Lucid Air vs BMW i5 | Battle of Electric RWD Sedans

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  • čas přidán 29. 05. 2024
  • This video compares the Lucid Air Pure RWD to the BMW i5 in the battle of Electric Sport Sedans. At nearly $70,000, expectations rise, so we discuss the pros and cons. We also go over the engineering, design, and driving character. Fans of Mustangs, Camaros, Porsches, Corvettes, Ferraris, Lambos, Hondas, and Teslas will appreciate the future of electric sedans.
    #cars #engineering #technology
    Index:
    00:00 Lucid Intro, Interior and Exterior
    4:40 Audio Testing
    5:28 BMW, Interior and Exterior
    8:52 BMW Mechanical Impressions
    11:41 Lucid Mechanical Impressions
    14:22 Lucid Driving Impressions
    20:02 Driving Impressions, BMW
    24:36 Final Thoughts
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Komentáře • 627

  • @aguruattapiano
    @aguruattapiano Před 2 měsíci +837

    Why am I watching this video? I drive a $1000 shitbox

    • @jonesjones7057
      @jonesjones7057 Před 2 měsíci +79

      You're better off with that anyway.

    • @d1sturb3d119
      @d1sturb3d119 Před 2 měsíci +74

      Cause your shitbox won't talk back to you when you miss a maintenance deadline, or hell won't shut itself off if you decide to drive 5 over..

    • @S8ER
      @S8ER Před 2 měsíci +42

      Don't feel like that..I drive a 1000+ dollar a month shit box and I am also not sure why I am watching this video. 🤣🤣

    • @PMI551
      @PMI551 Před 2 měsíci +29

      You’re allowed to dream.

    • @colin-nekritz
      @colin-nekritz Před 2 měsíci +13

      Me too, and it’s check engine light has been on for over a year but you know what? The car keeps going, it doesn’t care, it’s not shutting itself down until it’s flatbedded to the dealer.

  • @robp3431
    @robp3431 Před 2 měsíci +368

    For as new as Lucid is, it's quite remarkable how well they got "driving" right.

    • @antblanks
      @antblanks Před 2 měsíci +28

      @japanwatchconnection Not just the higher up, he was the Chief Vehicle Engineer of the Model S.

    • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
      @bavariancarenthusiast2722 Před 2 měsíci +19

      Lucid investors bought the best team money could buy - so the mechanical underpinning and base tech is awesome - the much better Tesla - but Software takes time as the German vendors know very well

    • @MengLinWu
      @MengLinWu Před 2 měsíci +16

      @@antblanks He was also Chief Engineer at Lotus. That Lotus.

    • @scott8919
      @scott8919 Před 2 měsíci +1

      You only have one chance to make a good first impression.

    • @cbotten106
      @cbotten106 Před 2 měsíci +7

      Not "remarkable" these guys are sweating the details. And I'm not kidding and do not own a Lucid or a single share of LCID stock. I do follow the auto industry though. They've got the deep pockets to weather almost any storm.

  • @zukacs
    @zukacs Před 2 měsíci +272

    What a day to be alive that BMW is called a luxury sedan and some other brand a sports sedan

    • @ADUSN
      @ADUSN Před 2 měsíci +34

      BMW chose volume over 'sport' 30 years ago.

    • @user-my4xu4gf1z
      @user-my4xu4gf1z Před 2 měsíci +8

      Huh? When has BMW not been considered a luxury brand. ?

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@user-my4xu4gf1z Agreed, someone explained to me a while ago that GM analogs to German car makers is VW is Chevy, BMW is Pontiac, Audi is Buick, Porsche is Corvette and Mercedes is Cadillac.

    • @user-my4xu4gf1z
      @user-my4xu4gf1z Před 2 měsíci +12

      @@anydaynow01 eh idk about all that lol. German cars are just way better than American imo. Sounds like America is the knock off brands too me. Coming from an American 😂

    • @ruturaj47
      @ruturaj47 Před 2 měsíci +1

      2018 BMW blog compared stinger with 5 series, did the same thing.

  • @djsg143
    @djsg143 Před 2 měsíci +127

    Lucid has a great philosophy and hope they can survive. Wish they'd create a volume seller to help them on their mission.

    • @KidKingdomHearts
      @KidKingdomHearts Před 2 měsíci +10

      If it’s anything, their $80k SUV starts sale end of this year.

    • @davidpless8486
      @davidpless8486 Před 2 měsíci +7

      Hopefully the Gravity (or whatever it's called if the copyright doesn't get sorted) will be a hit. Can't wait to see what they could do with a 3/Y competitor.

    • @dragospahontu
      @dragospahontu Před 2 měsíci

      Maybe they will be owned by a Chinese company in the future. That's the only way they can survive.

    • @wizzyno1566
      @wizzyno1566 Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​@@KidKingdomHeartsno it wont.

    • @JohnLee-db9zt
      @JohnLee-db9zt Před 2 měsíci +2

      Too much of a niche company with expensive EV with no pedigree. I doubt it they’ll be around in 5-10 years.

  • @Del_987
    @Del_987 Před 2 měsíci +88

    Thanks for the audio testing - one of the few things that’s really hard to get info on.

    • @aaaaaaxaaaaaa
      @aaaaaaxaaaaaa Před 2 měsíci +3

      Best part about this channel

    • @hamsterbrigade
      @hamsterbrigade Před 2 měsíci +1

      Especially when one of the biggest reasons to buy an EV is if you're looking for the quietest ride.

    • @larrywineland4682
      @larrywineland4682 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Of note, the SPL level difference between the Lucid is only 2dB louder than the BMW. The human ear usually cannot perceive that difference in SPL, 3-4 dB is when you start to notice. The Lucid is by no means noisy or not-luxury feeling, I have one, compared it to a Tesla which was atrocious. So by their own measurements BMW is BARELY quieter than the Lucid, not much to criticize there.

  • @tuanand955
    @tuanand955 Před 2 měsíci +32

    "Hans...take me on the worm ride" 😂 you guys are f_____g hilarious!

  • @thescavwithnothingtolose1224
    @thescavwithnothingtolose1224 Před 2 měsíci +16

    Mark's nervous giggle as Jack threw the Lucid into the turn was hilarious.

  • @aendoh
    @aendoh Před 2 měsíci +90

    After watching one of your videos I always feel like having a phd afterwards in that topic 😂😂

  • @briansullivan3966
    @briansullivan3966 Před měsícem +12

    Watched this earlier today while sitting at Lucid delivery center waiting to pickup my car.. had to wait 30 minutes they were backed up. Not a ton of people picking up new cars, but they had one guy total. Ugh. Like 5th time already saw some teething problems being a new company. Watching this video was a little afraid they were going to go "Lucid is a POS get the i5." but happy it was pretty much what you'd expect. My review of Lucid Touring after 8 hours of ownership: This car is really fucking nice, lol. My biggest gripe is no Android Auto. And like seemingly all cars, with wheel where I like it it obstructs view of instrument panel. Oh and no button on front to open the frunk. I'd actually prefer to use it but more annoying to open. But otherwise car drives great. Normal day-to-day driving great, and went out for a bit after family went to bed for a little more spirited and yeah it just lives up to hype.

    • @cbotten106
      @cbotten106 Před měsícem +2

      Good luck with the Lucid! You are officially an early adopter.

  • @sosimpleandrew
    @sosimpleandrew Před 2 měsíci +49

    “You see it on a graph” - thanks, Mark, for believing in me…

  • @jrod237
    @jrod237 Před 2 měsíci +45

    No other channel like this, not even close. Greatly appreciate your insight👍🏼 Very cool glimpse of the audio testing 🔊

    • @cbotten106
      @cbotten106 Před měsícem

      I just hope they know it. Appreciation from this quarter!

  • @rolandoquezada7180
    @rolandoquezada7180 Před 2 měsíci +36

    You guys are so good at this. Marc’s comments are 1000% spot on . I test drove the i5 and it was as boring as my Camry. I’ll have to try the Lucid.

    • @isserdigan2835
      @isserdigan2835 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Currently building a garage for a Lucid Air or Gravity. 😅

    • @user-my4xu4gf1z
      @user-my4xu4gf1z Před 2 měsíci +9

      Bruh I just don't get this comment. If u want a drivers car get a porsche or bmw M car. The hell u want an EV for if your looking for driving engagement. If I wanted anEV it would be a pure luxury cruiser.

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Před 2 měsíci

      Quite a few Lucids around here over the past year or so. Definitely seeing way more Airs than Model Ss these days. Though Model Y is like a Honda Civic around here these days! If it were my money, and with the Saudi's hell bent on making Lucid work, combined with the brain trust of Lucid (watch their tech videos!), I would get a Gravity with no regrets.

    • @Krauser1226
      @Krauser1226 Před 2 měsíci +11

      ​@@user-my4xu4gf1z I don't think it's unreasonable to want an EV that doesn't bore the hell out of you. Sure, if you're looking for an enthusiast car period, maybe avoid them, but it's completely fair to be in the market for an EV and have a little character and feel.

    • @MRMV483
      @MRMV483 Před 2 měsíci +1

      The only thing is that Lucid will creak like a camry after 6 months

  • @1HydraAirsoft1
    @1HydraAirsoft1 Před 2 měsíci +25

    It would be really interesting to see a Lucid Air vs Taycan comparison, as the best driving EVs that you can buy.

  • @j.r.986
    @j.r.986 Před 2 měsíci +68

    I’m surprised that in your tech segments you haven’t discussed BMW being the only manufacturer using brushed motors in its EVs, needing service, brush replacements, and possibly cleaning out at some point. Since no other manufacturer is using brushed motors over magnets, I’m skeptical of it being the way to go

    • @vinny9152
      @vinny9152 Před 2 měsíci +12

      You do have to give them credit for selecting a motor topology that does not require any permanent magnets dug up from mining.

    • @mingkwanburckhardt
      @mingkwanburckhardt Před měsícem +32

      BMW recommends replacing the brushs after 168k miles and the replacement module is 100 bucks. If the brushs indeed last as long as BMW claims, then this should be a non-issue.

    • @aussie2uGA
      @aussie2uGA Před měsícem +4

      BMW dealers probably had a say in this decision. Dealers need high profit service visits, not maintenance free cars.

    • @Conservator.
      @Conservator. Před měsícem

      @@aussie2uGABrushes are cheap and will possible need to be changed only once. It’s a non issue.

    • @Conservator.
      @Conservator. Před měsícem

      @@aussie2uGABMW dealers don’t make huge profits. They have an extraordinary amount of overhead (which is insane imo but that’s another discussion)

  • @cgmoog
    @cgmoog Před 2 měsíci +12

    Just some real world data points.
    Last week recharged at a 350kw Electrify America station. I have an AWD Lucid Pure with the same 700+ volt 88 kW-hr battery pack as the RWD Pure. It was 52F and I started charging at a little over 250 kW. I charged for 30 minutes and went from 5% to 80% averaging over 132kW even though I was the fourth car connecting at a 4 bay station. So the higher voltage can help.
    I have also gone to a EA 350kW charger and even though I'm the only one there, have connected at only 50kW (I always have the battery preconditioning before charging). When that happens I take a quick hit (10 to 15 minutes) and then drive 50 -60 miles to the next charger) hoping that I will connect at higher speeds.
    The key is to just charge enough to get to your destination (with a margin of safety). Then complete your charge to 80% over night.

    • @Riverrafting
      @Riverrafting Před 2 měsíci +3

      This sounds horrible!

    • @Cyrribrae
      @Cyrribrae Před měsícem

      Charging infrastructure continues to hold back EVs. Gotta at least hit tesla supercharger reliability levels.
      Still. Before you drive to the next station, try the other stalls first. Often it's just one charger stall being limited, not the whole site.

    • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
      @bavariancarenthusiast2722 Před měsícem

      @@Cyrribrae not around here - across Europe - very dense network of HP charger - now its getting too full on high traffic times

    • @Cyrribrae
      @Cyrribrae Před měsícem

      @@bavariancarenthusiast2722 yep. And even more important, Europe's network of level 2 charging is far superior to the US's. Tragic indeed. But slowly getting better.

    • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
      @bavariancarenthusiast2722 Před měsícem

      @@Cyrribrae yes you are right - I now upgrade my garage charger to 400V if you have this level over there? Its 3 x faster then level 2, so the car is always full over night even if you roll in with 0%.

  • @noper
    @noper Před 2 měsíci +127

    You guys swapped the driving segment names FYI

    • @sfisosg7904
      @sfisosg7904 Před 2 měsíci +23

      They did it on purpose because of how the lucid drove

  • @jacquesracine9571
    @jacquesracine9571 Před 9 dny

    First time I see a real audio test in a car review, Bravo!

  • @IssaqAl-Ahmed
    @IssaqAl-Ahmed Před 2 měsíci +1

    This was an actual great comparison because of the talking points that could be had. Super informative and thought provoking. Great vid!

  • @lousogoodx
    @lousogoodx Před 2 měsíci +2

    Great comparison guys. Just drove an I5 loner for 3 days and really couldn't put my finger on what was not so good. But you guys hit it. Thanks so much

  • @_ALPHA_619
    @_ALPHA_619 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Another top notch video Mark and Jack!

  • @Riverguide33
    @Riverguide33 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Great review, guys, as usual. Thanks. 👍👍

  • @aroundomaha
    @aroundomaha Před 2 měsíci +5

    Great blend of your normal, thorough review with details relevant to the EV side of these cars. I’m not an EV shopper but find Lucid fascinating. I want driving feel to connect to my car, even if it is my daily. Lucid is showing focus on drivers. I hope they succeed

  • @BrakeForLoop
    @BrakeForLoop Před 2 měsíci +6

    Thanks for the video comparing the two! Definitely helped me be a more informed consumer.

  • @simonmorty8344
    @simonmorty8344 Před 2 měsíci +4

    So in this set up i definitely think as a drivers car the Lucid wins hands down. Excited to see where they take the EV world and I'm not an EV fan at all. However, it seems Lucid do actually give a damn about the driving feel and experience and wish them every success for the future! No other EV manufacture seems to be going this route yet.
    Great indepth video as always and love the channel!

  • @mtnman1984
    @mtnman1984 Před 2 měsíci +43

    The glass roof on the Lucid really does it a disservice as a luxury car. Instead of absorbing noise, it reflects it.

    • @JollyGiant19
      @JollyGiant19 Před 2 měsíci +8

      The heat as well. If you own anything with a glass roof you’ll want a good tint on it ASAP!

    • @jamied9448
      @jamied9448 Před 2 měsíci +7

      We're getting it with the regular roof for that reason

    • @mtnman1984
      @mtnman1984 Před 2 měsíci +9

      @@jamied9448 it's great that they have the option. I would never want the glass. Have fun with the car. Driven two. Very well thought out.

    • @hotdog9262
      @hotdog9262 Před 2 měsíci +5

      id say if one buy a new car to own for a long time, avoid anything that isn`t a simple uniform metal roof. no sunroof moonroof any of that crap, its just rust and leaks waiting to happen

    • @vinay8429
      @vinay8429 Před 2 měsíci +4

      I love my Lucid glass roof. It they do offer option of metallic roof for anyone with a different preference.

  • @afterace
    @afterace Před 2 měsíci +4

    The G60 5 series is basically a replacement for the SWB 7 series at this point, it's almost the same size and share the driving dynamics philosophy. I imagine the next 3 series will essentially be the 5 series replacement now.

  • @stanlee3619
    @stanlee3619 Před 2 měsíci +9

    What a great detailed review. One of my favorite channels for pure information.

  • @jerrybarrax5618
    @jerrybarrax5618 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Love the on-track seque @ 20:05. Nice touch. :-)

  • @Syncopia
    @Syncopia Před měsícem +3

    Nearly 80 grand for a bmw that is about as exciting to drive as a camry. What a world.

    • @cbotten106
      @cbotten106 Před měsícem

      It's a whole new world. If you watch the Savagegeese video on the BMW i5 M60 you'll see that excitement isn't all it's cracked up to be.

  • @jareknowak8712
    @jareknowak8712 Před 2 měsíci +16

    As an European, who always appreciates old BMWs, there are no reasons to buy i5.
    Good job Lucid !!

  • @jameskudera-zq2py
    @jameskudera-zq2py Před měsícem

    Thank you for an honest review and more importantly, offering different perspectives. As much as I would enjoy the driving dynamics in the Lucid, comfort and refinement are now a higher priority for me. Keep up the great work!

  • @S8ER
    @S8ER Před 2 měsíci

    Great review... I have zero interest in either of these but I still ended up watching all the way through and feel like I learned something. Well done.

  • @2boutch
    @2boutch Před 2 měsíci +1

    Thanks for thanking us for our time ❤

  • @2006gtobob
    @2006gtobob Před 2 měsíci +12

    In this Xanax inundated, Special K ingesting world, BMW knows its lease client, very well. With Lucid, it's made for DRIVERS. I am so happy to FINALLY see a Lucid every once in a while on the road away from the Phoenix area, where its assembled.
    To me, the Lucid is a masterpiece. A genuine work of art. The BMW is a product from a marketing company.
    To see the smiles on your faces while ripping it up with Lucid, it's so easy to see what is the more FUN, and in many ways, better car.

    • @user-my4xu4gf1z
      @user-my4xu4gf1z Před 2 měsíci +2

      Saying an EV is made for drivers is hilarious. If u want a drivers car get a porsche or bmw M car.

    • @2006gtobob
      @2006gtobob Před 2 měsíci +1

      Have either of you clowns driven a Lucid? I'm a multi Porsche and other sports car owner from a time when actual driving characteristics were built into cars, vs synthetic. I have owned many sports and muscle cars over the years and FULLY understand fast driving, ask my attorney. The Lucid is a solid driver's car, quicker than anything I've ever owned. So what if it doesn't have a combustion engine? It has massive, instant torque and speed. Go drive one.

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@user-my4xu4gf1z You can get an EV Porsche and M car. 🙂 There is no reason someone won't make an electric lightweight MX-5 type car soon,as long as buyers are happy with a very small range. The Mini Cooper SE electric is within 100kg of the Mini Cooper S ICE, most owners seem to think it's pretty fun to drive. In terms of getting stuck in to hooking up tightly spaced hairpin corners, there is no reason an EV can't be fun (obviously the combustion engine noises and gear changes are missing, but then you have the instant throttle response which only the very best of ICEs can get close to,so swings and roundabouts) -- in terms of apex-to-apex I definitely believe BEVs have the potential to be lots of fun, as long as the weight is close to parity with the ICE equivalent.

  • @Anamnesis
    @Anamnesis Před 2 měsíci +4

    the quantity of these cars that you're actually going to see on the road this month: somewhere between 0 and 1

  • @cpftank09
    @cpftank09 Před 2 měsíci +14

    I’m not EV person. But if I did go EV, it be a Lucid for sure. It seems like a better fit and finish than a Tesla and does everything better than other brands.

    • @DougC83
      @DougC83 Před 2 měsíci +1

      except that it’s even less reliable than a Tesla 😂

  • @Acs2046
    @Acs2046 Před 2 měsíci +17

    Styling wise- this is a battle between Hyundai and Rolls-Royce

    • @yungrichnbroke5199
      @yungrichnbroke5199 Před 2 měsíci

      Hmm what?

    • @jerrybarrax5618
      @jerrybarrax5618 Před 2 měsíci +12

      @@yungrichnbroke5199The Lucid has the understated elegance of a Rolls-Royce, and the bimmer has the shouty tacky abrasive look of a Hyundai. Clear enough for ya?

    • @yungrichnbroke5199
      @yungrichnbroke5199 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@jerrybarrax5618 yea everyone has different tastes though.

    • @bassandtrebleclef
      @bassandtrebleclef Před 2 měsíci +4

      ​@@yungrichnbroke5199for sure, but the awkward bmw design ethos since the early 2000s is devolving. The only attractive bmw in the last 15 years has been the z4. The others are variations of ugly. The model s is beautifully designed and this is a well.

    • @av_oid
      @av_oid Před měsícem

      @@jerrybarrax5618The Lucid looks like a soap bar, sort of like the Merc EQE, designed to be slippery. The BMW looks like a beaver hit with the ugly stick. Software however on the Licid looks barely even “half-baked”.
      So I’d buy something other than either car. I’ve driven an EQE 53 AMG, the new Hybrid AMG C63, Audi RS e-Tron, Tesla Model 3 Performance, Kia EV6 GT and Hyundai Ioniq 5N and with all of them the software, driving and usage experience was better than these 2 cars appear. I’ve also driven a BYD Seal Performance - it is quick, but its handling is unsafe. (Currently my wife has a Ioniq 5 non-N, and I have an AMG and shopping for an EV replacement)

  • @epi2045
    @epi2045 Před 2 měsíci +11

    Straight up the most thorough and thoughtful car review channel. Love the audio system and underbody analysis. Oh… the Lucid’s rear isn’t elegant.

    • @isserdigan2835
      @isserdigan2835 Před 2 měsíci

      You can upgrade the sound system on the Lucid pure.

    • @cbotten106
      @cbotten106 Před 2 měsíci

      It sounds like somebody who's going to crank it would be well advised to do so. Why does SG do more of those audio evaluations. I like that. @@isserdigan2835

  • @Lazirus951
    @Lazirus951 Před 2 měsíci +2

    20:00 song is: ZORRO - Just Bones (Instrumental)

  • @rolandoquezada7180
    @rolandoquezada7180 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Love this content

  • @AKK5I
    @AKK5I Před 2 měsíci +148

    No B58 No buy

  • @Landez97
    @Landez97 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Assuming it's reliable, it's gonna be so nice to get a Lucid Air for like $30k in a few years

  • @magnesium_subsoil_94
    @magnesium_subsoil_94 Před 2 měsíci +1

    It’s remarkable how specifically these guys can describe what exactly the lucid does right

  • @Liplip40
    @Liplip40 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Maybe one of the best reviews.

  • @Peter-ky5hl
    @Peter-ky5hl Před 2 měsíci +3

    I would love it if you made a masterclass in audio technology

  • @jerrybarrax5618
    @jerrybarrax5618 Před 2 měsíci +5

    For my money, the Lucid is the clear winner. Not that I can afford either of them, but the Lucid is a better driver's car, and I do love driving dynamics. I also love good design and, IMHO, the Lucid looks elegant. The BMW is fugly.
    I am a little disappointed that Lucid has so many QC issues, but for a startup car maker, that's forgiveable. BMW is certainly no paragon of long-term reliability, so the quality/reliability factor is a wash.
    And for me, the bottom line is emotional. I want Lucid to succeed because I want cleaner air and lower emissions, I respect what they're trying to achieve, I appreciate the fact that they're the only company matching Tesla on range, and I bought stock in the company and I want that investment to pay off, damnit!
    Okay, so maybe it's emotional and financial. :-).
    Thanks guys for another great video.

  • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
    @bavariancarenthusiast2722 Před 2 měsíci

    I always love your final thoughts part guys, you put so much thought in it combined with tech and industry knowledge. Great!
    Regarding those 2 cars - exactly the category where I am buying next. The underpinnings of the Lucid are very promising but its not ready yet for prime time, since they have unlimited Saudi Money it's only a matter of time.
    The BMW is great tech - but leaves me as a BMW fan warmish at best. I also like the iX to drive, inside but not to look at and it's a SUV....so I will chose something else which I never thought I would go for this time....thanks guys!

    • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
      @bavariancarenthusiast2722 Před 2 měsíci

      @japanwatchconnection disclaimer there is no dream decision for me right now - I signed up for a fully loaded EQE500E, good for long distance, competitive lease (fully loaded costs the same as a naked entry level i5 or half compared a Lucid over here) so.....

    • @cbotten106
      @cbotten106 Před 2 měsíci

      NOOOOOO!
      Just kidding congrats.👍 @@bavariancarenthusiast2722

  • @lo_Navy
    @lo_Navy Před měsícem +3

    Lucid is the KING

    • @prawnstar9213
      @prawnstar9213 Před 9 dny

      The king of creating a car for .3% of the market.

  • @isserdigan2835
    @isserdigan2835 Před 2 měsíci +22

    I get it why people hate EV's. I used to until i learned about the Lucid Air in 2022. Since then i watched their videos. Followed their factory Amp 1 construction. Watched the tech talks that explained their superior technology and the reviews by countless people who praises the driving dynamics of the Air. Its a Technological Masterpiece worthy of buying. ❤. This coming from an M340i X5 M50 and Porsche GT4 owner. Wife also coming along in liking the Air.

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 Před 2 měsíci +2

      I think they should have come out with the Gravity first, or given the Air more of a CUV look. Yeah it may have cost them range numbers but folks want CUVs (lifted station wagons/estate cars). But yeah, after watching the Lucid tech videos and seeing the SG Sapphire review with the engineers I'm a huge Lucid fan!

    • @isserdigan2835
      @isserdigan2835 Před 2 měsíci

      @@anydaynow01 i think Lucid air puts them in a position to showcase their technology better than a gravity. Plus Lucid has racing DNA. Not gonna matter much with the Gravity. I am not a fan of the infotainment placement of the gravity too. Its too high up. Plus the plastic wheel fender wells are a turn off for me. It makes it look cheap

    • @isserdigan2835
      @isserdigan2835 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Pretty sure you said the same thing about Tesla when they are in their cash burn state. They werent profitable for almost 10 years 😂😂😂

    • @wizzyno1566
      @wizzyno1566 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@japanwatchconnectionlucid will go bankrupt if the Saudis get bored. Otherwise they can lose money forever.

    • @antblanks
      @antblanks Před 2 měsíci

      @@isserdigan2835 Tesla survived on government subsidized clean air credits mostly from the state of CA. They forced China into the same clean air credit model as well, but China slyly used them to build out their EV supply chain infrastructure and then created BYD and is now eating their lunch.

  • @AnhDoUSA
    @AnhDoUSA Před měsícem +3

    Lucid all the way!

  • @higurro
    @higurro Před měsícem +2

    The Lucid really is the 90s BMW of the 2020s

  • @bdpSovietafr0
    @bdpSovietafr0 Před 2 měsíci

    Do one of these but do like a Camry vs Sonata when y'all get the new Camry
    Very well done as always. Best car channel in the biz

  • @davidmccarthy6061
    @davidmccarthy6061 Před 2 měsíci

    Great review, guys! I feel like I want to drive around your area just for a chance to see you celebrities.

  • @micpatleb
    @micpatleb Před 2 měsíci +1

    Nice to see a legitimate smile on Marc's face in the Lucid!

  • @expsterm1
    @expsterm1 Před měsícem +1

    So much for the Ultimate Driving Machine

  • @hondahirny
    @hondahirny Před 2 měsíci

    Love how the Lucid says 30mph limit while on a racetrack. 😂
    Love the choice of music on the dash. Quite appropriate 🎉

  • @starkyslp16
    @starkyslp16 Před 2 měsíci +10

    So easy choice... Lucid over the i5. Can't remember the last time I was impressed by a new BMW model (as the current owner of 2 BMWs)

    • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
      @bavariancarenthusiast2722 Před 2 měsíci

      Not at all - but easy it is none of them - I will go somewhere else always been a BMW driver

    • @MrCarGuy
      @MrCarGuy Před 2 měsíci

      ​@japanwatchconnection VW has objectively made junk for decades

    • @hassanger8128
      @hassanger8128 Před měsícem

      You guys are just broke.
      BMW isn't for you.
      Go get a Kia. The cheap one

  • @dl8538
    @dl8538 Před 2 měsíci

    0:54 - Savage Geese attack residue (just below the drivers side mirror)!!

  • @fatboy19831
    @fatboy19831 Před měsícem

    Fair report. Unfortunately BMW no longer makes drivers cars. Things started going down hill in 2009 by 2013 most BMWs had lost their dynamic adge. I had a 2012 x3 although it had no steering feel. It was still a fun to drive drift-able suv. I miss the non turbo straight six. What an engine. The electric motor before electric motors.

  • @dawnpoint
    @dawnpoint Před 2 měsíci +2

    I absolutely despise EVs and I would still buy a Lucid simply because it’s done RIGHT.

  • @obsidian....
    @obsidian.... Před 2 měsíci +23

    I bet the general public would think the opposite would be true of these two vehicles

    • @LJ-wo1wf
      @LJ-wo1wf Před 2 měsíci +2

      I know, right? The BMW looks aggressive and sporty, like it should be able to shred its tires all day; and the Lucid looks like a sleek, glassy-smooth-riding luxury sedan. I’m sitting here watching them drive both these cars and I still have to tell myself which one is which.

  • @danmayberry1185
    @danmayberry1185 Před 2 měsíci +3

    The first Lucid Air was SO far ahead of the pack.

  • @xtype2006
    @xtype2006 Před 2 měsíci

    Did this Lucid Air have the base Surreal Sound system or Surreal Sound Pro?

  • @Tyelkormoko
    @Tyelkormoko Před měsícem

    Interesting video, kind of disagree, or not disagree but don't really understand the driving impression feedback, but loved it anyway. The driving impression time stamp titles are switched.

  • @jimj2683
    @jimj2683 Před měsícem

    Sound insulation is often a good indicator of quality. Lots of cars try to wow their customers with flashy crap, but what matters in the end is how it drives and feels.

  • @ChurchAutoTest
    @ChurchAutoTest Před 2 měsíci +1

    Not totallly sold on the Lucid pitch yet, but I do think they offer a unique take on the future of EVs and it would be a shame if they don't maintain solvency going forward.

  • @hardyk2010
    @hardyk2010 Před 2 měsíci +1

    FYI - "driving impressions" timestamp caption on YT was swapped for both cars

  • @anydaynow01
    @anydaynow01 Před 2 měsíci

    I know they were going for ultimate range and driving dynamics with coming out with a sedan first, but CUVs sell these days, just look at Model Y vs. S sales. They would have been much better served releasing a slightly cheaper Gravity type CUV out the gate and taken the slight hit to ultimate range numbers. That and just getting Android Auto / Apple Car play to work from the get go should be key for any non Tesla auto maker right now.

  • @andrecpa07
    @andrecpa07 Před 3 dny

    Did you did the sound test with the Lucid Surreal Sound Pro or the basic sound system? Looks like the basic system as the Pro system is just excellent.

  • @cpete0079
    @cpete0079 Před 2 měsíci +1

    What about comparing to the M60? Wouldn’t that satisfy the sporty need compared to the Lucid?

  • @hamsterbrigade
    @hamsterbrigade Před 2 měsíci +2

    "Your risk of being air lifted out is much greater in the Sapphire"...lol

  • @cinthe3
    @cinthe3 Před 2 měsíci +3

    I hope lucid stays in the game. Both them and rivian are facing the mountain.

  • @acanuck1679
    @acanuck1679 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Another (well-deserved) brick-bat for BMW. I take your point WRT the interior fitments in the Lucid (no cigar for falling short on this score in a vehicle that purports to be a l-u-x-u-r-y sport sedan).
    Nevertheless, the Lucid looks much nicer on the outside (the BMW looks like an overweight parody of its ancestors). More importantly, the folks at Lucid seem still to believe that we who buy vehicles might actually be interested in driving them (and having fun while doing so). Heaps of kudos to Lucid for that.
    Unfortunately, the BMW will likely sell like hotcakes (a testament to the power of marketing and past legacy), when surely this burgermeister deserves to be shunned for its awful driving dynamics.
    I hope Lucid does well with this vehicle--and works out the shortcomings that mar the interior audioscape and the driver-interface.
    Thank you for another great review.

    • @acanuck1679
      @acanuck1679 Před 2 měsíci

      PS: "Yobness" (23"02'). Outstanding!

  • @Fastvoice
    @Fastvoice Před 2 měsíci

    Did you mix up the chapters in the timeline? "Lucid Driving Impressions" with the BMW and vice versa?

  • @GregMcNamer
    @GregMcNamer Před měsícem +2

    Are you sure the lucid was preconditioned before charging? That's the only reason I could see for it to start at 55kw getting up to 139kw later.
    I've had terrible luck with the charging around Chicago, but if I get more than 80kw at any point in the charging session, it's because the charger was fully functional.

    • @anticringeclub
      @anticringeclub Před měsícem +2

      very much this, if you don't precondition you're already putting yourself at a huge disadvantage

  • @DontEatCream
    @DontEatCream Před měsícem +1

    Lucid makes a better drivers car, but the fate of many of these electric car startups aren't guarenteed. I don't love bmw but at least I'm confident they'll still exist as a company in 5 years time

  • @misaelramos83
    @misaelramos83 Před měsícem

    8:00 Um did you condition the battery in either car?

  • @Steve-id5qx
    @Steve-id5qx Před měsícem

    You spent the whole BMW drive bored and lamenting how the car doesn’t feel BMWs of the past. You spent most of the Lucid drive laughing with joy. That sums it up perfectly. Lucid is the one to get.

  • @papagen00
    @papagen00 Před měsícem +1

    The Saudiis must know something that we don't about Lucid when they gave them a $1B lifeline.

  • @DrWildebeest
    @DrWildebeest Před 2 měsíci

    I would love to see the Lucid Air Touring AWD with the upgraded sound system and their driving assist professional vs the BWM i5 M60. These are the 2 EVs that made my shortlist, but went with the BMW because of the software. You didn’t mention how you crack your head getting in and out of the Lucid unless you remember to duck.

  • @benicia21
    @benicia21 Před 2 měsíci +1

    3:40 - BMW idrive 8.5 also has major issues with iPhone connections

    • @MRMV483
      @MRMV483 Před 2 měsíci

      Hope they fix that soon…

  • @hussamalyafai3708
    @hussamalyafai3708 Před měsícem

    What's BMW's Moto?
    The Ultimate driving machine,
    Bravo Lucid 👏
    A startup!! Drives better than a beamer, and beats it in packaging too!!
    Refinement comes with experience which BMW has decades of.

  • @sonicd7106
    @sonicd7106 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Two vehicles for the common man.

  • @spdcrzy
    @spdcrzy Před 2 měsíci

    Mark, did you do an audio comparison between the glass and aluminum roofs? I'd imagine the aluminum roof model is SIGNIFICANTLY quieter at speed.

  • @dannoyes4493
    @dannoyes4493 Před 2 měsíci +8

    I must admit (but don't tell anybody) the Lucid is an extremely compelling package.
    If only it weren't electric.
    Well Done.

    • @iMaxPatten
      @iMaxPatten Před 2 měsíci

      It being electric is what it enables it to be so efficient, have so much space, and exist at all. If combustion engines are going away (and they will, but not overnight) we can only hope Lucid’s model is the way forward.

  • @MBergyman
    @MBergyman Před 2 měsíci +1

    I wonder if depreciation will hit these cars both the same. My money is on the BMW being the better vehicle to pick up off lease if that is your thing. I am not into paying for ANY new vehicle (waste of money!) so it will be interesting to see how reliable both of these cars are. After all, the EV-vangelists say that EVs are more reliable than their gas counterparts, and the horror stories associated with servicing BMWs have kept me from considering them as potential options for me. That said, I own VWs and have had almost zero issues with them, none which were show stoppers for me, so maybe a BMW could do well for me…

  • @NoodlesExtraMSG
    @NoodlesExtraMSG Před 2 měsíci +3

    If they named the battery B58, would AI Jack halt, catch fire or become sentient?

    • @cbotten106
      @cbotten106 Před 2 měsíci

      If that were to come to pass, Jack would become the poster boy for spontaneous human combustion. Let's just hope that doesn't happen,

  • @bbkangs
    @bbkangs Před měsícem +1

    So basically it just comes down to whether you want to use turn signals or not

  • @djsg143
    @djsg143 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Maybe revisit the Fiskar Ocean since they are having a fire sale.

    • @isserdigan2835
      @isserdigan2835 Před 2 měsíci

      Yeah coz they arent back by anything. Lucid is backed by Saudi PIF fund. Rivian is backed by Amazon and Tesla is Tesla.

    • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
      @bavariancarenthusiast2722 Před 2 měsíci +2

      sadly but true - will they survive at all?

  • @PhonyBologna
    @PhonyBologna Před 2 měsíci

    The only other potential competitor in the RWD EV space will be Porsche with their Cayman EV RWD, IMO.
    However, I doubt it will be as mechanical as the Lucid, it may make up though for it on weight distribution (batteries behind the driver) and lightness though.

  • @NomadJedi
    @NomadJedi Před 2 měsíci

    I anxiously wait for the day Lucid comes to Europe

  • @ratshackmojo
    @ratshackmojo Před 2 měsíci +3

    At this point I would only lease an electric vehicle due to their rapid progress and very uncertain resale value. Right now, you can easily lease an i5 for around $600 per month which is notably cheaper than Lucid's >$700 and they also require double the down payment vs BMW. The other question is will Lucid be even around in 5 years?

    • @gregmcgrath1226
      @gregmcgrath1226 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Saudi owns 60% and they are making this part of their transition away from oil. I think Lucid will be around for a long time.

    • @ratshackmojo
      @ratshackmojo Před 2 měsíci

      @@gregmcgrath1226 Lucid lost over $2 billion last year. Even rich daddies from Riyadh have their limits.

    • @cbotten106
      @cbotten106 Před 2 měsíci

      They'll have to prove it for me to believe it. They made 26 billion of profits off the Aramco IPO. With a market cap of $1.7 trillion. Don't cry for rich daddies.

    • @gregmcgrath1226
      @gregmcgrath1226 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@ratshackmojo You think they were not aware of how much investment it would take before they might see a break even point? If that? Lucid are going to be producing these en masse in Saudi Arabia for Europe and Asia and breaking even or even carrying it with some losses would be worth it for the tech and manufacturing sector Saudi are trying to build. Tier 1, benefits Tier 2, benefits Tier 3. I really dont care if Saudi succeeds or not- but they are not stupid enough to throw billions at this to just walk away within a couple of years. Also, Lucid, by all accounts of Automotive news, reviews, and customer feedback, are making a great product. Thats something some legacy brands cannot tout about their EV offerings after throwing Billions at their attempts.

  • @jimj2683
    @jimj2683 Před měsícem

    Can you make a list of noise measurements for different cars?

  • @albopastrami9269
    @albopastrami9269 Před měsícem

    Great that Lucid still has physical switches for v frequent controls that need to be touch no sight.

  • @ksoman953
    @ksoman953 Před 2 měsíci

    Why are you making good videos?

  • @Radium3D
    @Radium3D Před 2 měsíci

    They should rename prismatic batteries "pouch in a box" cells :) I know it doesn't sound as magical, but it's accurate

  • @sb5224
    @sb5224 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I always find it funny when the reviewers say Lucid does not have the 'Brand value'. Someone who will buy a $100K sedan will move around in a social circle where everyone knows what Lucid is. They don't care what your average middle class Joe at Target thinks about them. It's called Quiet luxury lifestyle. PS - I am an average middle class Joe.

  • @Radium3D
    @Radium3D Před 2 měsíci

    Next time you're in San Diego you'll see a lot more Lucid around here, people seem to know.

  • @ladislaualbert2807
    @ladislaualbert2807 Před měsícem

    Ride the Lightning- excellent choice!
    🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @sailingandsomejokes
    @sailingandsomejokes Před 2 měsíci +1

    Even I am a big fan of bmw cars. House hold actually has a x3 and i4 m50. I would choose Lucid.

    • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
      @bavariancarenthusiast2722 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Same here - I had almost all 5 series since ....I don´t even know, but also the Lucid is not a fully baked car much more expensive also a hard no.