Not Africa, the middle east, Christianity begins with the death of Jesus which happened in Jerusalem, which was controlled by the Roman empire at the time and Christianity would have spread throughout the Roman empire before ever getting into Africa. Now if your thinking what about Adam and Eve or Moses, that happened in the old testament which was originally Judaism, Christianity built on that so only events that happened in the new testament can be considered post Christianity Edit: correction
@@XLIM23334If colonialism automatically spreads the religion of a given State, why hasn't Spain been overwhelmingly Islamic much like Saudi Arabia or Iran for hundreds of years? also a great many of the people converted it, especially in rural areas would be because of missionaries not conquering. hey, if you would like to have access to information about how unarmed individuals went into various places to spread what they believed in, I'd be more than happy to tell you although one of the interesting things about these missionaries in the earlier times is one of the things they brought with them was a coffin because they had every intention of spending the rest of their life in that place. not as a colonizer but as someone trying to spread what they believe.
The apostles that went to spread the Word were not White Europeans. They also didn’t have armies to force anything. Ethiopia was a Christian Kingdom that was never colonized until the Italians tried in the 1930s.
@@Beanboy-og9zp He said the apostles didn't have army's, the apostles was that tight knit friend group that Jesus had, his 12 closest followers. The apostles were 12 men and they traveled over all of Asia, Africa, and Europe. They like Jesus did not come with army's, but with peace and kindness. Do not confuse the way that Britain, and the 1800s democrats spread of the gospel, which by the way only taught the bare minimum, with the way people who read the Bible spread the gospel, the same way that the apostles did.
Who invaded Africa and made them Christian? Who invaded Philippine and made them Christians? Who invaded north and South America and made them Christians? Who started the world wars? Where ever Christians go they force natives to become Christian because you people think you are more civilized. Don’t forget your history so fast. You can still find the first ever church in Iraq and many Christians living in Middle East, how come they didn’t become Muslims if Muslims were forcing religion on other people? You are a joke
People apparently don’t know that Islam *did* colonize part of Africa, but it’s misleading to say Islam was *the* religion that conquered and colonized Africa It conquered and colonized North Africa (especially the Mediterranean territories) and converted them but not the whole as some reading this may have thought you meant
I am 100% African raised in Zimbabwe 🇿🇼 but I had to loose my family members to get Jesus. Some of them including my mum is still yet to make a choice on whether to have a relationship with me but my father and father in law it's done. It pains me to see people who think this of me, I did over 10gcses, maths, biology and chemistry and passed at A-Level now. I am taking a break from school to make more kids and focus on my family. I am not able to think? Edited for better reading
My friend you've lost some blood family members but you've acquired a whole new family of Christian brothers and sisters. Jesus also promises to reward those that loose mother or father for his sake.
And outside of Egypt there are no more than 7000 families following the Ethiopian version of Christianity (Coptic) The VAST majority of African Christians follow European (Catholicism & Orthodox) or American (Pentacostals) version of the religion, which were forced on them by colonials and slavers. the kid is right. Cliffe, once again, is full of shit
@@joshuataylor3550 The other African Nations? Before colonisation they just believed in some pagan god, with no proof or anything, meanwhile ehen Christianity came they could choose weather to still believe in their believe in their pagan god or in Jesus Christ which there is loads of proof of him existing
@@joshuataylor3550 Study old maps. Ethiopia was bigger than it is now. Then study maps after Islamic expansion into Africa, you will see many ruins of churches all over Africa. The 54 modern nations aren't even 300 yrs old.
ask any Christian in ethiopia when Chritianity first reached Ethiopia, they'll say the time of King Soloman. any time you see "Cush" in the Bible, its talking about Ethiopia/ns
@@JohnjOcampoSo he lied about forced cultural assimilation? It's the same case for Mexicans today. Why is it that so many Mexicans are Catholic? The only coincidence is that the Spanish who just so happened to believe in Catholicism. They took over their lands, raped the women, ingrained a belief that white skin/Spanish traits were superior, and over time, the future generations of natives began to believe it. This is all recorded in history books. The mixed natives now rebelled against their original native ancestors, and yearned to be like the Spanish. They then assimilated almost entirely with their systems, and now you have a nation that mostly believes in Catholicism. The same happened in African countries.
He is right. All ppl like Cliffe have to do is look up the conquistadors, or read King Leopold's Ghost and learn what Catholicism has done in African countries. Or maybe Cliffe is only concerned with talking points...
Are you aware of the history of the Ethiopian church? Clearly not. Missionaries went to Africa and when they met the people, they were confused why someone was trying to convert them to the religion they already believed. No, he isn’t correct. Christianity came to Africa before Europe.
@@toomanyrads3827 I said regarding most African countries, and I am aware that Ethiopia had an early Christian church. Anyway, it is still a load of half baked nonsense.
Wrong, in Ethiopia and the rest of Africa did not get Christianity through Ethiopia they got it through slavery and being forced to follow the slaves Bible. If you want to use this as an argument to make it seem as if it was spread through Ethiopia that’s pure stupidity by that logic Islam should be the religion of Southern Africa as well
@@SilentButDudley that's just not true, mostly because of the fact that white people of north africa were seperated from black people cuz of the sahara desert so islam never really reached black people, Ethiopia was an exception to this and they are Coptic christians, one of the earliest denominations of Christianity.
Islam has done the same thing in other countries. Ethiopian Eunic was in the bible and heard and was saved by HEARING the truth from the mouth of Jesus Christ. He, then, took what he learned back to Africa and taught his people tthe faith in Jesus Christ.
Marcion had a "bible" as well. Just because it's old doesn't deal with if it'a cannonical. They include Enoch which contradicta scipture by calling him the Messiah in I believe Enoch 71:14.
people tend to think it started in the roman republic because of catholicism people fail to realize that christianity began in the middle east in Jerusalem they get confused between catholicism and christianity and college education spreads that lie further
Ethiopia East Africa country, the first country to put cross on gold coins, is the second Christian after Armenia with only 30 years difference. we accepted Christianity before romans and the Emperor accepted Christianity from a slave
Let’s look at facts. Population of Africa in 1900 was 140 million and the estimated number of Christians was just under 9 million. So about 6% of the continent was Christian. The population of Africa today is 1.2 billion and there are 400 million Christians, that’s 33%. It’s disingenuous to claim that the massive number of Christians in Africa hasn’t got anything to do with European colonialism. The dramatic rise in percentage of believers perfectly mirrors European expansion within the continent.
It’s also disingenuous to claim that it was completely due to threats or pressure by Europeans, that would be completely fallacious as it eliminates the many other probable causes
No one denies that missionaries brought the Word to Africa, or anywhere else. The problem is, it wasn't brought by force. Conversion by force almost never works, not in the long term.
@@Ryvaken Forced conversion absolutely does work. Just look at the Islamic conquests of North Africa. Special taxes were levied on non-Muslims and limitations were placed on the building of Christian places of worship. At this point we see a dramatic shift in the number of Muslims v Christian’s in this region. Sure they weren’t being beaten in order to accept Islam, but what did happen is tantamount to forced conversion. Similarly Europeans in Africa provided education and employment opportunities but this came with caveats. Countries controlled by the UK are more likely to be Protestant, those controlled by France became Catholic. Perfect evidence that the beliefs in those areas are largely influenced by colonial forces.
i think that it was in the context of continents as they said europe too but yes it was a bit too broad to say but for the sake of the arguement i think its alright not to specify the countries involved as it would just make that debate far more complicated than necessary the kid just needs to reeducate himself that christianity began in the middle east and the pastor should have mentioned it its nothing more than false info brought into a pointless debate and the guy needs to rethink his life
missionaries only allowed africans to get an education from them if they were christian and learnt their scriptures, many africans followed traditional religion before that and saw this as a way to make money and be successful like the european people
I was literally looking for a comment like this! thank you! They are completely ignoring the fact that yes the original bible was from Africa more so Ethiopia but not the European KJV of the bible which was completely altered. They are ignoring the fact that Jesus and Christianity weren't widespread as they think it is before European powers invaded Africa, a lot of African nations had their own religion eg. Orisha but only converted to Christianity because of colonization. He's trying to prove a point that lacks historical knowledge.
it started in the middle east in jerusalem it was never european to begin with and never claimed to be idk why people even think that it was ever european it doesnt even make any sense the bible literally takes place in modern day israel egypt jordan etc why wouldnt it be in africa lol
@ultimatewafflegaming1018 we do not say that the story on the bible was in Africa or Europe .We said that before reaching Europe, Christians were already in Africa.
@@jamok5922 my point was that Christianity isn't European its middle eastern like Islam which was created around 500 years after the events of Jesus.. neither europe or Africa are originally Christian the arguement in the video doesn't even make sense to debate its just false information
@ultimatewafflegaming1018 Yes , you just prove my point .... in the video, at one point, they said that some countries in Africa are christian just because of colonialism from Europe. Even if Ethiopian are christian since 70 A.d
@@thundabolt7867eh. Gotta let little shit like that go. It’ll eat you up. And all for what? Because somebody is ignorant on something? It ain’t worth the brain power bro I promise.
by technicality, Africa is a nation. nation has a few meanings, but one is a large group of people united by common descent, history, culture, etc. people of Africa are united by the fact that they are all African. “nation” is a very broad term.
Bro: *Explains why Africans believe in Jesus* Cliffe: so that’s why Africans believe in Jesus? Bro: I did not say that 😂😂 Bro started saying he didn’t say that before Cliffe even reiterated his statement
bro : explains why african's believe in jesus, cliffe : so you are saying they can't think for themselves. Everyone else : you just explained christians everywhere.
@@ThorDog81 Nnnnice try. Boy: The basis was brought by force. White Europeans forcing a new religion Cliffe: So they believe because white colonialists forced their faith on them? What was the child meaning when he kept repeating the word force. Were they converted by Jedi, maybe?
@@ARealItalian no dude. Just look it up. It was the event that converted most of South America. Nothing to do with forced conversions. Christianity in South America was failing until this event. The savages were still cannibals and human sacrificers. Christianity uplifted them from this
If you really think that the guy in the video is wrong, than you may need to get your facts straight. Although Christianity did exist in Africa pre-colonialism, it became significantly more popular after europeans came to colonize Africa. Also, is there an argument in this video? Or are you just saying "OH REALLY?"
No, a being a pure love can’t feel pity and also it’s literally impossible to try and think of what god is thinking about because we think like dogs and sheep compared to god are sherperd who leads and guides us 🙏🏽❤
He gave the pathway and all can be known. Most just will not follow the Christ si they have no clue what the scriptures say. They have traditions apart from the Bible and extrapolate verses to uphold the doctrines. The Truth is available for anyone, but most will not follow because they love their sin.
@hamhead2765 He gave witness and multiple ways but none of you will listen because you want a God that fits into your own mind. Everything NY Father is is only hidden to those that reject the multifold witness given. He knows us better than anyone and just how to show us who he is, but you yet still refuse abd turn him into something nobody can know because you don't. You're projecting your lack of knowledge upon the entirety of the world because you believe that if you could know God, that he would certainly come to you of all people. Yet, he has shown you already abd you reject it because you want to do things your own way. After all, it's easier just throw God out of it than to admit you're wrong. He gave you the Truth, but you reject it.
Even for the uncontacted tribes that didn't know Christ before the Europeans, many of them converted by their own free will. If you read the book "Things Fall Apart" (A book about this exact topic) it was the outcasts in the tribal society that were accepted by the missionaries. Once the outcasts became more prosperous in their faith than their brothers, the rest of the tribe joined them.
As an African who’s family served witchcraft and had false idol me and my brother were the only ones serving Christ my second elder sister has now baptized this year so if you think I cannot think for myself your wrong every single day and night I wake through my day I make the decision to chose Jesus that’s the difference
Anyone no matter where they are from if they believe in Jebus. It's out of ignorance and fear. No one has ever come to Jebus because of facts or proof. Luckily Jesus is as powerful as Pinocchio Amen 🙏 🙌 ✨️ ❤️ 👏
Lord Jesus is King. I hope and pray that you open your heart to Him one day. He loves you and wants you to have a personal relationship with Him. It’s never too late.
You are blind. There is no fear in christ, in fact it gives you a lack of fear. You know nothing of the faith. First lesson for you, fear of hell does not get one to heaven. Lesson 2, the only reason you deny is it goes against your way of living your life as you wish. You see it as an easy cop out, not realizing just how hard it is to deny self. To put others before oneself. To be forgiving and show true love for your fellow man. May tye lord lift the scales from your eyes. Bless you.@@scp170190
I'm the first comment so could you do me a favor I want to talk to you as much a Christian I am I don't agree with alot of points you use a lot of logical fallacies and you ignore people who make actual sense in favor of those who don't so don't ignore me I want you to do whatever so we can get in touch so we can talk
I am Haitian. One of the black countries of America (the continent) Didn't believe in Jesus Christ because some white people force this faith on me. I believed in Jesus Christ because He revealed himself to me. We are not puppets. We can think by ourselves, we have free will to believe what we want to believe, and many of us chose to believe in Jesus Christ.
One of the things, Christianity did for us in Africa is it abolished some customs which were very fetish and diabolical, like sacrifice of Human Beings and the likes.
Christianity took root in Africa before it took root in Europe. They willingly accepted Christ as their savior. Even those who didn’t know Jesus, who later became slaves, were actually suppress from hearing the work because their slave traders couldn’t justify selling their fellow Christian’s as slaves. So the word of God actually unites people who are together in Christ. Yes there were slavers who believed in Christ and still sold slaves in their hypocrisy, but there were also many abolitionists who fought to free them because they believed all people are made in the image of God.
I'm 100% behind this god and his confessions of atrocities against the human race as outlined in the Bible. Cliff the master of"The wizard of Oz doctrine"
@@BLMacab Jesus was a Palestinian. I love my people too much to declare that I am not born of African soil. No matter where I go that will be true. Jesus' blood flows through all people. I don't need to be Palestinian to have his blood flow through me. But in no way am I indigenous to Palestine. I am stolen goods and I know my people because I have an understanding of cultural geography, anthropology and my families history with slavery. Plus you know the blood test. I am part Hawaiian though :)
‘African’ is quite a blanket term for many different historic regions and people groups, while Christianity had been a predominant religion in certain parts of Africa particularly along the Nile and the north of the continent, much of Africa had relatively little connection to any Abrahamic religions until colonialism, areas like much of west Africa and virtually all of southern Africa had never had any connection to Christianity. It is an undeniable fact that religion was forced on African natives in these regions.
Gosh dang now I understand adults. We have been debating the same topics for 4 consecutive generations, maybe further. Socialism, racism, religion, etc. It’s an ever turning wheel.
They litterally have some of THE oldest churches in the world,churches and temples that predate the vatican. Ethiopians were practicing christianity before any white man set foot there.
What's really sad is that he learned his thoughts in elementary school. I remember learning this in 3rd or 4th grade. I wish I had known then what I know now, cause I would have told that teacher to shove it. I'm glad I know the truth now.
The Ethiopian and Coptic (Egyptian) churches were established hundreds of years before the Roman Empire converted, and spread the religion into Europe. The Syriac and Jordanian churches are also predecessors to the European Church. Muslims invaded and forcibly converted over a dozen countries while Charlemagne was still consolidating his power in Europe.
Christianity was in Africa before Europe 😂
Edit: Go read ACTS: 8
Not Africa, the middle east, Christianity begins with the death of Jesus which happened in Jerusalem, which was controlled by the Roman empire at the time and Christianity would have spread throughout the Roman empire before ever getting into Africa. Now if your thinking what about Adam and Eve or Moses, that happened in the old testament which was originally Judaism, Christianity built on that so only events that happened in the new testament can be considered post Christianity
Edit: correction
@@jordanwoody3159 Didn't Christianity start in Jerusalem?
@@jordanwoody3159hahahaha this is wrong from first letter to the last.
Who told you those things...
I will at this time admit a mistake Jesus was not crucified in Rome as I previously stated, but Jursalem apologies
@@dusanmancic1750 I mean, if Rome conquers Jerusalem, and starts to govern over it, is it not part of Rome?
He said ‘I ain’t gonna say the thing’ and then proceeded to say the thing 😂
Just like the other guy did in so many other short when it's about homosexuality and stuff but guess when it's other people it counts
@@lorenzocampanella8651 Are you stupid?
@@lorenzocampanella8651 😂 stay mad
Christianity was in ETHIOPIA first but other parts of Africa had christianity spread to them by colonialism.
@@XLIM23334If colonialism automatically spreads the religion of a given State, why hasn't Spain been overwhelmingly Islamic much like Saudi Arabia or Iran for hundreds of years? also a great many of the people converted it, especially in rural areas would be because of missionaries not conquering. hey, if you would like to have access to information about how unarmed individuals went into various places to spread what they believed in, I'd be more than happy to tell you although one of the interesting things about these missionaries in the earlier times is one of the things they brought with them was a coffin because they had every intention of spending the rest of their life in that place. not as a colonizer but as someone trying to spread what they believe.
We are not an entire nation we are 54 nations in africa
Thank you! People love to think Africa is just one big ass country. It's not.
Right now you are , back then you wrrent
@@beastmasterbgBack then there were thousands and thousands of smaller tribes
@serb9814 yes but not countries
@@beastmasterbg there were some Countries as well especially in north and West Africa, most known sub Saharan country was Mali Empire
The apostles that went to spread the Word were not White Europeans. They also didn’t have armies to force anything. Ethiopia was a Christian Kingdom that was never colonized until the Italians tried in the 1930s.
The 12 cultists also didn't exist and it's all fiction.
The Europeans did, in fact, have armies to force things. In Ethiopia it was indeed part of tradition. But in many other places, it was forced.
@@Beanboy-og9zpdid you not understand the comment or sum
@@Beanboy-og9zp He said the apostles didn't have army's, the apostles was that tight knit friend group that Jesus had, his 12 closest followers. The apostles were 12 men and they traveled over all of Asia, Africa, and Europe. They like Jesus did not come with army's, but with peace and kindness. Do not confuse the way that Britain, and the 1800s democrats spread of the gospel, which by the way only taught the bare minimum, with the way people who read the Bible spread the gospel, the same way that the apostles did.
@@Beanboy-og9zp can you not read, genius?
Christianity was in Africa before Europe. Islam was the religion that conquered and colonized Africa
Is that so? You might wanna go back to school and relearn your history lesson
Who invaded Africa and made them Christian? Who invaded Philippine and made them Christians? Who invaded north and South America and made them Christians? Who started the world wars? Where ever Christians go they force natives to become Christian because you people think you are more civilized. Don’t forget your history so fast. You can still find the first ever church in Iraq and many Christians living in Middle East, how come they didn’t become Muslims if Muslims were forcing religion on other people? You are a joke
Someone needs a history recap
No it wasnt.
People apparently don’t know that Islam *did* colonize part of Africa, but it’s misleading to say Islam was *the* religion that conquered and colonized Africa
It conquered and colonized North Africa (especially the Mediterranean territories) and converted them but not the whole as some reading this may have thought you meant
I am 100% African raised in Zimbabwe 🇿🇼 but I had to loose my family members to get Jesus. Some of them including my mum is still yet to make a choice on whether to have a relationship with me but my father and father in law it's done. It pains me to see people who think this of me, I did over 10gcses, maths, biology and chemistry and passed at A-Level now. I am taking a break from school to make more kids and focus on my family. I am not able to think?
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My friend you've lost some blood family members but you've acquired a whole new family of Christian brothers and sisters. Jesus also promises to reward those that loose mother or father for his sake.
Dawg. You my friend sacrificed more for Jesus than me. God bless my friend.
You are making babies taking a break of school? Can you please explain the last two sentrnces.
@@aceluckgame I edited the comment
Taking a break to "make" more kids is crazy.
Meanwhile Ethiopia who converted to Christianity even before some European Counries
And outside of Egypt there are no more than 7000 families following the Ethiopian version of Christianity (Coptic)
The VAST majority of African Christians follow European (Catholicism & Orthodox) or American (Pentacostals) version of the religion, which were forced on them by colonials and slavers.
the kid is right. Cliffe, once again, is full of shit
Ethiopians trace their roots to the actual jews
Ok but not the other 53
@@joshuataylor3550 The other African Nations? Before colonisation they just believed in some pagan god, with no proof or anything, meanwhile ehen Christianity came they could choose weather to still believe in their believe in their pagan god or in Jesus Christ which there is loads of proof of him existing
@@joshuataylor3550 Study old maps. Ethiopia was bigger than it is now. Then study maps after Islamic expansion into Africa, you will see many ruins of churches all over Africa. The 54 modern nations aren't even 300 yrs old.
Read into Ethiopia and the king accepting it around 300
ask any Christian in ethiopia when Chritianity first reached Ethiopia, they'll say the time of King Soloman. any time you see "Cush" in the Bible, its talking about Ethiopia/ns
@@suburbanyute340I’m from that church and can confirm that’s true
@@suburbanyute340 And in the new testament it straight up calls it Ethiopia
@@TheSignofJonah777Biblical Ethopia was in modern day Sudan.
@@WarFrog935 yes the lands were skewed but the people the same
Have you heard of Ethiopia many are Christian and they are prosecuted that is the sign of true belief even when prosecuted they have faith
muslims r persecuted in some nation while hindus r the same as well, so i guess that everyones religion is correct then?
I would like to sit outside and listen to him all day! Really good! ❤️🙏
I'm an African, christianity was forced into my nation
Why aren't these kids forcing colleges to be honest with them
They don't know they're being lied to.
About what exactly?
@@user-bn3tr9hu7e what aren't they lying about is what your question should be.
@@JohnjOcampoSo he lied about forced cultural assimilation? It's the same case for Mexicans today. Why is it that so many Mexicans are Catholic? The only coincidence is that the Spanish who just so happened to believe in Catholicism. They took over their lands, raped the women, ingrained a belief that white skin/Spanish traits were superior, and over time, the future generations of natives began to believe it.
This is all recorded in history books. The mixed natives now rebelled against their original native ancestors, and yearned to be like the Spanish. They then assimilated almost entirely with their systems, and now you have a nation that mostly believes in Catholicism.
The same happened in African countries.
@@JohnjOcamposounds like a Weasley argument. Give me an example of colleges lying to students?
The young man is absolutely correct regarding most countries in the African continent.👍
He is right. All ppl like Cliffe have to do is look up the conquistadors, or read King Leopold's Ghost and learn what Catholicism has done in African countries. Or maybe Cliffe is only concerned with talking points...
Are you aware of the history of the Ethiopian church? Clearly not.
Missionaries went to Africa and when they met the people, they were confused why someone was trying to convert them to the religion they already believed. No, he isn’t correct. Christianity came to Africa before Europe.
@@CJBlake-ym6kyconquistadors in Africa? Oops
@toomanyrads3827 Look into it my friend
@@toomanyrads3827 I said regarding most African countries, and I am aware that Ethiopia had an early Christian church.
Anyway, it is still a load of half baked nonsense.
Problem is Christianity was in Africa before Europe
Wrong, in Ethiopia and the rest of Africa did not get Christianity through Ethiopia they got it through slavery and being forced to follow the slaves Bible. If you want to use this as an argument to make it seem as if it was spread through Ethiopia that’s pure stupidity by that logic Islam should be the religion of Southern Africa as well
problem with your logic is north africa and ethiopia are a very small part of africa.
@@imneverwrong5600 Problem is it was in central and Southern Africa before Europe as well.
@@SilentButDudley that's just not true, mostly because of the fact that white people of north africa were seperated from black people cuz of the sahara desert so islam never really reached black people, Ethiopia was an exception to this and they are Coptic christians, one of the earliest denominations of Christianity.
@imneverwrong5600 I don't think there was even white people until the south was colonized by the brits lol
This is a next-level smart person also full of virtue, refusing to lump the entire “nation” of Africa together…
Islam has done the same thing in other countries. Ethiopian Eunic was in the bible and heard and was saved by HEARING the truth from the mouth of Jesus Christ. He, then, took what he learned back to Africa and taught his people tthe faith in Jesus Christ.
Ethiopia has the oldest, intact "Christian" Bible way older than any in Europe!
Marcion had a "bible" as well. Just because it's old doesn't deal with if it'a cannonical. They include Enoch which contradicta scipture by calling him the Messiah in I believe Enoch 71:14.
people tend to think it started in the roman republic because of catholicism people fail to realize that christianity began in the middle east in Jerusalem they get confused between catholicism and christianity and college education spreads that lie further
@@thehungh0nkey853 the son of man is different from the messiah
david was also called the son of man
Ethiopia East Africa country, the first country to put cross on gold coins, is the second Christian after Armenia with only 30 years difference. we accepted Christianity before romans and the Emperor accepted Christianity from a slave
Let’s look at facts.
Population of Africa in 1900 was 140 million and the estimated number of Christians was just under 9 million. So about 6% of the continent was Christian.
The population of Africa today is 1.2 billion and there are 400 million Christians, that’s 33%.
It’s disingenuous to claim that the massive number of Christians in Africa hasn’t got anything to do with European colonialism. The dramatic rise in percentage of believers perfectly mirrors European expansion within the continent.
It’s also disingenuous to claim that it was completely due to threats or pressure by Europeans, that would be completely fallacious as it eliminates the many other probable causes
No one denies that missionaries brought the Word to Africa, or anywhere else. The problem is, it wasn't brought by force. Conversion by force almost never works, not in the long term.
@@philistired I’m not claiming that it was entirely by force.
@@Ryvaken Forced conversion absolutely does work. Just look at the Islamic conquests of North Africa. Special taxes were levied on non-Muslims and limitations were placed on the building of Christian places of worship. At this point we see a dramatic shift in the number of Muslims v Christian’s in this region. Sure they weren’t being beaten in order to accept Islam, but what did happen is tantamount to forced conversion.
Similarly Europeans in Africa provided education and employment opportunities but this came with caveats.
Countries controlled by the UK are more likely to be Protestant, those controlled by France became Catholic. Perfect evidence that the beliefs in those areas are largely influenced by colonial forces.
@@stuartsummers1303 forced conversion for us is heresy
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Africa is continent not a nation. It’s comprised of many countries and ethnicities.. ignorance is astounding
i think that it was in the context of continents as they said europe too but yes it was a bit too broad to say but for the sake of the arguement i think its alright not to specify the countries involved as it would just make that debate far more complicated than necessary the kid just needs to reeducate himself that christianity began in the middle east and the pastor should have mentioned it its nothing more than false info brought into a pointless debate and the guy needs to rethink his life
missionaries only allowed africans to get an education from them if they were christian and learnt their scriptures, many africans followed traditional religion before that and saw this as a way to make money and be successful like the european people
I was literally looking for a comment like this! thank you! They are completely ignoring the fact that yes the original bible was from Africa more so Ethiopia but not the European KJV of the bible which was completely altered. They are ignoring the fact that Jesus and Christianity weren't widespread as they think it is before European powers invaded Africa, a lot of African nations had their own religion eg. Orisha but only converted to Christianity because of colonization. He's trying to prove a point that lacks historical knowledge.
That's actually kinda sad that the people had to abandon there beliefs just to have a better life. Far better than how the aboriginals where treated
How can anyone take this guy seriously??
It's funny when you discovered that African were Christian long before European 😂
it started in the middle east in jerusalem it was never european to begin with and never claimed to be idk why people even think that it was ever european it doesnt even make any sense the bible literally takes place in modern day israel egypt jordan etc why wouldnt it be in africa lol
@ultimatewafflegaming1018 we do not say that the story on the bible was in Africa or Europe .We said that before reaching Europe, Christians were already in Africa.
@@jamok5922 my point was that Christianity isn't European its middle eastern like Islam which was created around 500 years after the events of Jesus.. neither europe or Africa are originally Christian the arguement in the video doesn't even make sense to debate its just false information
@ultimatewafflegaming1018 Yes , you just prove my point .... in the video, at one point, they said that some countries in Africa are christian just because of colonialism from Europe. Even if Ethiopian are christian since 70 A.d
If you call Africa a nation, I doupt you know enough to have an opinion on its history
I think that was just a slip up, I wouldn't be so harsh.
@@The_Alpha_E ngl its a common mess up that has personally annoyed me for nearly a decade. When people do it, drives me mental nomatter how harmless
@@thundabolt7867eh. Gotta let little shit like that go. It’ll eat you up. And all for what? Because somebody is ignorant on something?
It ain’t worth the brain power bro I promise.
@@johnalexander7457 I agree
by technicality, Africa is a nation.
nation has a few meanings, but one is a large group of people united by common descent, history, culture, etc.
people of Africa are united by the fact that they are all African.
“nation” is a very broad term.
Bro: *Explains why Africans believe in Jesus*
Cliffe: so that’s why Africans believe in Jesus?
Bro: I did not say that
😂😂 Bro started saying he didn’t say that before Cliffe even reiterated his statement
bro : explains why african's believe in jesus,
cliffe : so you are saying they can't think for themselves.
Everyone else : you just explained christians everywhere.
@@ThorDog81That’s most religions. Normally people just believe whatever their parents taught them to believe.
@@ThorDog81 “everyone else” sure right, as if
@@ThorDog81 Nnnnice try.
Boy: The basis was brought by force. White Europeans forcing a new religion
Cliffe: So they believe because white colonialists forced their faith on them?
What was the child meaning when he kept repeating the word force. Were they converted by Jedi, maybe?
@@Ryvakenthey were converted by force though at least the non compliment ones were
Because they are smart, they are spiritual - they are wonderful ❤
it was in Ethiopia, ONE country in Africa! others were forced by European colonialists.
Christianity was forced to South-American colonies, not African ones.
Not forced
Uhh you sure?
@@ARealItalian yup. Read the story of Our Lady of Guadalupe
@@Thedisciplemike Is it a book?
@@ARealItalian no dude. Just look it up. It was the event that converted most of South America. Nothing to do with forced conversions. Christianity in South America was failing until this event. The savages were still cannibals and human sacrificers. Christianity uplifted them from this
If you really think that the guy in the video is wrong, than you may need to get your facts straight. Although Christianity did exist in Africa pre-colonialism, it became significantly more popular after europeans came to colonize Africa. Also, is there an argument in this video? Or are you just saying "OH REALLY?"
Ethiopia has been practicing Christianity for nearly 1400 years. Way before any European established themselves in Africa.
Christianity came to Africa before Europe.
I think God looks down on us all and thinks
"Awww humans. None of you are even close to understanding the depths of what I am"
No, a being a pure love can’t feel pity and also it’s literally impossible to try and think of what god is thinking about because we think like dogs and sheep compared to god are sherperd who leads and guides us 🙏🏽❤
@yuhdig1777 you're kidding right?... God?... what are you, a child?...
@yuhdig1777
We can't even wrap our heads around the immensity of the universe, let alone to profess to know its mind and how it operates.
He gave the pathway and all can be known. Most just will not follow the Christ si they have no clue what the scriptures say. They have traditions apart from the Bible and extrapolate verses to uphold the doctrines. The Truth is available for anyone, but most will not follow because they love their sin.
@hamhead2765 He gave witness and multiple ways but none of you will listen because you want a God that fits into your own mind. Everything NY Father is is only hidden to those that reject the multifold witness given. He knows us better than anyone and just how to show us who he is, but you yet still refuse abd turn him into something nobody can know because you don't. You're projecting your lack of knowledge upon the entirety of the world because you believe that if you could know God, that he would certainly come to you of all people. Yet, he has shown you already abd you reject it because you want to do things your own way. After all, it's easier just throw God out of it than to admit you're wrong. He gave you the Truth, but you reject it.
Even for the uncontacted tribes that didn't know Christ before the Europeans, many of them converted by their own free will. If you read the book "Things Fall Apart" (A book about this exact topic) it was the outcasts in the tribal society that were accepted by the missionaries. Once the outcasts became more prosperous in their faith than their brothers, the rest of the tribe joined them.
The Ethiopian Orthodox church was a thing before Christianity in Europe.
As an African who’s family served witchcraft and had false idol me and my brother were the only ones serving Christ my second elder sister has now baptized this year so if you think I cannot think for myself your wrong every single day and night I wake through my day I make the decision to chose Jesus that’s the difference
Bro doesn’t know about St Augustine 💀
Yeah I love false made up figures
@@morocuda2090 bro thinks St. Augustine is a fictional character 💀
@@sleeperino3054 he was
@@morocuda2090 I can’t help you with that level of ignorance, bud 😂
@@sleeperino3054 nah, he doesnt exist
Funniest thing is Ethiopia was Christain before Rome
and Ethiopian Christians are the reason it spread all across the continent? Bullshit and you know it.
Black people believe in Holiness Amen
Because God say he is Holy!
As soon as he referred to Africa as a nation I knew he was about to say some uniformed stuffed 😂
Anyone no matter where they are from if they believe in Jebus. It's out of ignorance and fear. No one has ever come to Jebus because of facts or proof. Luckily Jesus is as powerful as Pinocchio Amen 🙏 🙌 ✨️ ❤️ 👏
Lord Jesus is King. I hope and pray that you open your heart to Him one day. He loves you and wants you to have a personal relationship with Him. It’s never too late.
@@LookinUp_ And many more people stop believing in Jesus when they learn to think for themselves, because they see thar religion demands blindness.
You are blind. There is no fear in christ, in fact it gives you a lack of fear. You know nothing of the faith. First lesson for you, fear of hell does not get one to heaven. Lesson 2, the only reason you deny is it goes against your way of living your life as you wish. You see it as an easy cop out, not realizing just how hard it is to deny self. To put others before oneself. To be forgiving and show true love for your fellow man. May tye lord lift the scales from your eyes. Bless you.@@scp170190
@@scp170190 Unfortunately, you have no idea what you are talking about.
I'm the first comment so could you do me a favor I want to talk to you as much a Christian I am I don't agree with alot of points you use a lot of logical fallacies and you ignore people who make actual sense in favor of those who don't so don't ignore me I want you to do whatever so we can get in touch so we can talk
This channel is not Cliffe Knechtle's channel. This is a repost channel.
Search up askcliffe thats his actual channel
Hmm that’s a lot of words
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To bad I ain’t reading ‘em😂😂
Hahaha lol sorry don’t worry I read it;))))
Wait till he finds out Christianity had it's heart in Africa a hundred years before Europeans ever heard of Jesus.
I am Haitian. One of the black countries of America (the continent)
Didn't believe in Jesus Christ because some white people force this faith on me. I believed in Jesus Christ because He revealed himself to me.
We are not puppets. We can think by ourselves, we have free will to believe what we want to believe, and many of us chose to believe in Jesus Christ.
Ethiopia is literally 1 country in Africa and in no way speaks for the entirety of africa. Denying the evils is evil. Truth is good.
One of the things, Christianity did for us in Africa is it abolished some customs which were very fetish and diabolical, like sacrifice of Human Beings and the likes.
Cliffe doesn't miss 🔥
I blive orthodox Tewahdo Jesus Christ is only God love For ever 🇪🇷💯
Christianity took root in Africa before it took root in Europe.
They willingly accepted Christ as their savior. Even those who didn’t know Jesus, who later became slaves, were actually suppress from hearing the work because their slave traders couldn’t justify selling their fellow Christian’s as slaves.
So the word of God actually unites people who are together in Christ. Yes there were slavers who believed in Christ and still sold slaves in their hypocrisy, but there were also many abolitionists who fought to free them because they believed all people are made in the image of God.
Religion causes so much conflict
following religion incorrectly*
As an African to see that carpet unveil color makes me beleive in Jesus!
Amen!
I'm 100% behind this god and his confessions of atrocities against the human race as outlined in the Bible.
Cliff the master of"The wizard of Oz doctrine"
I was waiting for a gotcha moment and got nothing.
"I'm not going to tell a entire nation." "Africans were forced "💀💀
The Ethiopian Christian Church is one of the Oldest Christian Churches ON THE PLANET.
These guys are the OG followers
People forget that Ethiopian's knew Jesus way before European people did
That’s exactly what he said! These peoples stupidity knows no bounds
Ethiopians were way before europe
> Says he won't say the thing
> Says the thing
> Denies he said the thing
Honestly that is one of the things thay makes Ethiopia fascinating a primarily Christian african nation that was never colonized by Europe.
Believing in God isnt about forcing or forced to believe, if your heart is for God you will love it. If it is not for God, you will dread it
GOD is truth follow JESUS
“I did not say that”
After he just said that ironic denial is the first step
"I didn't say that, I just implied it"
Cliff is the BEEP❤ LOVE HIM
Most of Africa was introduced to Christianity through colonialism. Lying is a sin
Colonization of black hebrews???
@@BLMacab Jesus was a Palestinian. I love my people too much to declare that I am not born of African soil. No matter where I go that will be true. Jesus' blood flows through all people. I don't need to be Palestinian to have his blood flow through me. But in no way am I indigenous to Palestine. I am stolen goods and I know my people because I have an understanding of cultural geography, anthropology and my families history with slavery. Plus you know the blood test. I am part Hawaiian though :)
@@steakismynewnamenow8692 jesus lied alot
"I didn't *Cough* technically *Cough* say that."
‘African’ is quite a blanket term for many different historic regions and people groups, while Christianity had been a predominant religion in certain parts of Africa particularly along the Nile and the north of the continent, much of Africa had relatively little connection to any Abrahamic religions until colonialism, areas like much of west Africa and virtually all of southern Africa had never had any connection to Christianity. It is an undeniable fact that religion was forced on African natives in these regions.
"Christianity was in Africa before Europe" ~ A wise man once said.
Thank you GOD for all. Jesus Christ is only way to truth. Please forgive us and help us. Sorry for all. Amen
Ethiopia had one of the first Christian churches before Rome fell. They also had one of the oldest bibles.
The Ethiopian Bible and Christianity in Africa was there before any European ever heard of Jesus Christ.
He’s a well trained debater
The flaw here is thinking Africa is a singular nation.
Gosh dang now I understand adults. We have been debating the same topics for 4 consecutive generations, maybe further. Socialism, racism, religion, etc. It’s an ever turning wheel.
The kid has a point
.... I'm not christene I'm Jewish
But it's concerning me that so many people don't know history
Christianity was in Africa long before any European set foot on the continent
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And this skilled trade next to it
Christianity has already been Africa before Europeans came to Africa.
Again Africa is not a nation..... 😢
It's many of them
They litterally have some of THE oldest churches in the world,churches and temples that predate the vatican.
Ethiopians were practicing christianity before any white man set foot there.
Christianity is a African and middle eastern religion 🙏
Ethiopia was Christian before most European nations existed
Imagine what that guy will do when he learns white Eyropeans were the FIRST to be converted to Christianity by force
What's really sad is that he learned his thoughts in elementary school. I remember learning this in 3rd or 4th grade. I wish I had known then what I know now, cause I would have told that teacher to shove it. I'm glad I know the truth now.
Africa... is a continent... not a nation, why do people have this notion?
That "mmm" he does is a sign of nervousness so he knows he might be wrong here and wants out of the conversation
Also Africa isn’t “a nation.”
I’m not even Christian yet I know that Christianity was in Africa before Europe💀
The Coptic church is one of the oldest Christian institutions of the world, long preceding the colonial era.
Ethiopian Bible has 81 books while the revised international version has 66… we are at a point where they are omitting books let alone verses
1 Africa isn't a nation, it's a continent
2 Christianity was in Africa before the Europeans
THE DELUSION IS REAL PEEPS!!!
Africa anf the Middle East had Christianity first.
That’s exactly what he said !
The Ethiopian and Coptic (Egyptian) churches were established hundreds of years before the Roman Empire converted, and spread the religion into Europe. The Syriac and Jordanian churches are also predecessors to the European Church.
Muslims invaded and forcibly converted over a dozen countries while Charlemagne was still consolidating his power in Europe.
Buddy said entire nation meaning Africa is a whole nation 💀
Ethiopians believed in Christianity way before it came to Europe