The Scottish National Party & The Nazis
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- We examine the true extent of SNP ties with Nazi Germany during WWII.
Dr. Mark Felton FRHistS, FRSA, is a well-known British historian, the author of 22 non-fiction books, including bestsellers 'Zero Night' and 'Castle of the Eagles', both currently being developed into movies in Hollywood. In addition to writing, Mark also appears regularly in television documentaries around the world, including on The History Channel, Netflix, National Geographic, Quest, American Heroes Channel and RMC Decouverte. His books have formed the background to several TV and radio documentaries. More information about Mark can be found at: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fe...
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The old idea that my enemy’s enemy is my friend has got a lot of people some pretty unsavoury associations.
When is Mark going to an episode on the BFS, you know the English Nazis whose insignia included three lions on their collars and a union flag on their left sleeve. They actually fought for the Germany army. When you making episode Mark? Or does that not fit your attempted narrative? Fuckin clown.
Celtic rim still bitter about 1066 Norman conquests of how western Europe is balkanized so NATO's aggression against Eastern Europe is hypocrisy.
Scotland is a hydroelectric region critical to British aerospace
That's interesting. The pro-Nazi positions of certain British newspapers of the time are also fascinating.
Indeed - especially the Daily Mail.
@@AncientCivilizationsHQ no, the Former king was, the rest, no
@@AncientCivilizationsHQ King Edward, but he only ruled for 5 months, and everyone else hated the Nazies.
"hurrah for the blackshirts!"
@@AncientCivilizationsHQ No, they really aren't, put if you're free could you provide a definition of fascism/fascist?
Ultimately, I think that all the remaining files still classified by the British govt regarding this time period will be very interesting to read when they are finally released to the public.
Brits only release what they want. Multiple occasions they've "lost" files or held them back without explanation.
Indeed i would think so.
I think everyone in living memory of the war will be dead before the real juicy bits are released to the public.
@@garymcatear822 I wonder even then...fears of resurgence never seem to die out. Its up to the Scots, I guess.
Won’t be in our lifetime
You understand Mark, this means war.
Too war!!!!!!
apple pie is good
The pig calls us to war, and we will not be found wanting
Someone's about to get Gorgonzola'd
when the pig says war THE PIG MEANS IT!
I was a teenager in Scotland in the 1960s, and at that time there was a gibe going round about the SNP being a coalition of Jacobites and "tartan Nazis". I always assumed that latter was a reference to the visceral hatred that some of the SNP supporters showed towards anyone English, but now it appears that it was literal.
Can't wait for Labour in bed with Joseph Stalin and Tories soft on Nazis video.
Absolute nonsense. There are many SNP MPs, MSPs, cllrs who are English, and many English people living in Scotland vote for the SNP.
@@ggagg123 It may well be as you say - NOW. In the mid 1960s, however, the SNP was a fringe grouplet. They had never elected a single MP, and even after Mrs. Winifred Ewing won the Hamilton By-election in 1967, she was unable to hold the seat at the next general election.
They used to be cool, yes, not anymore
@@ggagg123 Yes, and they're fools for doing so.
This sheds a lot more light on the business of Rudolf Hess flight to Scotland in 1941 in the ME110.
I was going to say the same.
Or perhaps he would not be SHOT out of hand like he would have been in England.
He was reportedly coming to see the Duke of Hamilton, hardly a Scottish nationalist.
@@scottyfive4319 : Why would you presume such a thing?
@@grahamleiper1538 Why Scotland though?
From Fascists to Communists. They're a versatile lot
Fascinating piece of history. Well done. Amazing the wondrous spins that previous 'leaders' can reveal of what now is argued as reasonable concessions.
Is Douglas Young trying to calm the crowd by an attempt to resemble Abraham Lincoln?
Not sure about English or Scottish trends in the 1940's but here in the US beards were practically nonexistent, especially in "high society" such as politics.
@@ianhall6614 My observation is that the US political elite is super conservative as regards style , despite often being super “progressive” in ideology
I love the idea that when the English were conquered the Nazi’s would have just stopped at the boarder and said yep ‘Scotland is independent’
In his Sword of Honour trilogy Evelyn Waugh's protagonist, Guy Crouchback, is stationed on a Scottish isle where the local laird's wife is a fervent nationalist and fan of Hitler. She distributes pamphlets urging Scots to welcome the German invaders as liberators. I am sure this is where Waugh got his material.
I'd forgotten that. I'll have to re-read it. Thank you
The character Miss Carmichael is written with great comic effect and she and her views are presented as crackpot.
Nonsense!
@@thomasmoore5949 How so?
Was it the laird’s wife or daughter? Funny in any case
For the first few years of Nazi control of Germany many people marvelled at what appeared to have been economic miracles in so short a time. Many thought a similar regime could do the same for them and this was not confined to Scotland, people, some with power and influence in other countries were also taken in. It was not until right up to the start of war that many of these people finally had to face the truth, and some did not even then.
If you were out of work and starving like millions of British in the 1930s, and look at Germany building autobhans what would you do.
That's what happened in Austria they were out of work, and looked over the border at Germany all working, so welcomed them when attacked.
You do realise the nazi done great things for their people.. that’s not what made them evil.. the British government after the war was a socialist government nationalising gas petrol steel exc.
What was the truth? That the German economy wasn't what was portrayed? I'm just wondering because of the way you wrote your comment.
They got rid of the bankers and thrived
Lmao. They appointed Hjamar Schacht, A banker extraordinaire, to head their economic policy. They were no different at all from the Western capitalist nations economically.
Great find Dr Felton. Thanks for sharing1
'a chicken farmer' well, we all knew where this was going
Yeah, apparently bird flu makes them all Nazi's....
What is it about poultry??‽
@@atomicshadowman9143 Heinrich Himmler
People often forget just how sympathetic some British people could be to Nazi Germany. I’ve read a book by AP Laurie who argued that the democratic powers should ally with Nazi Germany to defeat the USSR. But also to consider if that the true extent of the crimes and atrocities of the Nazi regime weren’t fully understood. So Germany was essentially seen as just another European dictatorship helping to stop Communism.
In America one of the largest pro German groups were the Socialists/Communists. They were all in favor of the Stalin - Hitler alliance. Right up until Operation Barbarossa kicked off. Then suddenly the pro German pamphlets and posters disappeared from all their offices and meeting places. Along with a denial they were ever there.
Nazi Germany and USSR nearly teamed up apparently but Stalin wasn't giving enough of the Balkans away and talks fizzled out. And although Hitler wanted to rid socialism of Marxism, Marx himself initially thought the real revolution would come from the West via Germany as the USSR could only take things so far... But the one that blew my mind recently was finding out how close Oswald Mosley and John Maynard Keynes were. So close to their political and economic beliefs that Mosley was described as being more Keynesian than Keynes himself. Or something to that regard... anyway, fun facts!
@@LisbonLion7 Don't know where you got that "teamed up thing", Nazism was supported by powerful financial interests both inside and outside the Country to prevent Germany becoming Communist and dismantle the Soviet state from where it was being propagated. The casualties and atrocities that resulted from that were conveniently ignored. However, the cauldron of hatred that it stirred up, only served to result in its own demise, as instead of that tyrannical state collapsing (Hitler's rotten door speech) the Russian people surprisingly fought back against hatred focussed upon them directly, with millions dying in the process.
@@PopularesVox Probably a bad choice of words from me referring to the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact.
People forget Hitler was initialy pro Brit. Thousands of German troops on the table plus support for the R.N. to guarentee The Empire,which he admired. Churchill did not trust him however.
Always enjoy a good Quisling reference. Cheers, Mark.
Loads of Quisling in British politics today.
Not enough rope or lamp posts in the whole of Westminster.
Perhaps a story on Klaus Barbie interrogating Che Guevara before his execution in Bolivia.
Specifically how Barbie was interrogated by the British, released on a certain British government recommendation and later pressed into service for the CIA which ultimately lead to the Che meeting.
I found the caption on the screen with Hitler and Quisling, saying “Vidkun Quisling and ‘friend’”, to be rather amusing. Thank you for another very good video Mark, I can’t get the image of kilts and lederhosen out of my mind.
There's a lot similar between Hitler's Germany and the SNP particularly there total control of the police, legal system and media
The violence towards any opposition by there supporter's towards any opposition and there financial and moral corruption
something for the wank bank lol
Would you like the image of Nazi salutes and the English queen in your mind? Or the Nazi Salute and the ENTIRE ENGLISH NATIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM DOING IT in your mind?
@@krackerman3628 Or all those images - hundreds of them - of all those men, women and children in the USA giving similar salutes [one of the origins of the Nazi salute came from the USA] in class and on the streets as they saluted their flag every day. And if you mean the photo of a very young Elizabeth that I think you mean she could just as easily be pointing at something in the sky
@@ABC1701A LOL dream on - England loved the Nazis until they signed a deal with the Soviet union :D
Very interesting and informative. Thanks Mark.
Interesting but full of myths sadly.
@@ggagg123 myths and not one piece of evidence, I mean the mam walked free with no ecmvidence to charge and instead of noting this he makes up some BS about them not wanting the nazis to know MI5 were onto them...
No it's like all of Marks stuff.. BS and biased nonsense
@@krackerman3628 You claim it because you don't like what he says... but he has a PhD, is a member of several historian societies and has received prestigious awards for his work.
Everything Felton stated is accurate... apart from how much support the SNP actually have in elections.
By proportion of the actual size of the electorate, they never get more than 34 percent at best (look it up; ONS has every election result since before the SNATS even existed).
Through low voter turnouts, these fringe nutters win by default.
By contrast prior to the '70's when voter turnout started falling, they never won a single seat.
Moral of the story: compulsory voting is a very good idea.
(at least if polling day is also made a national holiday, and schools actually taught how important voting really is)
Scottish writer CJ Sansom makes a great essay about this in the foreword to his alt-history book 'Dominion'.
This video makes sense of what my grandfather and dad said many years ago.
Our Wullie and The Broons were always suspect....
It was created by an Englishman Dudley Watkins.
😅😅
Hello , a very thoughtful and sensible input !! 😂
Hen Broon does look like a thinner taller brother of a certain Nazi dictator.
Hahahahaha
Don’t forget Cowan’s toffee, designed to destroy the will to fight invasion through loss of teeth and the resulting pain!
I’m a proud half Jock btw!
Wasn’t Hitler named man of the year by time magazine?
Yes, but the award is for most notable or influential person as opposed to greatest.
He believe it or not was nominated for a Nobel peace prize.😳
@@lablackzed he should have won it
and time said it wasn't based on hitlers good deeds.
1936?
I think these characters were very much in the minority in the late 1930s and 1940s. I've just read a book on the Black Watch and the Highland Division during WW2. They fought the Nazis with amazing courage and at tremendous cost throughout the war, even taking the credit for capturing Himmler. I don't remember any of the soldier's first-hand accounts expressing admiration for Hitler.
Correct....dont judge us all by the disgusting behaviour of the snp
The Scots who wanted separation from the UK were in the minority. Those who wanted full independence, rather than Dominion status within the Empire, were a minority of that minority. Of the rump
left those who would go as far as to cooperate with the Nazis would smaller still (especially after the Clyde bank Blitz). Many nationalists, for example the future SNP leader William Wolfe, fought the Nazis in WW2.
@@StruanRobertson29
“…don’t judge us all…”
Well hang on. Shouldn’t that also apply to Scottish nationalist who are avowedly not nazi sympathisers?
For example SNP leader Billy Wolfe served in the British Army in WW2 and fought against the Nazis.
@@StruanRobertson29always one gammon
@@StruanRobertson29 Correct, don't judge us all by the occasional lunatic who happened to lead a then fringe party. Also, don't judge us by the cringing, crawling Quisling British-Nationalist Scots, who enjoy the taste of a nice Tory @r$e on their tongues.
Timing of this release is rather interesting, sir.
As usual a well researched piece. Always interesting from Mark Felton
"That's for sure."
Thank you for covering this.
Fascinating, Dr. Felton! Thank you for always sharing your incredible videos with us.
Could you make a video on Moseley and the Mitford sisters?
Another cracking episode. This channel makes yoochoob worth putting up with.
The details may have been hidden to the general public but the sympathies of the SNP were well known at the time as Evelyn Waugh makes clear in his novel "Men at Arms".
What about the extreme pro-nazi stance of the Duke of Windsor (formerly Edward VIII) and his floozy?
He even had an agreement with Hitler that he would be reinstated as King once Germany occupied Britain.
Shh, this is all about SNP Bad.
Timing is everything...
Yes, today of all days. Nothing suspicious there 😂
Bloody hell Mark. Well done.
😂
The saying ”the enemy of my enemy is my friend” plays out for the 364782628484827th time
Looking forward to your video on the wide spread links between the Conservative Party and the British royal family and the Nazi party
Doesn't fit with the narrative, mate
An interesting day to release this.
Is this part of a series on British politicians being cozy with Nazis? Would probably be a long series and fit well alongside some of the previous videos on King Edward VIII and Lord Halifax
That would be a very very long list if you open it up to the rest of the wwii allies.
Especially before the war / genocide there were allot of people enamoured with them.
Yes quite a number in our establishment as my parents reminded me as they worked within that class. A few still not mentioned now as their present members wouldn't want made public. I leave Dr Felton do his detective work instead.
@@dzzope Yes, there were, and in the context of the Great Depression and on the surface, it was even understandable initially. Not only political leaders were enamored of the Nazis. Renowned aviator Charles Lindbergh, for instance, was very impressed with them, and only seems to have changed his view after Pearl Harbor was attacked...and then was engaged in helping the USA defeat Japan, even flying combat missions several times in the Pacific theatre.
The late Lord Stamp, chairman of the London, Midland & Scottish Railway, was another such. When the war started however, he famously said he would never voluntarily leave his house in London, and Hitler would have to blow him out. One of Goerring's bomber crews must have taken him at his word - they did just that one night.
The obvious ones are Archibald Maule Ramsay and Oswald Moseley. They actually did get locked up.
Duke of Windsor was sent to the Bahamas.
Worth pointing out that Eric "Winkle" Brown, the legendary test pilot, and a fellow Leither, was a great admirer of Germany, and the achievements of the Nazis, *pre-war*, especially in aviation. Indeed, he was in Germany when war was declared, but was permitted to leave. He went on to shoot a great many down, and assisted in interrogating many after the fall of the Reich in 1944. Several of the hard-core Nazis he described as despicable. I doubt many with any sense would place him under suspicion of fascism..
He was permitted to leave but they didn't make it easy for him. He so resented how they treated him that he said he was very motivated to fight them. Like many he suddenly saw what they really were. A cautionary tale we should take to heart. It's all too easy to go down that road.
This is absolutely fascinating!
In Paisley's Museum there's 2 signed THANK YOU greetings card's from Hitler to the city thanking them for their birthday wishes to him....one's from 1943!?😳🙄
Must go and see that.
Paisley folk, they’re mental 😂
@@steveblog1 strange considering we were at war 4 year's by then....and they've got quite a collection of Third Reich🏅memorabilia too!!😉🏴🤔
Hitler used to cut about Shortroods drinking white lightening
@@larrydavid6852 You’d have thought he was more of a Mad Dog guy 😂
Card from Adolf, ... oooh 'e caused the death of millions, shame.
Card from queen Victoria, oooh int that nice.
Keep rocking it Mark. Amazing work Sir!
Well done Mark, great research buddy.
What research ? All his resource links are to tabloids stories
@@teslar1 yeah, it's amazing the 'smoking gun' Unionists can help us discover when they have the energy for it
Cool vid. Reminds me of the story about Plaid Cymru having a meeting and raising a 1930's German flag.
And the mad scramble to take it down.
I met a member of the Action Party in Cheshire in 1973. He was quite proud.
Best history channel of all time!
He's TRIBE and doesn't hesitate to alter facts or embellish
@yfelwulf why do make allegations against someone without evidence?
@@Ghost-up8ed pretty ironic comment after watching this vid🤣
@garymckay7669 your subscribed to vice and the young turks get out of here. 😂
@@yfelwulf you have to be a Russian troll if not respond lets see ?
Extremely valuable reporting of these little known facts - thank you.
100% effective I'd say 1:26:00
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I love this sort of stuff. It brings the era to vivid life. Brings out so much more nuance and colour.
Fascism was a popular ideology in Britain, US, Canada, and Australia prior to 1939. Even King Edward was reportedly a fan.
This popularity faded as the true nature of German fascism become evident, however, it is, a system of government that still has fascination for some of an authoritarian bent.
I have been in the US for 17 years. Here, it is legal to don a SS uniform and march through Jewish areas at night with flaming torches. The Constitution has been totally corrupted and was never meant to work like this... It is also legal to get in the face of a Police officer and, carrying a video camera, call then a stream of obscenities (1st amendment they claim)
This popularity faded as geopolitics made it unpopular*
Germany was National Socialist not Fascist.
I think King Edward may have been more than just a fan - why d'you think he was winkled out of France so smartly before it collapsed? Problem was, as the film said, a lot of people in this country rather liked the idea of a strong, rearmed Germany - as a safety buffer against the Russians. This was the problem, together with the all too real genuine fear of another world war. Appeasement, sadly, didn't work. Chamberlaine thankfully realised the danger just in time.
@@daringdare5078 National Socialism is a specific German brand of Fascism. Similar to how Maoism is Chinese Communism
Well done for bringing this to light Dr Felton!
100% effective I'd say 1:26:00
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I wonder if Rudolf Hess flew to Scotland to meet Harry Lauder?
They are both Scottish things I have heard of. There must be a connection.
Very interesting as always
👍Thanks for posting. Coincidentally, Heinrich Himmler was also a chicken farmer for a brief period prior to WW2.
@@askhams
Juan Pujol Garcia. WW2 spy Agent Arabel to the Germans and then Agent Garbo to the British - also a former chicken farmer.
@@askhams (Said in a comical thick German accent) "Zere ain't nobody here, but uz chickenz!"
Explains his fowl propaganda.
Always educational and entertaining, Mark!
Can you tell us about Soviet infiltration of UK government before, during and after WW2? We know of Cambridge 5 but there was more to that story.
In those 1930s turbulent times, Winston Churchill gave his enthusiastic support to Franco's putsch (incidently, authorised by Hitler while at Bayreuth) blaming the communists for it, in a kind of conspiracy theory... Churchill's anti-communism led him to support pro-nazi Spain as well as many other royalist conservatives. It seems that the SNP reacted in the same way. Thank you Dr. Felton for this unexpected clip.
I don't think that Spain was 'pro-Nazi'. Any more than a hitchhiker embraces the views of the truck driver. No Franco used Hitler and Mussolini to achieve his own Fascist aims. People in Britain thoroughly disliked Franco's ideology despite their own experience with the Nazis but that did not stop them holidaying in Fascist Spain in the '60's. No, idealogues are fooled into pursuing utopian ideas; all of which are impossible. From Socialism, Nazism, etc. They have NEVER worked, man is a fallen creature and needs ally himself submissively to God to sort him out.
@@guywillson1549 that's just yet another controlling ideology, just like the others in your post.
Even Gandhi praised Hitler. Time Magazine praised Hitler. Churchill himself had good things to say about Hitler. It was the 1930s, the war and the Holocaust hadn't happened yet. Hitler had a lot of good policies at this time. The only thing bad he had done was the racism, but America and England were also racist in the 1930s. America still had White Only signs on hotels, restaurants, bathrooms, swimming pools, and other such places. When the Pentagon was built during WWII, they built 4 bathrooms at every bathroom location. Male and female, colored and white. To this day the Pentagon building has 4 bathrooms side by side at every location.
@@guywillson1549 It's not a question of opinion. Spain was pro-nazi, Franco had a picture of Hitler in his office (you can check the pictures in the internet). Himmler was officially invited to visit the country, and "cultural" events were frequently organised where all the nazi flags were at display. Perhaps you ignore that there was a "Blue Division" sent to the Russian front. It is true, though, that in the late days of the war, Franco changed his mind quite opportunistically, and after the war he turned into a highly corrupted authoritarian reactionary with soften fascist paraphernalia who gave the Church an iron-fisted control of society. It was the American pressure and the economic crisis what made Franco open the country in the 1960s. By the way, the fun fact about tourism was that one of the earliest travel agencies in Majorca was run by former SS members...
@@guywillson1549 You are completely right! Theocracy is the only option !
Interesting. Daily Mail next?
Another interesting and informative post, thank you DR.
Always intersting, thank you.
Interesting video. Can you do the royals next?
Eddie VIII will be interesting
all the Rangers fans will be voting SNP now... haha
Timing is everything, isn't it Mark?
As a Scotsman I approve of this
@@davidpurll4570 a true Red White and Blue no doubt ?
@@davidpurll4570 Another Quisling I guess.
#BitterTogether
Sorry to break it to you two, but there's no such thing as a decent political party. That includes the SNP, past, present and the future
@@johnmorrison9424 Bitter Bigot listen you may learn something.
Would love to see a video on the story of Hermann Görtz. Great work as always, your no1!
I'll second that.
I’d love to see one too.
The Donald Sutherland character in The Eagle Has Landed is based on him.
How interesting! - never knew this about the SNP
Maybe do an article on the British Royal Family and their associations with the Nazis in Germany.
would be quite short the temporary king who was essentially exiled is the only link you've got...
@fod1855 and his Sister-in-law, the late Queen Mother, which if that article had been done is one of the Royal Family's associations you'd already know about.
@@williambelford9661Not true at all. The Queen Mother was not even remotely pro nazi, in fact she was known to toast their downfall for years post war.
@fod1855 you say that despite the photo of the Duke of Windsor and the Queen Mother teaching Princesses Elizabeth & Margaret the German Bazi salute?
@@williambelford9661purely satirical, my grandfather used to do it too as a joke
Historically it was the french that the scots were happy to bring in.
Dr Felton, i was wondering if one time you could it would be interested in doing a video of the highest ranking members from each nation in the war that were captured or killed, as that i haven’t seen covered. I know at wars end most surrendered but before that point i believe it may be interesting. Thank you for another interesting video
As we learn about many people and organizations that were not strongly opposed to the Nazi's, it seems that Germany had a better chance of succeeding than many people realized. There are many "if's" but a small change here or there could have changed the entire world and many of us might not be here today. It's all extremely interesting.
@@holdfast5332
No one said it was good, just very possible different outcomes. The crazy thing is that a lot of people seem to not have been taught history or they refuse to learn from it. We are seeing too many people, especially younger people that think socialism is the way to go. Socialism leads to communism, yet they either want to be taken care of and lose freedoms or they actually think everything will be "fair". Colleges in America and some other places are institutions of indoctrination nowadays, not education.
I am constantly amazed at how this guy manages to find evermore Nazi-based themes upon which to deliver another video.
Okay, at 7:20. I was thinking Abraham Lincoln in WW2... Ears aren't big enough.
An snp member who joined in the 70s who I met at a conference during the referendum gave a talk on the history of the snp, at a youth wing event, it was held in the same room where Arthur Donaldson had resigned in the late 60s there was apparently a brawl which broke 2 windows, after a youth wing leader called Donaldson like nazi scum or something, Its a third hand story but it really brings it all home for me, I met enough snp youth members to know that they haven't changed they would still call a nazi and nazi and end with a brawl, if needs be.
Thats because the the modern SNP are now Communists.
I'm shocked that the party that wants to make it illegal for you to say things it disagrees with in private in your own home might have had Nazi sympathies.
Utter rubbish.
Does make you wonder why they had thought getting on side with an organisation that conquered a large amount of Europe in mere months was going to bring about the independence of Scotland. Maybe their definition of independence is different to mine.
Very little has changed, the current SNP policy is to get independence from the United Kingdom and then submit to the new European Reich in Brussels (A.K.A the European Union).
May I remind you that a plan to re-convene the Scottish Parliament was kicked into the long grass in 1914, due to the outbreak of WW1.
The fact that this was largely forgotten by 1918, and simply faded away post-war upset many Scots. Churchill despised the Soviet Union and Bolshevism, but during WW2 was happy to ally himself with Stalin in the face of a common enemy. The Finns sided with Germany, not out of genocidal politics, but to get revenge on a country that wanted to gobble them up.
Opinion on WW2 in Scotland was a bit more mixed than many realised; yes, Scots flocked to recruiting offices as their fathers had done, and yes, Scots played a full part in the Allied victory, but many Scots would've been in favour of neutrality had not the first attacks come on Scottish soil (a man in Orkney killed in an air-raid on Scapa Flow, Ju 88s attacking shipping in the Firth of Forth).
The sad fact is that WW2 wasn't really Scotland's war until events made it that way, so sympathy in some quarters to Germany (until the truth got out) wasn't that surprising.
There are Nazis in Scotland to this day (as there are in many other countries), thankfully few, and in 2014, they were among the most vociferous speakers against independence, and of course, we all remember the photo of a prominent Labour Politician attending a, "No," rally and posing with the Scottish Organiser of the National Front.
Yup and let's not forget the nazi salutes at a war memorial (George Square) after attacking two teenage girls for daring to hold up a Scottish flag, all done under a union flag.
Brought to mind Roderick Spode, 7th Earl of Sidcup, the leader of a fictional fascist group in London called the Saviours of Britain, also known as the Black Shorts. One of P. G. Wodehouse's many memorable characters.
Potatoes! P G Wodehouse was taking the piss out of Mosley well before the war :)
"By the time Spode formed his association, there were no shirts left" 🤣
Spode is based on Moseley and his black shirts.
I was thinking the same thing.
Every English Man has a birthright to grow his own Root Vegetables without let or hindrance from the State.
Wow! I didn’t know any of this!
@ Dr. Felton - Suggestion for another film
Have you made any videos of the Norwegian resistance (backed by the British and Norwegian exile government) about the sabotage of the Norwegian Hydro plant in Rjukan, Telemark, to stop the production of heavy water, and the following sinking of the remaining barrels of heavy water that was attempted transported out of the country to Germany? This is one of the most proud episode for Norwegians during WW2, because it was suspected that Germany had a nuclear program based on large amounts of heavy water, I think.
And I guess it must have been those behind the Tube Alloys and Manhattan Program that wanted to make sure Germany couldn't produce anything similar. Since Germany also had available Uranium in the continent of Europe.
Hes not a doctor. In any way shape or form.
That's a fact.
@@SpaceHCowboy He do have a doctoral degree in History, among other achievements, from the University in Essex.
Given Donaldson's Fascist sympathies one might have thought he would have been dropped like a stone once the horrors of said doctrine became abundantly clear after WW2, but no they elected him leader. All this illustrates is that the SNP then and now is willing to adopt any position however loathsome to obtain their aims.
Any examples of "position however loathsome" that the SNP presently hold?
Thank you Dr. Felton for your erudite covering of this topic.
He's not a doctor. A Dr of nothing, he has a degree and has been appointed a "fellow" a couple times.
He ain't a doctor in anyway shape or form.
I had no idea about any of this, and I’m from Scotland
Bravo! Excellent history many thanks!
CORRECTION REQUIRED - Churchill served with the RSF (Royal Highland Fusiliers), and not the Royal Scots.....
A further correction may change that to the 6th Royal Scots Fusiliers ...
Shows you can't fully trust this
@@chiefgilray Mark is pretty amateurish
@@chiefgilray Shocker 😂
Has anyone here read Evelyn Waugh's 'Sword of Honour' trilogy? I can't help but remember a section of it talking about a chicken farmer with Fascist leanings. Was this a subtle reference?
Can you do one of that famous image where Edward VIII teaches the young Princess Elizabeth, Princess Margaret and the Queen Mother the Nazi salute? Maybe follow up with the Duke of Windsor meeting Hitler at the Berghof and what they discussed. Thanks.
He's done several videos on the Royal Family's Nazi affiliations.
This isn't the gotcha you think it is.
Don't get defensive because the SNP have been caught out as Nazi supporters.
Very good try sir. But it doesn't fit this narrative.
@@daraorourke5798 Yes it does. It would be more accurate to show how many very important people in the UK were sympathetic to the Nazis cause in the 1930s. Even just for balance.
@@open_water2411 : Yes, indeed?! Personally, I’d also be interested to know if there were any latent or discreet members or perhaps distant kin of the ‘Bowes-Lyons” family, who were known sympathizers of either the Fascists, Nazis or the Early, proto-forms of the SNP (Scottish Nazi Party?!) in the 1920s & 30s etc., that were then placed under official, covert scrutiny, &/or who were other, similar “persons of interest” to MI5 or Scotland Yard - Special Branch or else other arms of British (Or also other Foreign Intelligence Services too?!) Intelligence etc. then??!!
The princesses were just kids doing what they were told and the Nazi salute at that time had none of the history attached to it we know now.
Could you please do a video of the Royal family & the Nazis next, as that would be more interesting
History has some interesting… Facts. Know your history. Know your roots. Good video.
as a proud Scotsman and avid hater of the SNP, it is highly pleasing to see Mark Felton covering the SNP and their pre war dealings with the nazis. the SNP still to this day have an Arthur Donaldson day at their annual party conference where the SNP cult members celebrate Donaldson.
But you are a member of the Westminster loyalist cult though, there is nothing to be proud of being someone who chose Westminster rule over Scottish rule. You are not a proud scotsman, you are deluded
An avid hater, your politics are obvious!
Another Bitter Together idiot.
@@benwilson6145 looking at recent revelations about SNP book keeping and missing funds you can perhaps now see why i hate the marxist SNP.
Excellent information. I wonder how my distant relative, Douglas Douglas-Hamilton, the Duke of Hamilton might have had connections to this party, given that Hess flew to Scotland in an attempt to meet with him.
Your distant ancestor did have connections with Germany, more specifically Prussia. There was an old military and cultural link between Scotland and Prussia, dating back to the middle ages, when, of course Scotland was at war with England. So if you were a young Scot on the make, you would head East to the Baltic in search of 'noble prospects'. This carried on till the late nineteenth - early twentieth century. A Campbell (enlisted in the Prussian army) was awarded the iron cross first class for seizing the French colours in a decisive battle of the Franco-Prussian war. Eric 'winkle' Brown, the famous test-pilot had this Prussian connection and received demonstration and instruction from Ernst Udet, the renowned WW1 German air -ace.....pre-war, of course.
“Duke of Hamilton might have had connections to this party…”
The word ‘might’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that comment.
Hess’s reasons for visiting the Duke of Hamilton are pretty well established. He thought the Duke might have some sway on the British government and convince them to begin peace negotiations.
Surely that plan would be completely undermined if the Duke of Hamilton was connected to a party that wanted to break up the UK.
Honestly I think you have just joined together two separate things that happen to involve Scotland.
@@hastekulvaati9681 "In Berlin, in 1936 during the Belin games, he attended numerous functions, including a grand dinner for the British contingent hosted by Joachim von Ribbentrop, the German ambassador to Britain and later foreign minister, where he was introduced to Hitler and other leading members of the National Socialist government. Hamilton had previously met Ribbentrop in London as the Ambassador to the Court of St. James's. Hamilton was invited by Hermann Göring to inspect the newly reinstated Luftwaffe, for his professional interest in aviation. He claimed not to have met Deputy Führer Rudolf Hess in Germany, although he attended a dinner party in Berlin that was also attended by Hess. As both were highly competent pilots with an avid interest in aviation, there is speculation as to the reliability of his denial.
In Germany, Hamilton had met the geopolitician Albrecht Haushofer, the son of the distinguished geopolitical academic Karl Haushofer. The younger Haushofer had studied alongside Hess at Munich University. On Hess's rise to prominence within the Nazi Party, Haushofer became his advisor on foreign affairs. There is speculation that Hess communicated with the Duke via Haushofer after the outbreak of war." So it would appear the Duke had some connections before the Hess flight.
The Unionist Party MP and highest ranked peer in Scotland wanted independence for Scotland?
Does this connection explain Rudolf Hess' flight to Scotland in 1941?
Keep 'em coming Mark, they just keep on getting better!
There's more than one reason why MI5 couldn't reveal, in court, details of German diplomatic communications: superficially, they were protecting the code-breaking operation at Bletchley Park for obvious reasons of military advantage, but behind that was the intelligence-sharing agreement that Britain had with Sweden: Britain was to concentrate on intercepting and decrypting German military communications, and in return for access to this material, Sweden would undertake the (technically very impressive) work of breaking the German Diplomatic ciphers: they had better access to the raw material as the relevant cables were under the Baltic. There was almost nothing more important than Swedish access to German diplomatic ciphers because Swedish ministers ALWAYS had 24 hours notice of what German diplomats were going to demand/threaten in negotiations and they were able to avoid giving ANY serious concessions whilst holding off the threat of German invasion, as had befallen Norway and Denmark. Although it's known how BP broke Enigma and even higher-level German codes, I haven't seen any technically-literate explanation of how the Swedes managed to read German diplomatic ciphers. Let alone any discussion of how many other countries had their diplomatic communications broken and shared with Britain.
Arne Beurling - look him up!
@@adammoss5284 It seems a hopeless task to decrypt a message by hand when it takes two weeks or more, because you'd never get useful intelligence that way. But he did what he did with a view to industrialising the process afterwards. Bill Tutt would, a couple of years later, do the same thing with an even more complicated cipher used on RTTY transmissions. Roy Jenkins (a future Chancellor), somewhat disingenuously claimed that in the whole war he only broke one message at Bletchley that mattered. But every manual break of that nature added to the fund of knowledge that broke others and allowed the process to become more and more automated.
We still seem to know relatively little about the technical implementation of Beurling's work, but although we know that Tutt's work was implemented by the Colossus computers, each change in "plugging" potentially created a different machine, so we don't _really_ know how it worked.
The other thing that advanced throughout the war, was the understanding of the vocabulary used in the messages once you'd decrypted them! This was especially important in Burma, when the first large-scale Chindit operation caused the Japanese to start using words that no Westerner had ever heard before. (They weren't swear-words, just new words coined to describe something the Japanese hadn't seen happen before.) I suspect that the Swedes also had a head-start on the German diplomatic vocabulary compared to the British.
I never knew this and I am surprised , but not shocked.
Your channel has been around for a long time why have you picked now to release this tread carefully
Is that a V2 rocket under your kilt Jim ?
Very interesting Mark always keen learn something new about history and yer my go to man for WWII. However, I think the early SNP was very different animal to its modern successor. Post WW1 Scotland became very much a Labour stronghold and the SNP was considered by most Scot's at the time to be a rather funny little party and the preserve of romanticists, fantasists and yes kooks. They had very little influence with voters even to the point of being a non entity so very unlikely that the German Abwehr would have taken the Party seriously at all let alone some of their more shall we say colourful characters. Though I guess their job was to create dossiers on possible allies. However, like the modern SNP it was a mix bag of people with various political views and philosophies only united with the goal of Scottish Independence. For example there were members of the SNP that both fought for and against Franco in the Spanish Civil War as there were many other British and Irish who did the same for various different reasons. Many SNP supporters voluntarily joined the British Armed Forces during the war prior to being conscripted as well. I think the modern SNP is a million miles away from its early incarnation the vast majority these days being left of centre former Labour supporters like myself. But yes there are others who adhere to other political flavours too. I think Mosley and his Fascists were a far more obvious 5th Column than a handful early of SNP kooks whose opinions probably upset their own supporters with their sons and daughters in the Forces as much as anyone else. However though they may have thought the SNP guys unrealistic "Quislings" the German Abwehr did look to men like the Duke of Hamilton and Lord Halifax and dare I say it the Duke of Windsor formally King Edward VIII as men they could do business with!
Fair, reasonable and balanced 👍 The modern SNP could never have attained electoral success appealing only to National Socialists - but it's the "other political flavours" that you alluded to that have now created a disturbing coalition of additional failed ideologies.
It's case of my enemy's enemy is my friend extremists lurch from left to right and vise versa basically anything which opposes the establishment or moderate views. In reality the SNP and Plaid Cymru are destined to fail if they maintain there socialist dreams since every very small wealth country has adopted low tax high foreign investment aka policies right of those of the current Tory government. Totally bizarre in the later case who are hard left of a Labour party in power in Wales who are left of the national Labour party which the SNP seems to follow a similar line to and doesn't want a republic.
i don't there just as authoritarian like the nazis they tried to take parents rights away and let the state control kids how is it Scottish and Welsh nationalists are ok but if someone is a english nationalist there wrongly called racist and far right and the SNP protester who spat and through eggs at conservatives at there conference there bile and hatred makes them then Scottish numpty party (SNP) brown shirts
Pretty sure Alex Salmond had his own show on RTV lol
The INSANE support by UK media for Ukranian NAZIS beggars belief and the UK public so propagandised they forget Shitstain 🇬🇧 spent 6 years fighting Nazis in WW2.
I miss the 40min long videos but understand why the format has gone to shorter videos .
Wonder if Mark will do a video on the many far right links within the Conservatives?
Douglas Young looks like he should have wore stovepipe hats and stayed out of theaters.
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Interesting to note too that Nazi support from these factions ended when Nazi Gernany was granted access through the Republic Of Ireland to attack NI, but instead 'accidentally' bombed Dublin and the eastern coastline of Iteland.
and of course with no blackout in the Free State, Luftwaffe Bombers flying over the Irish sea could take a bearing for Liverpool
The republic of Ireland was a friendly neutral towards Britain during world war 2. Did you never hear about the Ballyshannon air corridor?
@@iankingsleys2818 It didn't stop the Germans bombing Dublin.
Damn, I had no idea - as if I needed yet another reason to despise the SNP.
That was interesting Mark, thank you.