In-Depth Tutorials - MEAT v. EGGS | RimWorld
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- What came first? The Chicken, or the Egg?
Obviously the chicken! I had to buy them to get their eggs.
The real question is, which is more productive: rearing chickens for meat, or rearing chickens for eggs?
In today's In-Depth Tutorial, we take a deep dive into the mechanics of animal rearing in RimWorld. It's a lot of info, so get ready to absorb some sweet avian knowledge into your brain.
Intro - 0:00
Basic Info - 0:30
Chicken Feed - 1:05
Food production & Efficiency - 1:18
Testing - 1:47
Conclusion - 2:46
Outro - 3:16 - Hry
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I think the best thing about eggs from my experience is space efficiency per ingredient required for meal. Crops have 75 stack limit and one simple meal required 10 of the ingredient which essentially made 1 stack of crops worth about 7.5 simple meal. Egg on the other hand have the same stack limit but only require 2 eggs (iirc) per simple meal which makes it a whooping 37.5 simple meals per full stack of egg. I recommend fine meal with rice and egg which cost 5 rice + 1 egg for mood boost
tldr; eggs change inventory management game in rimworld a lot
Guy over here explaining why chickens Op with Math.
Hell, all I know is that I had 3 hens and 2 roosters, and suddenly, I had 32 chickens in a pen.
Chickens go brrrr
Brrrrrrrt!
Love your vids man, they're really helpful in my efforts to the maximize efficiency of my war crime machine
the real power of the chicken is in a big chicken pen where they can just eat the grass.
I think it's would be interesting if you will test usage chickens on icelands.
One of russian guy bought one when playing on edge od the map with extra cold temperatures -90c. Chicken survived solar flare with temperature drop
That would be interesting
Slava? :)
I sometimes forget my chicken population and suddenly there’s 20+ chickens that pop into existence in my storage
I think naturally its better to go for eggs since its a "special feature" thats probably factored in to their allowed value. Basically since they have the ability to lay eggs, for balance reasons it isnt as good to kill them for meat. I'd imagine something like rabbits or pigs probably give the best returns on meat.
@@VenomSteak I've heard that cows can actually break thermodynamics a bit once you get nutrient paste involved. Apparently if you turn their milk into paste you can produce enough nutrition to feed the cows without any need for external nutritional input, basically feed them paste made from their milk in a sort of perpetual motion.
I think this runs into issues when you factor in bulls to impregnate the cows, and calves that can't produce milk... and then there's the issue of pawns having to milk the cows and the micromanaging needed to get paste out of the dispenser to feed them (assuming you're not using a mod that lets the cows get nutrient paste themselves), etc.
So, I imagine if you wanted to raise cows only for their meat and leather you could get some extra efficiency by feeding them paste made of their own milk. But then again it might just be less micromanaging to have pawns turn their milk into meals instead.
Another possible meat animal to consider would be pigs since they are omnivores. You can place raider corpses, rotten animal corpses, or insects and insect meat into a freezer and install an animal flap to give the pigs access, basically letting the pigs eat your garbage to convert it into pork.
Though I suppose one could do a similar thing with cows and chickens by just having a pawn butcher the raiders and insects to turn them into meals or kibble.
@@gortab all the animals have their own specialty. Most herd animals can graze without needing colonists input. Pigs are usually my corpse disposal.
Hey man, found your channel like a week ago and you make great videos! Please keep them coming!
Another great video, they are getting better and better
Best intro ever, just *chicken.*
I rarely ever see chickens in my play throughs. Never realized they could be this good.
This is a pretty well made video, Job well done!
found this channel today! its really high quality sad that you dont have alot of subs though
@@VenomSteak Sick! im looking foward to your new videos
Just found your channel and I am hooked. I was here before you blow up
I think you forgot an important factor. Ratio of female:male chickens. That’s why you produced more meat than eggs.
I love the chickens. I only do eggs for cooking. I keep about five breading roasters crowing in a separate pen for when the flock is getting close to aging out. Then just get them together and get a shotgun blast of chicks. At that point it's roast capon and stewing hens for a bit as your new chicks come on line then I pick out my five new roasters and cull the the rest that came about. Rinse Repeat.
Yeah, chickens are one of those animals that really make you think. It's nice for people who want to do a ranch playthrough.
Ive got 1500hrs on Rimworld.. and i wish i was half as good at the game as you are XD i love your work, base ideas and layouts. Thankyou for helping me get better at this game :) keep it up!
@@VenomSteak i did not know this.. i will have a look for it and give it a try :)
New sub! Can we see what mods you use? I noticed the fridges in this video and another, and it makes me wonder what other things you've got plugged into your game!
love this
So, I did a bit more math in my game and realized it was actually more efficient to let eggs grow to chicks and then slaughter them as soon as they are born. A newly hatched chick gives 0.6 nutrition when slaughtered, more than double the amount an egg provides. and whilst you will have to wait for the egg to hatch the first time every egg cycle from then on will result in consistent chicks, which makes them as reliable a food source as eggs, but provide more than 2x the amount of nutrition. Using pens auto slaughter settings you can then automate this, and allow the desired number of chickens to keep colonists fed every day, about 2.7 per colonist.
Congratulations! You've discovered a mechanic known in the biz as "baby slaughter."
I 100% follow you, it is more efficient in terms of raw nutrition than eggs after the laying cycle catches up with the gestation cycle. I tested it, and there's some weird mechanics that occur with egg stacking.
When your pawns gather eggs and stack them, it can shift the hatching times. So you get weird averages and it doesn't always work out to egg-actly 1 hatchling per day. Sometimes, your chicks hatch _faster_ making them _even more_ efficient.
The downside is, there's a lot more guesswork and labor involved. Auto-slaughtering, unpredictable wait times, cleaning, hauling, and butchering. You end up with more labor than the more simple supply chain you can build with unfertilized eggs.
My personal assessment: eggs are more worth it for the simple reason they are clean and easy. However, slaughtering chicks makes more sense once you have the labor to spare and a well-built slaughterhouse.
Either way, I feel monstrous for killing newborn chicks, so I stick to eggs XD
You can also supplement your chikens diet (and any other animal) with kibble. I make kibble out of hay+insect meat after each infestation. If your butcher pawn is canibal, psychopath or bloodlust they can butcher raiders without mood penalties, just form a caravan and send all pawns which may get upset and have the butchering take place while they are outside the map. That way you can make human meat kibble, the downside is the extra work required to make it.
Kibble is great as it doesn't needs refrigeration, you can store it in a closed barn and it will never deteriorate or spoil, but it would be betrer if stacks were bigger, 200 as hay instead of just 75.
Or Supremicist Ideology -- virtually replaces the need to have cannibals or psychopaths.
Chickens and Turkeys go brrr. I ran a jungle game and wanted to see how many turkeys I could handle before I stopped being able to run at even double speed. I have a limit of about 300 turkeys before my computer is like "Bro stop."
your voice is so perfect for a western style movie
Showed this to my hen, told her to git gud and lay eggs every 24 hours instead of every 26 hours.
Nice
I came for the content. I subscribed for the puns.
I was about to leave without subscribing but then I heard the Eggcellent puns
*But.... can't you just let the chicken eat the grass(depending on environment)? Doesn't really need to plant hay...*
Meaters are leas efficient for pure food but offer more kinds of usage. Can sell them to traders, use them to feed other animals, can use them as bait for wild animals, and possibly most useful you can use them to distract raiders. Not quite as efficient as a boomrat herd using zoning but chickens are more available and you can always change your plans and repurpose them.
Both.
Both is good.
Isn't grazeing quite importent when it comes to the power of the chicken?
Another EGGcelent video
Good
Great vid man. What would u say is the best number of hens for let's say 10 colonists, 15 colonists, 20 colonists for not getting too much eggs as for not increasing too much wealth. Thanks for the informative vid
@@VenomSteak Nice. Thanks for the heads up
2:10 Nice
Legend
Idea for a video. A very short farming tutorial. Example in this video if you just told me the name of what the hay was on. And the box collecting the eggs ans why it works. Would be cool.
I could learn it myself but it's just so much easier to watch a quick short
@@VenomSteak yeah, if it doesn't pay well no point in doint it. Just giving my pov, to help out. If you gather enough ideas a community poll would probably help out as well. Keep up the good work man.
So yeah, just make a separate enclosure for the Rooster(s) until you wanna breed some more
Mmmmm, egg fried rice!
Chicken fried rice is also an option.
How efficient is it to do Both meaters and Eggers at the same time? on top of that, what's the best way to feed em? (growing haygrass in their pen vs harvesting it and bringing it over, etc)
How many chickens (eggers/meaters) is it per colonist to survive just off of?
"I hope you had an eggscellent time"
Hahaha
"Dairy I say"
EGGS ARE NOT DAIRY PRODUCTS REEEEE
How do chickens compare to ducks and geese?
hey how does cow's milk compare to eggs?
May I ask, how much chickens should I keep? My default is 2 roosters : 10 hens. Is that too few roosters? Will I be swimming in unfert eggs?
hey here’s something I’ve always wondered despite playing way too much of this game:
does keeping a rooster in the same pen as your hens slow down egg production at all? like, if I just wanted egg chickens is using fertilized eggs at all worse?
@@VenomSteak Cool; The reason I ask is because I always like to keep at least one rooster on hand in case the other chickens die to random rimworld nonsense (thus requiring repopulating my coop) and was curious as to whether it was worth the extra effort to keep him separated. thanks!
How u separate chicken from others?
Do a video about what all are the best mods to have please...
@@VenomSteak Can't wait to see it. And if possible please do a rimworld series too
Aint Nobody got time or Space for this! Nutrient Paste it is!
(Nice insight though :) )
Just saying... you could be eating like kings.
@@VenomSteak Gotta admit, i am curious about having Egg Chickens now haha. I think Meat Chickens probably have a big Impact on Performance in late Game but a few Chickens will not hurt right. Gotta place them next to my 2 cows lol
quick question tho wouldn't it be more efficient to just eat the vegetables you are growing instead
Cows are gods of creation apparently
How the heck did you set up pens like this? All the settings I've found don't allow for purposely selecting what pen each animal will be in.
It took some doing, but I started by making one pen female only, spawning the right amount of chickens into each pen.
To run the tests, I walled everything off and forbade the doors. Only way to keep the results clean, because the herders kept trying to mix and match the populations.
@@VenomSteak Thanks for the response. I was really hoping to hear you either understood something I didn't on how to manage pens or that you found a mod that allowed for better control of things like that.
I did find one mod that you can set it up so only nuetered animals in one pen and non-neutered in another. I haven't tested it yet but I'm hoping if I do that to my hens they can still lay eggs even though realistically I don't think they'd be able to. This way I can make things like egg pens and breeding pens.
Other option is a mod that puts all animals back into zone systems but pen systems protects animals from raiders I think.
How did you separate the chickens into separate pens? My dudes just stick them all into the same pen together.
@@VenomSteak you did mate, cheers
Your voice suits documentaries lmfao
I stopped using animals after 1.3, because you could no longer zone them, and since we have non moded vegetarian meals I do not feel the need for meat.
Arent simple meals better for nutrition if you have the labour?
Depends. More efficient than whay?
You mean wheat? Since its animal feed its probably more efficient, but simple meals do make human food 180% nutrition efficiency
Eggs is also easier to store
Chickens work well with the immortals mod because they grow exponentially and then die over winter, leaving any immortals to revive
@@VenomSteak it's called natural selection
Why would you grow food to then feed to your chickens instead of letting them eat the grass that just grows by itself?
autoslaughter is set to 2 adult male chickens and 12 adult female chickens.
this creates a 70 chicken system.
2 adult males is like the max you would ever want in a colony, and the real population max is just how many chickens you want contributing to wealth
@@Water-rg7gp I'd keep at least 1 young male and 2 young female alive. That way if one of the old ones dies there's someone ready to replace them.
@@bruhtholemew i do not slaughter the young.
i let them reproduce wildly and starve
@@Water-rg7gp Oh. I was thinking for egg production over meat. That works too.
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what about milk ?
Cows far outstrip anything chickens can do. I did some testing for a thus-unreleased video where I was able to definitively prove that cows put out more nutrition than any other critter in the game (given the same nutrition).
Their meat and milk combined gives a raw nutritional output that beats out chickens, ibex, and horses. And it's not even close. They are the most efficient (and I think the fastest) food-producing animal in the game. It's not even close.
what about ducks ??
Ducks are marginally worse. Worth it if you have nothing else. Cows are better for food than literally anything else in the game.
I show this to my imaginare gf and chi-cken stop laughing
1 thing i want to mention is the lag with that populous haha i tried it with a large open space on the flats. just fed them with corn and it got out of hand i've had 320 of them. i wasn't focused on them b'cuz ive had alot of corn and made it to fine veg meals haha the time i gave them attention im at 30 fps hahahaha had to mass murder the avian population haha and the freackin meat.......... my pawn had to make tons of food baskets just to occupy the harvested meat they are literally swimming on chicken meat at the kitchen. next time i'd just monitor them hahaha
I'd recommend you try cows. They produce a lot more nutrition for a lot less food and are much easier to manage.
Yo wtf Nice vi
Pft. Neither, the answer is mushrooms.
But for real, the mushroom mod completely changes my game, goes great with a inner ideology, too. No more wasted time and risk by huntimg.
Your voice dude. You could work recording audio books!
But eggs don't make fried chicken
I prefer the strategy of genociding half the map every other month and rushing to make survival meals
@@VenomSteak you can store more survival meals in less space than the equivalent in pemmican, and somehow for me space always becomes a problem
I keep 20 of em. I keep them inside cave bases. They all get killed in a infestation? Save some eggs. Very reliable food.
i won't let chickens ruin another colony, the lag and the corpses......
This sounds like the sage advice from someone who has thousands of hours of Rimworld under their belt. Cheers!
I gib like, comment and subscrub bc chimken
Thank you
Chicken or duck
Screw all this, I live on Rice.
While you're not wrong about the efficiency of eggs > chicken tendies..... I'm sorry but the tendies must flow. I love the idea that my colonists have a robust assortment of meat to eat. I slaughter goats, cows, chickens, turkies, lamb, deer, and anything else i can get my grubby little hands on out in the wild. My people are a happy people. But what makes them the most happy? Chicken tendies.
You wanna know the truth about this video?
I love chickens. So I came up with a mathematical justification for why I wouldn't kill them. But hey, enjoy your tendies.
It's a false choice. Gather unfert eggs, allow fert eggs to hatch, slaughter unwanted chickens as babies, since in that case they provide 26 meat at a cost that's no more than that of an unfertilized egg. Allowing chickens to grow to adulthood just to get meat makes perfect sense IRL but not in Rimworld.
Either way, labor efficiency can make or break your scheme.
Why are you committing war-crimes against my brethren!?
If you want to make an omelette, you gotta crack a few eggs
Why can't you let your chickens graze in the open? Who cares if a few die during a raid.
@@VenomSteak no-no I meant. No pen. Just open space. I used to do that in older versions.
Wargs would wander around and kill everything wandering on the map, giving me free meat. Chickens would run amock in the forest, eating grass all day, only to return to the barn at night.
Is it still possible to do that? Or did they add a mechanic along with fences, to force players to cage all animals?
an E G G eg
You farm animals for meat
I kill animal because it made my late game TPP lag
We are not the same
Lol no. The best animal in rimworld is still the muffalo.
Produce wool/fur, milk, meat, and caravan animal.
Chicken and any birds are bothersome. Many entities can make your game lag. And also u need to do more management. Better never make them as your meat source.
Meaters are a little more sustainable, chickens dont live forever
man i hate nutrition math. why couldn't they put everything in terms of a simple meal or something? ridonc. speaking of nerd math, i've been playing for years and couldn't make sense of what he meant by efficiency. basically, they are good for turning veg into non-veg? is that the story here? i mean, if you feed the chickens flowers or grass they are basically producing meat/eggs from nothing, but if you feed them veg nutrition they turn it into non-veg nutrition at worse than 1-1?
"Efficiency" just means " _how much food do they eat, and how much food do they produce? "
So like, 0.9 efficiency would mean a creature eats more than it produces, while 1.4 efficiency means it produces more than it eats.
Nice