I love these videos, but they cause me to take exception with the years I spent getting ratings and building time. I spent an insane amount of money, like many of you out there. NOW I see that all I needed to do was simply view YT aircraft videos and benefit from the wisdom and insight of the true professionals that gather in comments. In YT comments, you will find an assortment of everything from engineers, 500,000 hour pilots, with type ratings in everything with an altimeter and aerospace design experts. I for one am humbled and am grateful for their wisdom and teachings, just wish I had found it sooner. Great video and beautiful aircraft guys, thanks for sharing ! 💫
Well videoed. Missed the intercom/radio comms, though. That pump under the seat would be a deal-killer for me. Pretty plane, though too much red for my taste (in case I ever buy your company, haha).
A good aeroplane., with spacious cockpit, with state of art control instruments.But there is a very disturbing noise, which I don't know if it the movement of the flaps.Generally to me, it's a good aeroplane.thumbs up to Pilatus PC-24.
If I was buying an jet, it would be either the PC-24 or the Phenom 300. I find the emplacement of the lavatory in front of the PC24 to be hygienically challenging. And there is that darn annoying intermittent motor or pump sound that would drive me nuts. The PC-24 has a bigger cabin than the Phenom 300 not to mention the huge cargo hold in the back. I also like the instrumentation. 4 big screens is very useful. Only a single keyboard, I wonder about redundancy. Very nice airplane. The co-pilot was nervous. He kept his hands on the control and making adjustment to the FMS. Not cool. If the pilot is checked on type, he can fly safely. Good landing! Please tell us about the motor thingy.
There is a motor pump that replenishes brake pressure in the pilots main brake accumulator. The pump is practically underneath the pilot seat. Its automatic and maintains main brake pressure. There is also an emergency brake accumulator in same areas which must be replenished. It is all automatic and operated by the utility system of the airplane.
I agree, the noise would drive me nuts and the toilet. What the heck? I do like the ability to take the seats out and make more room, if you have less passengers
The motor would be a deal killer for me. Shows lack of ergonomic consideration. On a long flight, my nerves would be shot, which is a safety concern. I dislike those game-controller yokes, too. That's not a safety matter, though. Beautiful on the outside, though for my taste the paint scheme is too garish. Not my plane though, obviously. Seemed like the mentor pilot was in a rush, doing too much for my taste.
Nice video. Beautiful airplane. Everybody is talking about that noise, probably a pump, that's really annoying. Can you imagine the whole flight "whiirrring" in and out ? Does it happen only on the ground ?
@@PlaneJunkies Is this something that has been either fixed on this plane, or is it something that has been put up the chain for change by the Pilatus Corporation…?
Why do some wings have winglets and others don't ? This one doesn't. Most, if not all small to medium size jets have them. Can anyone explain ? Thanks.
it all depends on the mission of the plane the engineers designed . some wings with winglet have fuel savings some don't require it . many type of wings out there . 777 787 don't have the huge winglets cause the wing is blended with it in the designed and not req , some winglets on airplanes are a after though a bandage to fix a poor design on a wing.
It’s a new class of aircraft SVJ - Super Versatile Jet. Because of the large aft cargo door (same as the PC12), it can take a standard size pallet. Think of it as a SUV of the Sky. I can large on unpaved runways and has been ordered in various configurations from VIP, cargo to air ambulance.
I don't know what was turning, retracting or extending during startup and taxi... very annoying and cant believe it wasn't noticed by anyone. Other than that noise, the cockpit seemed to be ultra quiet during start up.
Sounds like the hydraulic system being pressurized after the engine start....but I believe the mic placement did not help on this video...I don't think such annoying sound will be coming in/ou that often
likely for this reason; "The aircraft is designed to operate from short and rough airstrips and incorporates an advanced wing design, with a large double-slotted flap system to achieve the necessary performance, having a stall speed of only 81 knots at the maximum landing weight." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilatus_PC-24
@@PlaneJunkies i know lol,,, i guess the owner is allowed to slam his own bird :)... so it seems the honeywell can do vnav up as well,, garmin only does it down
Don't like the O/Head engine start controls, poor design! No APU for a $12+ Million dollar jet!!!! Not keen n that continuous duty pump running either!
Bush-Flyer I question the use of QPM as of now. It doesn’t really compare or replace a APU and all competing aircraft can start a engine and do the same... maybe a little louder and a little higher fuel burn but with or without QPM you start an engine and need to treat the aircraft the same. You are not allowed to leave cockpit or fuel the aircraft with it running and. More of a fancy sale pitch than something making a difference as far as I can tell but might be wrong!
@@stefannerstrand ''I question the use of QPM as of now. It doesn’t really compare or replace a APU'' It wasn't designed to replace an APU. It was designed to power the aircraft systems while on the ground. If I had a dollar for every time the APU was inop ........and an aircart was needed for start.....I would have retired 20 years ago.
@@stefannerstrand I don't think bush flyer understands too well, but hey some just need to defend at all costs:-) Adding to what you mentioned re not leaving the cockpit with a running engine he doesn't get it that an APU is there to provide all sorts of recourses INCLUDING another source of gen when an eng fails as well as protecting the ships batteries whilst not being heavily taxed during an engine start. Also not to mention the additional hours that would be ticking over on that running engine. Like you said more a sales pitch/gimmick! This concept is not popular & for good reasons!
@Straight Well it is kind of marketed as a replacement to a APU and for aircrafts in this class powering the systems on ground is the purpose of the APU:s since they still have electric starters and are designed to start the engine without the APU. Difference if you have a proper APU they are most likely approved for you to leave cockpit as well as be run during fueling of the aircraft among other. As I mention all competing aircrafts with or without APU can also start a engine to do the same so what’s the point really other than a fancy marketing term? The thing that really leaves me scratching my head are the hoops pilatus have gone thru to actually get this to work somewhat since the engine doesn’t deliver enough bleed air in QPM (due to the low engine rpm to keep the noise down) to provide any heating or cooling. They have to do that electrically separate to the normal heating and cooling system which probably works as a charm but adds a lot of complexity and weight. But that’s another story... :-)
@@endwood The PC24 was never really envisioned to be a business jet. This was designed as per the mission mindset of the aircraft. The pc24, much like the pc12, were designed for a customer set that is doing missions, such as aide in less developed countries, hence the short field takeoff capability, ability to land on unprepared surfaces, low ground pressure with dual mains and fat nose gear, and the beefy trailing link main landing gear. Pilatus then took the design and added a luxury interior to it. QPM isn't a feature that is really marketed towards a business owner, but rather that mission set above. The ability to fly into a strip next to a small village in the middle of Africa that has no ground support equipment, shut down an engine, and throw the other one into QPM to keep the avionics powered during unloading of supplies is a pretty big deal. There's no wasted time waiting for both engines to start, GPS/IRS to align, and flight data to be entered. QPM isn't really designed for systems such as climate control, and 99% of the time a business user isn't going to use it. Additionally, QPM time isn't counted towards engine total time, thus there is no offset in engine overhaul. As for not leaving the cockpit during QPM, this also factors into the above example. This isn't a huge deal, as one of the pilots will stay inside entering the next route, while the other supervises offload.
WrrrreeeeeEEEEEE... WreeeeeEEEEE ( repeat continuously) Not being a smart ass, legitimately asking.. what is that? Is it in reality barely audible and loud only due to camera/mic placement? or is it audible and annoying to crew? As a non-pilot I will offer no critiques of control layout or other aspects of flight. I'm just here to to enjoy the mostly positive aspects of aviation on youtube.
From my understanding is the A/C...I mean, he must had placed the camera way to close to the air vent so I don't think a jet like this will have annoying audio to the crew/passengers
Those nuisance CAS MSGs on single eng startup are annoying enough not to buy... Pilatus needs a new GUI Engineer, and code those to be inhibited until a longer amount of time. Annoying as shit.
Pilatus doesn't design the avionics, Collins does. Every aircraft will give CAS msgs on startup, as the generator isn't outputting yet, thus you get a GEN fail, and in this case, stick shaker and pusher fail, amongst others. This is pretty standard on almost every aircraft with an EIFIS.
You know you’re wealthy when you go to the passenger seats first after purchasing a plane. 😂
That dude couldn’t care less about the cockpit.
discussing the transition to flare there at the end? that trailing gear saved that one...beautiful plane
excellent video thanks sharing beautiful aircraft.
I love these videos, but they cause me to take exception with the years I spent getting ratings and building time. I spent an insane amount of money, like many of you out there. NOW I see that all I needed to do was simply view YT aircraft videos and benefit from the wisdom and insight of the true professionals that gather in comments. In YT comments, you will find an assortment of everything from engineers, 500,000 hour pilots, with type ratings in everything with an altimeter and aerospace design experts. I for one am humbled and am grateful for their wisdom and teachings, just wish I had found it sooner. Great video and beautiful aircraft guys, thanks for sharing ! 💫
Randy...lol.......lol.
Had a good laugh here lmao
#Beautiful metallic bird really impressed 👏👏👍👍
Simply Beautiful.
Well videoed. Missed the intercom/radio comms, though.
That pump under the seat would be a deal-killer for me. Pretty plane, though too much red for my taste (in case I ever buy your company, haha).
Nice, very nice video.
Thanks for posting this and part one, new subscriber
Thanks for the sub!
A good aeroplane., with spacious cockpit, with state of art control instruments.But there is a very disturbing noise, which I don't know if it the movement of the flaps.Generally to me, it's a good aeroplane.thumbs up to Pilatus PC-24.
what a sweet airplane....
Awesome videos! Thank you! What is that "sump pump" noise that constantly goes in and out?
Happy new year!!
Inspiring
Did either one of these guys know how to fly this thing? Good thing it was a VFR flight!😉
The guy shooting the video....the first guy at the beginning is an expert on this aircraft. These guys have the money!
Swiss made beauty!!
Do they serve Swiss cheese Swiss chocolate in this flight and do they allow Swiss army knife I'm sure they serve Swiss miss hot chocolate
That intermittent high pitched motor would be annoying. Noisy cockpit. Is the guy in the left seat the owner?
If I was buying an jet, it would be either the PC-24 or the Phenom 300. I find the emplacement of the lavatory in front of the PC24 to be hygienically challenging. And there is that darn annoying intermittent motor or pump sound that would drive me nuts. The PC-24 has a bigger cabin than the Phenom 300 not to mention the huge cargo hold in the back. I also like the instrumentation. 4 big screens is very useful. Only a single keyboard, I wonder about redundancy. Very nice airplane. The co-pilot was nervous. He kept his hands on the control and making adjustment to the FMS. Not cool. If the pilot is checked on type, he can fly safely. Good landing!
Please tell us about the motor thingy.
There is a motor pump that replenishes brake pressure in the pilots main brake accumulator. The pump is practically underneath the pilot seat. Its automatic and maintains main brake pressure. There is also an emergency brake accumulator in same areas which must be replenished. It is all automatic and operated by the utility system of the airplane.
I agree, the noise would drive me nuts and the toilet. What the heck? I do like the ability to take the seats out and make more room, if you have less passengers
The motor would be a deal killer for me. Shows lack of ergonomic consideration. On a long flight, my nerves would be shot, which is a safety concern.
I dislike those game-controller yokes, too. That's not a safety matter, though.
Beautiful on the outside, though for my taste the paint scheme is too garish. Not my plane though, obviously.
Seemed like the mentor pilot was in a rush, doing too much for my taste.
Michel Rail that constant motor noise is just terrible, would imagine that to be annoying while doing check lists.
@@glenmoore4624 Please give a link to this unit. Materials with photos, videos, description.
what is that water pump sound???
That motor that keeps kicking is annoying.
What is the motor that runs intermittently in the cockpit during operations?
It's to keep you awake during taxi
Sounds like the hydraulic pump.
Curious as well.
Exactly, iit's called a coffee grinder 😊
properly hydraulic pump
Nice video. Beautiful airplane. Everybody is talking about that noise, probably a pump, that's really annoying. Can you imagine the whole flight "whiirrring" in and out ? Does it happen only on the ground ?
Only on the ground but it’s been fixed . Of the pilot rides the brakes it using up the pressure and the pump keeps having to charge the system
@@PlaneJunkies Is this something that has been either fixed on this plane, or is it something that has been put up the chain for change by the Pilatus Corporation…?
hydraulic pump defective?
Why do some wings have winglets and others don't ? This one doesn't. Most, if not all small to medium size jets have them.
Can anyone explain ?
Thanks.
it all depends on the mission of the plane the engineers designed . some wings with winglet have fuel savings some don't require it . many type of wings out there . 777 787 don't have the huge winglets cause the wing is blended with it in the designed and not req , some winglets on airplanes are a after though a bandage to fix a poor design on a wing.
@@PlaneJunkies Thanks. I need to look this up in Wikipedia.
Great vid. A man with your money and means can employ a soundman next time so we can enjoy this adventure with you please ty
What is that hydraulic pump noise that is every 10 seconds?
Absolutely unacceptable for a 10 MLN jet!!!
Did anyone hear Obi Wan's voice over saying to use the force?
That sound is the trimm engine?
No hydrolic pump for the brakes. for 12 million you'd think they could shut that thing up with a sound box. That noise IS a deal breaker for me.
Couple of quetions... What is the use-case for the aircraft? What does the owner do for a living?
It’s a new class of aircraft SVJ - Super Versatile Jet. Because of the large aft cargo door (same as the PC12), it can take a standard size pallet. Think of it as a SUV of the Sky. I can large on unpaved runways and has been ordered in various configurations from VIP, cargo to air ambulance.
it appears the owner is a fractional share operator.
No check list?
Did you even watch the video?
I don't know what was turning, retracting or extending during startup and taxi... very annoying and cant believe it wasn't noticed by anyone. Other than that noise, the cockpit seemed to be ultra quiet during start up.
Sounds like the hydraulic system being pressurized after the engine start....but I believe the mic placement did not help on this video...I don't think such annoying sound will be coming in/ou that often
It was the hydraulic pump winding the rubber bands!
Anyone else find the RHP really really annoying?
What the hell is that annoying servo noise that was happening about every 15 seconds on the ground? That would drive me to distraction.
When u ride the brakes lol
I was going to ask the same thing about that whirring sound that keeps coming on. Rather annoying.
Hydraulic pump for the brakes. At least it's not in the passenger compartment.
That hydraulic pump is very my annoying. All the engineering and that?
it happens if you ride the brakes
According to the FAA website this plane is still owned by Pilatus. Weird
The new owner seems less than enthused.
Why no winglets??
likely for this reason; "The aircraft is designed to operate from short and rough airstrips and incorporates an advanced wing design, with a large double-slotted flap system to achieve the necessary performance, having a stall speed of only 81 knots at the maximum landing weight." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilatus_PC-24
I guess they figured that it was better to not have winglets
Costs extra!
nice bird,,, was that me,, or was that a hard landing ?
wasn't me lol
@@PlaneJunkies i know lol,,, i guess the owner is allowed to slam his own bird :)... so it seems the honeywell can do vnav up as well,, garmin only does it down
vnav up and down yes lol . he's not the owner lol owners not a pilot
@@PlaneJunkies oh ok,, just thought he was the owner lol,, i think you should have been flying it :))
nah I was In the back with the owner lol
Don't like the O/Head engine start controls, poor design! No APU for a $12+ Million dollar jet!!!! Not keen n that continuous duty pump running either!
Bush-Flyer I question the use of QPM as of now. It doesn’t really compare or replace a APU and all competing aircraft can start a engine and do the same... maybe a little louder and a little higher fuel burn but with or without QPM you start an engine and need to treat the aircraft the same. You are not allowed to leave cockpit or fuel the aircraft with it running and. More of a fancy sale pitch than something making a difference as far as I can tell but might be wrong!
@@stefannerstrand ''I question the use of QPM as of now. It doesn’t really compare or replace a APU''
It wasn't designed to replace an APU.
It was designed to power the aircraft systems while on the ground.
If I had a dollar for every time the APU was inop ........and an aircart was needed for start.....I would have retired 20 years ago.
@@stefannerstrand I don't think bush flyer understands too well, but hey some just need to defend at all costs:-) Adding to what you mentioned re not leaving the cockpit with a running engine he doesn't get it that an APU is there to provide all sorts of recourses INCLUDING another source of gen when an eng fails as well as protecting the ships batteries whilst not being heavily taxed during an engine start. Also not to mention the additional hours that would be ticking over on that running engine. Like you said more a sales pitch/gimmick! This concept is not popular & for good reasons!
@Straight Well it is kind of marketed as a replacement to a APU and for aircrafts in this class powering the systems on ground is the purpose of the APU:s since they still have electric starters and are designed to start the engine without the APU. Difference if you have a proper APU they are most likely approved for you to leave cockpit as well as be run during fueling of the aircraft among other. As I mention all competing aircrafts with or without APU can also start a engine to do the same so what’s the point really other than a fancy marketing term?
The thing that really leaves me scratching my head are the hoops pilatus have gone thru to actually get this to work somewhat since the engine doesn’t deliver enough bleed air in QPM (due to the low engine rpm to keep the noise down) to provide any heating or cooling. They have to do that electrically separate to the normal heating and cooling system which probably works as a charm but adds a lot of complexity and weight. But that’s another story... :-)
@@endwood The PC24 was never really envisioned to be a business jet. This was designed as per the mission mindset of the aircraft. The pc24, much like the pc12, were designed for a customer set that is doing missions, such as aide in less developed countries, hence the short field takeoff capability, ability to land on unprepared surfaces, low ground pressure with dual mains and fat nose gear, and the beefy trailing link main landing gear. Pilatus then took the design and added a luxury interior to it. QPM isn't a feature that is really marketed towards a business owner, but rather that mission set above. The ability to fly into a strip next to a small village in the middle of Africa that has no ground support equipment, shut down an engine, and throw the other one into QPM to keep the avionics powered during unloading of supplies is a pretty big deal. There's no wasted time waiting for both engines to start, GPS/IRS to align, and flight data to be entered. QPM isn't really designed for systems such as climate control, and 99% of the time a business user isn't going to use it. Additionally, QPM time isn't counted towards engine total time, thus there is no offset in engine overhaul. As for not leaving the cockpit during QPM, this also factors into the above example. This isn't a huge deal, as one of the pilots will stay inside entering the next route, while the other supervises offload.
WrrrreeeeeEEEEEE... WreeeeeEEEEE ( repeat continuously) Not being a smart ass, legitimately asking.. what is that? Is it in reality barely audible and loud only due to camera/mic placement? or is it audible and annoying to crew? As a non-pilot I will offer no critiques of control layout or other aspects of flight. I'm just here to to enjoy the mostly positive aspects of aviation on youtube.
From my understanding is the A/C...I mean, he must had placed the camera way to close to the air vent so I don't think a jet like this will have annoying audio to the crew/passengers
Those nuisance CAS MSGs on single eng startup are annoying enough not to buy... Pilatus needs a new GUI Engineer, and code those to be inhibited until a longer amount of time. Annoying as shit.
Pilatus doesn't design the avionics, Collins does. Every aircraft will give CAS msgs on startup, as the generator isn't outputting yet, thus you get a GEN fail, and in this case, stick shaker and pusher fail, amongst others. This is pretty standard on almost every aircraft with an EIFIS.
P300E is way better