Control Explained - Black Pyramid Symbolism
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Hello everyone. In today's Video, we dive into the realm of Pyramid Symbolism in order to attain clues related to Black Pyramid.
The story of Control makes note that The Board and The Black Pyramid are not the same. The Board simply controls the Pyramid, but it is its own thing altogether. So what function does the Pyramid serve thematically and within the Setting?
We will use General and Alchemical symbolism to assist us with this question.
Please feel free to have free discussion in the comments section below regarding Black Pyramid Symbolism.
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The depth of control genuinely is awe inspiring. Every single character action hidden room file audio clip or area to explore down to the combat and dialogue this game had me genuinely enthralled
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@@pyrotrashtic3921I caught that too, I do enjoy a good play on words.
In Finnish mythology, Ahti is a heroic character. This is the name of the Finnish god of the ocean. What if this is connected to Ahti as the alchemical symbol is water? Then in terms of Fins, the soundtrack "Old Gods of Asgard" could be a reference to how the Oldest House "grew" like Yggdrasil from Norse mythology connecting to different realms. Idk i sound like a tinfoil hat conspiracist haha
This channel is all about tin foil hat stuff so you're right at home lol.
But the oldest house being a version of the World Tree is pretty much confirmed. Hence why it leads to other realities as the ygrassil does. Check out the Foundation dlc if you haven't already. Some audio logs talks about the world tree parallels.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I have played that but i didnt even notice haha
@@lucym1383 You see this is one of the things I so like about remedy game. You probably unconsciously made the connection the game wanted you to make.
You don't really need to understand exactly what the game is about by reading the files and the likes, the game by itself draw from it to make you understand
Never noticed northmoor had a sarcophagus in containment. Wtaf
Right?! By the end of my playthrough I got the impression something was off about the NSC. I didn't notice that until a Let's Player pointed it out. I lost my shit lol.
I know I'm a little late, but isn't that a person in there generating the power to the oldest house? I thought they were able to also add another subject to another sarcophagus.
@@inyobase127 Yeah, it's the director before Trench. You can tel there is a guy in the chamber if you look at the monitors around it.
And he's still alive
@@SantinoS_ that's what sucks. He's entirely consumed by what the OoP have done to him. Like Trench said, Northmoor was all about the power. He's become so powerful he's become a source of reusable energy for the FBC
If not for control, i would've not found this channel at all, wonderful content, full of information with minimal leak or spoilers, keep up the good work
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Another excellent video. I hadn't considered that the Board was separate from the Pyramid, but it does make sense. After all, one of the first lines from them is "We are broadcasting from the Pyramid/Other". I think the DLCs (particularly Foundation) will provide more context but I don't think we will ever get a definitive answer, which like Jesse says I'm OK with. I'll be happy with just some more clues we can theorize over until AWE drops.
Just like they say at the start of Alan Wake, these lingering questions sometimes shouldn't be answered because the unanswered questions are what stick with us after the story ends.
I love narratives where the world is a mystery to be riddled out. Even if we can never get an answer it is fun to try. I'm with you, I'm super excited for these DLCs.
I'm curious what direction the story takes us in with all these mysteries.
Oh by the way, I remember you were a Max Payne fan. I'm working on a First Impressions series talking about my experience playing it and my theories on a chapter by chapter format. Just wrapping up the 1st part. Hope you get a kick out of it!
Gaming University so you did get around to playing Max Payne! It’s fascinating to look at through a modern lens. The comic book style they used instead of cutscenes has helped the game age really well imo, and you can see the passion of a young studio behind it. Just remember to quick save all the time haha
Oh I learned that lesson very early on lmao. I cant tell you how many times I had to replay a chapter.
I'm actually just starting Chapter 7. Its immensely enjoyable so far.
So I'm working on setting up a discord to chat about these games and get suggestions for future stuff. If you're interested I'll let you know when it's ready.
There was a video regarding the black pyramid as a conduit for the norse pantheon. With the foundation and one of the pillars having an etching of yggdrasil, or the wolrd tree, ahti, being the finnish god of the ocean and mentioning his swedish friends unable to handle the sauna, even former practically being a symbol for loki. I could be wrong on the last mention. But worth investigating.
Whether or not there is a connection between the black pyramid and norse mythology, I have no idea.
Hearing you talk about this makes me think of the Tarot, and specifically about the 19th of the major arcana: The Moon. It symbolizes the unknown, the unconscious, and the unspeakable, among other things.
It depicts a crustacean crawling from a body of water, while a dog and a wolf both howl at the moon in the background. Bodies of water are often a symbol of the barrier between the real world we usually perceive and the sub-real fantasy we are barely conscious of; the Dark Place beneath Cauldron Lake is a good example, as are any number of legends about buried treasure, sunken shipwrecks, or even entire lost civilizations like Atlantis.
It is good to hear someone is familiar with Tarot. The Moon and/or using water to represent gateways to the unconscious is a big thing in the game but literature in general. I love the symbolism that the dog and the wolf represent both the civilized/tamed and animalistic/feral aspect of the human psyche. I have a one-off video on Persona 4 that jumps into that card.
@@GamingUniversityUoG And now that I have your attention, I'd also like to make a recommendation: Bloodborne. From what I can tell, the lore and symbolism is right up your alley.
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Let's see what happens! I'm working to make that happen!
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I found Control in 2021, only got to playing it now and found your channel soon after. Fascinating stuff, I absolutely adore it. As a kid I loved all this esoteric and paranormal stuff so Control came like a real blast from the past, itching a scratch that I have long moved past as a person. I'm so glad to have found your channel, I love speculation and the mysterious.
Got platinum for control a while back been loving the lore just wish there was more like it that I knew about
I'm kinda dumb
I really wish more people talked about this game. It is a lore hunters paradise.
So happy to find this channel your research, theories and interpretations are very good and leaves me asking so many questions can't wait for Alan Wake 2 and Control to hear your interpretations of them. Side note I'm pretty sure I saw you on the Alan Wake and Control sub reddits very cool.
03:01 as a curious fact, arsenic is a Greek word (αρσενικό/arsenikó) and it means "male" or "masculine".
Interesting. Didn't know that bit.
Your videos are just amazing, I have no more words to describe it
Thank you so much! It is really good to hear you enjoy these.
Subscribed because your control videos. Hard to find dissections of this game
Welcome aboard and thank you for the sub! Yeah I find it a shame there is not more people talking about this game. I'd recommend checking out Max Derrat as well. He has some good content on this franchise too.
I dont think they will release Control 2.. Remedy is known for not doing Sequels. Control "1" is already set, since what else can you do in terms of "new level design" for the FBC.. It saddens me, because they are so many questions left unanswered and I feel like justifying it by saying "Oh, just construct your own theories about the story" is lame storywritting. Yes, I love it when I have to use my brain and think really hard when it comes to games like that.., but there is literally a "theory" for every aspect to the game, making it way too vague and making me frustrated to the moon and back. Even with the two DLC's we got nothing truely got answered, except that The Former is a "former" member of The Board and that Marshall blew the Nail up to prevent the bleeding.. :(
The main reason I would argue we will eventually get a Control 2 is in the game files one of the symbols for the oceanview motel doors is labelled Control 2. But also this game really brought attention to Remedy so sticking with this setting would be a good business decision. Granted I agree with the exception of Max Payne, remedy games haven't gotten sequels.
One thing I try to keep in mind is that even if we don't have Jesse as the main character, the world will still expand, we will get some answers. However, a different POV character will be leading the show for this particular story.
We will have to wait and see though. Luckily Remedy is doing some massive hiring right now so with a bigger team I feel we won't have to wait as long as we've gotten used to.
@@GamingUniversityUoG In my opinion a control sequel should be from someone else's POV preferably someone in a different country since the FBC is mainly focused on the safety of America. Seeing how other countries developed to face AWEs and OoPs since I couldn't find a reason these things would only be in America, it's even more interesting when you realise other countries didn't have the advantage of the Oldest House and most likely didn't have The Board. One possibility I thought of was places in Europe (I don't know much about history so I may be saying nonsense) with stories about people being persecuted for witchcraft some of the cases would be actual parautilitarians getting killed and since there's no Oldest House to prove the existence of the supernatural instead of a government agency there would be something run by civilians like a company, community volunteer center or even a street gang.
It's confirmed now
@@Notmuhrealname hi, I'm from Brazil, let me give you a hint of what could be a similar oldest house in my country.
You certainly heard about El Dourado legend right? A city made of gold?
Well turns out that the natives in Brazil have a similar myth, the city of Akkor, home of the gods....
It is said that the city itself is invisible AND it can move from place to place.
Theres also a urban myth about a massive military base very well hidden right in the middle of Amazon, theres not prof that this base exists, only whispers here and there, but the belief is that there is something big that the brazilian government hide deep in Amazon... There is even some cases similar to Roswell, like the project Pratos and Varginha case.
Also "haunted" houses are "common" all over the country.
What if in Brazil instead of a magical building, have a magical flying city that is controlled by a branch of the military?
It doesn't need to follow the same rules as the FBC, only the same purpose.
Add the idea that the brazilian military has it's roots with Templars, and you pretty much have a similar setting for a Brazilian Control.
What do you think about the theories found in The Foundation DLC? Ash gave us two possible interpretation for the Black Pyramid:
-it could represent conflict and stagnation, while a normal pyramid (the white one in the motel?), standing on its base represent stability and stagnation.
-another possibility (I don't remember if this was from Ash or frome someone else) is that the inverted pyramid represent God descending on Earth; the pyramid standing on the base represents men ascending to God.
(We clearly see the Board using the Astral power to invest normal object, so the second theory seems be plausible. I'm not convinced about the first one).
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True. Without hero to fight. Chaos will be everywhere
They act as a dam holding back the river.
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Thank you so much! Welcome aboard!
Weirdest game I got for christmas...
The weirdest thing I personally find though, is the former.
The board is the strange but enough digging will give you an answer to what it is.
The hiss seek to corrupt the board and came out of the projector OoP
But the former kinda just comes out of no-where with no apparent connection to the board or the hiss.
Since you make these explained videos (and are one of the few channels who do this lore/explained type videos on remedy's games), I would appreciate it if you covered the Former as I can find no other explanation online.
Great video also btw.
I do have to admit the story and universe presented in this game is weird, but that's what I love about it.
You're in luck then, I keep a list of topics I want to cover for these Remedy games and The Former is near the top.
I'm working on something for Max Payne currently then in deciding whether to tackle The Former or another Alan Wake video next.
I have some thoughts on The Former that I hope helps.
The Former does have aconnection with the Board, it was once part of the Board, as someone mentioned, Board represent the norse pantheon, and the Former is basically Loki, the oldest house clearly represents the Yggdrasil, theres even a symbol of it down in the basement.
Now, one thing to note here is the synchronicity that pagan religions have across history
The greek, the norse, even some african religions, have similar gods.
For instace, the greek gods live upon the Olimpus mountain, wich in some ways is similar to the Yggdrasil.
A mountain is a natural pyramid...
@@efxnews4776 bare in mind I commented this before DLC 1 dropped, which also gave a lot more answers to what the Former is
In the oceanview motel there's two doors one of them has a symbol that seems to be a normal pyramid, the other is the inverted black pyramid that basically leads back the oldest house so I'm wondering where we go if we ever get to go to the normal pyramid room.
Pyramids also keep razors fresh and burgers sharp.
Nah. When the call it "the Board" they're being literal. It's actually just Plank from the old Ed, Edd and Eddy cartoon in charge of everything.
Plank has come a long way man, *wipes away tear*
@@GamingUniversityUoG Aye, he's really grown up a lot.
2:51 speaking of pyramids if you go and watch the Alan wake 2 announcement trailer at 0:08 you’ll see a double pyramid carved into the tree that has to be a tie into control
The hourglasses meeting is a symbol used in Alan Wake 2
Thank you.
You got it! Hope it helped a little.
The purpose of the pyramid is twofold I think. Firstly it is to usurp the power pyramids hold in mythology/culture/conspiracy, to subsequently become a new architype for the Board. We know that shape has no inherent relation to the Board as they were also represented/contained in the Nail. Secondly the black pyramid filters power to the Board through the collective thoughts of the Bureau staff, like human thoughts/rituals change the properties of the alerted items/objects of power, which are themselves architypal items. You covered much of why I suspect/postulate this but I thought I might add my two cents/rant.
has that supplementary video been released or am i just missing it?
No supplemental video on Oyrmaids specifically yet. However, I discuss the Board frequently in other videos and I do have one that will dive deeper into some of the motivations behind them.
After beating alan wake 2. I wonder if the Board is actually Alan Wake in the dark place. Notice how in AW2 the cabin flips upside down looking similar to a upside pyramid. Also, the Boards choppy dialog remains ne of Wakes exhausted lazy writing.
If that were the case we would have to establish the relationship to Former, multiple entities with different voices with the Board, why it is antagonist and controlling, relationship to Northmoor, Ash Jr. etc. Personally, I do believe we will have some lingering effects of Alan in the future. But I'll have a video on that later.
@GamingUniversityUoG I would go into a spiral if I kept going with the puzzle pieces. The Former to me feels like either 1: the ancestral memories of the father 2: Thomas Zane the former artist 3: your former self in the past 4: the Board is a collective of directors/ whatever came before. With the Former Trench rebeling. 5: a collective of the archetypes with the Former being a forgotten one 6: similar to "I have no mouth and I must Scream" the Board eventually becomes "Scratch" and the Former is now Wake. It's controlling cuz it's trying to force a certain narrative to turn Jesse into the hero. But I personally don't believe Control takes place in the real world, but all represents Alan/ the real writers unconscious/ subconscious mind trying to gain control inside the dark place. I also think whoever the Writer is. Is someone old in a retirement home with dementia trying to fight off this darkness washing away his memories as he writes to remember. Finland has been dealing with allt of dementia and music/sauna are good for recalling failing memories. There's also how Alan has those Live action segments or just "watches" through a TV. The internal observer trapped in their own mind. If the directors dont become part of the Board but die or become equipment. Then director Northmoor is the heart, Darling is our imagination, kinda ect ect. I'm honestly surprised/sad how Carl Young was mention every 10 files in control, but not once in AW2 lol.
Kinda switching topics lol. Did you ever play Clave Barkers Jericho? You start out with only one playable character until he dies. But then his special ability is found out possessing the others to control them. In most games, the MC is normal or a nobody until we the players possess them one day going on a grand adventure. Games like RDR2 will even comment on this. with Arthur saying he's been killing alot of ppl for no reason recently like someone is controlling him. In Control I think we're more Polaris than Jesse, which is why it's in 3rd person. But also in Alan wake 2, as soon as Saga and Wake are together before you can switch. It acts like something is watching them(us the player) from that puddle, that we then fly through to switch to the other.
We don't really know if the Black Pyramid has a bottom face. We never see it. It could go on forever into the nothingness of the Astral Plane.
Also, given that there is a face toward us and we can see two of the other sides, it's entirely possible that it has more than four faces.
I could never see the Black Pyramid as a pyramid. More like a building/colum endlessly reaching into the void without end. Question is; are we near the top or the bottom, relatively?
Now with Alan Wake 2, seems lile Ahti took a holiday to Bright Falla
please do an update video on the lore now that the dlc is out and that alan wake 2 will release soon
After AW2 I will be doing a full replay of the whole franchise. I'll be able to revisit some topics then.
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What are you doing, step-pyramid? 3:15
From the looks of it the blocks/terrain that is in the astral plane were built on top of one another for dylan to go up to the Board pyramid.
The Board seeks / wishes completeness / wholeness.
I feel smart as f watching this especially when I understand it
This actually made sense , Jesse and Dylan is one and Jesse wanted change and Dylan wanted control also self
Might not have been intended by the writers but it lines up thematically.
How are they one? They're not twins. They're not even the same age: Dylan is Jesse's younger brother. There's even a main campaign quest titled "My brother's keeper", a Biblical reference. It refers to someone who is responsible for someone else's actions, behavior, well-being etc... Like how Jesse is with Dylan, having spent the last 17 yeard trying to get him back, and constantly blaming herself and insisting that everything that happened to him was her fault.
Siblings! Not the same person. I don't even understand how one would arrive at such a bizarre conclusion.
@@Tumbledweeb you misconcept my disposition, I just beat the main story like a couple weeks ago and I have the dlc and the dlc 2 that I’m on right now
@@Tumbledweeb I understand what your saying about that mission , but genuinely in the game it’s stated that Jesse and dylan are one person as her name is faden or at-least her last name , somehow they’re connected like how you explain her brother dylan knowing about the reality Jesse would be stuck in like the one with her being stuck with no powers at all and a office worker
@@Tumbledweeb I believe now Jesse and Polaris / hedron are one even hedron dies in the main storyline , Polaris consciously resides in her as is she was a part of Jesse inner self and spirit the whole time even after she loses her powers for a few minutes , so my theory is that Jesse and dylan(brother are somewhat connected mentally as one person but physically no , they did get they’re powers from the same source am I right ?
The Black pyramid appears twice in Maxx Payne 3. Once between the elevator doors of the police station near the end of the game and at the end on Max's cigarette pack next to the red ashtray. Like Director Tench(trench coat like a detective) And Maxx walks off to the same beach in sure people are transported to when they play the "Blessed " juke box . Tin foil hat stuff. Or is it?
Max Payne 3 is not made by remedy it's made by rockstar
And it not connected because remedy sold the mp IP to rockstar
And it not connected because remedy sold the mp IP to rockstar
I'd probably know a lot more if I could be bothered to read the collectables.
It can take a lot of time but I'd recommend it. It really does explain a lot of the lore and expand upon the universe
@@GamingUniversityUoG Maybe I will now I've finished the game. There's just so many that if I'd of read them all, it would've killed the pace for me.
Ahti is a part of the board. it's obvious.
And still I'm confused.
somebody tell Remedy about this channel
There are a few over at Remedy that are aware of it. Most prominently the community manager Vida.
The foundation was kinda weAkkkkk ngl really short not enough
I know there was a different lead writer on The Foundation so that may be what you're feeling. Frankly it may have been trying to wrap up plot points like marshall and the former. Still, there is some interesting stuff in it. Opened up a lot of new questions and backstory.
Gaming University did you buy the AWE ? Is it just as good as the original? I only bought the foundation and I beat it in like 2hours 😂 quarantine right and do you think we’ll get like a Control 2 or something? Like Dylan’s story or something?
The AWE dlc has not been released yet so we will have to wait and see what happens there. For me the Foundation took about 10 hours or so because I was going super slow and trying to collect everything.
Control 2 is likely going to happen and they have set up enough that I'm sure Dylan will have more story down the line.
Frankly I'm still waiting for Alan Wake 2 and Quantum Break 2 so let's see what happens!
Gaming University I just found out about this game last week took a week to finish it but I’m so fascinated but the story of control this shit is so dope! But I’m excited for AWE when it releases and I’m even more excited for A number # 2 when it’s time
I really like these videos but you need to de-ess your narrations. The high frequencies stab my ears
Aahh, yes! I understand nothing.
Isn't it ironic that you talk about the black pyramid being the translator of complex symbols to understandable language,
while you're doing exactly that for us? Thank you, oh wise one. My //intuition.rational// appreciate././support your efforts.
Haha nice perspective on it. Thank you good sir! But remember I trust you all to hold my feet to the fire and keep me honest. Unlike the board who doesn't give a crap.