It's amazing to think that barely 4 months had passed between Ian's suicide and this gig. They grieved, composed new songs, tried to figure out the lyrics to Ceremony and rehearsed long enough to be able to get their act together as New Order and go to America (as planned 4 months before!) to play this strange mix of old/new sounds to a crowd that was probably expecting Joy Division songs thrown in between.
The rehearsal versions recorded by Joy Division sound like this too, much “heavier” sounding than the New Order b-side. I don’t really know how to describe it, but somehow the synth sounds more grating on this version, whereas it sounds dreamy and atmospheric on the studio version.
Love the sound of that Arp Omni 2 just about staying in tune through the songs and the Hohner melodica Ian use to own (got a green soprano model for my eighth birthday)
As you say lns, it is amazing that this "lot" became what we knew even in '83 as NO. Nevermind the assuredness of Technique. Bloody hell. Ceremony is so delicate too, beautiful.
This is great, thanks for posting. Love the different versions of these songs. Dreams Never End and Ceremony are two of my all-time favorites (along with Sunrise).
Yes, I would have listen to it on my bed, at the end of a sunny spring afternoon, instead of doing my home-works, and it would have filled my youth. Ending by Ceremony, maybe I would have forget where I was, when it was, maybe I would have weighted nothing.
I've always been fascinated about the existence of this first US tour. I'm deeply appreciative of this upload. And I'm a huge New order fan but from one N.O fan to another, this is a bit of a mess. I just finally heard the first Chicago appearance in 1983, it's on CZcams and it's a tremendous evolution from this. I mean this criticism with the utmost respect. I love everything about New Order, except maybe for the fact that Hooky is not in it anymore.
Fantastic! Excellent snapshot of a very brief transition period. The second track is so undeveloped. Sounds more like Tunnelvision or a Section 25 demo.
Sam Wulfekotter me too but I think he said they all sucked at singing and playing at the same time, and it was more natural to have the guitar come in and out alternating with the vocals ( which they’d already been doing anyway). It wouldn’t have worked as well to do that with the bass, the bass and drums need to keep driving the song.
It was especially galling when I saw the Technique tour and Bernard couldn't even remember the lyrics to his own songs. It was the last time I bothered to pay to see them live.
This is just a personal opinion but right off the first verse it’s interesting that I think Bernard felt pressured to try and sound like Ian. I don’t know if he fully felt confident in himself or what the three were continuing to do at that point, RIP Ian you are loved and missed everyday.
It must have been odd seeing them at this stage, as they were starting again like a completely new group - Seeing what worked and what didn't with a crowd wanting to hear some J.D material no doubt!
It would be interesting to see the vocal credits on this. Drum machine on Procession suggests Steve on that one. Very early versions of the songs. Never even knew of the existence of the unreleased track. Possibly never even made it to a recording. If it did, then it's a shame it wasn't included on the Movement 2 disc set.
Vocals credit : Bernard : In A Lonely Place Hooky : Cries and Whispers, Hour, Mesh, Dreams Never Ends, Ceremony (backing) Stephen : Procession, Truth, Ceremony
I love Stephen and New Order is my favorite band without question, but damn what a terrible voice! I'm glad he just stuck with drumming. And later keyboards as well.
Yeah, poor Steve is taking much hits on his vocals (especially on Procession) - but in fairness - "Procession " was new and the vocal melody was not established to follow clearly. For a beginner singer - this is not easy to just pull off as w/o a guide vocal melody line - good luck improvising live and sounding decent. "Truth" comes off well - as Steve had the most practice clearly on that one. For "Ceremony" - if Steve did not have to manage the monumental task for keeping that beat - he would have done better like the demo. But playing that live and singing without screwing up the pace or a missing a beat - hats off to him! I'd actually like to see of Phil Collins or Don Henley could sing and play "Ceremony" live without sacrificing something in performance. Shame Ian could not have made this trip as he would have loved it and maybe got him out of his whirlpool that was taking him down at the time.
Was Hooky singing a lot of the songs (Ceremony in particular)? I like what he did on Movement, but it's really a good idea he didn't end up the front man. Of course Barney couldn't sing much at the start either :)
Two misconceptions in the comments below 1/ The lads actually got over Ian's death a lot faster than you are all imagining. The interviews lay bare to this that after a few weeks it was all about survival 2/ The lads had bills to pay and reputation to keep so they had little choice but to go to America which Ian was dreading going to. He despised everything America stood for. Atrocity Exhibition.
@@pPpPancakes That's not much of a surprise considering the CD was entirely studio recordings and the DVD was entirely live recordings, this recording doesn't really fit into either camp
@@georgejpg The Movement definitive edition boxset includes rehearsal recordings as well though, There is a rehearsal recording of Hour that could have gone on the definitive edition but was left off.
New Order isn't Bernard or Stephen, it's just about stepping up and creating a new order out of loss, an impossibility if it weren't for every member of the band coming together and creating something raw, kewl, and only what they, working through the sh!t together, could have created. Really take off those filters and listen to it, really listen to it. If you don't get it, sorry, glad we do.
Top shelf shit. Brain stimulating and orgasmic. Talking about brain, they screwed mine. I went sideways. But cannot blame them for it. It was my choice.
Track 3 on Substance ("Mesh") is actually 'Cries & Whispers" mislabelled. As far as I'm aware, 'Mesh' itself was only released as a B-side (to 'Everything's Gone Green'?), and does sound similar to this recording.
I found it online years ago, on some blog. Still have the mp3. It's mostly drums and vocals only. Stephen drums and sings the lyrics off key and says "Can we have the next bit on the bass guitar?" and then Hook plays in the background, along with some synth. After a while, Stephen says "And there we have the other bass bit again" and continues singing. And then the song stops.
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It's amazing to think that barely 4 months had passed between Ian's suicide and this gig. They grieved, composed new songs, tried to figure out the lyrics to Ceremony and rehearsed long enough to be able to get their act together as New Order and go to America (as planned 4 months before!) to play this strange mix of old/new sounds to a crowd that was probably expecting Joy Division songs thrown in between.
00:00 In a Lonely Place
04:35 Cries and Whispers
08:25 "Hour" (unreleased track)
11:05 Procession
13:45 Truth
19:20 Mesh
22:18 Dreams Never End
26:10 Ceremony
That info is already in the description!
Who's The Decriber giz?
The roughness of this version of Cries and Whispers is extraordinary.
Listening to Movement, or any other footage of early New Order is heartbreaking. I'm pretty sure they were very heartbroken and confused back then.
Movement is zenith sound rediosssss🕶️💪💪💪💪💪💪
Singing is hellish, but if your lead singer and mate has just killed himself 4 months earlier, what balls to carry on. Brilliant.
Never heard such a intense new order version of 'In a lonely place' like this one before. Thanks so much for posting this and all the other songs.
The rehearsal versions recorded by Joy Division sound like this too, much “heavier” sounding than the New Order b-side. I don’t really know how to describe it, but somehow the synth sounds more grating on this version, whereas it sounds dreamy and atmospheric on the studio version.
Love the sound of that Arp Omni 2 just about staying in tune through the songs and the Hohner melodica Ian use to own (got a green soprano model for my eighth birthday)
agree ... newer performances were way too fast considering the lyrics and overall mood
between this and the BBC version, I know which one I prefer :)
"faster, Steve!"
man, this was even before Gillian joined the band, really dark stuff
Facundo Avila didnt know that! Thanks
@@No-to4id Gillian wasnt in the band since the beggining?
@@rodrigocastellari4460 No, not until they had to find a band mate since Bernard couldn't play guitar, play keyboards and sing all at once...
@@angelopark4826 thanks
thank god for Gillian
Name change aside this period is still joy division in my book. And it's entrancing and bloody brilliant
"We're new order" "24 HOURS!!!" lol
Violent version of New Order!
Steve singing procession, love ya man but god damn!
SAME
Thank you .
Saw Hooky this May at the Neptune in Seattle. Ceremony tour.
Going to see him at Neptune as well this November. Can't wait
Me too ! soo stoked !
As you say lns, it is amazing that this "lot" became what we knew even in '83 as NO. Nevermind the assuredness of Technique. Bloody hell.
Ceremony is so delicate too, beautiful.
This is great, thanks for posting. Love the different versions of these songs. Dreams Never End and Ceremony are two of my all-time favorites (along with Sunrise).
Yes, I would have listen to it on my bed, at the end of a sunny spring afternoon, instead of doing my home-works, and it would have filled my youth. Ending by Ceremony, maybe I would have forget where I was, when it was, maybe I would have weighted nothing.
I've always been fascinated about the existence of this first US tour. I'm deeply appreciative of this upload. And I'm a huge New order fan but from one N.O fan to another, this is a bit of a mess. I just finally heard the first Chicago appearance in 1983, it's on CZcams and it's a tremendous evolution from this. I mean this criticism with the utmost respect. I love everything about New Order, except maybe for the fact that Hooky is not in it anymore.
The eeriest version of Truth that I've ever heard. Nice.
"Truth" sounds really good here.
This is magnificent, giant gold nuggetts rolling from a mountain :: the emotions of our FINE YOUNG MEN...are pounding my soul back to life !!!
Saw many bands whilst freshly packed & squashed in at Maxwells !
Fantastic! Excellent snapshot of a very brief transition period. The second track is so undeveloped. Sounds more like Tunnelvision or a Section 25 demo.
When I listen to Hours I hear Digital - "don't ever fade away, I need you here today" and a similar beat.
Julie, I think decades is the link between joy division and new order
This is the transition, thanks for posting x
Morris voice is like lan cutis voice to me sent Achilles down my spine👽😎😊
Funny how Hooky and Steve do the bulk of the singing in this yet Barney became the vocalist.
honestly I love hooky's voice, especially as he got better.
Sam Wulfekotter me too but I think he said they all sucked at singing and playing at the same time, and it was more natural to have the guitar come in and out alternating with the vocals ( which they’d already been doing anyway). It wouldn’t have worked as well to do that with the bass, the bass and drums need to keep driving the song.
It was especially galling when I saw the Technique tour and Bernard couldn't even remember the lyrics to his own songs. It was the last time I bothered to pay to see them live.
This is just a personal opinion but right off the first verse it’s interesting that I think Bernard felt pressured to try and sound like Ian. I don’t know if he fully felt confident in himself or what the three were continuing to do at that point, RIP Ian you are loved and missed everyday.
All 3 sang alternatively and Steve actually sung the most, Hook mentions this in his book
'Truth' is so haunting and eerie here.
It must have been odd seeing them at this stage, as they were starting again like a completely new group - Seeing what worked and what didn't with a crowd wanting to hear some J.D material no doubt!
I´m the only one who hear Ian´s voice all the time?
to everyone watching; if you like it, download it so it doesn't disappear.
It would be interesting to see the vocal credits on this. Drum machine on Procession suggests Steve on that one. Very early versions of the songs. Never even knew of the existence of the unreleased track. Possibly never even made it to a recording. If it did, then it's a shame it wasn't included on the Movement 2 disc set.
Vocals credit :
Bernard : In A Lonely Place
Hooky : Cries and Whispers, Hour, Mesh, Dreams Never Ends, Ceremony (backing)
Stephen : Procession, Truth, Ceremony
@@Blank_Frank Bernard also sings the 2nd chorus of Ceremony
no lip syncing here...ROCK N ROLL WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED LIVE!!!!!
Hour reminds me of Wilderness...a fascinating document. Thanks for uploading
THANK YOU, like a cassette given at the lycée in those years, I would have discovered it at home on the cassette player.
Is that the tape fucking up on Ceremony or did they just invent auto tune and not tell anyone?
Amazing post!! Thank you very much!
Strange to see a NO show where Barney sings on ONE song.
Wow, Hooky does a good singing impression of Ian
Wow!!! That was pretty brutal! It’s amazing how quickly they turned things around and eventually became a great live band.
This is fucking fantastic!!!
I love Stephen and New Order is my favorite band without question, but damn what a terrible voice! I'm glad he just stuck with drumming. And later keyboards as well.
As a singer Stephen is the best drummed in Manchester....Seriously time def.
You can really hear the potential in Procession but it’s a bit of a wreak at this time
This is amazing, so raw and genuinly heartrending. Rather than just trying to copy Ian, it feels like they’re actually channelling his spirit.
Alright am i in the fucking beach club?
Interesting to listen to both Peter and Stephen attempting to imitate Ian's vocal style.
Now, THIS is a New Order I could get on board with. So much better than what came after 1982/3.
true new order paul.
Paul Metzger with the exception of Technique, post '87 New Order is just tosh
true, but at least republic had a reason to exist (ie an attempt to save factory records)
Sounds like Joy Division straight up, Stephens voice is eerie
Come on, they were good till after Republic
Hi from Manchester! 👌👌👌
Im right now in Hour, it's great !
Yeah, poor Steve is taking much hits on his vocals (especially on Procession) - but in fairness - "Procession " was new and the vocal melody was not established to follow clearly. For a beginner singer - this is not easy to just pull off as w/o a guide vocal melody line - good luck improvising live and sounding decent. "Truth" comes off well - as Steve had the most practice clearly on that one. For "Ceremony" - if Steve did not have to manage the monumental task for keeping that beat - he would have done better like the demo. But playing that live and singing without screwing up the pace or a missing a beat - hats off to him! I'd actually like to see of Phil Collins or Don Henley could sing and play "Ceremony" live without sacrificing something in performance. Shame Ian could not have made this trip as he would have loved it and maybe got him out of his whirlpool that was taking him down at the time.
Sounds so much like Simon Topping from ACR on Procession
Was Hooky singing a lot of the songs (Ceremony in particular)? I like what he did on Movement, but it's really a good idea he didn't end up the front man. Of course Barney couldn't sing much at the start either :)
Two misconceptions in the comments below
1/ The lads actually got over Ian's death a lot faster than you are all imagining. The interviews lay bare to this that after a few weeks it was all about survival
2/ The lads had bills to pay and reputation to keep so they had little choice but to go to America which Ian was dreading going to. He despised everything America stood for. Atrocity Exhibition.
Thank you
"Hour" is an unreleased track, right? Peter Hook didn't even mention it in his book, so it kind of feels more special to discover it here.
He just recently was on instagram live with his son and someone brought up that track and he didn't even remember it
@@IchMagEssen13 Thanks for the update. Guess it is truly forgotten then, since it didn't even make it to the Movement reissue
@@pPpPancakes That's not much of a surprise considering the CD was entirely studio recordings and the DVD was entirely live recordings, this recording doesn't really fit into either camp
@@georgejpg The Movement definitive edition boxset includes rehearsal recordings as well though, There is a rehearsal recording of Hour that could have gone on the definitive edition but was left off.
@@drewp.weiner5065 Ah, I wasn't aware. Where can I find it?
Imagine Ian singing "Truth".
New Order isn't Bernard or Stephen, it's just about stepping up and creating a new order out of loss, an impossibility if it weren't for every member of the band coming together and creating something raw, kewl, and only what they, working through the sh!t together, could have created. Really take off those filters and listen to it, really listen to it. If you don't get it, sorry, glad we do.
27:50 sounds like Steve started to lose his voice so Hooky jumped in 🤝
ΣΤΗΝ ΛΕΦΚΗ ΜΕ ΑΓΑΠΗ Ο ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ 23/09/1991 10:12❤
Amazing, tape must be damaged for Ceremony though, darn.
Great! Thanks!
Top shelf shit.
Brain stimulating and orgasmic.
Talking about brain, they screwed mine. I went sideways. But cannot blame them for it. It was my choice.
They were young and 😥. Their leader was dead. Look what they became.
Bernard has never been a great singer but he’s Pavarotti compared to Stephen
Ive been listening since1983 to anything and everything.
Please let me know which gig i stumbled across.I'll be waiting by the beach in Heaven
Pretty rough recording, but that performance of Cries and Whispers is amazing. Very intense synth work on that track.
Peter's voice is shocking!
Feedback alert at 3:32
Stephen sounds exactly like Ian.
Pretty sure it's Peter Hook singing, not Stephen.
Stephen is also singing in this
margus kiis indeed, especially 'Ceremony'. it was even uncanny.
margus kiis No he doesn't, Ian's voice was much deeper and developed.
Hour, I believe, is a version of Homage…
ok im at Maxwell's
Mesh was so like interzone
No fate,bro,but you right
Holy sh!t. Was anybody there?
damn.. this is good. I can't find it on Apple Music. I wish I could buy this with better sound quality.
Escuchar "Hour" es como si realmente Joy division hubiese viajado a los EE.UU
God Steve is tone dead. Must be all the drumming lol.
01:36 03:31 10:13❤
🙏🙏🙏
There was really only one choice of singer.
Track 3 on Substance ("Mesh") is actually 'Cries & Whispers" mislabelled. As far as I'm aware, 'Mesh' itself was only released as a B-side (to 'Everything's Gone Green'?), and does sound similar to this recording.
Your bang on! Steve's said it in the inside cover of the box set!
ooh, neat !!
03:55 04:55 05:55
Hope this was a free gig, it sounds like a reet load of old pump!
I'm pretty sure it's actually Steve singing 'Cries and Whispers'.
Correction, I think it's both Hooky and Steve. The higher parts is Steve's voice, I think.
So is this the earliest known new order gig to be recorded?
The earliest known live recording of New Order is from Scamps in Blackpool on the 5th September 1980.
Is there any way to find the rehearsal recording of Procession?
I found it online years ago, on some blog. Still have the mp3. It's mostly drums and vocals only. Stephen drums and sings the lyrics off key and says "Can we have the next bit on the bass guitar?" and then Hook plays in the background, along with some synth. After a while, Stephen says "And there we have the other bass bit again" and continues singing. And then the song stops.
@@soepil Do you think you could send it to me?
@@HaloAdmiral Sure, if I knew how to.
@@soepil My email is zacattack32@hotmail.com if you wanna send it to me through there.
Sounds a hell of alot like Simon Topping on Procession.
I have created a playlist of the studio versions of the songs played here czcams.com/video/iFteKByG5Q4/video.html
Unfortunately I couldn't find _Hour_
Hooky's ahead of the beat on "Procession," and not in a good way. Still an amazing recording.
can anyone point me to the FLAC of this? thx much.
I think this sounds slowed down :(
+Kareny Hernandez the last song was draggy wasnt it
Cries and Whispers would've been an awesome Joy Division song
who the hell is singing in ceremony
All of them. Stephen, then Peter, then Bernard.
I can't see clearly, is Bernard the one in the artwork? Whoever he is, he looks preety much like Ian.
Legian seems like it!
OK - so who are the four doppers who don't like this?
Aquí apesta a Joy Division aún
U'd be better off with no description. None of this has anything to do with New Order.
?????
The video description...'the original owner of this channel was an annoying bitch but the music is too good to take down, here is another bootleg although it was originally uploaded by a fellow named NintendoSegaSonyGuy or something like that, anyways since his channel got assraped by youtube, might as well keep this gem up.' - a) the only person who cares is admin and b) it makes him/her look like really self-obsessed, bitchy and petty minded
rofl
what song is steve singing
"Procession," "Truth," and "Ceremony."
Can anyone please tell me if this is the first show of them as new order ?
That would have been the Beach Club in the UK in July 1980, although under the guise of The No-Names.
Autotune on vocals on Ceremony!
fart