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  • Peter Meineck, Professor of Classics in the Modern World at New York University, is back to review more Greek and Roman mythology scenes from films and television including 'Aquaman,' 'Immortals,' 'Jason and the Argonauts,' 'Xena: Warrior Princess,' 'Troy' and 'Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters.'
    00:00 Intro
    00:09 'Aquaman'
    02:07 'Immortals'
    04:46 'Jason and the Argonauts'
    06:45 'Xena: Warrior Princess'
    08:03 'Troy'
    09:13 'Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters'
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  • @TanyaSapienVintage
    @TanyaSapienVintage Před 20 dny +582

    Metatron completely destroys this guy's arguments in a debunking video. Worth the watch.

    • @SaltyChickenDip
      @SaltyChickenDip Před 19 dny +33

      He's bit on the chariots is so frustrating! Like dude you read the classics. Maybe look into actual history about them

    • @Drako9823
      @Drako9823 Před 19 dny +18

      Agreed

    • @bureaffari3694
      @bureaffari3694 Před 19 dny +1

      ​@@SaltyChickenDipwhose?

    • @SaltyChickenDip
      @SaltyChickenDip Před 19 dny +3

      @@bureaffari3694 big history nerd

    • @Larry_Stylinson
      @Larry_Stylinson Před 17 dny +11

      @@bureaffari3694 Metatron (@ metatronyt) in his videos titled "This NYC Professor is a COMPLETE JOKE!" and "NYC Professor Strikes AGAIN! (and so do I)". He's Italian and studied Roman history, so he knows more about the topic than this professor who's supposedly an "expert" in mythology.

  • @bobbobbington3615
    @bobbobbington3615 Před 22 dny +444

    Proof that professors don't need to actually know anything.

    • @George_5050
      @George_5050 Před 19 dny +36

      All they need to know is The Message.

    • @aidanjanemcintosh6919
      @aidanjanemcintosh6919 Před 19 dny +4

      Please remember that Rubeus Hagrid was, too, a professor. But unlike this guy, Hagrid actually mastered his subject, except for some boundary problems.

    • @danielessex2162
      @danielessex2162 Před 10 dny

      Oh another one of those "College is for idiots people." Gonna tell us the reason you can't get a job is not your lack of education but DEI?

  • @frankvandorp2059
    @frankvandorp2059 Před 19 dny +248

    Character in Greek mythology: *breathes*
    This guy: "This is obviously inspired by African people, who also breathed!"

  • @ZatoshiRyuu
    @ZatoshiRyuu Před 19 dny +178

    What is a historic inaccuracy is that they gave this guy a PHD in anything other than being a fool.

    • @Frostyeveryday
      @Frostyeveryday Před 19 dny

      They did!! Fool = gender studies

    • @danielessex2162
      @danielessex2162 Před 10 dny

      His education is in mythology with probsblt a minor in history.

  • @Dieter-Doeddel
    @Dieter-Doeddel Před 20 dny +236

    A professor of gender studies reviewing mythology in movies. What next? A vegan reviewing steakhouses?

  • @franklesser5655
    @franklesser5655 Před 2 lety +4326

    What is entirely authentic in all movies is that in ancient Greece, Egypt and Rome they all spoke with an English accent.

    • @omniscientbeing4224
      @omniscientbeing4224 Před 2 lety +142

      well of course they did, how else were they supposed to record their dialogue? no one would be able to understand them otherwise. lol.

    • @colinp2238
      @colinp2238 Před 2 lety +11

      Al Murray will tell you why that is.

    • @bayupran
      @bayupran Před 2 lety +194

      It's not a coincidence because in ancient China, they also spoke English, as shown in Mulan.

    • @Xia-hu
      @Xia-hu Před 2 lety +102

      @@bayupran and in all the sci-fi movies, all the aliens speak english too.

    • @rooneye
      @rooneye Před 2 lety +6

      You mean speak the English LANGAUGE? lol An English accent would mean someone NOT speaking English. 😋

  • @thomasbones7973
    @thomasbones7973 Před 19 dny +59

    I’m Greek. Leave us alone, every sentence you utter is an insult to us. How about showing some respect and stop talking about things that you don’t belong to and know nothing about?

    • @danielessex2162
      @danielessex2162 Před 10 dny

      Ok, dude, then don't speak of him because you aren't him, nor do you "belong" (whatever tf that means)..... oh can't practice what you preach?

    • @haydencarn8737
      @haydencarn8737 Před 9 dny

      @@danielessex2162 You are just as much of an idiot as the guy in the video, since you seem to have missed the whole point.

    • @IonicSarge
      @IonicSarge Před 8 dny +7

      @@danielessex2162he’s Greek if anyone has a say on his culture it’s him. He does belong, and can absolutely critique this embarrassment of a professor

    • @user-gy6og4hx8j
      @user-gy6og4hx8j Před dnem

      ​@@danielessex2162 that "professor" ain't gonna f with you. Stop defending him, you ride his d too much

  • @Jhorzael
    @Jhorzael Před 22 dny +100

    What are they teaching students in New York bro

  • @rexs.5188
    @rexs.5188 Před 19 dny +65

    Bro desperately wants Wakanda to be real so he could go there and be a doormat for T'Challa

  • @goodusernamedoesntexi..
    @goodusernamedoesntexi.. Před 2 lety +2204

    You missed something important . In many of Sophocles' writings , he has repeatedly stressed that Hector did not actually look like Eric Bana

    • @cleverusername9369
      @cleverusername9369 Před 2 lety +330

      You mean to tell me that ancient Trojans DIDN'T look like hunky Australians?? I don't believe a word of it. Next you'll be saying Menalaus wasn't a great lumbering Irishman.

    • @goodusernamedoesntexi..
      @goodusernamedoesntexi.. Před 2 lety +68

      @@cleverusername9369 what can I tell you my friend ..... i only go by the ancient written word which advises that Do Not Invest Your Trust In The Plot And The Characters When David Benioff Decides To Adapt And Butcher Someone Else's Literature .

    • @coe3408
      @coe3408 Před 2 lety +38

      @@cleverusername9369 Trojans were indo-Europeans living in Asia Minor. They were probably Mediterranean looking like current greeks.

    • @AggelosKyriou
      @AggelosKyriou Před 2 lety +59

      As a Greek, I can assure you that Eric Bana could easily pass for a Greek or a modern Turk (=Greek+Armenian turncoat).

    • @denistuohy2535
      @denistuohy2535 Před 2 lety +50

      He did? I thought he EXPLICITLY wrote “Dude he so looked like Eric Bana”

  • @splint1872012
    @splint1872012 Před 2 lety +75

    Wow, this guy really just said that facts can be debated but myths can’t be debated

    • @SapphirePrimrose
      @SapphirePrimrose Před 2 lety +20

      That really took me back, he just completely swapped the definitions of those two words.

    • @Drako9823
      @Drako9823 Před 19 dny +10

      *hackjob noises*

  • @juliusnovachrono4370
    @juliusnovachrono4370 Před 20 dny +61

    This guy likes identity politics.

  • @crunchykevlar
    @crunchykevlar Před 20 dny +23

    Professor? Don't make us laugh

  • @TonyMontanaDS
    @TonyMontanaDS Před 20 dny +21

    How is this guy a professor???? The woke is strong with this one.

  • @Mobik_
    @Mobik_ Před 27 dny +280

    Remember kids, this is an ACTIVIST dresses as "professor"

    • @aarengraves9962
      @aarengraves9962 Před 19 dny +23

      He isn't even a historian... this must be a joke.

    • @brunogalvez9644
      @brunogalvez9644 Před 17 dny +6

      @@aarengraves9962 well, george washington was inspired by the dances of african people for his presidenship

    • @cmasad1
      @cmasad1 Před 11 dny

      And you’re an incel acting like you know what you’re talking about. I can tell you’re not a professor just by the way you spell in one sentence.

    • @danielessex2162
      @danielessex2162 Před 10 dny

      I don't think you know what you are saying

    • @AjenjoAnejo
      @AjenjoAnejo Před 9 dny

      Grifter is what he is

  • @shaderunner8220
    @shaderunner8220 Před rokem +821

    Very interesting how archery was seen as a cowards way to fight in Greek myths, but in Hindu myths, being a skillful archer was considered the highest and most honourable form of martial arts.

    • @user-kx4ls3no7x
      @user-kx4ls3no7x Před rokem +9

      What? have you not heard of Heracles?

    • @shaderunner8220
      @shaderunner8220 Před rokem +46

      @@user-kx4ls3no7x oh ya, Heracles and his battle with the hydra, where he used burning arrows. That is one of his greatest feat, though it often seems to get overshadowed by his other feats of strength.
      Are there any other examples of Greek heroes using bows? I know Odysseus had one.

    • @moffjerjerrod1579
      @moffjerjerrod1579 Před rokem +23

      Don’t forget, the bow was the primary weapon of the Samurai too.

    • @winklenator
      @winklenator Před rokem

      @@moffjerjerrod1579 ummm katana?

    • @Abraxxis
      @Abraxxis Před rokem +58

      @@winklenator Samurai fought primarily with the bow, then the spear, then with the sword. Katana was actually a side arm, only used for ritualistic purposes or as a last resort.

  • @mischalecterTV
    @mischalecterTV Před 22 dny +76

    Please never bring this "professor" back.

  • @ece2178
    @ece2178 Před 27 dny +87

    this is why we keep mythology "experts" and historians separate, one spouts pseudo history made up in their heads and the rest dont.

    • @ece2178
      @ece2178 Před 15 dny

      @@jays-move8803 yes but he is talking about the "history" they reference, that is the point of the whole video, did you actually watch it or even read the title?

    • @Baccanaso
      @Baccanaso Před 14 dny +2

      ​@ece2178 he got the "history" wrong
      Atlantis wasn't an allegory for Phoenicians, it was towards the Minoans

  • @heldane778
    @heldane778 Před 27 dny +45

    Wow, there's a part 2 of this horror show? Ugh

  • @giotto_4503
    @giotto_4503 Před 20 dny +31

    This guy really loves Africa

  • @charlieberry7562
    @charlieberry7562 Před 27 dny +68

    How can a professor be so uneducated?

  • @bannedtwice7767
    @bannedtwice7767 Před 23 dny +31

    This guy is an absolute freaking joke....

  • @Stirlingsays
    @Stirlingsays Před 24 dny +69

    This guy should be sacked along with whoever employed him.

  • @debrickashaw9387
    @debrickashaw9387 Před rokem +7

    8:57 the ruins of Troy is actually on the west coast of Turkey. Not in Greece

  • @Shrapnel82
    @Shrapnel82 Před 18 dny +9

    Take a shot every time Meineck says "Africa".

  • @sagitarriulus9773
    @sagitarriulus9773 Před 20 dny +18

    Hey Pete just wanna let you know this is in deed strike 2, strike 3 and you’re out.

  • @jamesj.mccombie5031
    @jamesj.mccombie5031 Před 19 dny +8

    Homer wrote of a memory of ancient chariot warfare in Africa or Anatolia…Troy is in Anatolia.

  • @akirebara
    @akirebara Před 2 lety +1645

    I love Professor Meineck. The fact that he says he doesn't care about accuracy because it's Xena, that's lovely.

    • @mistermastermind528
      @mistermastermind528 Před 2 lety +67

      I was about to say the same thing. People at his level are usually perceived as purists but he strikes a balance between explaining the mythologies as they are and interpreting them beyond whether for expression, exploration, or entertainment.

    • @MrDshack
      @MrDshack Před 2 lety +59

      Given his age, he probably would have been a teenage boy watching it first time round. Lucy Lawless' powers were strong on teenage boys! lol

    • @akirebara
      @akirebara Před 2 lety +49

      @@MrDshack I'm a woman and I absolutely LOVED Xena. I was about 9 or 10 when I would yell Xena's battle cry all over the playground. I love Lucy Lawless so much.

    • @cetterus
      @cetterus Před rokem +2

      He was being polite. It takes a lot of nerves but it can get you far. Like... making another episode on...games? If he spoke his mind without euphemisms- that would probably be adult content.

    • @willdavis3802
      @willdavis3802 Před rokem +23

      He also doesn't care about accuracy if it's a fact (if its something that is "important" - his words) should give you pause.

  • @MrAdmitos
    @MrAdmitos Před 19 dny +44

    ''facts can be debated but stories don't..'', as an archaeologist i haven't found such a clueless professor, till now.

    • @darkavenger666
      @darkavenger666 Před 16 dny

      and it is clear that you did not understand what he ment by that...

  • @mPrigipas13
    @mPrigipas13 Před 2 lety +304

    I'm a bit disappointed that out of the entire movie of Troy, the problem was the chariots. The whole movie has about 20% mythological accuracy. Fun movie though :)

    • @xtxpxhx
      @xtxpxhx Před 2 lety +2

      i think there was more in the first part...i mean, they probably didn't want to trash it, almost all of these movies share the same accuracy lol

    • @youngtoonfish6891
      @youngtoonfish6891 Před 2 lety +25

      The thing is that the director/producer of the movie wanted to get it a bit more realistic and cut out the whole heros, halfgods and actual gods battling. And yeah, that’s about 80% of the whole Iliad 😅
      But yeah, it is a great movie nonetheless.
      If I want accuracy to the myths, I just read the Iliad 🤷🏼‍♀️😄

    • @Mastur_Bateman
      @Mastur_Bateman Před 2 lety +7

      @@youngtoonfish6891 The film is made better by omitting most of the mythological aspects IMO... Reading the Iliad was one of the worst reading experiences I've ever had... nearly the entire book discusses military numbers and the relationships/allegiances/brief histories of the gods which made it a real slog (might as well look at a chart and read a Wikipedia article). On the other hand, the Odyssey was engaging and incorporated a good balance of narrative and mythology.

    • @youngtoonfish6891
      @youngtoonfish6891 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Mastur_Bateman it is a hard read for sure, I enjoyed the Iliad, but that’s just me. The film did a really great job!

    • @AEB1066
      @AEB1066 Před 2 lety +9

      @@Mastur_Bateman You forgot the page describing each warrior's weapons and armour in microscopic detail.

  • @firtazile8035
    @firtazile8035 Před 25 dny +17

    Yeah, no.

  • @eros4434
    @eros4434 Před 2 lety +964

    I’d love to hear his take on the story of Achilles and Patroclus!

    • @danniantagonist
      @danniantagonist Před 2 lety +147

      Just two bros, living their lives.....

    • @agentone8511
      @agentone8511 Před 2 lety +58

      woudlve rather hear about that or achilles' death than chariots

    • @eros4434
      @eros4434 Před 2 lety +193

      @@danniantagonist they were roommates

    • @danniantagonist
      @danniantagonist Před 2 lety +17

      @@eros4434 🤣🤣🤣

    • @SnidgetAsphodel
      @SnidgetAsphodel Před 2 lety +89

      If you haven't read The Song of Achilles by Madeline Miller, do it. Such a great book.

  • @SparkleLuna77
    @SparkleLuna77 Před 2 lety +17

    Those Jason and the Argonauts skeletons scared the crap out of me as a child! I used to avoid cracks in the ground for years afterwards! 🤣

  • @1964QuietStorm
    @1964QuietStorm Před 2 lety +29

    In The Illiad Achilles was already dead when the Greeks sacked Troy. He was never in the Trojan Horse.

  • @patrickhochleitner7754
    @patrickhochleitner7754 Před 25 dny +22

    That was one dissapointing Troy analysis

  • @1970Mrmaurizio
    @1970Mrmaurizio Před 24 dny +20

    this guy is a joke

  • @DaimonAnimations
    @DaimonAnimations Před 20 dny +67

    "Mythology Expert" More like Fantasy Expert. Doesn't know mythology but claims to know it. and American education continues to rot.

  • @phoqueme
    @phoqueme Před 2 lety +147

    Another thing about bows in Ancient Greece, it wasn't just considered dirty fighting but pretty much unmanly. It's one of the reasons why
    Paris was considered a coward and not manly enough, mainly cuz of his actions with Helen and his choice of the bow as a weapon, even though he was skilled with the bow.

    • @kamion53
      @kamion53 Před 2 lety +7

      bows were also pretty much a Persian thing, in their invasion of Greece they had Scythian cavalery in their troops
      It also remarkeble that at the Temple of Aphia Paris was depicted as a Scythian archer.

    • @GeeBarone
      @GeeBarone Před 2 lety +5

      How do we take the association of heracles with a bow, or Odysseus and his test of strength with his bow?

    • @AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov
      @AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov Před rokem +1

      @@GeeBarone yeah but they were used in practical settings: when they couldn't just walk over to something and beat it with a club or whatever like the Stymphalian birds or Helios

  • @ungurmikael
    @ungurmikael Před 7 měsíci +8

    I'm amazed that of all the things to talk about in the Troy film he chose to talk about chariots

    • @SaltyChickenDip
      @SaltyChickenDip Před 19 dny

      Also he was wrong about it. "Uber for aristocrats" was a common use for chariots

  • @wyvern723
    @wyvern723 Před 2 lety +29

    Well, at least Xena/Heracles didn't depicted Hades as a devil. That's more accurate than a lot of Greek myth media.

  • @frankjennings4489
    @frankjennings4489 Před 2 lety +27

    Of course the chariots were a callback to ancient warfare in Anatolia. That's not a maybe. Troy was in Anatolia and the Iliad was set in the bronze age when chariot warfare was the defining feature of battles in the Near East. I'm sure this guy knows that, probably just slipped his mind.

    • @ahriman935
      @ahriman935 Před 2 lety +5

      He clearly said that they should either have used only infantry or made it an all chariot fight, which is exactly on point.
      I think what he meant was to explain why the movie writers at all bothered with throwing a chariot here and there.

    • @frankjennings4489
      @frankjennings4489 Před 2 lety

      @@ahriman935 That would all be true. I just thought it was funny the way he said "Maybe this is calling back to x". It would be like watching Ford v Ferrari, and saying, "You know, I think this scene right here might be calling back to the feud between Ford and Ferrari in the sixties", as if it's that's not already obvious, especially for someone like him. I don't blame him though. Nobody's going to do an off-the-cuff commentary like this and execute it perfectly.

    • @SaltyChickenDip
      @SaltyChickenDip Před 19 dny +10

      ​@@ahriman935the guy was wrong about chariots. They were used like "Uber for aristocrats" in history. Like he was complaining about. He's a drama professor not a historian. And not military related.

  • @valerashan6050
    @valerashan6050 Před 2 lety +497

    I'm glad Peter could come back for part 2. I hope part 3 isn't too far away.

    • @Mobik_
      @Mobik_ Před 27 dny +32

      Hopefully never in his entire life

    • @TommyMclean-fv5cy
      @TommyMclean-fv5cy Před 26 dny +26

      I cant wait to here about how everyone in the ancient world was actually homosexual and how black people actually secretly invented everything lmao

    • @BinaryMekhanika
      @BinaryMekhanika Před 25 dny +15

      Come back? Did he go to wakanda?

    • @FrostbiteDigital
      @FrostbiteDigital Před 19 dny

      By all means, enjoy your white guilt ridden professor

  • @beestings22
    @beestings22 Před rokem +140

    I’d love to see his reaction to the actual Percy Jackson books if he ever read them, I think they do an even better adaptation of the concepts and themes of the myths than the movies ever did

  • @dylantennant6594
    @dylantennant6594 Před 2 lety +106

    Little off topic, but I find it very interesting how their is kind of a dichotomy between Greek and Hindu heroism. In Hindu mythology, the bow is kind of the greatest weapon. The main characters of the two major Hindu epics, Rama (The Raymana) and Arjuna (The Mahabharata), both use bows as their main weapons. The Raymana even goes into great detail describing the very real strength it takes to string a bow.
    It makes me wonder how Alexander’s men and the people of the Hindu-kush reacted to each others cultures just by their heroes.

    • @h.mansari8802
      @h.mansari8802 Před 2 lety +5

      Makes sense then tha of all the Greek imports, the Indians took most to Heracles, who is a master of the bow. I N T E R E S T I N G

    • @cv4809
      @cv4809 Před 2 lety +2

      @@h.mansari8802 since bow is one of the most generic and widespread weapons, it really isn't that jnteresting

    • @h.mansari8802
      @h.mansari8802 Před 2 lety +1

      @@cv4809 The bow is about as ubiquitous as a sword or axe, and yet stories and myths about both are still very interesting.

    • @bartonbella3131
      @bartonbella3131 Před rokem +3

      I can't remember which channel it was on but there was a great comparison between Indian Theology and Christian Theology. I mean really compelling. Personally I've always felt time was cyclical maybe more of a loop roller coaster, UP and Down, Round and Round lol

    • @AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov
      @AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov Před rokem

      Sorry, a little off-topic but did Ashoka, the ancient Indian king supposedly have immortal soldiers who could also conjure giant flying "cities" or saucers?

  • @semikolondev
    @semikolondev Před 20 dny +28

    This is supposed to an Expert? Is this your fokin Education in NA?...this is insane. Pure revisionism and cherry picking information.

  • @everythingisawesome23
    @everythingisawesome23 Před 2 lety +131

    When i saw the percy jackson movie sea of monsters, i tot he was gonna rip this movie to shreds( due to how inaccurate and horrible it was). However he kinda gave a new perspective on the stories. Really enjoy this episode.good job

    • @tadious9415
      @tadious9415 Před 2 lety +28

      Yeah I'm glad he mentioned the books since they did a far better job of showing love for the original myths while not being loyal to them still pulling a lot of those elements.

    • @nathanielwilcox4947
      @nathanielwilcox4947 Před 2 lety +6

      He said they are not accurate to the myths, which is kind of untrue they mention the myths all the time Herakles fough this, and killed it this way, Odysseus ran into this and had to do this to get out of it. I think it could be argued they are quite accurate.

    • @tadious9415
      @tadious9415 Před 2 lety +11

      @@nathanielwilcox4947 Yeah that's true it is telling its own stories that are similar to the myths but different while being accurate to the original myths as things that happened in world history.

    • @itslilyquinn
      @itslilyquinn Před rokem +4

      We don't really talk about the Peter Johnson movies. They didn't follow the plot of the book well, or get the personalities of the characters right either.
      The Percy Jackson books are meant to retell myths a bit to fit a more modern standpoint.

    • @AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov
      @AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov Před rokem

      @@itslilyquinn AAnd pg as well, making the gods a little more decent than how they are portrayed in the myths and also giving demigod children to Athenea and Hades which is not at all accurate to these characters and in fact ruins there personalities: Hades , despite being the god of the Underworld was faithful to his wife Persephone and Athena is suppose to be a virgin; yeah, I know: the books give a crappy explanation to how it works Parrell with the Athena birth story (which doesnt make sense actually because Athena wasnt a virgin birth: her mother was Metis whom Zeus eatan to avoid a prophecy) but still

  • @seriliaykilel
    @seriliaykilel Před 2 lety +8

    He cracked me up with Xena- 100% inaccurate but also fantastic

  • @abhinavbhattarai4714
    @abhinavbhattarai4714 Před 2 lety +65

    This man found something actually positive about the PJO movies, ya love to see it.

  • @bacul165
    @bacul165 Před rokem +4

    I'll forever be grateful to Xena and Hercules... In my final exam for my classics degree we got a Seneca play nobody had prepared for. Task included the question of later adaptations... And these series were enough to get me through! Apparently this prof isn't the only one who's got a soft spot for them.

  • @lordabdul
    @lordabdul Před 2 lety +190

    Professor Meineck's review of Xena Warrior Princess is absolutely perfect.

    • @jessieGreyJedi
      @jessieGreyJedi Před rokem +2

      right

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Před 11 měsíci +4

      Like Disney's Hercules or Jason and the Argonauts it's not remotely accurate and very silly but it's so much fun.

    • @bigp6065
      @bigp6065 Před 20 dny +7

      absolutely not!

  • @ashalenarua8452
    @ashalenarua8452 Před 2 lety +7

    Side note: in Percy Jackson her name is Thalia, not Talia. The subtitles got that wrong.

    • @brennerc180
      @brennerc180 Před 2 lety

      Isn’t that pronounced Talia, rather like Anthony is pronounced Antony? Or is the “th” sound in her name actually pronounced?

    • @gurlllwut3555
      @gurlllwut3555 Před 2 lety +1

      well they pronounced it wrong so it's not the fault of whoever did the subtitling

  • @CMAlongi
    @CMAlongi Před 2 lety +5

    "I have no idea what that was, but it was fantastic."
    Me with all of mythology.

  • @PatriciaHoferMsPattiMarc
    @PatriciaHoferMsPattiMarc Před 2 lety +3

    Jason and the Argonauts will forever be one of my favourite movies! It scared the living daylights out of me when I was younger but I love it!

  • @vamsterr
    @vamsterr Před rokem +48

    I want a 2 hour per session series with this amazing man! All Day I could listen to him talk about mythology! Amazing speaker! I love the view of modern takes on ancient myths and that it's about the story and not about being supposedly accurate to some original version. Thanks for getting such an amazing person on the show!

  • @snbks4ever
    @snbks4ever Před 2 lety +89

    Well nothing wrong with learning that I've pronounced Hydra wrong my whole life. Great video, more of this please

    • @ASMRDevourer
      @ASMRDevourer Před 2 lety +3

      @@abby5533 minor tower

    • @sarammauricio
      @sarammauricio Před 2 lety +18

      @@abby5533 I have good news to you: you haven't been pronouncing it wrong - both ways are correct!

    • @sarammauricio
      @sarammauricio Před 2 lety +24

      @Sean Brooks I mean, 'High-dra' is the correct English pronunciation, according to the OED. I believe Professor Meineck is just pronouncing it closer to the way the Greeks (and Romans, for that matter) would have said it.

    • @VitriolicThunder
      @VitriolicThunder Před 27 dny +2

      @@sarammauricio In Koine Greek, yes, but in the Classical and Homeric Greek it would be closer to Heu-dra.
      Polymathy has a great video about it.

    • @MellonVegan
      @MellonVegan Před 19 dny

      @@VitriolicThunder Actually, it should be pronounced like the letter Ü in some languages bc the word hydra literally begins with the Greek equivalent of that letter. Definitely not a diphthong

  • @SinLord101
    @SinLord101 Před 2 lety +80

    Xena the Warrior Princess was indeed fantastic

    • @Ronariverah
      @Ronariverah Před 2 lety +9

      Xena is based on discovered scrolls written by some man called Gabrielle.

    • @jessieGreyJedi
      @jessieGreyJedi Před rokem +1

      i am a xenite

  • @brightphoebus
    @brightphoebus Před 2 lety +64

    Xena's a great show with many mythological stories/references. Often campy, but also frequently deep and moving. Usually not as cheap looking as this clip. Great for pagans.

    • @Gabryal77
      @Gabryal77 Před 10 měsíci +1

      to bad Sorbo is sometimes in it. He's one of the worst actors in the history of film

    • @brightphoebus
      @brightphoebus Před 10 měsíci

      @@Gabryal77 Oh. I don't know why you you say that. I enjoy his appearances. I have the episodes of Hercules where Xena's character was introduced. I find Iolas a bit irritating, but now and then you get some of the grist of his character as well. I guess Sorbo just grates on you for personal reasons. We all have those!

  • @ItsEricaBeyetch
    @ItsEricaBeyetch Před 2 lety +13

    Why wouldn't they show a relevant scene of Xena? Like when Hades or Aphrodite or minotaur was depicted?

    • @sarat.1744
      @sarat.1744 Před 2 lety +6

      Agreed. Or Ares or Athena. But hey, at least he said Xena was fantastic anyway. ✌

  • @chaitanyaraj8700
    @chaitanyaraj8700 Před 2 lety +101

    I am so glad there is a part 2 now. Incredibly informative.

  • @isaurak6693
    @isaurak6693 Před 2 lety +5

    I remember I used to be really into Greek and Roman mythology, so interesting

  • @B-A-L
    @B-A-L Před 2 lety +32

    Jason and the Argonauts is still the best Ancient Greek Myth movie ever made and the pinnacle of stop go motion thanks to the genius of Ray Harryhausen and it is still way better than the terrible remake of Clash of the Titans that proves CGI will never be better than proper special effects! Talos still sends shivers down my spine every time I watch the movie and those living skeletons are a masterpiece in stop go animation!

    • @derhak727
      @derhak727 Před 2 lety +3

      Lets not forget the original clash of the titans with stop motion. I think i watched that everyday of my childhood

    • @B-A-L
      @B-A-L Před 2 lety +3

      @@derhak727 Oh I didn't forget it but I don't think it was quite as good as Jason was. If I remember correctly it was also the last movie Ray Harryhausen ever worked on.

    • @leapintothewild
      @leapintothewild Před 2 lety +3

      I grew up watching the Sinbad movies in the 70s, wore out a VHS set of his movies, just freaking love Harryhausen!! Can't stand horror and gore, but give me a creepy rowing minotaur or a skeleton soldier any day.

  • @samliedtke
    @samliedtke Před 2 lety +4

    THANK YOU for the first segment; so many people still believe Atlantis was real when it was clearly an allegorical storytelling device created by Plato.

    • @Sevren_
      @Sevren_ Před 2 lety

      @@chillfollins Plato specifically gave the location of Atlantis. It’s not real, spoilers. If you reach hard enough you can make any point ig

  • @TheAbstruseOne
    @TheAbstruseOne Před 2 lety +116

    "Myths are the most relevant things because facts can be debated, interpreted, and argued over. But if you tell a story...you're trying to communicate something important to that person." I'm just going to assume that Professor Meineck has never been on the internet a day in his life if he thinks people don't argue over the meaning behind stories.

    • @rootkite
      @rootkite Před 2 lety +8

      He's also missing the point that he himself is telling the common story that "Atlantis [or something like it] wasn't real" -- despite probably not giving ancient sources credence or searching every cubic km of the Atlantic Ocean to prove said story. The professor's knowledge and analysis are top notch, but he also clearly feels quite alright about claiming something about prehistory that cannot at present be disproven. Not surprising, but it's still a slightly depressing attitude. In my mind, a good scientist is always agnostic about the seemingly impossible or improbable.

    • @TheAbstruseOne
      @TheAbstruseOne Před 2 lety +31

      @@rootkite The "ancient source" was a second-hand account of a story Socrates claims he heard at a dinner party as written by Plato which was an allegory for the ethics of a society and culture that wasn't meant to be taken literally in the first place. While we have not searched every single cubic kilometer of the Atlantic Ocean, we have mapped enough of the ocean to know there was not a sunken city-state the size of Texas hiding down there. There is not and never was an Atlantis.
      Also, aliens did not build anything on Earth, orichalcum was either misidentified bronze or platinum, and the Bermuda Triangle only has a bunch of plane crashes and shipwrecks because it's a high traffic area so of course it has more accidents than other places.

    • @rootkite
      @rootkite Před 2 lety +2

      @@TheAbstruseOne Thanks for the reply. I recognize that you have also already made up your mind, and I respect that :) I guess I personally feel that I don't know enough about prehistoric civilizations or modern investigative methods to relinquish my doubt, so I feel obliged to give all takes a chance, including but not limited to the official one. This thought process of mine isn't limited to seemingly paranormal or invented topics. If I believe in anything related to this reasoning as such, it's that we have very likely forgotten a great deal about our past as a species.

    • @TheAbstruseOne
      @TheAbstruseOne Před 2 lety +13

      @@rootkite So you say *I* have already made up my mind while at the same time admitting that you "don't know enough" yet refute the conclusion of every single non-tinfoil-hat-wearing expert in the field?

    • @rootkite
      @rootkite Před 2 lety +3

      @@TheAbstruseOne Sure :) I haven't refuted anything or even tried to, and I'm not here to argue, and I'm not trying to sell you anything. All I'm saying is I find open-mindedness important (but that the brain shouldn't fall out either, as Sagan put it). Maybe I didn't like the professor's turn of phrase in this video, that's all; it isn't hard to tack on an "as far as we know" to the end of a sentence. But I immediately regret replying at all :D All the best.

  • @GravesLilDarkAngel
    @GravesLilDarkAngel Před 2 lety +3

    So stoked just to see one of childhood favorites, Jason and th Argonauts get a decent reply.

  • @G0DLIKE92
    @G0DLIKE92 Před 2 lety +66

    I don’t care how much crap Troy gets it’s still one of my favorites! I still watch it 2-3 times a year. Brad Pitt as Achilles, Eric Bana as Hector, Brian Cox, Brendan Gleeson, everyone is perfectly casted imo. I wish that Sean Bean could’ve had a sequel for the Odyssey directed by Wolfgang again. I can dream lol

    • @stephencooper7459
      @stephencooper7459 Před 2 lety +3

      That's a good shout that. He's maybe bit old now but a younger bean would have perfect. 👍

    • @xtxpxhx
      @xtxpxhx Před 2 lety +6

      even Orlando Bloom as Paris.. he's perfect for it

    • @JamesRDavenport
      @JamesRDavenport Před 2 lety +3

      When I first heard about Troy way back when, I thought "this sounds like a fan dream or Producer's Chair game movie pitch."
      Yet, it actually happened. And it was everything we thought it would be. The last of the Sword'n'Sandal Hollywood epics.

    • @stephencooper7459
      @stephencooper7459 Před 2 lety +1

      @@JamesRDavenport they did find evidence for it that's true. . interesting doc I watched years ago on ☺️

    • @BarryHart-xo1oy
      @BarryHart-xo1oy Před 6 měsíci +1

      I know what you mean-“Troy” is a lovely and moving film.

  • @hekatenone3234
    @hekatenone3234 Před 2 lety +6

    really weird at the end where he kept talking about a 'percy jackson movie'? and the space where they were supposedly showing the scene was just empty?
    (also, yes, totally agree that PJ's take on the myths not being entirely accurate is often kind of point. they go through the motions and history repeats itself, but at the same time the setting has changed so much that it can't be identical)

    • @nathanielwilcox4947
      @nathanielwilcox4947 Před 2 lety +1

      What movies? While the setting is diffrent osvioysly they reference the myths a lot. Annabeth give Percy (and us the audience), contexts to the myths: oh hey Herakles fought the Stymphalion birds and defeated them witth brass bells that sort of thing. While the setting changes thry still give atleast a decent t understanding of Greek Mythology.

  • @yeskimkim
    @yeskimkim Před 2 lety +5

    The difference between myths and religion is only that someone believes it or not.

    • @juttamaier2111
      @juttamaier2111 Před rokem +1

      I was thinking the same thing. Someone took those jewish myths too literally

  • @ravenmills-prouduscitizenm9609

    What got me in the movie Troy, where the appaloosas used in some scenes 😂

  • @Car_Fanatic
    @Car_Fanatic Před 2 lety +44

    PETER WELCOME BACK YAY WE LOVE YOU💜. THANKS VANITY FOR BRINGING HIM BACK

    • @Car_Fanatic
      @Car_Fanatic Před 2 lety +1

      It's funny superman Henry C is so small muscle in this movie

  • @viriane
    @viriane Před 2 lety +151

    Would be really keen to see Peter explain some Greek based video games. Assassins Creed Odyssey would be so cool since Kassandra’s story is a nice interpretation of demi gods. She’s a descendent of Leonidas and the powers you can unlock for her are very godlike. One quest even has a battle royal theme to it which is super intriguing. There’s also great expansions based on Persia and Atlantis. Also includes lots about Sparta and Athens in the main story line. And really interesting quests fighting Medusa, the Minotaur etc… I loved playing it!! Greek video games would be great for Peter to dig deeper into. I am so here for all the Greek mythology videos btw 🙌🏽

    • @griffionwyvrus9063
      @griffionwyvrus9063 Před 2 lety +4

      This is why I love the Fate Franchise, though warning they mostly genderbent some famous characters. But some facts are actually fascinating, like the connection between the Greek Mythology and the Arthurian Legend because of the Trojan War and the Roman Empire, and the Leonidas being the descendant of the Great Hero Heracles who himself is a descendant of Perseusm

    • @B-A-L
      @B-A-L Před 2 lety +3

      I'd like Peter to explain why there is even a female Spartan warrior in AC Odyssey in the first place!

    • @bytefu
      @bytefu Před 2 lety +2

      "Hades" is great too.

    • @FrostbiteDigital
      @FrostbiteDigital Před 19 dny +4

      I hope you realize this professor is completely wrong on almost every topic he covers. Metatron destroyed this dude

    • @Drako9823
      @Drako9823 Před 19 dny +3

      I would really love to see Peter take an actual mythology and reading class first.

  • @meganhanrath376
    @meganhanrath376 Před rokem +1

    I need "that was very strange and I have lots of feeling about it" on a t-shirt. Stat.

  • @jaymontealegre143
    @jaymontealegre143 Před 2 lety +59

    Mythology Expert: A Hydra (Heedra) is a many headed creature that is associated with water.
    I, who’s been pronouncing it as “Hi-dra”: my whole life was a lie?

    • @estherowl8075
      @estherowl8075 Před 2 lety +3

      yeah it's kinda heuuudra if you look at the Greek

    • @rubyb7252
      @rubyb7252 Před 2 lety +5

      this entire time just listening to him properly pronounce the names and I'm like lol so that's how you say it😝😂

    • @PeloquinDavid
      @PeloquinDavid Před 2 lety +10

      English vowels have been a bit weird for a good number of centuries now (even compared to other Germanic languages). "EE-dra" is pretty much the classic Latinate pronunciation (i.e. how Romance languages pronounce it, more or less) and even modern Greek doesn't use the aspirated "h" - and hasn't for the better part of two millennia.
      Most people just pronounce the word in the conventional way of the language they speak today. Anything else just sounds a bit... well, pretentious?

    • @dimissgiaz5619
      @dimissgiaz5619 Před 2 lety +3

      in greek its pronounced eedra

    • @liamwashington6841
      @liamwashington6841 Před 2 lety +1

      In classical Greek it's closer to Hoo-dra

  • @mushfiquefahim141
    @mushfiquefahim141 Před 2 lety +31

    I don't know why people need to pretend that Troy isn't a fantastic, thoroughly enjoyable film.

    • @Mastur_Bateman
      @Mastur_Bateman Před 2 lety +1

      Mythology snobs who enjoy heavily fantasized depictions I would presume? ... I believe that "Troy" turns a relatively boring book into an engaging film.

  • @chaneygolden3278
    @chaneygolden3278 Před 2 lety +63

    absolutely love hearing this guy’s knowledge on the subject, keep bringing him back

  • @tiyow
    @tiyow Před 2 lety +111

    MATE!! I LOVE THIS GUY, THANKS FOR HAVING HIM AGAIN

  • @everythingisawesome23
    @everythingisawesome23 Před 2 lety +3

    the guy actually praise the percy jackson movie, that is something i could nvr do

  • @25taylor91
    @25taylor91 Před měsícem +5

    11:38 this guy really say Myth are more objective than facts? Lol

  • @seriousbinch3749
    @seriousbinch3749 Před 2 lety +6

    Hit me with your trident Zaddy Peter

  • @Ifritsdotnet
    @Ifritsdotnet Před 2 lety

    Please bring this dude back i could watch hours of this

  • @Plasticplas1
    @Plasticplas1 Před rokem +1

    4:52 We studided this film as part of a classics on screen classics course. It was probably my favourite one.

  • @AdarshKumar-nj7rp
    @AdarshKumar-nj7rp Před 2 lety +4

    I think blood sacrifices were meant as a symbol of selflessness, giving up something you deeply desire for the greater good. When I say that my parents "sacrificed" for me, I meant them devoting their time and money on me over their own needs. This doesn't mean getting killed in a ceremony to impress a deity.

    • @AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov
      @AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov Před rokem

      Yeah wasn’t human sacrifice and cannibalism like, the two only actual taboos in Greek Mythology? That and human incest as well?

  • @kippesnikkel5217
    @kippesnikkel5217 Před 2 lety +8

    I think you cut Troy out way to short. Only making a thing out of chariots. What about Hector? Achilles? Even the trojans fighting with tower shields and Aeneas at the end depicting the roman myth that the trojans are their ancestors? Even Xena got more attention.

  • @gaibi387
    @gaibi387 Před 2 lety

    Peter Meineck is my ride or die, this is my bestie, I could listen to him talk for hours

  • @taniaABal
    @taniaABal Před rokem +1

    we need more of him

  • @bYAQUER
    @bYAQUER Před 2 lety +10

    I love Xena too. Also, please make a Part 3 and 4 and maybe 5,6,7,8,9,10? 🥺

  • @ashleylee2388
    @ashleylee2388 Před 2 lety +17

    I’m glad he brought up Atlantis I was blown away when I found out Plato was the only one who talks about it

  • @tomtruyens9804
    @tomtruyens9804 Před 15 dny +2

    "Mythology Expert."
    "Duels in the Iliad? How silly!"

  • @secretarmy1764
    @secretarmy1764 Před 2 měsíci +1

    “We have the myth of the American dream. What does that mean?”
    Goddamb

  • @fairdose
    @fairdose Před 2 lety +17

    Oh man! I would love to see Peter do a video discussion on just Ray Harryhausen films!

  • @PatriciaHoferMsPattiMarc
    @PatriciaHoferMsPattiMarc Před 2 lety +12

    I love that he loves Xena: Warrior Princess!!! ❤️❤️❤️

  • @davidhanson5391
    @davidhanson5391 Před 2 lety +1

    7:14 "Yeah, I have no idea what that was, but it was fantastic" lmao

  • @Lalaundercover389
    @Lalaundercover389 Před rokem

    We need part 3,4,5,6 all the way up to 10!

  • @HeSaidAFunnyGirl
    @HeSaidAFunnyGirl Před 2 lety +21

    Cannot express how much I love Peter's breakdowns of mythology!!! Would love to see another installment :)

    • @FrostbiteDigital
      @FrostbiteDigital Před 19 dny

      You should probably watch Metatron's two videos debunking this guy. You come to find out Peter doesn't know what he's talking about about

  • @darkecofreak23
    @darkecofreak23 Před 2 lety +6

    Sad that Hercules was the last good thing Kevin Sorbo did.

  • @Jeskrist5
    @Jeskrist5 Před 2 lety +1

    Xena was the bomb in the 90s. Y'all need to watch

  • @vanyadolly
    @vanyadolly Před rokem

    Xena: Warrior Princess was such an amazing show. 😂 I feel downright blessed to have grown up with it

  • @alimon89
    @alimon89 Před 2 lety +36

    Totally mind blown on the Spartan commentary. I had never realized they were an unsustainable culture.

    • @HistorysRaven
      @HistorysRaven Před 2 lety +6

      The biggest reason they became a militaristic society was due to the number of slaves in Sparta.

    • @juttamaier2111
      @juttamaier2111 Před rokem +5

      Unsustainable for 400 years...

  • @Ryanmanification
    @Ryanmanification Před 2 lety +72

    Is there a part 3? This needs a part 3

    • @charlieflickinger7372
      @charlieflickinger7372 Před rokem

      And then a part 4, 5, 6 and so on and so forth for the rest of his life. Please and thanksss!

    • @ulula_
      @ulula_ Před 27 dny +8

      Great McDonald's historian. 😅

    • @FrostbiteDigital
      @FrostbiteDigital Před 19 dny +3

      No there doesn't 🤡

  • @datboiderrty
    @datboiderrty Před 2 lety +1

    Watches xena: I have no idea what that was but that was fantastic

  • @livestreamgaming420
    @livestreamgaming420 Před 2 lety +1

    About time they cover Xena or Hercules the Legendary Journeys