CANON R5: UNLIMITED 4KHQ & 8K RECORDING - NO MODS NEEDED
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- A surprising discovery of how I was able to get over 3 hours of continuous 4KHQ (and 8K) recording on the Canon R5. NOTE: AMBIENT ROOM TEMP was BETWEEN 80-85 F for ALL TESTS. All testing were done with 2 hours of cool down time between tests.
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UPDATE: According to the Atomos Website the Canon R5 WILL BE ABLE TO EXPORT 8k via the HDMI 2 connection on the camera to the ATOMOS NINJA V+. (www.atomos.com/products/ninja...) This means that using this method with the NINJA V+ should work and be effective with the R5 once Canon releases a firmware update (slated for later in 2021)
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CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
0:45 Unlocking 4KHQ
1:58 A Note about being nice
2:44 TEST #1 - LCD Open or Closed
3:47 TEST # 2 - Dummy Battery
5:07 A Revelation
5:38 4KHQ DURATION TEST #1
7:37 4KHQ DURATION TEST #2
9:18 4KHQ DURATION TEST #3
10:12 Test Limits
11:10 The Overheating Culprit
11:45 Important Note
12:23 8K Duration Test
15:00 Caveats
16:50 Photography Note
17:16 Conclusion
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Listen, to not even be getting paid for this video but still doing work to share with the people! Love it. Bet a lot of people will be excited to find this out
This is the best explanation about R5 overheating issues. My brother, I appreciate all you professional experience, wisdom and your humble way to teach us. Thanks and bless for you!
That's great news! Thank you for publishing this!
This is the best real world test that any body has bothered to do that has tracked down the cause of overheating in the canon R5. I like your method and your conclusion. Well done.
This video deserves more attention! Great findings! You gave me hope on keeping on using my R5! Thanks!!
Thank you! This video really helped me a lot with my R5. You're doing a great job!
I like your videos. I think you're on the right path as far as instructional photography is concerned. You're covering ground a lot of other channels aren't.
What a great video! Thanks for this! You've just solved an issue of thousands of people!
You sir are amazing for this! I don’t even have the camera yet and I’m super thankful for this video. It’s on the way!
I’m now 3x subscribed. Dare I say… This is the most underrated camera channel on CZcams. Thank you for your content and I hope this channel grows to levels you never dreamed. I learn so much from your videos and demonstrations. As it relates to this video, any thoughts on the new Atomos Ninja V+ and what it offers (esp when Canon release the update) for external 8k recording and whether that will be a work around to this issue? Probably your theory of having the EVF on will still produce overheating issues with external recording? Thoughts?
Thanks so much! I am very interested in testing this out with a NInja V+. In theory based on my tests, as long as R5 allows the 8K signal out of the HDMI, and you can get your hands on an 8K external recorder (like the Atomos V+) you should be able to record for upwards of 3 hours on it, because with exteranl recording you can set the EVF to shut off after 3 minutes. Now that being said, because 8K is so new I'm not quite sure what type of weird crippling that Canon may have instituted, but I am really excited to find out. Thanks so much for the comment and I hope you have an awesome day!
thanks so much for sharing this. If you're using cinema lenses and pulling focus, there really isn't much of down side. This is a great.
Legit! How has no one else discovered this yet?! Great video!
Also, do you have to be recording externally for the screen to shut off? I was going to try it with just an external monitor but I can't seem to get it going!
He is not the first to find this out. I have not heard of anyone else turning off the EVF but it turns itself off if I do not look through it.
This was discovered last year in Aug by No Life on youtube
Excellent video! Your channel is gonna grow big time.
Great info.... as I watched this I checked both my R5 and R6 and amazingly I had set my LCD to shut off at 1 min and EVF at 3 min in order to preserve battery life and solely monitored the image via the Ninja V. Little did I know it also inadvertently helped with overheating which explains why I haven't run into the overheating issue.
Even though i own r5 and never have i tested specific overheat tests. Lcd, evf off set up for longer duration shoot is eye opening! Thanks for sharing:)
You need more subscribers. You're way more interesting than FroKnows and your test results are no doubt more practical. Thank you for your videos.
Awesome! Thanks for your time and efforts!
This is great news and great content. Well presented from a pro. Thanks!
This is fantastic! You should have been an actor, its not too late. You have a good character.
Thank you! An easy to understand test even for me :) helped me a lot!!
I think this is good enough. You're now equal figure as Edison on the R5/R6 line to me. I bought them as they have many attracitve features(great color science for taking portraits for the company I work for, internal 10 bit Clog raw, 4kHQ, 8k, 4k60,4k120 etc.), which is only matched by A1 at 3k more. And panasonic is not catching up with that AF any time sooner. But I ended up found that I can only focus on shooting B-rolls with these by shooting short bursts to get jobs done. The overheating issue bothers me every night to the point I was thinking about buying a Z6II for the long interviews that I frequently do. Now this saves me big bucks from that. Obviously it has its drawbacks but I would be happy to know that all my pain would to be go through those long continuous footage and doing cuts to achieve 8k level quality for deliverying any projects. It is just some longer time sitting in front of a computer scratching hairs waiting for CPU codings compared to an impossible option previously, and I'd be happy to make that choice in a heart beat. And hour long 4k60/4k120 is definitely way way more than enough for B-roll galleries. Suddenly my R5/R6 transformed from a mere “B-roll specilist with a timed bomb strapped onto 'em", to the ultimate video tool which I'm looking at TV broadcast level cameras in my possession. Canon probably hates you for crack open the secret. But you've done pricesless findings to many owners/potential owners of the system. On my part you can only earn a sub as that is the maximum I can repay in gratitude.
I learned this about 6 months ago as I use an R5 as a webcam through a capture card quite often. It never donned on me to consider this for use on something like a ninja LOL. Great video.
Thanks for this heads up, great to know if ever I would need a workaround for longer interview type of shoots 👍😊
Outstanding video and test results.
Keep it up Bro !! Just keep making fantastic videoX .... cool.
Very interesting observations, and nice work sir.
Very informative and thanks for sharing this tip. Can you believe there are some people that dont like this video! I think we all know the brand they shoot!! Not seen this before and had my R5 for 9 months. Haven’t had an overheat warning yet to be honest, as I just shoot shorter clips, but very useful to know that this is a good solution if i ever need it. Top work Bryan and keep up the good work.👍
Thanks so much, Stuart! I've really loved my R5 and I hope you have fun shooting out there with it!
Now you got 10k subscribers, BOOOM!
I have the EOS-R & R5.. I don't yet have an Atomos.. but since I do shoot weddings I was kind of dreading the overheat issue.
This does help me out knowing there are options available.
Hey Brian, here’s a wedding I shot with my R5, on a DJI RS2, using internal CFExpress and a combo of 4K60 and regular 4K24. I don’t think clients can tell the difference (added sharpening in post). Yes, HQ looks amazing, but having shot several weddings with the R5, the RS2, and a Ninja V on the rig, that all gets so heavy. I wanted to just go minimal and be able to use the control cord so I could start/stop recording straight from the RS2. czcams.com/video/WkgeEQ-vDGE/video.html
This is massively helpful! Thank you!
I appreciate you making this video.
So informative! all the best you.
Subscribed! Your channel is awesome!
The 4k data was already known... but the 8k is very interesting since the new Ninja V+ will unlock this feature! 8k is technically even less resource consuming for the camera, so I think it can record practically unlimitedly. THANKS FOR SHARING.
I am sure Canon and Atomos knew about this but there was nothing to record 8K to. Atomos said they were working with Canon months before the R5 came out.
Good to know! Thanks foe doing the work!!
Great video Bryan. Thank You!
It’s the processor not having to act as a GPU to process for the internal displays. Therefore the CPU is not getting hot and cutting out.
Great work man. Scott
The less work the camera has to do (CPU, GPU, or whatever), the less heat it will produce.
As a bonus, it will also use less battery power.
I went to make this comment and saw you'd beat me by two months. I work with artists to source and integrate technology for their projects. These are the kinds of considerations I deal with all the time. One has to consider *all* the tasks that a processor in a given device is being asked to do at any given time. The LCD (2,100,000 dots or 700k pixels), and EVF (5,760,000 dots or 1,920,000 pixels) are different resolutions than the image coming off the sensor *and* the image being recorded to the codec. Resampling *again* is a very processor intensive function, especially if you're running the higher resolution EVF at 120FPS. This is the same reason why recording line skipping 4K isn't as thermally intensive as HQ (resampled) 4K. I completely agree. The power used (and heat generated) by the LCD and EVF hardware themselves is certainly not the overheating culprit. It's the additional CPU load on the Digic X processor required to resample, format and output the image to either viewer.
I'm the proud new owner of an R5, and hadn't yet delved in to these considerations but was already looking in to the Atomos Ninja V+ to boost my record times. This video has helped me considerably with my decision. Thanks so much Deaf Director, for the great content.
Awesome stuff!
You trigger atomos through atomos instead of triggering on r5 correct ? And this only applies for up to 30 fps or 24 fps ?
Hi Bryan! I was wondering did you set your R5 to the 8K recording mode and record 4K on the Ninja? I was wondering if preventing the camera to process the downsampling internally from 8K to 4KHQ might allow less stress and heat on the processing unit and longer duration for external recordings. So the R5 set to 8K and the Ninja recording on 4K 🤔
Hi, love your videos and technical insight! 💕 Maybe I missed something but how did you record 8k to the Atomos Ninja 5 if you didn’t have the Plus model for the testing? Thanks 😊
Congrats, I've just become your 1000th suscriber :-)
Thanks so much, I am so pumped!
@@DeafDirector it said '999' when I stumbled on your channel, so I had to click... ;-) Great video and findings too, gonna test it out on the R5! Congrats and enjoy your monetized status!
Canon needs to see this video so they can make some update adjustments
Wait what if they update this “bug” and make it so it overheats in this mode as well? Canon is trying to promote serious videographers to go to the cinema line over the R5
@@ErikPelyukhno I really don't think that is the case. Canon has been working to improve this since release. They over promised, under delivered and have been trying to improve it.
Great work! Good luck :)
Hi bro. Really nice video.
Just simple question.
In my current setup, in studio
I used to connect eos R to external monitor, and record it internally while the evf and lcd off (only use external monitor to monitor positioning)
So in this R5 cases, is it possible to do it the same? (Record internally, external monitor)?
While minimizing the overheating issue?
Because im in the middle of considering to upgrade to this eos R5.
You cannot cut off the LCD and EVF while recording internally on the R5, at least in any way I have ever discovered. Thanks so much for the comment!
@@DeafDirector there is a way to record internally while only using an external monitor, I did it on the past two weddings. From my experience this is the best way to shoot (except for the benefits of recording in ProRes) because you don’t have to switch to recording internally whenever shooting 4K120, keeping the settings faster to switch.
I'm happy that you crossed the 1k mark.
Super cool! Thanks.
Thank you for your this video, only 2k subs, hopefully that goes up soon 😄
Thanks for this video.
I noticed that the time on the timer and the external monitor are not matching, in one moment the time on the timer is double than the time on the external monitor, can you explain please? Maybe I understand it wrong but I dont see a reason to have it different
Nice video man
Great jobs bro, thank you so much.👍👍👍
Thanks for sharing. Really useful information. I dont usually shoot video with R5, but I do shoot long duration time lapse (onm average 2 hours and longest was 12 hours straight) with my R5. I noticed the overheat alarms regularly when I shoot more than 2 hours time lapse when I got the camera earlier on. Though the alarm is present, it does not hinder my time lapse shooting operation but it is distracting. Recently I noticed that I do not have the same overheat alarm anymore and previously I cant think of why. Today after I see your video and I remember that recently I have switched on the power saving mode which turns off the lcd and the EVF after a few minutes as I am using a longer shooting interval so keeping all function on to me is a waste of power. So now I know why the over heat alarms has gone during my time lapse shooting. Quite a useful information also if I need to shoot 4KHQ or 8K later. Thanks again.
What an amazing application of this technique. I didn't even consider the timelapse component of this. Thanks so much for sharing this great info! I appreciate the comment and hope you have a great day!
Well done
For a day long shoot in 8K or 4KHQ, would you recommend leaving the camera on as much as possible or turning it off in between takes? I mean at some point you say that if you turn the LCD back on it will suddenly overheat. What about say you’re having the camera on and shooting for 2 hours, then you need to change setup and turn the LCD back on to adjust settings and shoot again, what will happen?
WOW, great information, I have watched multiple R5 "overheat" videos and have never seen anyone test the R5 like this. Great job! I am a wedding "stills" shooter and will try shutting down the back LCD screen as much as possible.
Thanks Darrell! Because I don't get overheat warnings during my photo sessions with the R5, I haven't been able to dive deep into this side of the camera yet. I would love to get your feedback once you do this. Thanks so much for the comment and I hope you have a great day!
I discovered why my R5 overheat lamp was blinking after shooting "stills" at a wedding. Another youtuber had the same issue and contacted Canon. Canon advised, if any of the three custom video functions are tied to 8K, 4K120, 4K60, or 4KHQ, you will see the video overheat warning in the viewfinder while shooting a lot of stills. I had three of the four video settings tied on my R5. Apparently the red video start button is in "standby" mode when a custom video function is set. Canon said to clear the overheat video functions from the custom settings and the blinking overheat video lamp will not occur when shooting stills.
I tested this by setting my R5 to 8K video and ran it until the overheat warning started . I switched from video to stills mode and the overheat warning was blinking in the viewfinder. I then cleared my three custom video functions and the overheat warning lamp went off. Hybrid and Stills R5 shooters should try this if they are seeing the overheat warning lamp.
czcams.com/video/K6vWTh_cTx4/video.html
@@holl3308 THIS IS AMAZING INFO!!! Thank you so much for posting this, I am going to definitely take a look at this coming up. Really appreciate the tip.
@@holl3308 - Good to know! I mainly shoot stills but also do video and my C3 (video) is set for 60fps video.
Stupid question : how do you close the screen while shooting on the R5 ?
Im noy finding that setting
Great stuff 🙏
Bro. My ninja kept cutting off on my r6. Is it my hdmi or drive?
Thanks so much for your video. So to confirm once the LCD and EVF turn off the autofocus stops on the Canon R5.... is this correct?
If you are shooting a sporting event and need to switch focus points, what do you do? Will doing this kill the USB C feed to my tablet?
Another great video! I too cannot believe how mean people can be, I don’t even bother reading reviews of my film(s) anymore. I guess that there are a lot of people out there that are jealous of our talents! 😊
Thanks, Tom! I can't read reviews of my work anymore, either. I've just learned to embrace doing the work, which I absolutely love. I really appreciate the supportive words, it made my night. Have a great day!
Great job men... thank you... great video!!! I am debating in getting the Canon R5 or the 1DX MK III...
What is the file size for the R5 4k HQ? Can the 512g SSD store more than three hours of footages ..
Thanks for the video, I just loved the tests. Let me know about other modes, like 4k 120fps, did you do the same test? What about the limit of 30 minutes of recording? Is it because you're using an external monitor to record? My R5 stops in 30 minutes, could you tell me how to go through the limit?
this is amazing
Hi there, thanks for the video. What about the 4k 120 fps please? Have you used the tilta cooling fan? Cheers!
I want to shoot air shows in 4k HQ (or 8k if possible) recording internally. This would require 2 or 3, 5 minute clips every 30 minutes. The camera could be switched off when not recording. Will the R5 hold up during an 8 hour shoot with a total of 2 hours recorded?
How can I control the V atoms from the camera?
Is that if I don't have a CF EXPRESS I can't record with the camera button.
Oh can I record without having to record in the atoms and in the cf express?
Which Dummy Battery did you use? Add link to the description?
Hey Brian,
How about this? Does it over heat if we use a monitor, turn off the LCD and EVF, and record internally on a CFexpress?
I would like to know as well.
Thanks for the info
thanks for sharing bro!
wow that's great !! , i mean 1 hour of recording is more than enough , but to exceed more than 1 is awesome
Hey Brian,
I’m going to be mean and say “well done, fantastic, great find and wait and it’s free!” You da man!
Been extra curious about switching from my Sony a7III setup to the r5. The a7Iv has crippled video capabilities compared to the A7sIII and the A7sIII has crippled stills capabilities. None of these cameras are bad (actually they are all brilliant), but they come with compromises for hybrid shooters that value stills equally as video.
The R5 sounds like the perfect camera on paper, but alas also has some serious issues. With that said, 45mp for stills and 4k 120p for video is so damn enticing.
Thank you so much for doing these tests and information, you're a legend mate!
R5 is crippled. It shuts off on heat. Sony 7iv was smart enough to crop so it doesn’t stop recording.
Thanks for this! Have you done any tests with 4K 60fps?
4K HQ not available for 60P，Image quality collapse
How fo you cut off the screen as you shoot is there a setting to cut it off..? Thanx..i am a total newb..
This is a huge revelation!
Very curious to what you are saving to? Looking for a storing/recording setup for over 1 hour consistent recording.
Thanks again!
I’ve got an R6, and I ordered the Ninja V today.
Looking forward to trying this!
(I plan on using the ninja as my only monitor and not using the LCD, so that’ll work out great! )
Did it work?
@@directkenxmedia I haven’t received it yet, but I’ll post an update here with the results! ☺️
interesting. On the macbook or imac, the element that produces most heat is the graphic card, especially when it has to feed several screens. It would be interesting to have only the LCD screen on and just the EVF off, and measure the recoding time.
Great job
Bryan! I just got another idea ! Do you have the possibility with the R5 to change the LCD and EVF resolutions, to lower their resolution displays? If so I think that would be interesting to run a test with those on but displaying lower resolutions. I don’t know their actual resolution but it may actually be the displaying of 8K or 4K on them than may run the graphics unit of the processor hot, which would explain why when you turn them off it eventually gives you longer recording time. Would also be interesting if you have an option to dim these screens maybe?
Lowering the resolution does not sound very practical. Using an external monitor or external EVF would still give you a good look at what your are capturing.
You can make the screen with 'VF display format' make a little bit smaller so yes, you can make the display to use less pixels for the video, but I am sure this will not impact the power used by the screen. The framerate of the screens you can set to 'power saving', but only in photo mode. The 'screen brightness' should make some difference in the power the screens use. It is probably a negligible saving.
Great Info. Can I connect the R5 to an 8K TV and play 8K footage right out of the camera?
This video melted my brain How come I never heard of this before. I am dying to test this tomorrow! 1 important question: What cable are you using? I am trying to record 4K60 and I keep getting disconnected from the Nina V to my R5.
How well does this work with regular 4k @ 60fps?
So what if we use GIMBAL r6 and Ninja?
This video shows that it really has nothing to do with heat and more to do with Canon intentionally crippling the camera. Turning off the EVF and screen is likely a combination they didn't account for in their cripple logic. Don't be surprised if this gets "fixed" in a future firmware update. Great work.
actually processing and sending video to both evf and screen takes cpu power, you need to resize video feed in realtime to TWO different resolutions, so, yes, it makes sense that it heats up way less when you skip those steps.
Interesting that you posted this. I went with the R6 and have since read they’ve had a lot of trouble overheating. I was planning to pair it with a Ninja V anyways. I’m hoping the overheating with the R6 is same as what you stumbled upon. Except supposedly once the Atomos is connected to the R6 you automatically loose camera EVF/ display. If it is the display that’s the issue, maybe I’ll be able to record IPB internally as long as an external display is connected? Supposedly Portkeys supports autofocus and the files aren’t so massive for times when RAW isn’t needed.
Hey Bryan great! Thank you so much for running these new sets of tests! They’re turned out exactly how I expected and told you I supposed they would ! Do you think this would usable in a context where you switch back to 4K24 and quickly switch your LCD back on to check and set your AF and then go back to 8K and turn the LCD off again?
Thanks! Your questions certainly got my mind racing on the last video. I think you could probably quickly check the LCD, but it would be potentially risky. Once you run it for a long time, if you cut the LCD back on you have about 3 minutes of it being on before it overheats.
@@DeafDirector all right so now I’m definitely looking forwards to your findings regarding controlling the camera via the Canon iPhone App! I wonder if you have full access to all the camera settings, especially touch to track a subject & custom white balance!
I like the methodical approach to testing. I am wondering if the true source of the overheating is the extra compute needed for the OSD. The video signal is needed whether going to the external monitor or the camera display. However the signal to the Ninja V is clean, while the camera display had the OSD enabled.
As you mentioned at 16:52 photographers having overheat issues (I'm one of them). But in my case it has nothing to do with the LCD because I prefer to use the EVF.
Both of my EOS R5 bodies showed the *temperature warning icon* while shooting only stills, no video.
After doing a bit of research I learned that the EVF uses more power than the LCD. That's not a typo, I didn't believe it myself until I looked up the specs. I also wonder if it could be because I have my LCD set up for maximum performance (higher refresh rate), which likely uses more power and possibly creates more heat.
I've had the temperature warning come on in as little as 30 minutes while shooting photos indoors. This has happened on both bodies and the only way around it is to turn off the camera when not actively shooting (which is Canon's recommendation also). This solves the *temperature warning* issue but if you're connected wirelessly to your phone you'll need to reconnect every time. Really makes me wish Canon included NFC on the EOS R5 like they had on the 5D Mk4, but that's another story and I plan to make a CZcams video about that soon (my journey from the 5D Mk4 to the EOS R, to the EOS R5, and hopefully in the next month or so the EOS R3).
Digging your videos. Just subscribed!
Hey Jared, I got a great tip from another subscriber about some info he got from a Canon tech. It appears that the overheat warning on the R5 during photo mode is tied to whatever video setting you have for your quick record button on the R5. Basically it is warning you if you switch to video mode you will overheat, but there is no danger in photo mode.
Try switching your default video mode to something like standard 4K 24fps or 1080p and see if that fixes the problem. I think I'll be diving deeper in to this to see if that actually makes a difference. Let me know if that works for you. I'd love to hear what you have to say about it. Good luck out there and have fun shooting.
@@DeafDirector - Thanks, I saw that comment and watched the video that was linked. My C3 preset is 1080 at 60fps, same for both bodies.
The first time I used the r5 I got overheat warnings from customizing my camera settings in the menu. It's the only time it's been a problem for me. (But it was alarming to have the camera overheat while using the menu)
=regardless of overheating, how are you getting more than 30 minutes of record time?
whatabout the 60fps and 120fps...?
This is really useful! Thank you. Did you ever do a test with internal recording on the camera to see how long you could shoot standard 4k with the EVF and LCD turned off while viewing, but not recording through an external monitor? Asking because I already have an external monitor, and would love to be able to record to the SD card slot while doing long form interviews.
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My Question now is does this also solves the Problems in 4k60 and 4k120?
Just for grins, the screen and the EVF do not appear to get hot to the touch. I believe the actual culprit is the amount of processor load. When the EVF and the back screen are on, the internal processors are driven harder to write data to each of these displays and to either the card or external recorder. JMHO
I'm so so exited now since I will get my new R5 soon this coming Tuesday, turned out it is a great decision to go with canon not Sony ;) thanks for sharing this with the world 🌍😍