Simple DIY PCB with a 3D Printer

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  • Convert your 3D Printer into a light duty CNC mill! Here I show engraving, drilling and cutting single sided copper clad board to make a PCB with a Dremel style rotary tool attached to my HyperCube 3D Printer.
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Komentáře • 365

  • @fortheregm1249
    @fortheregm1249 Před 6 lety +90

    PLEASE PLEASE give some details about the rotary tool .
    is it a dremel ? just a high RPM motor ? what is it ? what sort of RPM do i need for it ?

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  Před 6 lety +20

      Details in the previous video here czcams.com/video/IJxqXk-wdJw/video.html

    • @glennedward2201
      @glennedward2201 Před 6 lety +5

      Goto aliexpress and search 200w (5.5”) or 300w (6.8”) 12000rpm 48v max spindle and they come with er 11 or 16 collets for $15-32 shipped.

    • @avelkm
      @avelkm Před 5 lety +7

      Don't use same rotary tool as you would have same issue as Tech2C with tolerances and z-play. Just having a Dremel would solve this problem alone, as Dremel have a much better flex shaft. I had some chineseum rotary tool and Dremel, and even tried dremel flex shaft as a router on aluminum (bad idea), killed and changed bearings in flex shaft. Everything about Dremel is better than cheap chinese stuff, but even dremel have tiny bearings in a shaft, not very suited for side-load. BUT For this application I'd rather buy cheap 12V brushed motor with a small collet chuck (used and sold for purpose of drilling PCB).

    • @DaKILLaGod
      @DaKILLaGod Před 5 lety +2

      @@glennedward2201 search "double bearing 775 motor" and "er11 chuck" instead..

    • @cyberlord64
      @cyberlord64 Před 5 lety

      @@avelkm A fellow AvE fan?

  • @Snotkoglen
    @Snotkoglen Před 4 lety +27

    Having used a PCB milling machine 20 years ago I have a few recommendations for you. When milling you do not want to cut in the glass fiber substrate unless necessary. It will wear out the end mill in no time. A proper calibrated PCB mill only cuts into the copper and glue. And when routing the final cut-out, do it in one pass so you won't wear out the tip of the end mill. The tip you use for the fine milling on copper, and the shaft on glass fiber.
    Prober end mills aren't cheap.

  • @Psychlist1972
    @Psychlist1972 Před 6 lety +8

    Just keep in mind that the fiberblass is abrasive and the copper is conductive. You really want to have a vacuum attachment of some sort or else it's going to get into your motors, belts, power supply, that exposed control board, etc.
    If you plan to do this often, I recommend a Shapeoko or similar with a Suck-It attachment.

  • @SeamusMcNeil
    @SeamusMcNeil Před 5 lety +2

    Love your channel - You do not use top end gear and the way you modify your printer with all the gear (drill, laser, 3d printer head, dremel, etc) is just amazing. Really shows what can be done.
    Cheers
    Jim

  • @yottaforce
    @yottaforce Před 5 lety +5

    Ratbites (the small bridges holding the PCB in place) are convenient; but a word of warning about them: PCB's has a tendency to delaminate near them and put mechanical stress on the components. It's not a problem here; but if you use SMD components near the rat bite it may cause trouble.
    I experienced this problem first-hand for one of our designs. I had pointed this problem out to a manufacturer; but they assured me they had this under control. Half a year later we received defective units back - all with the same symptom. Diagnosing the boards I found they all had a capacitor with a DC resistance of a few kilo-ohms. By casting the boards in resin, grinding them down and inspecting under microscope we learned the capacitors had cracks that originated from the rat-bite.

    • @pentachronic
      @pentachronic Před 3 lety

      We call them mouse bites. 3 small holes and 2 larger holes on the outsides.

  • @WindCatcherRC
    @WindCatcherRC Před 6 lety +2

    Great video! thank you for sharing this information. I may give this a try in the future on my CNC.
    One suggestion. Drill your holes first. The reason is because it is possible, especially when your end mill might be getting dull or poor quality laminate, for there to be a hint of tear out. Having a lot of copper around the hole at the time of the drill out will help support the surrounding copper.
    I really did like your video! Thanks!

  • @paulhendrix8599
    @paulhendrix8599 Před 6 lety +2

    God damn it. Every time the video starts I think I'm listening to Dave Jones. I'm still not quite convinced this isn't his channel.

  • @bocarlsson3rd
    @bocarlsson3rd Před rokem

    You know, even a clock is right two times a day but when you find yourself in a situation where Matt agrees with you on any point you've effed up. If I say I love strawberries and Matt backs my opinion publicly I guess I'll never eat strawberries again.

  • @isbestlizard
    @isbestlizard Před 4 lety

    aw nice it seems everyone i'm watching lately is an aussie i think maybe it's cos there's SO MUCH room to fly drones and the landscape is beautiful

  • @bryzabone
    @bryzabone Před 6 lety +22

    I think it would be smart to make a circular blower style part-cooler, like on a 3d printer head, but with much larger vents... and attach it to a vacuum... vacuum up the shavings as it goes 👌

  • @johncabrer2328
    @johncabrer2328 Před 6 lety +1

    A better solution for holding down is Golf Club Grip Tape. It comes in wide rolls and you can release by turning on the heated to 55°C.

  • @Corners___
    @Corners___ Před 4 lety +1

    Have you thought of adding a small blower to the tool so that it can clear its path itself? You could probably use a small computer fan and some plastic tubing, that way you could even make it a weak vacuum by inverting said fan

  • @powermos
    @powermos Před 6 lety +23

    I have more than a year of experience with milling pcbs. I first tried with my 3d printer, then made a dedicated milling machine. For good results you absolutely have to use autoleveling. For pcbs larger than, let's say 3cm, you will have terrible results as on some areas you will barely scratch the surface or dig too deep. On my dedicated machine i am using MACH3 as the milling software, a free tool for probing and autoleveling the pcb and flatcam. The probing tool acts as a post processor for the gcode from flatcam and modifies it so the clearing is always consistent. I forgot the name of the software though.

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  Před 6 lety +4

      Yes I agree. I had enabled the auto bed level feature in Marlin firmware of my 3D printer, and the intention was to show bed leveling for the V bit. If I can remove the slop in the flex shaft I'll revisit it.

    • @franciscocasas2082
      @franciscocasas2082 Před 6 lety +2

      Tech2C best option would be buying a dedicated brushless motor with collet included besides to less noise it has the capability of rpm control

    • @paulbritton187
      @paulbritton187 Před 6 lety +12

      The problem is basically that the copper clad laminate isn't guaranteed to be flat across it's surface, i've seen 'ripples' greater than 0.3mm. So what the Mach3 probing tool does is profile the surface and generates a Z axis pre-distortion of the G code to compensate for the out of flatness surface.
      Also, I would order the Gcode files, so that you drill the holes first, the route the tracks, then clear the copper, then do the outline.
      This stops pads from ripping off when the holes are drilled afterwards, as there is more copper around them.

    • @fredpinczuk7352
      @fredpinczuk7352 Před 6 lety

      There is no additional software needed in Marlin as its build in, just once enabled and mapped in Marlin (up to 12 probe level points) in ConfigH, and you use G29 command. Then follow this video to wire the touch place (in your case, you don't need one. Just clip the ground to the plate, and + to the end mill).
      marlinfw.org/docs/gcode/G029-abl.html
      marlinfw.org/docs/gcode/G029-abl.html

    • @JGunlimited
      @JGunlimited Před 6 lety

      Is the "autoleveling" some device/sensor that Tech2C can possibly attach to the 'mill head' of his 3d printer, kinda like the one used to detect the proximity of the bed when using the 'printing head'? Actually, can the same sensor be used for autoleveling?

  • @StopChangingUsernamesYouTube

    For those more into etching: You can do about the same thing with a fine tip Sharpie to lay down a mask that does a good job resisting both FeCl and CuCl2 etchants. Got a plotter head for my Prusa just for this.
    That said, building a PCB router or converting a printer does cut out messing with chemical etchants and masking. I'd probably want to either mod in a vacuum line to take care of the shavings, or a coolant line to keep shavings mostly captive on the board or in a runoff bucket. The former option would probably be way easier on a retooled printer. Metal shavings can be a right pain in the ass around computers, exposed wiring, intake fans, etc.

  • @pirobot668beta
    @pirobot668beta Před 6 lety +2

    Another thing about isolation routing, it alters the electrical properties of the PCB substrate.
    The PCB substrate acts much like a capacitor; conductors above and below an insulator.
    Thinning the PCB substrate will change the capacitance of any traces passing over the thinned areas.
    For a single-sided quicky PCB, not an issue.
    For a double-sided PCB RF or audio amplifier, alterations in PCB capacitance would be a disaster.
    Same with any high-speed circuitry; variations in capacitance = variations in impedance.
    Point being made: Isolation routing is quick and dirty, emphasis on dirty.

  • @pco1984
    @pco1984 Před 6 lety +3

    I like it. I don't know what it's for but I like it. Great for prototyping if you have gear like this and don't want to fiddle with printer, etch resist, chemicals etc for 2-5 boards and super tiny leads aren't an issue.

  • @David_Flournoy
    @David_Flournoy Před 5 lety +1

    Excellent demonstration ! I have wondered if there was any way to do this with a mill...now I know how. Thank you very much. Hope to see more videos.

  • @gamerpaddy
    @gamerpaddy Před 6 lety +12

    the shaft of the flexible-dremel handpiece has 2 bearings, you could glue them in with some CA glue. when i did that on mine, no z play at all anymore.

    • @HermanKruisman
      @HermanKruisman Před 6 lety

      Maybe print your own adapter with a spring between the bearings? Should be a nice usefull project. That is what i am planning for mine....

  • @LucasHartmann
    @LucasHartmann Před 6 lety +2

    Check bCNC auto leveling, it uses the electrical contact of tool to pcb to compensate curved surfaces. Covering the pcb in WD40 will help with thinner mills, and keeps the dust in control (mud).

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  Před 6 lety

      I tried bCNC a while ago. The auto bed leveling I couldn't get to work. I have used Marlin's inbuilt bilinear ABL using alligator clips on the PCB and drill bit. WD40 is a good idea!

    • @markmuti145
      @markmuti145 Před 6 lety

      chilipeppr fro me works fine but i like bcnc too.

  • @mjones7947
    @mjones7947 Před 6 lety +1

    Always Tin engraved PCB's. Use a heat gun and Oaty 95 paste. This ensures a quick local heat buildup when soldering. Bare copper has a tendency to spread the heat quickly and delaminates extremely easy. SMD parts are almost impossible to mill in. The copper surface has a tendency to chip at a certain thickness when using a vbit. The FR4 backer is usually pretty brittle at a small size. Easier to mount a .1mm pen from sharpie and etch.

  • @BurtMeister
    @BurtMeister Před 5 lety +1

    You could 3d print something to remove the slight Z movement. I'm thinking of something like an L - shaped bracket with a bearing, so the drill bit can go through the center of it.

  • @chrisgavin
    @chrisgavin Před 6 lety

    Impressive that you can use one machine to make a PCB , and then a plastic housing for your projects. Maybe more 3D printer makers should start building this milling ability in to their machines to make the devices much more versatile. The same XYZ mechanism could be a 3D printer, light milling machine and laser engraver by swapping the head. A really fancy model could have the heads automatically changeable perhaps.

  • @CHAMPVICLYRICS
    @CHAMPVICLYRICS Před rokem +1

    Good condition

  • @ruyvieira104
    @ruyvieira104 Před 6 lety +2

    Should use the end mills just for the outline/drills. Try using the laser diode for "isolation routing" on black spray paint which can be used as etch resist

    • @kurtownsj00
      @kurtownsj00 Před 6 lety

      Yeah I've never made a custom PCB but this tripped me out not using any chemicals.....but hey I guess it'll work for anything that doesn't need to be packed in tight!

    • @Jason-ju7df
      @Jason-ju7df Před 6 lety

      Is black spray paint good enough for etching chemicals?

    • @zaprodk
      @zaprodk Před 6 lety

      yes.

  • @korishan
    @korishan Před 6 lety

    For the Z-Axis play on the end shaft, you need to put spacer between the flexi-shaft and the end receiver. This involved taking the "hand piece" apart and either adding a flat washer to take up the space, or adding something like a piece of a paper where the flexi-shaft inserts into the receiver. That should help with the end play.
    That is, if you can even open up the hand piece for maintenance.

  • @richardcreese
    @richardcreese Před 5 lety

    A very useful video. I built an A3 plotter then added a router. I'm hoping to start making mt own PCBs soon.

  • @RixtronixLAB
    @RixtronixLAB Před rokem

    Creative video shot, thank you for sharing it, keep it up :)

  • @Dretje
    @Dretje Před 6 lety

    You could take a look at the German ‘Dremels’ made by Proxxon. The are more durable and stable. I have no experience yet with their flexshafts, but it might also not have any play in the head just like the main motors have.
    Furthermore, it is not required to remove the whole nut to place a bit, only when it needs another collet size.

  • @paulbritton187
    @paulbritton187 Před 10 měsíci

    Do the hole drilling first before the isolation... It stops pads from getting ripped off

  • @Picavit
    @Picavit Před 5 lety +4

    From Russia with respect, you get great

  • @chloemcholoe3280
    @chloemcholoe3280 Před 5 lety +2

    protip: manually get the printer close, Then release the drill bit until it falls into the copper and then screw the bit in tight :)

  • @yitspaerl7255
    @yitspaerl7255 Před 5 lety +2

    Great video. Thanks a lot. You are capable of explaining complex things in a fast and clear way. If you want to avoid breathing expoxy dust you can put a tiny bit of oil on the board is stead of a mask. ;) Best regards an thanks again.

  • @AvramBlackmith98
    @AvramBlackmith98 Před 2 lety

    You are a genius!

  • @danilolattaro
    @danilolattaro Před 6 lety +1

    I was about to comment it was not needed to mill out the copper areas, but then you explained it as a solder mask of sorts. Nice thought.

    • @Mr.Leeroy
      @Mr.Leeroy Před 6 lety +1

      Solder mask has different purpuses. This is just a PCB without filling plane. Solder mask goes on top of traces and all the areas that need to be isolated to either improove safety ratings, or protect againts environmental effects or ESD, or improve tha range of soldering temperature/heat that traces and pads will withstand... The purpuses for filling empty board space with a polygon or leaving it blank are completely different.

    • @danilolattaro
      @danilolattaro Před 6 lety

      @@Mr.Leeroy yes I agree with everything. My comment was related to the fact that milling only the isolation paths would be enough and milling all the copper surface away is not necessary/waste of time, but them he said on the video that he did It this way to make soldering easy as there's no solder mask, which makes sense because there's much less to short circuit with.

    • @Mr.Leeroy
      @Mr.Leeroy Před 6 lety +2

      I get the use, but I found this wording of "acting like a solder mask" wrong on so many levels.
      If you are having such problems with shorting, I'd suggest improoving soldering skills starting with using no flux solder wire and learning to apply gel flux manually controlling the amount for the actual solder task. You would be surprised how much it affects the result.
      I don't know how one would accidentally short anything even across 0.4mm gap and especially 0.8mm here. You have to actually make effort to create a bridge across a gap, because when solder is heated in flux it acts like a drop of fluid that due to it's density is highly attracted to other metals and it's particles to each other. So solder makes nice rounded shapes and just splits across the gap or jumps to one side. To create a bridge you actually have to apply less flux to control how 'slippery' it is for the blob to jump across the gap. Comes with practice.

  • @jromhek2070
    @jromhek2070 Před 5 lety

    Thanks for sharing , I was thinking about buying 3d printer to make enclosures for my electronics projects , Now i am seriously thinking to buy it for PCB fabrication also .

  • @Bright8888
    @Bright8888 Před 6 lety

    Thank you for the nice video that shows how you can have your PCB ready in 20 minutes.
    The 0.8mm end mill you have used seems a bit too large even for a board that does not use any surface mount devices. As you mention, smaller size end mills are available and can be used. One option would be to do the milling with 0.8mm and drilling the holes with a 0.6mm end mill.
    Like others have mentioned, I also wondered why you would choose to mill your PCB right in the center of a large board. That certainly is not optimal utilization of the large board that you bought!
    In your next video give a demo of making a PCB that has tiny SM devices like 0603 resistors and capacitors with 0.4mm end mill.

  • @deividasabrutis7248
    @deividasabrutis7248 Před 6 lety +1

    For pcb leveling add z endstop wire to your toolhead as its metal and ground to pcb itself and enable mesh bed leveling. Absolute perfection.

  • @jamescullins2709
    @jamescullins2709 Před 10 měsíci

    Well done!

  • @dannygrogan353
    @dannygrogan353 Před 5 lety

    impressive. i didnt think that the belt driven 3d printer was accurate enough to do something like this. ive just bought a dedicated milling machine which uses lead screws on all axis and this gives great accuracy. nice to see how it turns out on this system though.

  • @glennedward2201
    @glennedward2201 Před 6 lety

    To those interested. Milling pcb starts after 7 minutes. Don’t use a Dremel spindle if you want a cleaner finish. Aliexpress has the 200w and 300w 8mm shaft with er11 or er16 collet holders for $15-$32 if you scroll around lowest price shipped.

  • @RobertPendell
    @RobertPendell Před 5 lety

    That's pretty slick. I want one now.

  • @klong4128
    @klong4128 Před 4 lety

    Good video to demo the copper clad laminated PCB circuit router function limitation using 3D printer modified head . I had seen more than 90% you tuber using 100% copper plate and making PCB circuit to achieve 0.1mm or much smaller width circuit path width (fake and not possible !) .I wonder how the electronic circuit ( never Shot/Ground with 100 copper PCB ??!!!!) And the Presenter video never show the Edge of the PCB !! When I ask them are you using laminated copper coil-plate super glue on top of the Insulating Bakelite material??? Nobody dare to answer back to clear my doubt !!! You are one of the ten percent people telling the Real Truth !!! Good job done .

  • @OddlyIncredible
    @OddlyIncredible Před 5 lety

    Free play in any axis makes PC board tougher to make, but if the play is visible it's actually too much if you need accuracy because of small trace widths and/or pad sizes. For through-hole boards cut with endmills this may no be a problem, but for SMD parts cut with engraving bits, free play in the Z axis means irregular results, and in the X/Y axes you can actually break the tip off your engraving bit if it has a narrow taper.
    Also, unless your work surface is hyper-smooth and hyper-level, you pretty much MUST use an auto-levelling script in your G-code if you want consistent cut depths. Manually adjustable work tables on 3D printers are not even remotely level enough as this is nearly impossible to do by hand without contact probes, etc.

  • @DashrathSingh-rj6of
    @DashrathSingh-rj6of Před 11 měsíci

    Thank you for everything share ❤

  • @korishan
    @korishan Před 6 lety

    Instead of using double side sticky tape, use mirror clamps and screw the plate down from the edges. You can use as many needed to hold the board down. Or you could use a thin piece of strip wood or plastic to hold down the edges.
    That way you don't risk bending the board while removing it. After all, you could reuse that board to create many other PCB/ECB's
    And, if you need to etch/engrave the other side for double side board, you can get the board in the exact location needed easily

  • @Splatterpunk_OldNewYork
    @Splatterpunk_OldNewYork Před 6 lety +1

    What you need is a vaccum hose that is running next to the drill. Otherwise excellent project.

  • @JGunlimited
    @JGunlimited Před 6 lety +2

    Can you take apart the extension head, and just print a new one (redesigned) that meets your desired tolerances? Seems like a perfect use case of the 3d printer =)!

  • @SteveJones172pilot
    @SteveJones172pilot Před 5 lety

    Great video.. I'll be using a Shapeoko 3 CNC, but your software hints and results with that bit give me hope that I can do this too!

  • @km5405
    @km5405 Před 6 lety +1

    ...don't forget to run g21 at the start when working with grbl and engraving pcbs.....don't ask me why, trust me on this one. a great trick for leveling is using a multimeter put into continuinity mode by the way so you can level it perfectly with the bed

    • @mopedman666
      @mopedman666 Před 2 lety +1

      I have a homemade cnc with a Dremel as the spindle. This is exactly what I need to do to get it dialed in

  • @eccentrickiwicreative2962

    Hi, another work holding tip that has some other benefits is single sided tape (or book covering seal) and Super Glue (CA Glue). Apply tape or book covering film to both the workpiece and the work surface then stick the 2 surfaces together with the CA glue. Often this has more hold than simple double sided tape or does have some other benefits. For your software (marlin and the CAM) is there no software backlash compensation available as this MIGHT overcome or help with your issue with the collet holder.

  • @lunarz7117
    @lunarz7117 Před 6 lety +6

    I really liked the video, but could you please make a tutorial on how to use Flatcam?

  • @georgejbaker
    @georgejbaker Před 6 lety +61

    Why did you cut the PCB smack bang in the center of your large board?

    • @pco1984
      @pco1984 Před 6 lety +10

      Let's be honest here, we've all overestimated certain sizes in the past...

    • @georgejbaker
      @georgejbaker Před 6 lety +1

      @@pco1984 that's fair enough, just curious didn't mean to offend anyone.

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  Před 6 lety +4

      Well I bought the PCB for this video, so I don't have an immediate use for the left over PCB afterwards.

    • @jeffbeck6501
      @jeffbeck6501 Před 5 lety +7

      You mean because you weren't thinking.

    • @OU81TWO
      @OU81TWO Před 5 lety +1

      *smack dab

  • @noway8233
    @noway8233 Před 5 měsíci

    Very good 😊work😊

  • @boopidoo
    @boopidoo Před 5 lety

    Really thankful for this idea! I have a quite sturdy coreXY-printer and will do my first mill tomorrow. :)

  • @TheRedstonelabz1
    @TheRedstonelabz1 Před 6 lety

    he mate just a hint but make a small device with 2 crocodile clamps and a led and move your z axis 0.01mm this way you can level perfectly and have a perfect 0. or even override your z limit switch to do it automatically and even use z probing. clamp 1 croc on the bit and 1 on the clad. its both conductive so it acts as a switch.

  • @TinShackVideos
    @TinShackVideos Před 5 lety +2

    Why did you cut it from the middle of the sheet?It's a rectangle,you could have use two existing outside edges
    and had no waste.

  • @DrywFiltiarn
    @DrywFiltiarn Před 6 lety

    Pretty clever of actually doing engraving by use of a flexible shaft. I’m in the concepting phase of a custom 3D printer and have been thing on how to do some simple CNC work with it as well, I might consider going this route as well to achieve that, as I don’t like a dremel on the toolhead of the machine itself considering it’s weight.
    As to your Z free movement issue I imagine there are ways to get rid of this play with a little shim, or otherwise there will probably be other flex shafts that have less or no play at all.

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  Před 6 lety

      I went to the local hardware store to see if other flex shafts had the same play. Yep they did, so I think it's by design than a fault with my unit.

    • @ExtantFrodo2
      @ExtantFrodo2 Před 6 lety

      The design considerations for these were never specced for high z constraint. That doesn't mean you couldn't install some lateral thrust bearings. As these dremels are intended for operation at very high RPM, I wouldn't recommend simply removing the lateral play by constraining the existing bearings or using any sort of friction shim or spring. You either need paired roller/thrust bearings or cone bearings that take care of rotational and lateral motion at the same time. The later are preferable since there are fewer surfaces for friction to be introduced.

  • @surajbhawal2474
    @surajbhawal2474 Před 6 lety +121

    DONT TURN IT ON. TAKE IT APART ....wait wrong channel.

    • @vaibhavhayaran
      @vaibhavhayaran Před 6 lety +6

      suraj bhawal Bob's your uncle!!!

    • @patprop74
      @patprop74 Před 6 lety

      lol

    • @thoughtyness
      @thoughtyness Před 6 lety +1

      Blimey!, It's smaller than half a bee's dick!

    • @quentinmangel2265
      @quentinmangel2265 Před 6 lety +4

      took me a minute to figure out that it wasn't Dave speaking :o

    • @DrTeddyMMM
      @DrTeddyMMM Před 5 lety +1

      No, Dave's voice is a higher pitch.....for a hoot, on Dave's channel turn playback speed to .50 ...he then sounds like a drunken Grandmother.... :P

  • @michaeld954
    @michaeld954 Před 6 lety

    Perfect time to Mill out and make my own ascis Miner

  • @sinergicus
    @sinergicus Před 6 lety +1

    Hi there thank you for the video... Your 3d printer I suppose is expensive , not all common guys can afford such a tool ... I am thinking if is not possibly to using cheap 3D printers with plastic filament to print the circuit on PCB and after common etching method , to eliminate that plastic with something ( maybe acetone ) and have a ready pcb for driling and mounting the electronics on it ...

  • @aldeen19
    @aldeen19 Před 6 lety +2

    Useful video, accurate work and clear explanation.. Thank you very much indeed.

  • @movax20h
    @movax20h Před 6 lety +7

    Well, you did make it in 3D printer, so it is Printer Circuit Board. /s ;)

  • @MrCasism
    @MrCasism Před 3 lety

    Millennial discovers CNC machine

  • @seppoahlstedt1821
    @seppoahlstedt1821 Před 5 lety +63

    Great video. BTW you sound a lot like Dave from EEVBlog...

    • @valerioguagnelliscanzani643
      @valerioguagnelliscanzani643 Před 5 lety +1

      freaking true. Dave Jones the second :-D

    • @princemiro7241
      @princemiro7241 Před 5 lety

      lol

    • @256k_
      @256k_ Před 5 lety +5

      i legitimately thought this was Dave from EEVBlog's second youtube channel lool UNCANNY

    • @toqeerahmed3016
      @toqeerahmed3016 Před 3 lety

      Exactly 😃

    • @mojo8211
      @mojo8211 Před 3 lety

      es, you sure do sound like dave also sharing the accent and clarity. Could you pls advise on another software as flat cam seems to be paid now?

  • @mandelbro777
    @mandelbro777 Před 4 lety

    one more reason to get a 3D printer.
    great idea and nice vid dude. +1 like

  • @jameswilson197
    @jameswilson197 Před 5 lety

    Surely you could add a shim washer at the opposite end of the shaft to alleviate the up/down excess motion. I am interested in gettting one of these 3d printers!

  • @bigfilsing
    @bigfilsing Před 6 lety +4

    another great video Cant wait for my Chinesium Dremel and flex to arrive :-)

  • @peshozmiata
    @peshozmiata Před 6 lety

    I'd love to see a RAMPS board get drilled out with this setup

  • @AWBuilder
    @AWBuilder Před 5 lety

    Interesting video, thanks. But it seems wrong to grind below the copper and create the nasty glass fibre dust. Or maybe a goal would be to minimise the intrusion into the glass fibre? Possibly leave a few microns of unwanted copper thickness and wire brush it off afterwards.

  • @NexiTech
    @NexiTech Před 6 lety +1

    Awesome video! :)

  • @TheFunkman
    @TheFunkman Před 5 lety

    Add a shim washer to the flex drill assembly

  • @videolabguy
    @videolabguy Před 5 lety +1

    Question. Could you use the normal 3D printer filament directly on the copper board as an object one layer deep? Then etch the board normally with the printed plastic as the resist?

  • @keithsogge
    @keithsogge Před 6 lety

    I think you might run into delamination issues (the copper layer splitting off from the fiberglass)with this kind of holes and since they are not lined with copper it may cause some issues with the circuit working properly.

  • @zaeemniazi1532
    @zaeemniazi1532 Před 3 lety +1

    If I make this 3d printed pcb at home and attached components the correct way will it work?

  • @NakDomDun
    @NakDomDun Před 5 lety

    Couldn't you print a collar of some sort, perhaps with a bearing that goes on the Dremel, could be adjustable with grub screws etc, keep the chuck in the same place

  • @karlosss1868
    @karlosss1868 Před 6 lety

    Great video mate! Just a quick suggestion (But a good one). If you think you can take the motor apart, then try & measure the end play in the armature, then get a washer maybe about 0.06mm thinner than that measurement to take up the end play & fit it to the armature. Just make sure there is a miniscule amount of end play when you re-assemble the armature. I really liked how clean the cut in the board was using the "V-shaped" bit. Just out of interest, would you have used the V-Shaped end mill to do the rest or the clean-up?

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  Před 6 lety

      With the flex shaft there isn't any fixings visible to take it apart, so I'm not sure how I can fix it. Regarding the V bit, it would cut widths of only 0.2mm so clearing vast amounts of copper would take a while. Plus at the price I wouldn't want to prematurely wear it out. For small PCB's yes I would.

  • @zanpekosak2383
    @zanpekosak2383 Před 5 lety +1

    You sound kinda like EEV...awesome video btw.

    • @phil2782
      @phil2782 Před 5 lety

      I actually exited full screen to see if i was watching eev

  • @octimus2000
    @octimus2000 Před 6 lety

    I really really really liked this video. I wouldn't mind watching another one ;)

  • @zaprodk
    @zaprodk Před 6 lety

    You could try to modify the flexible shaft and put in a small thrust bearing?

  • @NightRunner417
    @NightRunner417 Před 5 lety

    Only thing I really don't like about this is the idea of all that dust a-flying (and I suppose to a lesser extent, mechanical wear and tear). Which is worse; acid fumes or G10 dust, right? Even so, I really do like this, and I should consider building one just for in general CNC cutting/milling/engraving. It's brilliant. Thanks for the video!!

    • @featherbrain7147
      @featherbrain7147 Před 5 lety

      I never liked the smell of hot ferric chloride, compounded by then having to drill by hand inhaling the dust as well!

  • @PhG1961
    @PhG1961 Před 6 lety

    Awesome video ! I defenately will look into this kind of 3D printer conversion. Thnxs for sharing.

  • @Nikolalana
    @Nikolalana Před 6 lety

    I think will be easier to just attach a permanent marker to the printer and draw the circuit, to later just deep it into the solution.....even if this looks faster you are compromising the stability of the plaque if you drill too deep.

  • @chuckthebull
    @chuckthebull Před 3 lety

    Looks like the second attempt is not the same as the one from frame 10:48 and to frame 11:54 are they two different attempts? some of the holes look ragged and over the edges in the first one ?

  • @DiThi
    @DiThi Před 5 lety

    I got the same flexible shaft, and it doesn't have the Z axis problem! It has no play at all... I didn't buy any V bit because of that, but now that I see it doesn't have the issue I ordered a couple.

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  Před 5 lety

      Very lucky there! I'm about to switch over to another flex shaft with no play. Cheers!

  • @prodeous
    @prodeous Před 6 lety +7

    Darn, now thanks to your video I want to convert my 3d printer... thanks... a lot ... he he

    • @orbitalair2103
      @orbitalair2103 Před 6 lety +1

      I know. I hate chemical etching and then trying to drill tiny holes by hand. This approach seems much better for home prototyping and testing before sending out to a fab house.

    • @JGnLAU8OAWF6
      @JGnLAU8OAWF6 Před 6 lety

      But it's so cheap these days to just order prototype boards from china, why bother?

    • @cheeto4493
      @cheeto4493 Před 6 lety +2

      Time. I can go from computer file to finished board. Ironed, etched, drilled ans cleaned in under an hour.

    • @JGnLAU8OAWF6
      @JGnLAU8OAWF6 Před 6 lety

      And you get no solder mask and no silkscreen... Not to mention absence of plated through holes.

    • @cheeto4493
      @cheeto4493 Před 6 lety +3

      It all depends on your needs. I use the toner method to label the info back on when I need it.
      Haven't found the need to solder mask, I just put solder where I need it. I don't wave solder so it doesn't go everywhere.
      Stick a piece of wire through a hole and solder both sides, now it's a plated through hole.
      I'm not saying the DIY method produces a better board than ordering from China, but when you are doing a one-off board or just a prototype, they do have their advantages. Mainly time and cost.

  • @EdAgers110
    @EdAgers110 Před 6 lety +1

    Great video. Very informative and great video editing. I have to try this myself now. Thank you!

  • @drjwilber
    @drjwilber Před 5 lety

    at 08;58 the holes drilled after the router clears - might make no difference to do it the other way around holes before routing - tearing of the copper clad

  • @Psychlist1972
    @Psychlist1972 Před 6 lety

    Your experience with the engraving bit in that tool was not unusual. CNC engraving of PCBs has a whole science behind it. There are special sprung holders, special leveling programs, and more. It's not unlike what the 3D printing industry has been going through lately, with auto bed leveling and more.

  • @KANDYMANIAC
    @KANDYMANIAC Před 3 lety

    When did Frank Woodley start making electronics tutorials?

  • @wizard-ew5ze
    @wizard-ew5ze Před 6 lety

    Nice idea! and one I will have to try once my printer is built , can I make a suggestion? try cutting a shape out of carbon fibre... say a zmr quadcopter frame or similar ? Great work :-)

  • @Praecantetia
    @Praecantetia Před 3 lety

    Ithink this is faster than the acid bath method. isn't it?

  • @3D_Printing
    @3D_Printing Před 6 lety +1

    7:33 A simple electrical circuit light build could indicate Home position

  • @minkorrh
    @minkorrh Před 4 lety

    Only thing I would do different is put a whole piece of wasteboard under the copperclad. You've created a pivot point by putting the board in the middle of the copper as it will flex with pressure on the ends. Just my useless 2 cents......then again, if you don't travel off the boards size who cares?
    I have a set of mills like you have and mine starts at 0.3mm. You could snap it with your finger for sure it's that fine.

  • @michaelksiezopolski
    @michaelksiezopolski Před 6 lety +9

    Great idea to use 3d Printer instead of manual and time consuming drawing and acid PCB making

    • @nRADRUS
      @nRADRUS Před 6 lety +1

      Fiberglass dust is much more safely than acids (No,actually)

    • @alijassim7015
      @alijassim7015 Před 5 lety

      I don't think so

    • @flexiblebirdchannel
      @flexiblebirdchannel Před 5 lety +1

      With photographic replication and etching you are faster than the 20 minutes used on this small board, independently of size and with much more precision than 0.8mm, traces thru pins. He should have used phenolic instead of epoxy because he can not plate thru anyway.

    • @user-db9tm3hz4i
      @user-db9tm3hz4i Před 3 lety +1

      Ok I'll let you know when I come back bye bye for now••••••

  • @greatkid1
    @greatkid1 Před 6 lety

    Nice Video!! why don't you make your own spindle!! you can easily replace the shaft of a standard RC BLDC motor with a straight shaft ER11 collet holder.
    It would make a good project video too

  • @markusy3410
    @markusy3410 Před 5 lety +1

    Do you think that engraver would cut into Cedar wood to make a business card type? or business cards?

  • @alvarobyrne
    @alvarobyrne Před 6 lety

    why on the center of the coper plate? shouldn't you have done it top left? well not necesarily but might get more out of the copper plate....

  • @tdscwhelan
    @tdscwhelan Před 5 lety +2

    13:30 but shouldn't you not solder onto a micrcontroller, as the heat could damage the component?

    • @hectorpascal
      @hectorpascal Před 5 lety

      No it's quite OK to directly solder them (if I've understood your double negative properly!). But you should be quick, like with all pcb mounted components, and let any bad-looking joints cool off before retouching them. Ppl only use sockets to make them easy to change, if you want to reprogram them off-board.

  • @fenixasin
    @fenixasin Před 6 lety

    this sounds like that aussie electronics guy

  • @usertogo
    @usertogo Před 5 lety

    very funny to cut the little board out of the middle of the big board...
    You did not mention which tools you used for the PCB and toolpath design?