Ask Me Anything w/ Former Atheist Biochemist Dr. Sy Garte
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I was an atheist working for a government science research lab when I became a very surprised Christian, so I find a lot in this that I really connect with.
Can you please expand with your testimony, or journey to belief?
@@johnnybravo778 I sure could, (or you could search for Darren Gedye testimony of an ex-athiest for a very old version) Before I do though I'm curious as to why you want to know more? As an un-verifiable anecdotal account I don't think my testimony has any use in apologetics, I'm not interested in getting into pointless arguments about it, and it always embarrasses me when well meaning people copy it without my permission and throw it at atheists like some sort of holy hand grenade. Only 1 person (Gary Zeolla) has ever asked and been granted my permission to copy it. (That was because he was confused about why I sometimes backed the atheists in debates and sometimes backed the Christians so I tried to explain it to him.) Every other copy on the internet has been used without my permission.
My scientific lay research played a major role in solidifying my theism in tandem with philosophical proofs, and link cleaning with my theology, which is mostly catholic despite my protestantism
Thanks for answering my question!
I recommend you two read the books The Unseen Realm and Angels and Demons by the late Dr. Michael Heiser.
Cam: hope you agree that an angel appeared to Mary to announce Jesus and that the Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness, that Jesus regularly cast out demons etc. So if you hold to the inerrancy of scriptures, angels and demons certainly exist.
How did you come to the conclusion that the scriptures are inerrant? Would love to hear the thought process you went through.
@@christiang4497 do you think they are? Do you have any examples?
@@ByGraceThroughFaith777 Psalm 14:1 contains the statement “There is no God.” I presume we can agree that obviously that claim is erroneous! In fact the passge explains it is an error by prefacing it with 'The fool says in his heart...' So the claim of inerrancy has to be more nuanced, and instead claims that the Bible is inerrant _in what it teaches._ So that statement is an error, but it is true that _fools_ make such errors. Sadly not all examples of fools saying erroneous things are so clearly delineated, so caution is advised before cherry picking "proof texts".
If Angels and demons are spoken about in the Holy Bible then IT IS REAL. And they are! You can't accept and ignore as you please. As followers of Christ we are told to believe only the scriptures and not what anyone else terms as truth. If it isn't corroborated in the bible it's not true. You both need to ask God to reveal the truth to you. If you are not asking God to direct you then you are not really interested in the supernatural at that level. It is definitely 'over your head right now, out of your league' , but mostly 'out of your will house'. And that's all you should have said. Do enough your research before you negate things and air your views on things of God that you have no knowledge of.
It’s not one strange verse, there are many instances of angels and demons appearing in Gospel. Most importantly if Jesus said so, then it’s true, because you know who He is - He is the Truth. ❤
When will you have more Orthodox guests on? I found the last one very interesting, but, he seemed pretty new to the faith.
Yo! I see the book "The New Testament in its World" on his shelf. I have that book too! I see Dr. Garte is a man of culture as well 😉
I clicked the link for the "free stuff" and I don't see any downloadable link on that page for the free e-book.
How about physical and metaphysical instead of natural supernatural?
Read "Demonic Foes" if you haven't already. It was written by a clinical psychiatrist. That completely changed my view on demons.
Dr. Sy Garte at 4:07-6:13: _"... Uh and I told you, that time, uh, varies depending on how fast you go. _*_So if you go really really fast time really slows down._*_ You would say, well that's nonsense and it sounds like supernatural magical nonsense. _*_But it's true._*_ It, it might have been supernatural. We would probably think of that and many other things, that we've discovered in physics in the last 100 years - we would think of that as supernatural back then_ (1880) _and _*_now of course we know, that the speed of light being constant and time being variable is a natural true, uh, fact of science._*_ The same would be true for, you know, things like, uh, quantum, uh, superposition and and many other things, that have become known in science, but that would have been considered supernatural. You can even take that to the point of, you know, going back a little further and using any of our current technology - for example: what I'm doing right now uh talking to a bunch of people I, I don't know, you know, uh, on a screen. That would have been considered supernatural, if you tried to describe it to somebody, you know, a few hundred years ago. So it changes and that's very important to know, because things, that we now consider to be supernatural, um, many of them may turn out to be not or at least on the border. Now I think, there is a supernatural, that will not ever become, you know, move into the, into the realm of the natural and that includes for example God, the kingdom of heaven, things, which just don't fit in any way, I can imagine, into a natural world, into something, that could be approachable by science. But I would be very cautious about saying exactly where that boundary is, because as I said, it shifts all the time and I leave it at that."_
Great!!! Finally some theist, who understands, that TIME IS RELATIVE and not absolute.
Would you be so kind as to also explain this to William Lane Craig - *"Doctrine of God Part 6: God's Relationship to Time"* by ReasonableFaithOrg ( czcams.com/video/s-JD2TDtEuU/video.html )
Craig at 18:16-18:50 in that mentioned video of his:
_"..._ [According to B-theory of time] _rather everything in time is spread out kind of like a spatial line and everything is equally existent. For the people in 1868, 1868 is now. For the people in 2015, 2015 is now. For the people in 5030, 5030 is now. _*_If you say, which one is really now, the answer is there is no real now. It is just each of their subjective personal perspectives, none of which is objectively true._*_ "_
Further Craig at 23:57-24:57:
_"In my book I weigh the arguments for and against these theories_ [A- and B-theory] _of time. Without trying to go into that this morning let me simply say that _*_it is universally acknowledged that the A-theory or the tensed theory is the common-sense view of time. This is the layman's view._*_ Things really do come to be and pass away. There really is a present and that is different from the past and future. _*_This common-sense view is rooted in our experience of temporal becoming - as we experience the passage of time and things coming to be and passing away. I see no reason to deny that experience. It seems to me that we are perfectly rational with what our experience tells us: that in fact temporal becoming is objective and there is a difference between past, present and future_*_ ..."_
No. The fact is that, time is not an absolute thing. *TIME IS RELATIVE!* Or to say, that that time is subjective to any frame of reference and that is the objective/ultimate truth about time or time and space: *"Why is Time Relative?"* by The Science Asylum ( czcams.com/video/TzupkDwOXEM/video.html )
That is the "common-sense view" since Einstein - for the last century or so.
That's the current state of affairs and the current "layman's view".
So yes, for the people in 1868, 1868 is now and for the people in 2015, 2015 is now and for the people in 5030, 5030 is now. Yes, it is each of their subjective personal perspectives AND any one of them is objectively true in the subjective sense, since TIME IS RELATIVE and because of Einstein's first postulate of any (inertial) frame of reference being relative to each other or to say, that *there is no absolute (inertial) frame of reference.*
I Love Sy Garte may not completely agree with him on this still love him still my Brother in Christ
I think you should consider your same take on the distinction between "natural" and "supernatural" when you consider the idea of identifying "agency" where it doesn't exist. From a deterministic materialist perspective, there isn't really a concise line between agency and non-agency either. Our actions would all be resultant of the same basic forces and matter which cause leaves on trees to blow in the wind.
Good point. ~Natural, tends to be all those things we have the current tools to study. Everything else, people tend to think Supernatural. So it becomes a function of our current tool set.
but every time we discover something new the answer is natural, never supernatural. the supernatural has NEVER had ANY evidence that EVER confirmed its existence.
@@rationallyjustified I think the problem still remains. What is a scenario where we say, "we will never be able to study it, it is supernatural", versus the typical, "We may not have an answer yet, but we are still searching for one until it is found". Honest question, curious what you think.
@@drewcrawford394 there is no evidence of any supernatural and everytime we had a god shaped question we answered it with science and evidence. we dont have all the awners and may never but how is not knowing but claiming you do help especially when the same book promotes other hateful anti scientific ideas and discriminates against so many
@@rationallyjustifiedThinking, free will and all those abstract things like love and compassion are all supernatural. The big bang is not natural.
@@johnglad5 No, it's not. It's biology. Love is a chemical reaction the supernatural doesn't exist. No one ever has proved the supernatural. There is zero evidence for it and a lot of evidence against it. We know what happened and the big bang down to 32 trillionths of a second but no disregard all of science because you read some book and you believe in ghosts... what the f*** is wrong with people
Any chance we’ll see you interview David Gushee? I would love to see Christian ethics discussed on this channel!
*Science & God Q&A with Dr. Sy Garte & Cameron Bertuzzi
The pen clicking…
This!!!!! Drove me nuts
Check out Nelson Walters. He is very good about explaining Revelation
Cam have Dr. Denis Lamoureux on!
He’s a great Christian biologist and theologian.
Also Francis Collins would be cool.
He’s not a great theologian man. Neither is Collins. Collins is likely not even a Christian given his slimy behavior during the pandemic era
@@jordandthornburg I keep seeing this stuff about Collins poor behaviour but I think people are severely overreacting. I mean why wouldn’t he want to silence harmful misinformation?
@@MACHO_CHICO it isn’t harmful misinformation. It’s something he didn’t like and no you don’t dishonestly silence it, you refute it if it’s false. He didn’t do that though.
@@jordandthornburg People spinning conspiracy theories about the vaccine is indeed harmful misinformation. It will stop people from taking it and people will suffer as a consequence no matter how you want to put it.
@@MACHO_CHICO it wasn’t that. Go look into the details. You don’t use force to shut down your opponents by force amd conspiracy and if it’s false you refute them. What kind of nonsense are you saying? Is this how you think? Should we shut down by force all people who say “harmful things” as defined by you?
Interesting interview, thanks for this.
What I don't understand is how you can believe in the Bible and the worldview therein and not acknowledge the existence of demons and angels?!
The Bible is absolutely clear about what angels and demons are, that they exist, and that they both play a significant role in both the spiritual as well as the material world.
A lot of Christians don't commit to this, as they are "liberal", and basically not 100% supporting the Bible to be more likeable etc.
I didn't think this was the case with Cameron and Sy, though, so what's up?
I have to think more about the point of removing natural and supernatural as a label. But why Jesus, God, Holy Ghost, and angels wouldn’t want to be transparent about some of this doesn’t make sense to me.
Is it really inferring if the scripture clearly tells you that angels & demons were present in the life of Jesus & most of the Saints of the Old & New Testaments...I would think as a Christian you would be hard-pressed to argue against their existence.
Exorcisms where devils appear and miracles of saints where angels appear...documented realities. check out Padre Pio a 20th century saint.
If Angels and demons are spoken about in the Holy Bible then IT IS REAL. And they are! You can't accept and ignore as you please. As followers of Christ we are told to believe only the scriptures and not what anyone else terms as truth. If it isn't corroborated in the bible it's not true. You both need to ask God to reveal the truth to you. If you are not asking God to direct you then you are not really interested in the supernatural at that level. It is definitely 'over your head right now, out of your league' , but mostly 'out of your will house'. And that's all you should have said. Do enough your research before you negate things and air your views on things of God that you have no knowledge of.
Angels r just created beings like ourselves
"Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves." Philippians 2:3
Humbly serve others following the perfect example of Jesus. He said that He came not to be served but to serve others and give His life for others. (Matthew 20:28). Let us be humbled by the awesomeness and greatness of God and the unworthiness of ourselves. CS Lewis said that true humility is not thinking less of yourselves but rather thinking of yourself less. Let us look each day for opportunities to serve God and thus others, and be empowered by the Spirit to do these things glorifying God. Hopefully this impacted you positively today. God bless you!
Dude. Stop clicking the pen
I've been less and less enamored with science vs God dichotomy. There is no science without God because science is the belief that things are fixed and rational not chaotic and without a design that can be found out by investigation. Ironically chaos and design lacking have become the new premises of hi Church of scientism
@@AwesomeWrench wrong. The history of higher education is the history of the church. Go back and look at the foundation of your Ivy League schools, while they try to hide it now, it was the search for for a better understanding of the universe in light of the creator that was their Genesis
@@AwesomeWrench humans invented science based on the presupposition that nature was knowable and consistent which is actually anathema to the entire idea of evolution. Which is why your peer review, actually ends up being nothing but gatekeeping, the first thing you need to realize is that scientists are human and humans are never unbiased.
@@AwesomeWrench what is actually knowable in a deterministic worldview? Not much...
Wrong. Science is a process for gathering and verifying information. Your unproven god claim is completely irrelevant.
What is interesting to me is the fundamental difference between the evolution vs creation debate. All of the evidence that we have today, strongly supports evolution and a natural process. We have zero evidence of a supernatural beginning. As an atheist and firm believer in science, I am able to reason by thinking "We don't have all the answers yet, but we should continue to pursue them." While a creationist thinks "We don't have all the answers yet, so god." To me, that is lazy. Some of the most fascinating questions we have about our existence and our universe have "I don't know" as the answer. That should excite us and motivate us to find those answers.
What? I can understand saying we can find an way to study demons which we already have but saying that demons where just mental illness and not another entity. The scripture tells us that Satan was an angel and along with him 1/3 of all the angels fell with him and we actually see the opposite happening in scripture there are times where instead of healing the sick Jesus cast out a demon and the sickness went away because the implications is that the deformity or physical illnesses can be caused by a demon not the other way around not that the sickness is causing people to think there is a demon also this wouldn't work with Jesus saying that when a Demon is casted out he roams around and he would come back with 7 others stronger than it. Etc etc etc
Angels and demons are clearly revealed to us in the Bible. Both Old and New Testament. Inerrancy of Scriptures.
This is very true. Lots of books can say things, but does that mean it’s true?
Exorcisms where devils appear and miracles of saints where angels appear...documented realities. check out Padre Pio a 20th century saint.
CC doesn't like the term "supernatural" because it has negative connotations. :)
It is not the term. The irrational thing is to think that the supernatural exists. The resurrection, the immaculate conception, souls, heaven, hell, god, etc. have negative connotations if they are estimated rationally.
Garte says that scientists know that science is not the only method of gaining knowledge. scientific knowledge? LOL :) I don't know if it's bad faith, ignorance or self-conviction.
It is strange and contradictory that CC doubts about possible false interpretations of agency regarding angels and demons and does not use the same criteria in cases of agency attributed to God.
What is the name of the psychiatrist who saw a patient with symptoms of possession and estimated that there was nothing wrong with that patient?
Another Dawkins-level genius 🙄
@@jimnewl :)
Actually it would be super interesting to talk to your psychiatrist, Eduarda. What kind of psychopathology would lead someone to say things like “Christians are not fit to live in Secular societies” as you did… such hate speech surely involves some serious deep seated issues… is that what drives your compulsion to spend so much time being an anti-theist , Anti-Christian evangelist when you could actually be doing something productive?
Spoken like a true verificationist.
@@WhatsTheTakeaway I reject any metaphysical interpretation (that is not hypothetical) but at the same time I do not believe that it is possible to absolutely verify the correspondence between concepts and reality.
Everything is just a matter of probabilities without them being able to be determined one hundred percent certain.
Why so confused about angles and demons ..?? They believe in Jesus and God. But they other things are too much a..? So silly.
If anyone is believe believing. It makes it clear with doubt. That demons are real and from hell. And Angels are real. An angel told Mary Jesus would be born.
Do ether of these guys claim to be Christian? Unbelievable!
Thanks, Incredibly stupid, very cool!
Xtians: Jesus MAGICALLY transferred the Demons into Pigs (Matthew 8:28)
Same Xtians: The bible has many scientific teachings; the bible and Science are not in conflict.
LOL
Atheists: I dont know what created the universe.
Also atheists: But it wasn't God!
😆😆🤣
@@WhatsTheTakeaway Xtians: "My Invisible Sky Daddy DID MAGIC" and he killed his junior and MAGICALLY forgave other peoples sins.
LOL
@@sanjeevgig8918 Atheists: I came from a rock!
😘
@@sanjeevgig8918 can you define “magic” for us?
@@sanjeevgig8918 why do angry internet atheists always have the most shallow understanding of religion lmao.
Best evidence of a god, and…. GO
Best evidence for materialism and…. GOOOOOOO !!!!!
@@mkl2237 it is the only thing we have reliable methodology to explore/explain. As far as I am aware it is the only thing we have demonstrable evidence of.
@@truthseeker7867 nope. The term is much more precise than you use it.
Of course we have evidence innthe material world. Both theists and materialists agree. We do science. Smart scientists in both camps.
That is far different than materialISM… the belief that only the material realm exists and there can not possibly be more to reality. Sorry.. but you can’t prove that.
ScientISM is also not the same as science.
Plenty of smart scientists make inferences to the best explanation of what we DO see … and conclude there’s a creator. And immaterial realities.
There’s also other things to test Christian claims… and conclude that materialism is false.
You want to test the material realm? Cool. Join along with scientists (theist and materialist alike)… but you can’t prove materialism is true. And you can’t account for all of reality as we know it in materialistic terms.
The burden to prove materialISM accounts for all of reality is just as much your burden as it is for theists to provide evidence for God. You haven’t done that. And the eyes too many lines of theistic argument to go into here.
Studying the material world (science) is NOT the same as scientISM and you can’t prove materialISM is true. In fact… it falls short based on what we DO see all around us.
Go !
@@truthseeker7867 What is "demonstrable evidence"? Evidence that only supports your presupposed worldview?
@@WhatsTheTakeaway no, it is evidence that is available and able to be verified by anyone.