gb master 3090 for gaming. The amount I actually play games is minimal I’d prefer to save power. This system at idle draws 300w id rather power it down and use it only for gaming and the mac studio for everything else, I’m going off grid soon so power savings is key.
You hit the exact reason I got my (now late) Father the SE2. As best as I can tell he loved it. It’s my second phone now. 😪
I didn’t even want to attempt to teach him gestures. He had a ton of issues with his previous Android phones. Never an issue with the iPhone SE2.
Yes I can simply say that at the current price (hopefully) without any major price hikes, the apple tv+ service is one I'm happy with! seeing as slowly but surely apple's expanding their content library with great quality pieces I sure won't mind keeping it around
I was really hoping for a 4K 120hz display.
$1600 for a 60hz panel with no local dimming feels like a rip-off
Having a powerful SoC integrated into the monitor sounds cool. But I have the same opinion that this monitor is overpriced. It‘s a more powerful Raspberry Pi sticked into a high-end monitor. I wonder if they took the circuit board of the iPad 9 and just moved around the components.
I’ve been a Mac Mini user since they first came out, and have owned every generation (they make for good hand-me-down gifts as well). My company provides me with a new Mac laptop every 2-3 years so I never felt the need to have a personal laptop, and therefore the desktop Mini was a good option. In all that time I have *never* bought an Apple display. Maybe if I was a pro doing photo editing I would, but then I wouldn’t mind paying pro prices.
I think with the new Mac Studio, the sweet spot for me is going to be the $4000 base package M1 Ultra which includes 64GB of memory and a 1TB SSD. For the average home user, the sweet spot is probably the M1 Max package with an upgraded SSD to 1 or 2 TB which would end up costing $2200-2500. That is very reasonable when compared to a high end PC, plus you’re getting MacOS versus Windows. I’ll be happy with a bog standard 4K display, and I have an apple keyboard and touchpad already.
and windows is superior to macos but thats a personal opinion. but the apple magic keyboard is literally garbage, and I encourage you for ur next keyboard upgrade to go with a nice mechanical one
Current Macs probably wont make good hand-me-down gifts since everything is soldered in and when your SSD fails it's curtains for the Mac.
@@juliang64 I actually use the Das Keyboard 4 Pro for Mac with Cherry MX Blue switches. Love it! When I said apple keyboard I meant it has the apple layout, but I agree the super thin apple brand keyboards are not great to type on.
1:56 Finally, a tech CZcamsr shares my favor of green shades! I really wish Apple to release more green products. The green iPad Air 4 once we had is my favorite tone of colors.
Great video! I really enjoyed the content, however, i feel the extra side-profile camera shots were a bit unnecessary. I understand SnazzyLabs is experimenting with their new studio. Hope this feedback helped!
Here's my question: Why spend a minimum of $3600 to get the Mac Studio and the Studio Display when the i7 27" iMac is still available, not THAT much less of a performer (particularly with additional RAM), and can still run Windows through Bootcamp?
I’m all about boot camp. Considering getting a 2018 Mac mini to upgrade my 2015 because it still have intel chips. I’m not interested in a virtual machine if it’s going to reduce my useable Ram
The 27" iMac is no longer available Jason. Let's see with what they come up with when they launch the M1/M2 27" and if they can cram an Ultra M1 to make an iMacPro in that chassis.
why buy studio and display when iMac 24 inch with apple keyboard and mouse comes for 1/3 of the price. I want to know the morons that price the display more than the more capable 24 inch imac.
@@samjam6989 The display seems to be the strangest part of this release. At $1800, you are looking at 4k144hz 32 in displays with incredible color, local diming and brightness. I get that its 5k, but Apple has always had 220DPI and other unique top of the line features (Pro Motion/Mini LED).
I think the "Studio" moniker from Apple is going to mean products for those that want decent specs with the fashion and price of the pro lineup. There is 100% a market for that (Fast Fashion, BMWs, etc), just a shame that they seem to be going back to the 'high prices for a decent kit' ways of the past.
Because you don't get the display, you get the way more reasonable 4K monitor he showed you and you move on with life.
I would be able to stomach $1600 for the Studio display if it had local dimming and 120hz but definitely not in its current specs.
I felt the same way. How do they think 60hz is ok?
Nice video! this is the only youtuber that I like for apple reviews
Watching both the Apple event yesterday and your video on my late 2015 27” iMac with some superb Totem desktop speakers for the audio, I was a little underwhelmed with the Studio display because of its price and the fact that I’ve been functionally looking at it for six years now. However, I am quite excited about the Studio, keen to see the performance tests in the next couple of weeks and assess if this might be the right upgrade early next year. Being a photographer, I have another Benq photo grade monitor so will not need this new display. With a nod to your prior iPhone ranking video, I have to replace my Iphone X next month and it will now be the new green 13 Pro…definitely the snazziest colour yet.
Even though the iPad Air has the M1 now, I still think the 11” M1 iPad Pro is the better buy. You get promotion, 4 speakers, brighter screen, better camera, thunderbolt, 128gb base storage and FaceID for only $200 more. I got mine on sale from Best Buy for $100 off. At that price you’d have to be drunk to choose the Air over the Pro.
Easy for u to say with prices like that in ur country
I'm one of the few using a Mac (M1 mini) for something other than graphics or video editing, so no Studio for me. It would be bigtime overkill, and one thing I like about the M1 is that it is power efficient; this new machine would draw hundreds of watts, it seems, and I would have no need of that. I'm tempted to get an Air at some point for the convenience of such a small, light portable with epic battery life, but even that would be a luxury purchase for me.
I have the base sub $1k M1 MacBook Air, 8gb memory. Not disappointed at all, especially with battery. I go weeks without charging.
@@thirdpartypariah6514 Bro 8g of Ram fo 1k, no one except apple would get away with that.
Yeah I bought the m1 mini then I bought the air like a proxy for it (to remotely connect) and now I only use the m1 mini to play cs:go and my air all the time on its own instead.
But I don't think my battery lasts more than like 2 days max.
Only issue I found with the 8GB is that you can't play NFS Heat with normal FPS (if you are into that and the issue is memory since when I disabled swap and enabled only compression the game ran like 1fps and stopped loading at all).
It won't use hundreds of watts of power if you don't make it use hundreds of watts of power;
Depending on how the power management is done, even the idles can be made suprisingly decent.
yeah I have a Mac mini too. got it for ~$550, fantastic for the price. It replaced a NUC I had been using with linux on it which required more time maintaining than I wanted to give lol.
If they update the Mac mini to have more IO I would buy it in a snap... mostly because I got 8 gb ram, need more ram and this will still sell for about $300 in the used marketplace.
I ordered a base model Mac Studio (M1Max) with 2TB extra storage. And since I completely agree with you on the new Display, I bought myself an LG display with 32", IPS, 4K and full sRGB for a pinch above 600€, which is almost exactly a third of the new Apple Display. The saved money went directly towards new storage for my NAS and some 10GbE stuff to connect it all up.
Love how objective you always are - the Studio desktop is an incredible machine - it’s impossible to know if the upgrade to Ultra is good value - I’m not sure if anyone knows how much these SOCs actually cost. And I agree the display is not ground-breaking - but as the ATP presenters have made clear, does address a clear gap in the market which LG is going a terrible job of filling.
can we take a moment to appreciate that this small device packs the power of a 3080/3090 and faster than 28 core Mac Pro. Can't wait to see what they can do with a bigger Mac Pro form factor
That's more likely talking processing of videos rather than raw compute power. Because although x86 and ARM are vastly different, that is not the case for GPUs used in desktops and Mobile chips
It's not gonna be as powerful as those graphics cards.
It’s very likely not close to the performance of a 3090 because those performance charts refer to “select industry standards benchmark” that likely use the media engine, and not the raw compute power of the M1 gpu. So very impressive but not the same as a 3090
@@lorenzodemonti it also could be fp64 performance. A metric that is deliberately disabled by Nvidia, so their data center GPUs have a purpose.
The RTX 3080 has 20% higher fp64 performance than my RX 580, so it's not hard to beat.
What's the use if you don't have AAA games to make use of the graphical power.
5:49 i don’t know if that points towards the Jade SoC not using M1. They were only introducing one more M1 variant that day. They didn’t say “the last M1 SoC in our lineup”
Just my 2 cents. Thanks for the video!
I don't know - "adding one last chip to the M1 family" seems pretty clear to me to mean "in our lineup". But I'm sure Apple reserves the right to contradict themselves in the future.
Thank you for the info. I can't wait to see you open up the Mac Studio. I am praying the ssd is removable!!!!!
I have been wanting a replacement for my 27” thunderbolt displays since I love their use as a docking station. It looks like I have that with the studio display where I hopefully can daisy chain them together so that only a single cable connects to my M1 Pro MacBook Pro.
This reminds me of the old SGI RISC systems. Where they could link CPUs together and then link computers together and have them all work as one. Waaaay back when. Obviously not to this level, but the concept has been with us for a long time.
Enjoyed the video, but hated that panning.
Can you do a video on how to how configure (or the best way to configure) a Mac mini Studio for different users? Such as Logic/music production, video production and editing, movie production and special effects, gamers etc. As well as which type of user should get the Mac mini or the Mac mini ultra. Thank you
The base model Mac Studio with a great 4K monitor as you were saying sounds like the way to go!
The price tag for the monitor is absurd. Especially when it’s only a 60hz monitor. I could get a 4k 120hz monitor for that price sheesh.
2 for that price
Its apple what do you expect?
Apple= we sell you mainstream tech and make you think is top quality.
60hz is not pro not even in africa
@@Teluric2 well to be fair they have 120hz mini led displays in their MacBooks which are grade A
I totally agree that this was a rather uninspired display and yet I still ordered one. Because I would much rather have the best 5K display available than deal with the UltraFine's shortcomings or the lower DPI or size of 4K monitors. I do wish the price was a little less, but given my expectations going into the event where I was hoping for it to be no more than half the price of the XDR, this will do.
I didn’t skip ahead to the M1 section. I need as much content as possible for as long as possible as it partially drowns out the my despair, anguish, and depression, that I am forced to confront when left alone in silence and with my own thoughts. Please make longer videos. I will watch every nanosecond.
Hey Quinn, Thanks for posting these great DIY and comparison Videos, much
appreciated! Apple's New Silicon in the "Studio Mini" is pretty glitzy,
but... if one just isn't sure about Apple Sillycon just yet... AND THAT
$$$$price$$$$, are the more recent Xeon powered iMac Pro's (say a:
Apple iMac Pro 27 2017 2.3 18-core Intel Xeon 1TB 128GB RAM) a decent
alternative to following "the Tribe" just now? Thanks, Best!
USB-A ports are still very useful. Most good third-party input devices offer USB-A connectivity, which is much more reliable and less frustrating than Bluetooth. Until Logitech offers USB-C dongles for its MX series of mice, I’ll always be happy to see USB-A ports on new computers.
Assuming this thing does what they say it does and there isn't thermal problems, I think this machine will replace almost all of the iMacs and Mac pros that professionals use. The gazillion dollar Mac Pro was mostly overkill for most photogs, graphic designers and all but the top 5% of video editors. I was shocked by the performance that I got with the new MBP over a 2019 iMac that did everything I asked it to do, though with some fan grumpiness.
My only complaints are, if you are going to put all of that I/O on it, particularly in the front, AND you designed this to be used with your new monitor with built in speakers that don't need 3.5mm jack to run, why on earth hide the headphone jack in the rear? Just put it next to the sd card slot. That's poor experience design. And as much as I like how self contained it is, if the heat is so concerning that cooling is 2/3 the space of the design, why oh why don't you just move the power supply to external?
It is not a “headphone jack” is an audio output. There exist a thing called speakers
Apple makes an excellent and cheap and small USB DAC you could plug into the type C port on the front for headphones, if you wanted to.
@@roninlviaquez I think he was referring to the headphone jack on the Mac Studio. Not the “audio output” glory hole, u were thinking of on the new monitor
@@srobeck77 Yes he did, I stand with what I said, it is not a “headphone jack” is an audio output. As if a 8000 usd device was designed to be used with headphones only . . . . .
@@roninlviaquez Correct, however Apple always assumes you'll stay in their ecosystem. If you buy their Studio Monitor, you don't need the audio output. That is all carried through Thunderbolt.
Studio Display.... aka know as LG Ultrafine 5K... sold at Apple Store for at least 4 years.... same specs... same resolution, same nits, same contrast, same True Tone, same back ports... and you were THE ONLY CZcamsR to mentioned this... finally. someone.
I have to say that this up speed 24" iMac is the nicest computer I have ever owned. I definitely do not need the Studio, however I'm glad they are making it. There are definitely use cases for these kinds of products and the tech trickles down after a couple of years. I'm still hoping for a new Home Pod to replace the discontinued OG Home Pod.
The new air is just too expensive honestly. The 2020 air is at least 100$ cheaper. Just not worth it to get an M1 in a tablet with a 60hz screen.
I recently convinced my dad to not only downgrade his Netflix account but to outright cancel Apple TV+. Even though these are subscriptions and you can cancel/pause whenever you like, a lot of people have the mentality to just keep paying even if you're not using it. Apple was that for my family. I've enjoyed Ted Lasso and a few films and my dad definitely got more use out of it than I did but it got to the point where he was paying for it and not really using it and with price inflation going absolutely through the roof lately, it was time to cut it. Apple are the late comer to the streaming wars but their approach just doesn't really require the monthly commitment that pretty much every other service has. Heck, even Disney+ was late to the party but they had a huge back catalog they could rely on and the purchase of Fox only boosted that catalog even more, something that Apple doesn't have. They're pretty much the only streaming service starting from scratch.
Snazzy should have at least 5m subs. Such great videos
My LG Ultrafine died right after warranty, my Cinema Display is still running flawlessly. Needless to say I pre-ordered the display right away.
They bet on multiple smaller GPUs when the industry would move to larger single ones and largely dropping multi GPU, where the Ultra still appears as just a single GPU to software, is one core difference from the trash can.
Watching the event, I was waiting for them to give a price on the Studio Display. Already had it in my mind, $999 I'll buy. Needless to say, I did not buy.
im not trying to be smartass here. Curious as to why you thought that display would be 999? Wishful thinking (which is fine:) or another reason?
@@roguewavecreative I wasn’t guessing $999 myself, but Apple’s most recent 3 consumer displays have all been $999.
@@snazzy right:). I did not mean you. Someone commented that they could do 999 and thought that was fair. To me the price comes down to investing in my small agency and how fast can we pay it off. The price adjusted for everything is decent. Not perfect:). It has always been a bit of a puzzle to me why monitors have become so not dippsable is the right word but overall not so good. Ive been spoiled with the crispness of alle over the years and a tually prefer the glossy anything wlse sames meh. As always great video snazzy man!
@@roguewavecreative A bit of wishful thinking and a bit of dreaming. lol
$3,100 with the adjustable stand for the new (old, iMac 5K panels realistically they couldn't do anything with) in Australia. Mac Mini on steroids is $6,099 for the M1 Ultra / 48 GPU / 64GB / 1TB... it's a lot of money and I feel like my MBA M1 has been a champ in Logic Pro with heaps of plugins (Neural DSP / Comp / EQ / Gain) so I'm perplexed as to whether it's worth going all in on the Ultra
Not in the target market for the mac studio and I'm extremely happy using a 4k 43" TV as a monitor with my 8/14 14" Pro. But I love the new mac studio. That said, I was kinda disappointed they didn't use the same power connector from the imac 24". In fact in all the marketing material they hide the cable, as opposed to proudly displaying it.
The OWC Thunderbay Flex 8 and the Mac Studio seem like they'd pair really nicely. Together they seem to have most of what one could want in the new Mac Pro. The OWC has 8 bays of flexible storage (2.5 SATA /3.5 SATA/u.2/m.2) plus one free PCIE slot in a small ish Cheesegrater Mac Pro style case.
Great insights, as usual. I traded in my M1-MacMini for the Studio - because the Studio will drive dual Thunderbolt monitors. I was hoping for a "Mac Mini Pro" announcement and I feel the Studio is pretty much it. I'm concerned about the size of it - easily twice the height of the Mac Mini, and the need for cooling fans. But as a freelance computer programmer, it's more power than I'll ever use. I got the base model (plus 1TB drive) and I don't see having to replace it for a long, long time. I'm subscribed and enjoying your work. Continued Success!
Great info Quinn. Thank you for alleviating me of any tension I'm experiencing for not owning these new displays. Agree, Apple should have done better. How about a 27" version of my MBP M1 Max's display, huh? Without the notch obviously. Wait, make it them 30".
I picked up an LG Ultrafine 24" for my 14" M1 MacBook Pro a couple of weeks ago, and I'm glad that's the way I went. For $900 less I get three less inches of display. No ragerts.
I ordered a Macbook air around a week and a half ago. Loving it and nothing announced did anything for me personally
I'm enjoying my new, Maxed Out M1 Max 16" Macbook Pro. It replaces my Mid 2015 15" Macbook Pro Retina - a machine that's still going strong. The battery life in this system is incredible, as is the display. Great Video Quinn. What's the track you're playing over your end credits?
At 1:25, are you a tube amp kind of audio person? That’s awesome.
As someone who's used to 120hz-144hz displays, there is just no way I'm paying that much for a display that's capped at 60hz.
Great video. I especially liked the comparison between the Studio Display and six year-old LG 5K display. I originally ordered the M1 Max Studio Mac but decided it really only recapitulated my M1 Pro MBP and cancelled the order. No way I can justify $1500 for a 27 inch monitor with no HDMI port-meaning it can’t be used for my PS5 when I’m not using it as an external display for the MBP. And there’s no way I need all the power in the M1 Ultra Studio Mac. What would I really like? A more reasonably priced 24-inch Apple-branded 4K display (replacement for 24-inch LG Ultrafine Apple is currently selling) and perhaps an M1 Max Mac Mini priced in the $1000-$1200 price range.
That's some serious hardware, can't say I currently have a need for a 5K display. Couldn't resist a LG 1440P 16:9 27" for $240 plus GST on clearance at Walmart. Makes a great secondary screen to my Viewsonic 27" VP2771 I got in 2019 as an opened box for $333.25 CND on amazon.
Love the snazzy beard you got going.
Great roundup of the event!
The different angle used starting at 12:25 seems….. weird. I hesitate to say ‘bad’, but I don’t like it
As always, stay snazzy
I have a 27" iMac for years and am well used to the 5K Retina screen. Bought a £130 27" 4K display from Electriq for a new Macbook Pro 14 and honestly it works just fine (with a little tweaking in the settings obviously) - it is more than capable for professional use, and saves me a wad of cash to spend on other things!
I love how you state the facts straight up! 👏 👏 👏
thanks for your video Snazy. I am so lost! I am an illustrator, working sometimes in huge pixel or vector drawings. Wallcovering illustrations with many many details and layers, layers..o boy.. many layers. I still think the M1 16gb will do the job haha. I wished they released a Mac mini Pro.
I ordered the new studio display to use with my 14" macbook air. Its not a particularly good value display but I really wanted to have an all Apple setup (computer, display, keyboard, mouse, and headphones).