Surefire EDC2-DFT Best EDC light ?
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- čas přidán 4. 11. 2023
- This new Surefire EDC2-DFT light is honestly probably the last handheld light you will ever need. Surefire really does stand behind their lifetime warranty. They replaced my 15 year old X300 with a brand new 1000 Lumen model after it starting have some issues with the battery door area. They didn't ask for proof of purchase or anything. I plan on uploading another video comparing the EDC2-DFT to its smaller brother the EDC1-DFT and then maybe one more video comparing the EDC2-DFT to a Modlite, not sure if it'll be the PLH or OKW head, maybe both!
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The fact that you went out the next day with a range finder to measure the throw distance of the homeless lady earned you a new subscriber. Great video!
Lol I appreciate it, thank you!
Distance in meters and you seem honest and down to earth kind of guy is a plus. Thumbs up 👍 and subscribed.
Thank you, I really appreciate it!
Fantastic review! A ton of good details too. Great story about having it on for 30 minutes and not having an issue, stay safe out there!
Thank you, means a lot!
I carried a p3x fury for years. That light was unbelievable when it came out. I carry a Malkoff Devices stuff now. They sell drop ins for the old Surefire 6p, and their hound dog light is awesome. Nice video.
Thank you! You're the second person to mention malkoff. I'm going to have to check them out.
Awesome little thrower. My first sure fire L4 digital lumamax 100lm gets very hot quickly but still going strong. It’s probably at least 20 years old. Technology of led flashlights has really improved to say the least.
I have the same one..14 years of solid service still looks new even..👍🏻
Oh man, the Digital Lumamax was THE SHIT once upon a time.
Im a bondsman for 2A year's and have searched ALOT of houses and properties, I'm also big into lights. The perfect light I have found for houses and nearby property lines is a surefire E2T mv tactician, it is PLENTY bright enough, also does not cause white light blindness in a house, it does to run hot around the bezel with extended use. As for a primary back up light in a bag or car I keep a olight warrior 3s it's a good light but to bright for inside use it will cause light blindness for sure. And for a small back up in my back pocket a olight 3eos, those have been my primary work and EDC set ups and work very well with year's of real world use.
Thanks for the show on the 2.I purchased this over The 1 , because of the 18650 Battery .Better Candela with a longer runtimes sold me . I wish they could have made this a little smaller, but I understand why ,due to the 18650 battery. I have some really good throwers in my collection AceBeam 30GT/K70/Manker MK38/3X21D/L8/L7. I felt it was time to purchase a American made product, although they tend to be a little bit more pricey. I should receive this torch tomorrow and I want to thank you for going out there to do the hard work showing off some really nice torches happy new year.
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words. Happy New year to you too! I'm curious to know what you think of it once you get it and have had time to compare it to your other lights.
@@CivilianWarrior will do ,it just came today. I picked it up in tan .I got a great price on it for $279. surefire was asking $349 a bit of a difference in price.what a pain in the but to get it out of the packaging. I like to keep my boxes, oh well.The other lights that I mentioned all have 90.2 admitters, they get real hot real fast.The Nitecore TM 39 is one of my favorites. It a $400 torch that runs on 4 18650 hydrated. It has a throwing distance of a little over 1600 m. what’s nice about that light is it’s 5200 lm,and it pushes out 562,500 Candela. The nice thing about that light is you could run it on turbo for a good 6 1/2 to 7 minutes with no problem. I have some other crazy ones like the X 75 that son of a gun is pushing 67,000 lm with a heat sink and fans. but I have to admit that SureFire is a great design. The nice thing about the torch is you could run it on high still produce 100,000 Candela .the beauty about this light is the lumens are only banging 700 lm and that keeps the torch not running too hot . just gives you a great runtime on Turbo and delivers 100,000 Candella. 😳The problem with the 90.2 lights as you probably know most of them run too Hot, which doesn’t give you a long run time on Turbo. There are a select few that can do that like I said before the TM 39 and the K 75, but the majority of them can’t run like the surefire. I’ll let you know what I think about this torch. hey you must’ve pissed off those people in the houses lol I signed up for your channel. Keep up the good work my brother.🔦💪
That's a nice savings over the original asking price. Nitcore is sending me two of their new lights. One just has 1000 lumens but the other one has more, I think it's called edc33. I plan on going back to the same location, see if I can light up those homes again lol. I appreciate you subscribing and for the other info you shared. I reached out to Modlite to see if they could lend me one of their hog lights for review but they said all their spares are allocated for shot show. I'll ask them again after 🤞
@@CivilianWarrior I like both of those companies in the light world.The hog series are heavy punchers for their size.That would be nice if they could give you one of their torches. I like the Nitecore brand. They make some excellent lights.one of my favorites is the TM 39.I have the short body the little giant. I like to be able to swap my batteries out. I did the same thing with my Manker MK38 SFT 40.I chose to go with the one that you can swap the batteries out . Batteries are getting better and better with technology. Don’t get me wrong. It’s a lot easier to plug in.. with the TM 39 you can remove the body on that torch and let me tell you it throws 1600 m and produces 5200 lm. But with the Manker if you buy the battery pack where you can plug-in without removing the batteries that is not removable so once that goes, you’re stuck with a $400 light. The reason why I went with the SFT 40 over the 42,000 lm is because the SFT 40 has the capabilities of punching 1300 m. with the 40,000 lm 70.twos it’s more of a floodlight and gives you the capabilities of going 800 m with that light. I’ll tell you something I ended up getting today my other Manker came in the morning my MK 35 -11. oh my God what a piece of equipment. this light is punching out 2000 m 6000 lm 1 million Candela. If you get a chance please google that. i’m looking forward to your next broadcast. I’m not kidding man. You do a real good job with your facial expressions. And the way you get your words across in an excellent manner. You also know your product very well when you’re talking about it, which makes it really easy to follow you throughout the process. Good luck with your career out there my man keep up the good work I’ll be watching.
Sorry for the late reply, appreciate everything you said. Like you I like being able to swap out my batteries. Never been a fan of lights that need to be plugged in inorder to be recharged.
I received the light today! Mine is the tan EDC1-DFT. It's great! The finish is matte and slightly rougher than other black anodised Surefires. One thing I didn't realise is how much longer it is compared to my EDCL1-T, which is expected, but Surefire's numbers aren't accurate and need updating, I feel.
The throw is great. No TIR on this one, which makes its beam profile a little wonky but haven't seen a perfect beam shape since incan.
I find the runtime is a little short, but since I'll be carrying it with me, the size of the light is good. I do also find the larger lights to be too unweildy and risk being left unused.
Let see how the finish holds up in a few years.
It's CeraKote. It won't wear too well.
Thanks for answering my question in the video.
Yeah absolutely, thanks for asking!
Yes, the battery charging units that do more than one cell at a time do in fact charge them at the same time for the same amount of power as though you were only charging one. Since they are usually plugged into household mains this simply means that they consume a little bit more power when being used to their capacity than if you are only charging a single cell. Of course I am talking about quality charger units versus cheap junk that may be trickle charging your cells once 4.2 volts is reached. Until now I wasn't even aware that Surefire had continued developing new models of the EDC lights. Although I am disappointed that they have simply done the old Surefire thing of making more expensive lights instead of trying to meet a market where people might actually spend $100-$175 on a light that they may never need to replace.
Well done bro!!! Ya earned a subscriber with these vids. Hopefully we could get the guys over at Surefire to put a gas pedal switch on these things. You should show how they’d sit in the front pocket of some blue jeans since that’s probably how we’d be living with them most of the time. I’m personally curious to know if the wider bezels would protrude too much and make us look a little dorkier than usual 😅
Thank you I appreciate that! I'll include your suggestion of the blue jeans and pockets in the next video comparing the EDC 1 to the larger version. Probably upload that in 1.5 to 2 weeks. Have to upload a Mira safety mask video this week but I appreciate your suggestions!
Thats a nice torch!
I have the surefire charger that came with the original 600 Scout DF. It seems to charge both of the batteries at the same time. I’m going to completely drain two batteries and recharge them at the same to be sure.
I could be wrong but to answer your question at ~10 min, “good” battery chargers will provide the same amount of regulated power to each battery compartment respectively. The only change is in the rate at which it charges in that the charger that I use (I use a 4 bay Efest charger) is able to charge 2 batteries at 2 amps (each) however if 4 batteries charging simultaneously, the charging rate drops to 1 amp (each). I hope that helps bro- loved your vid ❤️🔦
Yup that answers my question. Thank you for commenting, appreciate it and thank you, glad you loved it!
@@CivilianWarrior not a problem my dude!! 🍻
I've been using the Surefire EDCL2-T since 2018. Literally every day, it's been the best light I've ever owned. I think it might be time for an upgrade!
Great video, thanks for the content!
I’m with you on this. But won’t switch over until the put the same switch on the new one.
@@FlowBaka or at least have an option/upgrade for it. Unless it's in the programming of the chip then it is what it is I guess.
Thank you I appreciate it! I'm kinda jealous of people getting into flashlights for the first time bc one's likes these will last forever and surefire really does stand behind their products. They replaced a 15 year old scratch, dented x300 that had chips on the glass with a brand new 1000 lumen version. So buying one of these could very well be the last handheld light one ever buys. And they didn't replace it bc I had a yt channel, it was before I started this and they still don't know who I am so it wasn't a special case or treatment.
@@CivilianWarrior same here, I've had several old ones replaced. Takes them months but hey, they do it!
I sent you an email btw.
what are he requirements for them to replace it? Non-functioning?@@shadowdefensive
Thank you for awesome review.
Thank you for watching!
I've been carrying the eagtac D25LC2 for a couple years
For a 700lumen light, the throw is commendable.
Although the candela is more a testament to the reflector and beam angle than the emitter.
Typically a thrower isn’t considered EDC unless you are in search and rescue or LE.
Generally EDC flashlights are floods or hybrids.
At $300+ this Surefire is very expensive and frankly quite outdated.
On the contrary, a Nitecore MH25Pro is about $100!
It throws to 705m at 124,300 candela!
It runs at 1200 lumens for 2.5 hours. 3000 lumens for 30 mins!
Much more mature battery technology and the latest emitter technology.
This is only one of the many ‘throwers’ in the market with a high candela rating.
Others include Olight Warrior X Pro, Cyansky K3 V2, Klarus XT12 GT Pro, Thrunite Catapult Pro and the Wurkkos TD01 to name just a few.
Fenix PDR40R V3.0 great light along with the catapult pro.Thunight gives you the best bang for the money.
@@jlappin6277 Certainly.
Surefire had its run a couple of decades ago.
Too expensive given the extraordinary range we have these days from other SOLID brands.
Agreed totally with you on your comment. Their prices are ridiculous when you compare them to the brand that doesn’t mean that there lights are not quality lights they are 🔦
yep. over priceced. when they did torture test, other brands that arent markteted for toughness and reliability beat them. surfires are mid range lights with high range prcetag@@madsmix
They just can't keep up with the technology. Or they don't want to. American Arrogance? hahaha... but seriously. so behind.
Also, your reviews are really good.
Thank you!!
I've dumped all my regulated lights.
I have 2 Malkoff's with different heads that can be switched between the single and twin batt tubes.
On and off Everytime .
All the heads are dual switch,
The simplest ,toughest most reliable lights I ever owned,and that's over 60 yrs.
I gave all my regulated regulated lights away ,and will never look back.
I'll have to check them out. Thanks!
@@CivilianWarrior you can gets multable heads for one tube ,if you need to.the dual switch is very different,you turn the head between high and low ,the switch and resistor is actually a brass plate machined to perform as a switch and resistor.
I have the M61 HIGH /LOW and the wild cat .
And bought just the M61 GOT V 2 Head only.
I switch all the bodies back and forth between dif heads.
I know they are not cheap
But they will be the last lights I'll ever need.
Don't let the lower out the front lumens scare you
away they are brighter than you would think.
I'm getting a hound dog head and then I'll have all the light I need.
I will never own another regulated light.
Thanks for this info. I need to check this brand.
@@LK-bz9sk I know they are not cheap ,but I spent so much on regulated lights that fail .
I just bought another head,a thrower,
Now I'm set 2 dif bodies 3 heads ,2 years no problems.tge customer service is great too.
Any questions feel free.
Great video Sir! Thank you!
Thanks for watching
Would you choose edc 1 or 2 if you could only have one for edc .
Honestly for the same price as that surefire you can get the Modlite hog with the OKW head and get 170,000 candela yeah it’s bigger but you can get a different head for the light body that has more of a flood but you still get 120,000 Candela Modlite for the win 🙌🏽
sorry if i missed this detail in the video but does this light have the same removable head as their weapon lights? will the head swap between other surefire dual fuel and DF turbo heads? reason i ask is i have a Modlite 850nm IR head i use with NOD's and I do like the body style of thios light, it would be nice to be able to use the IR head with this body and/or swap the Turbo head onto a rifle if I wanted too. thanks for your T&E making the videro.
I wish you would’ve compared it to the smaller EDC1-DFT as well. I’m trying to decide between the 1 or 2 T.
I'm uploading that video in two weeks
That's 700 lumens? Wow! SureFire really is the gold standard for flashlights! I'll save up for one!
I really miss when Surefire was just making good, useable lights. I would love to see them make an easily pocketable light(~1 in diameter head) with 35000+ candela and a low mode at 5-15 lumens with a gas pedal switch or twist head interface. Oh well, dare to dream! Great review, Thanks!
Thank you! The edc1 dft is pretty close. They just need to offer the gas pedal switch. I've read a lot of comments regarding that so hopefully they'll come across my vid and see what we all want and make it happen 🤞
At close to $300, it's impractical. I carry G2X, the pro version gives a high [ 600 lumens ] and low [ 15 lumens ] option, and it's $ 80.
Kind of agree with you, only thing is it definitely depends on what your application is. If you really need to get out there with some light over some distance, this thing is absolutely second to none pound for pound.
@flyoverkid55 You should try the Olight Javelot Mini. For price/performance, you cant beat it!
@@chaystonwestmoreland9042 I'll look into it.
Try out the E2T Mv tactician half the price it's a awesome light for work/duty/edc I've been using it for this for a few years and highly recommend it
Lumens vs candela and the specific need matter. The EDC2 with 700 lumens has 100,000 candela. The G2X has 600 lumens but on 8700 candela, which is fine indoors or a small backyard but not for someone needed to reach out great distances, which some of us want and need. EDC2 has hi/low, high candela and takes 18650 batteries in a durable package, which suits my needs. (I do hate the pocket clip design, so it's not perfect). The G2X is a good light, different applications require different tools. I like the G2X over the lights with electronic switches and lots of unnecessary modes.
I got the modlite hog light as my EDC and it comes with a two battery charging tray and two batteries on it. They charge up at the same time in the trade. It comes with the hog light. It charges different batteries across the board because the hog has the 2700 batteries but according to mod light, it charges all the 18s as well
Good to know, thank you!
You EDC the Hog!?
@@WhadayanoJoeI do too 😂
Liked, shared, commented, subscribed, bell rung, upvoted ..... may the algorithm gods smile favorably upon your channel.
Thank you, I really appreciate it!!
to add to my comment if you're looking for a good bay charger I highly recommend the nitecore intelligent chargers. The one that has two buttons on it so that you can choose what you charge the batteries at. You can charge them as low as 100ma or as high as 1000ma 100 would be your trickle charge that gives you the best performance and battery longevity. But if you just need a battery quickly then you can use the 1000 and it will charge a typical 18650 in like 30 minutes i think? I don't know. But they have a 2 bay and a 4 bay charger not sure about an 8. I have an 8 bay charger but it doesn't have the option to choose what the charge rate is.
Great vid. Can you swap the gas pedal tail cap from the EDCL2-T onto the EDC2-DFT? Curious if that will work.
Thank you. Unfortunately not, I tried it but must have forgotten to mention that
@@CivilianWarrior Gotcha. Appreciate the reply!
I have a flashlight "problem", but I can't say I see myself spending near $300 for one! Great review though!
Thanks! I'm giving away the Nitcore EDC33. So far no one has followed the instructions to be considered a contestant. If you want a good shot at getting it, go check out that video. Not as good as this one.
Great video. But I don't understand how a 800 lumens device can be brighter than the one with 1200 lumens? Or is it a matter of Candelas? The brighter one has more candelas...
Thank you. Yes and no, candelas and the shape of the reflector aka the inside of the light head also play a role in how far the light throw is.
Why’d they have to get rid of the gas pedal. Damn
Did they drop the “turbo” designation. I can’t find an EDC turbo anywhere on their website.
Try edc2-dft. Just searched myself and found it on their site.
Beam shits with the low, would have been very helpful. For edc, and administrative tasks, we need to see if the low is practical. Because the full power is to much for admin tasks. And if low allows for admin tasks and you still have the high for outdoors/tactical tasks....thats a big factor for people like myself, looking to potentially buy.
I dont think the turbo models have a high low function. I could be wrong but that is my understanding
Have 1 surefire weapons torch. They are very robust but it's disappointing how far behind they are in output. My EDC's are Jetbeams and Olights. Brighter, cheaper, and very reliable. 21700 or 18650 power supplies make them capable of 2000-4000 lumen output levels for 1/2 the price of the surefire. 21700 superior power supply over the 18650. Charge vis USB and use as power banks as well. The reflector on the sure EDC2-DFT is outstanding though. If I were in a war zone and had the money I'd consider that torch. But for how fast tech moves it's a lot of money for that torch if you're not in the most austere conditions where reliability is paramount.
Valid point!
I just discovered a Tiny Lumintop GT Micro that runs a small 14500 battery.
750 lumens with 163000 candela! And only $90! Phew!
The GT Micro is at 40$
I was hoping to see how usable is the low lumen and how far is the throw.
Sorry I forgot to show that but pretty sure I show it in the comparison video of the edc2 vs edc1
My Modlite has 170,000 Candela good for edc
"Are you a cop? You look like a cop, you know, you gotta tell me if your a cop man" 😂
Lol no not a cop
For an edc thrower, Weltool is where it's at.
I was recently sent a small Weltool for review, still testing it out.
@@CivilianWarrior looking forward to your impressions. If it's the T1 pro then it's pretty nice but maybe in a weird place where it's a touch too much hot spot for a lot of daily things but not enough candela (or runtime) to be great at heavier duty "tactical" tasks or longer distances. I like the Weltool T2 tac for bigger work and a microstream or something similar for typical close up, daily things. The surefire smokes the T2 tac on candela but it's also 3x the price.. it might be worth it but I would only put that kind of money on a pocket flashlight if I were using it professionally.
it depends on the charger. to be honest. and you are better off putting it in an actual battery charger because you will get a better charge and your batteries will not only last longer in the light but the life of your battery will be prolonged because your "tray" chargers charge full battery meaning all the cells will be charged. The slower the charge the better it is for your battery. if you notice your phone battery starts to not last as long as your phone get's older it's likely because you have it hooked up to a fast charger most of the time. if you want to maybe try and revive your battery in a phone or 18650 put it on a trickle charger and it will bring some life back to the cells. But chances are the damage is already done.
Awesome thanks for sharing, this and your other comment are very informative, appreciate it!
The battery’s in a battery charger if all four are placed in the charge .They all charge at the same rate of speed.
Thank you!
👍💯.Thanks.
They really need to put the gas pedal switch one these and I know atleast I would get it.
Agreed! Hopefully they see these comments bc a lot of people commenting are saying the same thing.
Best edc for the money right now. Has to be nitecore edc 33. Only $69 4000 lm
Nitcore is sending one for review
Nitecore is made in China. Buy Surefire, BUY AMERICAN!! 🇺🇸👍🏻😃
On Amazon the L1 dft is $233. 😳😲 no way I am paying that for a flashlight. It is a damn good light I am sure but there are too many good brands that don't cost that much. Then again i cant afford to buy one and throw it ina bag for 5 years without using it. Sounds like you have more money than you know what to do with. Good video though.
Nah I'm just financially irresponsible lol but thank you!
@@CivilianWarrior 😄
Sure fire finally updating LOL
You can put any 18650
Yes. I've used cloud defense and Modlite branded batteries, no problems
does the brightness drop when the battery runs out?
Yes, all lights begin the loose their brightness after a few minutes of constant use. Some brands more than others. Typically the advertised run time on flashlights refers to time the light runs from full power up until it is only putting out 10 percent of the total output. So for this light using a fully charged 18650 battery, you'll get the 100k candela. If you leave it on, you'll only be getting about 10k candelas of output at the 2.75 hours but also depends on if it's really hot outside or really cold. Hope that makes sense.
@@CivilianWarrior Thanks
When the battery runs out the brightness is reduced to zero .. 😂
🔦
I used some of your video reviews as a platform so thank you!
How long before it steps down?
These don't step down like other lights. They just slowly lose their output and take's a while to notice it.
Can you temporarily blind someone in daylight for self defence I know it would do in the dark
Is it programmable to run only on full power?
Nope.
No but it's what turns on first.
This surefire or the mod lite hog plh ?
I haven't seen the hog in person but I keep hearing the light head is really big and not ideal for pocket carry. Modlite hog is brighter but it's a larger battery too. I say that bc I was thinking it might be a good light in a get home bag🤷🏻♂️
Funny you're L-2 has been stowed...MINE is worn out...if you didn't use IT why would you use the EDC2-DFT?
Ignoring the judgmental tone in your comment, it was stored in my get home bag as a backup. Serves as a backup too in case I forget my primary, lose it or it gets damaged.
Is the button Single-Output?
Oh. nevermind. 8:42 I want to add that I wouldn't say I like select options for low and high output. Could you find a flashlight with a single-output option for your following review? 😅😅
Working on a hrt tac light with the omnidirectional switch but that's mounted to a firearm.
If Surefire is watching.... update to USB C
I'll tell them that if I go to shot show
I don’t like rechargeable lights and have a edcl 2 and love that I can have fresh recharged batteries ready to go especially since I live off grid in the mountains always have a min of 6 at all times and like the 5watt setting for doing stuff up close lol
Is this the one that optics planet had rerouting lol
Yeah USPS finally got their act together after it went back and forth between two states on the east coast 3 times lol
Lumintop gta can compete with this light😂 but it feels cheap on the hand because of the cheap aluminum and bad button but the beam is friggin good and its waaaaaaaaaay cheaper
👍🏽👍🏽
That shit is a laser beam lol
That was my initial thought too lol
290 for a flashlight damn why not make it affordable for the people oh yea it’s not about that 💰
That's the price for American made. If iPhones and Pixel phones were made in America they'd easily cost over $5k. No American is willing to do their current job for $2 an hour or even $5.
@@CivilianWarrior yea I guess your right buy once cry once.
Exactly! Nightcore just sent me their new edc33 light to do a review. Something tells me it'll be the last light they send me lol
Pistol parlour ?
looks like edc l2 is just a flood light, and the other one is overkill for most regular uses- you gonna blind the living shit out of yourself in small enviroment
How much is the new one going to be and is it just one mode?(nevermind its 2 modes at 350)
We all know the real reason the tan costs more.
Why's that?
Because tan is cool and black is lame.😂
@@guyshamblin9032 🤣
The light is OK, but way overpriced. There are other good options at 1/3 of the price.
grossly overpriced when other companies are churning out better and brighter technology
Sure, until you drop it or get it wet. Then you’ll wish you didn’t buy cheap Chinese trash. Above I read a post from a guy that bought a Nitecore. Out of the box he flipped it on, it flashed once, shut off and never turned on again lol 🤣!! 🤬 China, buy American 💪🏻🇺🇸👍🏻😃!!
Lol its to big also it doesnt hold a candle to the flashlights that are on the market night kore has it in the bag .
$300!? Just get a Cloud Defensive
Cloud's are like $250 so not much cheaper, plus no one pays MSRP for this stuff. Got my EDC1-DFT for $210 out the door
@@Actual-userI just got the MCH Duty a couple weeks ago, it uses the rechargeable batter or 123As, also got a discount on it but still about $215
@@Actual-user All the current MCH variants are dual-fuel models.
Cloud? 😂😂😂
@@electricraft98yep, got my cloud for $160.
Let me guess… it’s $900 😂
$225 if you find it on sale
NOT impressed.
Nice light but WAY OVERPRICED! There are many equal or better lights for less money. Surefire has lagged behind in the led flashlight market and is now no longer competitive.
The words 'edc light' and 'surefire' have absolutely no business being in the same sentence.