Black Desert vs Blade and Soul • Which Does Action Combat Better?
Vložit
- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- Want to play Black Desert? • bit.ly/1qvCVGG
Was a question I got a lot since I've come out and said the combat for both games is top tier.. and I stand by that. Both Black Desert and Blade and Soul have incredible combat.
However.. it's kind of interesting because what makes one games combat more appealing to different players is going to matter more game surrounding it as the combat is fundamentally changed because of the game it appears in.
FevirGaming:
Twitter ► FevirGaming
Twitch ► www.twitch.tv/FevirGaming
Facebook ► FevirGaming
Music:
/ vindsvept
Damn dude I've really enjoyed your content recently, very well explained stuff :)
+TheLazyPeon Your emoticon game is strong- :) thanks
Dude lazy you're everywhere I watch lol
+TheLazyPeon I know u 2 love the bns Combat, but I really can't see how it's better than BDO combat except for a few trivial reasons based on game design outside of the combat system itself. I mainly play fighting games when I sit down to game and I feel a lot more freedom when playing bdo than any other mmo to date :P.
+TheLazyPeon He's one of the best game reviewers on CZcams.
+TheLazyPeon Love ur vids Peon keep them up :D
That moment when you realize that you rendered at 720 and don't have a recent project file so you just say fuck it.
+Fevir Narf, but hey right now it is 480 anyway as google is not done with rendering on their own.
+Traumglanz That's the secret... I have to keep google in the processing/rendering phase and then no one will know.
+Fevir Was gonna ask about that, instead, I'm just going to call you an idiot.
+Fevir HEY FEVIR; SIDE ROLL IN THIS GAME; GUESS WHAT: "MMOs Suck Now • WoW Broke MMORPGS • Terrible MMO Opinions
"
SAME CONTENT AS PREVIOUS MMOS; WHY DO YOU EVEN PLAY IT ?
+Fevir does eso count as action mmorpg?
i play black desert because i like to look at the grass
same
I want to live in there
unironically
This is a risky video, but you handled it really well and covered your bases really well. You did a great job, man! Keep it up :)
+Evanz111 sheep
+arthur millis baa
+Rom, The Vacuous Spider baaa baaaa
That's why we need a game with BnS playstyle and black desert world
What? No. That would be extremely boring.
Combat in BDO is much more fun. What is needed in BDO is perhaps the Instanced dungeons and so on, not only the world bosses and the summoned bosses...
If BDO would have more group content, it would be an absolute beast.
It doesn't need BnS playstyle (which is objectively less fun), it just needs group content.
Clumsy Fawn it's not 'objectively' less fun. in bdo you just gear up and mash the keyboard. in bns you actually have to think about what skill to use. I like bns play style a lot more.
I find B&S combat to be very restrictive (tab target) where as BDO open but all over the place.
agreed both are fun but I still find BDO more fun with it fluid comabt.. as it more action oriented where you can actually dodge.. wish there was another game like vindictus (I still go back and forth between games)
I've never used tab target in B&S. Always the action control method.
I enjoy BDOs active dodge and looseness of skills much more. In B&S the conditioning forces you to use only certain skills at a time, and it can feel kind of robotic like your following instructions.
BDO could benefit from B&S's mobs however. The mobs in B&S are way more challenging and interesting, rather than gaining "knowledge" you feel like your actually learning their behavior and attack patterns.
+TheLeviathanZero Damn you made yourself sound so salty. BnS does feel a bit more robotic or clunky, it makes you feel like it's forcing you to use specific skills. Only thing I really enjoyed with BnS is just like JZ said. The AI is far superior and BDO could definitely learn from them in that aspect.
TheLeviathanZero You constantly use the same skills over and over for BnS once it's off CD so what are you trying to get at? Try not to be a fan boy, you won't seem as salty and notice the pros and cons for both games.
TheLeviathanZero I understand where you're coming from, but in terms of PvP. BnS's combat system is more for 1v1s while BDO is more for GvG. If you mindlessly spam your skills in BDO in PvP you're asking to be destroyed in an instant and it's the same for BnS.
+TheLeviathanZero While not stricktly an mmo i still feel like the Combat in B&S is already a step back from the Combat in Vindictus
+Kurliston vindictus combat is nice but I didn't like the lagg in town and the heavy instancing + no real charakter creation. I still agree combat was nice
not gonna lie.. i thought these were the same game for half a year.
but the graphic style is not even close, one is more realistic grim tone the other is cartoony !
We need a Dark Souls of MMO. That would be amazing imagine the combat, the exploration without a map, the quests without anyone giving yo actually quests. It would be genre breaking/ deconstruction of what MMO are.
Quests without giving quests was the worst aspect of Dark Souls, it's silly. There is a reason there are thousands upon thousands (pretty much everyone who played dark souls) looked up a guide or a video of quest locations and their completion just because of how confusing and unnecessary it is... (great example would be the rat in dark souls 3 where he would die if you don't do some stuff in specific order that isn't specified or said what to do and so on)
Clumsy Fawn what this is the first time I hear this opinion and I have to say that I disagree. Having a quest card that tells you exactly what to do is boring and lazy. Dark Souls way of handling it is way better and it's not like you don't get any tips at all. If you talk to the NPCs they do tell you what to do. But a lot of it have to do with actually taking time to exploring the game by your self. Something which most other gamestudios refuses to give their fans because they think we are all stupid kids who have zero attention span. But FromSoft knows their targeted playerbase and let us figure out stuff by our self instead of treating us like stupid.
McDudes
It simply wouldn't work well in an MMO setting; also, how were you supposed to know how to save the rat after the 2nd travel he has, without looking up a guide?
FromSoft knows their targeted playerbase? Doubt it, otherwise there wouldn't be thousands of views for guides and videos on how to do quests, and also tell the lore because most people can't understand it.
Let it Die
*Elden Ring*
That destroyer jab was pretty good, but you should have added summoner to it.
+Tom Mitchell and blade cancer :D
You've done an excellent explanation of both games, bravo
After playing both games, I can say this video is very fair. While I agree the combat is more rewarding in BnS (has a feeling of accomplishment, pride, and demands that the player know the mechanics of their class) as well as the questing (in my opinion) is much more engaging and rewarding in BnS due to great story, entertaining cinematics, good rewards. I feel that BDO is a better game, for me anyways. After playing many MMO's but primarily Runescape for the past 15 years, I'm more comfortable in situations that require grinding and where quests are not a primary source of xp/gear. For me BDO is a better fit, but both are incredible games. Simply depends on what you are looking for.
What do you think about revelation online vs BnS? i want install one, but cant choose
Black Desert is better. The netcode is so superior that it allows you to play with almost any latency below 500.
I played Blade and Soul on the NA server, it was hardly playable for me (I'm Australian) Whereas Black Desert is perfect, I don't notice any lag and it's amazing on the NA server. I even have Europeans playing with me on the NA server and they don't notice any latency either.
Black Desert all day every day.
+Vinny Price I disagree about net code. It still pulls you back if you have latency issues. I live in central USA yet ping is 150+ (West Coast Server Only). In BnS, I get 8-15ms Ping (Dallax, TX Megaserver). BnS for me feels like playing console game with local 1v1 almost xD
I only gave my opinion based on the fact that with 300 latency it feels like I have 0 on Black Desert while 300 latency on BnS is unplayable.
+Vinny Price This.
Vinny Price
I see, it's because they calculate damage and hit detection afterward on server so you have smooth gameplay client-side but if you get rooted, you will be pull back to your original position... They have different net code preferences for a reason I think. I would perfer smooth gameplay in BD though^^
TruXByakuya I would prefer smooth gameplay as well. Your first point was terrifyingly off-point though since you compared 150 ping on BDO to 15 ping on BnS which is... Quite simply a poor point to make in comparison or in response to mine, you feel me?
I was comparing how 300 ping felt on BnS compared to how 300 ping felt on BDO.
Being an Australian gamer is suffering.
I think it's worth to mention that BDO's pvp is tailored towards GvGs. There's a reason why BnS's pvp is pretty much all arena, it's because that system wouldn't really work in an open-world environment. You can't have an overly intricate combat system when the game revolves around fights with 100+ people.
+Ambient I agree that BnS pvp is tailored toward 1 vs 1 as open world pvp (yes it does exist in blade and soul) is almost non-existent. As Fevir explained well in video, BnS is tailored more for esport.
there is tons of open world PvP when you're doing faction quests
+Ainz Ooal Gown world pvp in blade soul doesnt work, its completly unbalanced and it sucks...BnS pvp is all about arenas...And dont get it the wrong way... i love blade and soul, but thats the truth and i am fine with it!Finally a game where Zerg is not the only thing required
+akhs denlew it's not unbalanced if someone has better gear than that's your fault not having good gear
+Ainz Ooal Gown who said anything about gear? Are you having illusions my friend?
In my opinion these MMOS are both different. One focuses on eSports arena PvP (putting mechanics to PvE to practice for PvP) the other is just for grinding and looting and doing random stuff (like a general MMO where everythng is balanced in a sense).
+T-101 I play Blade and Soul since the official release in Europe and I was disapointed as i saw the first time the arena ... it looks not like Martial arts it looks like "Mambo Jambo" .
I think the only reasone the game is use for ESports is because that many people play it .
How are you not more popular... I just don't get it. Your ability to actually articulate these topics opposed to every other youtuber is mind blowing. 10/10
Blade and soul 8/10
Black Desert 5/10
This Video 10/10
"Or slightly lower skill if you play destroyer" Lmao
I can't stand gear based combat.
+Killua Zoldyck I like gear-based combat for PvE; I think it's a ridiculous thing for PvP. Thus, I think BnS is ideal for PvP - especially Arena, 1v1 or tag-team. BDO also has SEVERE ganking penalties in open world PvP (karma system), there are none in BnS.
+Private User Severe in Korea you mean. It isn't severe in NA/EU.
what game isn't gear based combat now a days?
God, Fevir. It's like everyday I sit at work wondering about an particular aspect of Black Desert your right beside me writing a new video about it. Keep it up, man. Great video, again.
Dude you are a beast at editing, commentating, and just all around badd assss, def got your self a sub
black desert is like vindictus witch open world
+Cezary Ruszkowski played vindi for 4 or 5 years (maybe more) i can see where ur getting at but nothing can replace or beat vindi's combat system its just great so is the gfx considering its time but u know that game has wayyy more cons than pros (srry i got off topic haha)
its definitely Continent of the Ninth Open world version (same game creators)
Brah... don't even compare... Vindictus combat feeling/system is way superior..
Very nice breakdown, was actually wondering what the difference was between the two. Thanks!
but which one is a more social experience? Which one forces the players to work with others (form guilds, meet new people, and feels more like a community game) more than the other?
You really go in depth and make everything clear and I appreciate you comparing these two games
As someone who loves both games equally, I have to say that BDO has more free world roam freedom (I'm Plum too and I love dashing around the battlefield), but in the end BNS battle system is more fun. Key: BDO = Black Desert Online BNS = Blade and Soul (it's the name for it in the Chinese version, the one I play).
Have you tried fighting a world boss? I'm 57 Plum with 160 AP 230 DP (rounded I haven't played in a while) and world bosses (where you get livertos and boss armor) can two hit me.
"I can do a lot of things" if that phrase is faced towards field mobs, yeah sure everyone can do that, rather, BDO people will frown upon you if you die in PVE fighting non-bosses.
Now let me elaborate and provide evidence how BNS is better than BDO in combat:
First lets look at the combat system in BDO:
Have you fought PVP with someone higher lvl than you? After lvl 50, leveling up and accuracy becomes the biggest part of the game. A level 52 vs a lvl 50, similar gear, the 52 will win 100%, even if the lvl 50 has higher skill. This is because of the ACCURACY SYSTEM. To hit someone higher level than you, you need a shit ton of accuracy just to hit them. The only way to combo in BDO is to chain combos, stiff->stun->stiff->stun->knockdown.
For Maehwa It would be Charged shot (knock back) -> Chase -> Dragon Bite (stiff) -> Decapitation (stun) -> backwards chase through opponent -> Forward Blind stab by using foward+lmb+space (stiff)-> blooming (stun) -> Backstep Slash (stiff) optional -> Redmoon (knockdown) -> Ascension.
However the problem with comboing is that 90% of the time you won't be able to do your full combo. If ONE attack misses due to accuracy or server lag (which is VERY prominent), your opponent can move since if you chain two stuns or two stiffs together the second effect is not applied.
Long story short, in BDO, unless you have an accuracy build, or bheg and liverto ( that's what I use and still isn't enough), any sort of skill fighting isn't very satisfying especially when everyone's teleoporting around because of desync.
Now lets talk bosses. In BDO you never feel a strong sense of accomplishment after taking down a boss. Scroll bosses everyone can solo, unless you're fighting the new strong version of them. But if you lose, like the video said, you just think "I'm not geared enough" because most times when you lose to bosses, it isn't after a long struggle of dodging and blocking, but rather you got wrecked by the boss in a couple hits (if bosses are strong enough to beat you, they are probably the type to hit through your block). In BDO, you're either destroying the boss because you're overgeared and getting knocked down and smacked doesn't kill you, or you get smacked and it kills you. (most bosses either does knock down or knock back for every hit). Fighting a boss in BDO usually never lasts longer than 3 minutes. Except for field bosses that requires like 30 people to fight them. BNS also have 24 people field bosses that usually have about 15 people fighting them, and yeah they both take hella long, difference is, BNS field bosses usually don't one hit you, and even if you do die you can revive yourself constantly without having to lose 10% xp in one boss fight.
Potions: BDO has a potion cooldown of 3 secs if I remember correctly, this ultimately lets you spam pots in any fights. A very RPG like element but not something that's really skill based.
Mana: BDO characters either us MP or WP, both of which can be replenished with potions, not much limitations there, just remember to drink when you're low.
Death system: You're greatly punished for dying. You lose EXP. about 1-2%. For those who don't play BDO this might seem ridiculous to care about but by lvl 57, it takes about an hr of grinding to get 1-2% of EXP. Although I think they took away the xp lost from getting PKed, random lag can still take that hour from you. And yes I played since launch and it sucks to get griefed over and over and losing hours of gameplay because of some random asshole (btw you can't teleport in BDO, if you're out in the fields, have fun trying to make it back a no-pk zone).
_______________________________________________________________________
Part 2:
Now lets talk why BNS is better:
PVP: As the video has stated, Level, gear, and special effects from your weapon and accessories don't apply in arena PVP. All you have is your choice of skill and their effects against an enemy class. Every class is balanced against another, but a lot of skill is required. Fighting someone without knowing how their skills work will always guarantee you a lost. Swordmaster vs Assassin for example. Any Swordmaster is used to blocking whenever shit goes down and they don't know what to do, this means a noob Swordmaster will block a lot when they get stunned, flashbanged, or when the Assassin goes ninja mode invisible. However, most Assassin skills neglect block and some even directly break blocks to hold you in longer CCs, skills they other can't use unless you're blocking. So unless you know your enemy's class, there's no fighting them. In PVP, you have to consider positioning (not as much as BDO though, which is a minus), you have to consider your own and opponent's cooldown time and the skills they have left, I'll make a point about this in the next paragraph.
In BNS, falling down, getting knocked to your knees, and being stunned, is the three kinds of CC your opponents can have on you, but unlike BDO, you can don't lose all control and fight once you get CCed. For every 30s or so, you can roll out of a CC (however this can only be used immediately after a CC, if you weren't expecting the CC and wait a second longer it won't activate), for every 10s or so, you cam immediately get backup after a Knockdown by pressing 1 but if you're hit while trying to get up, you'll get knocked down again for a longer period of time. You can press tab that usually has a CC element on surrounding enemies but has an extremely long cooldown time. You can press 3 and lay on the floor, in this state if an enemy attacks you, you turn the tables on them by getting up and knocking them down in the process, or you can press 4 and just lay down and block all incoming attacks before getting back up. Which skills to use, you have to choose carefully since every one has a downside. The common one being the long cooldowns, if you enemy catches you using up all your escape skills, you'll be a sitting duck.
PVE:
Most quests in BNS won't require you to kill more than 15 of a mob, mainly because like the video said, it's exciting but also a pain in the ass, average trash mobs have blocks, dodges (s), knockdowns, and big damage dealers, some might even send you into the air and combo you. But this is what makes combat skill demanding and interesting. Instead of training a ton of people behind you like you do in BDO because you have good gear, doing the same thing in BNS could guarantee your death, since if 5 NPCs each take their turn CCing you, you won't even be able to fight back.
Bosses:
60% of bosses in the game can be soloed. If you know their attack patterns you're fast enough with your fingers, you'll be able to fight most boss. I'm saying this as a person living in the US playing Chinese servers at 220ms ping. The other 40% that can't be soloed is gear related. Not defensively so you don't get 1-hited, but offensively. Bosses in the game tend to all have a natural regen rate, if your dps can't beat their regen rate, you can be fighting him for hours till your weapon breaks and he'll still be at 100%. BNS soloing bosses can take anywhere from 4 minutes - 45 minutes depending on your gear and what boss you're fighting.
Potions: You can use HP potions, they heal 30% of your hp, but they have a 1 minute cooldown.
Mana: You can't spam attacks in BNS. Every class consists of a system with 10 orbs of mana. Some skills use a little mana, some use a lot, and some skills recover mana. Mana doesn't recover through time when in combat. How you choose to use those 10 orbs and how to recover them its always something for you to think about and plan for.
Death system: The game doesn't hate you for dying. Once you die, you enter a crawling stage like second chance in COD. However, in BNS you can crawl over to a safe spot away from the fight and revive yourself. Some classes such as destroyers and lyn blade masters have the power to lift you and drag your butt away from the fight too. Reviving yourself takes 20 seconds. While you're doing this, other people can also attempt to help you revive. for every one person helping, the time is cut in half. 3 people reviving you at the same time can almost revive you instantaneously. If you do manage to get hit while crawling or reviving, you'll enter a dead state. The only thing you can do is spawn back at the beginning or use a charm to revive yourself or see if your teammates have a charm. However, dying only takes away weapon endurance and nothing else. If you die at a boss you feel the urge to fight it again, and only give up once your weapon breaks (there's items that let you fix your weapons without having to find a forge too). Ultimately, in BNS, dying is a learning experience, it doesn't make you hate the game, you just blame yourself and have the desire to get better.
General combat: In BDO, you have one set of skills and must constantly repeat that set. The only classes that changes skill sets are Plum and Blader with dual wielding. This problem is generally fixed with Awakaning weapons providing players with a new set of skills, but at that point you sort of feel like you're playing two completely unrelated classes, regardless I still love the awakenings in BDO.
However, this skill variety problem was never a problem in BNS. In BNS, every character has at least 2-4 "stances" that lets you do different skills at a different stance. Swordmaster has the most I think, with the Normal Sword Skill Stance, the Battou stance (speed sword drawing), Flying Sword Control Stance, and like every other class the "downed stance" with the list of skills you can use after getting CCed (these skills are different for every class).
BDO's combat system isn't bad, and including the world and graphics and the non-combat skilling you can do in the game like swimming and sailing, fishing and cooking and farming, I'd definitely say Black Desert Online is the superior game among the two. But if we're talking about combat alone, Blade and Soul takes the cake for me.
thanks buddy for taking the time to inform us :) , btw just one last question i like the combat in for honor and blade symphony which game would i like am guessing blade and soul ? since i dont really get into proffetions in mmos :)
hm...let's say this, BNS gameplay, despite not being tab targeting (u can lose your target if you look away, every character has a Q E SS attack which is essentially your i-frame dodges that can swift you behind your enemies and in that case they have to manually turn around to try to hit you), it's very similar to tab targetting. It's fast paced in that you have to watch out for cooldowns, skill combos, stances, and etc. However there's not that much movement or positioning required. There are several projectile skills that lock onto enemies and the only way for them to dodge them is either to rely on the system "dodge stat" or to use Q E SS (the left dash, right dash, and back jump) i-frame to dodge things. Though it is kinda like tab targeting and you can't run around freely or fly while in combat, pvp, or even pve (since humanoid enemies can also Q E SS) could become a freakin naruto dash fest where you and your enemy just continuously attempt to avoid an attack and get behind the other.
Black Desert on the other hand requires A LOT of composure. No one attack is limited to one target. Even your basic punch and slashes attacks everything it touches. If you play long range classes, or classes with long range skills such as ranger or blader/plum with their bow, you need to manually aim your arrows as if you're playing a 3rd person shooter. Some characters like mages are slightly less mobile than others (mages do have a teleport with long i-frame but also long cooldown), generally all pvp fights would require both parties to dash around the battlefield and use their surroundings to their advantage. There's also a trick for you to manually spin your camera around and backdash through an enemy to get behind them and launch an attack, producing the same effect as BNS's Q E SS except it requires a lot of practice before you can get a hang of it.
However Black Desert's NPC's are retarded. Their damage output can be high and kill you in a couple hits but there's generally no skill in killing them. If they're lower level than you, you can button mash and kill them. If they're a lot higher level than you (their name would be either red or purple), then no matter how good you are you'll get wrecked because of the accuracy system. If they're higher level than you no matter what skills you use for CC they won't be affected.
While Blade and Soul is very Asian fantasy oriented with qinggong and flying swords everywhere and colorful attacks, Black Desert definitely gives more a European medieval vibe, even in the sound of combat, BNS sounds a lot more like a fantasy mmo, whereas you can hear metal clashing in Black Desert.
When you ask which game you would like better it's hard to answer. I really want to say Black Desert because the European feel, the clash of metal, the skill requirement to fight other players, and the general control you have over your own character, if you spend a lot of time grinding (the only way to level up) you might get bored in Black Desert.
In Blade and Soul you level up through quests and instances, the monsters and bosses are all like typical mmo monsters and require knowledge, skill, and tactic to beat. But the BNS world revolves solely around the main quest storyline and the instances while Black Desert has so much more to do, especially after the new patch you can go sailing to other lands, diving for treasure, in addition to all the skills you'll probably find in Runescape like fishing hunting farming potionmaking etc.
wow thank you sir for the very indept informationi very much apreacite it :) , just one little question if we were to add skyforge to the mix , then which one would be challenging like for honor or blade symphony , pretty much as long as i can parry and punish i like that very much :)
If you like parrying I personally think Blade and Soul does it better. Sure Black Desert has classes that lets you block (Valk, Warrior, Blader, Plum) and pretty much most of the classes after they awaken, it doesn't feel as rewarding as it does in Blade and Soul when you block.
When you play BNS and want to parry, play as either the Lynn blade master, the Jin/Kun blade master, or the fighter. All of those classes have a block/attack that if you execute within 0.5 secs of when the enemy attacks, you get to execute other attacks or stun the opponent. Warlock and Mage also has those blocks depending on the skill tree you choose.
Every class is really customizable so two players can play the same class and might have competely different attacks. Don't worry you can change your style depending on the situation (boss fight, grind, pvp) whenever you like.
Like I said, Blade and Soul combat feels a lot more fun, but Black Desert has a better world feel and more things to do.
Jesus, I wish someone would combine those two games ;-)
I was really depressed when I found out that Blade and Soul is not a sandbox like Black Desert.
+Traumglanz BDO isn't a sandbox anymore, they changed direction during production and made it a themepark, with small sandbox elements.
+Elite Knight Vhalir It's still got pretty large sandbox elements. When you look at other more themepark MMO's like GW2, or WoW, or Wildstar, you'll be able to see the large level of freedom that BDO provides. Quests don't really give XP outside of a handful, and if you don't walk around a bit and talk to NPCs, you won't even be able to see the quests they have the potential to offer. The game doesn't really direct you to it's "rides" like a lot of MMO's do. You get your hand held for the first hour or two perhaps, and then you're sort of dropped into the world, free to do what you will with it.
+Elite Knight Vhalir during production..? The game has been out in Korea since 2014. And it's still primarily a sand box. Not sure where you're getting this idea.
+Dane Hernandez He's probably just another misinformed person, so many of those when it comes to BDO.
I was hardly wrong with my accusation to the game, it is a themeparked sandbox game. Has sandbox elements, that were made linear to a become like a ride. Trading is linear, farming linear, fishing linear, horse breeding linear, reasons to interact with other players very limited. I take back my statement of it being a themepark with small sandbox elements, and call it a sandbox themepark. Lot of things to do in the game but the tasks are all rather linear. Still an incredibly fun game though and highly recommend to people looking for a sandbox till a real sandbox comes out.
I lost it at the keyboard smashing part :p
Great vid, Fevir!
i like you referenced dynasty warriors that is exactly how BDO feels to me and I love it:)
+sanosuke1981 Me too. I will never say it out loud but I am one of those terrible people that buy every single one and play them TO DEATH.. except I don't fuck with the spin off ones like the Zelda one.. but I hear there is an Attack on Titan version that I might mess with
+Fevir haha I haven't played them all but a played 1-4 a ton and always had a thing for destroying hordes of enemies with an overpowered hero... the videos of the tamer and her awakening looks like it was plucked directly from dynasty ha
+sanosuke1981 i like how he referenced D2/Poe and D3 in terms of build choices
The day Dragon Nest have graphics like BDO and open world, people will go crazy.... Best combat in mmo for me
soul worker is as close as your gonna get to that so far
+iIi ENT Could be but has 2 things that piss me off on DN...gender lock and no open world =\
+-l[]Slade[]l- ahh didnt know it wasn't open world
Ehh.. i played DN a lot of times.. I quit a lot of times... Combat feels clunky to some extent. I prefer BDO ^^ But that's just my opinion
Thank you for this. Black Desert it is for me. It sounds a bit more unforgiving in the choices that you with regards to skillbuilds like many older RPG's , and I prefer that.
while i agree on most things you said, there's one that bothers me a lot, in BnS classes arent as balanced for pvp as you said, its more about knowing your matchups and rock paper scissor.
for example if a KFM is to fight both a destroyer and an assassins with the same skill, the destroyer will only win against the kfm when he makes massive mistakes as the kfm will sweep the floor with him most of the times, while the assassin needs to make many mistakes to be beaten by the kfm, as this would normally have no chance to do anything.
there's fair matchups, but there's also heavy counters
I played a Destroyer in Blade and Soul. I could run into a boss room, pull every single enemy, and start hitting tab to spin like a blender and destroy everything in seconds. Then I learned how to grab enemies and throw them around, and while slower, it was a lot of fun to smash their faces in. Then I learned how to grab enemies and spin them around like a blender, and then throw them, so it all worked out. By comparison, Black Desert's wizard combat feels fast and dynamic, especially since you can cancel so many animations. There are so many ways to speed yourself up that I found myself practicing tech skill on dummies early on. I want to try the PvP in BnS but it seems like you need to unlock skill points by leveling, and I can't see myself being competitive against someone who has their talent trees filled out. Leveling is extremely tedious in Blade and Soul, even when you skip all the dialog. It's about as satisfying as filling out a checklist, by which I mean the actual act of putting checkmarks on things. Thousands of checkmarks, all the way down the page, front and back.
both are fun to me:) but i greatly prefer BDOs world and overall gameplay
I got to max level several times in BnS and I never once needed to chain cc...I spammed attacks to kill
What classes, you solo/duo or full party?
+MrDrainBramaged well just pvp a little bit you will be obliged to cc combo if you want rank up the ladder at least a little bit the rest is pure skill and mind games but it depend on the class for killing mob if you play fm you just need to keep the distance and burst the mob but if you play assassins you will need to go stealth for a better damage and stun the mob for better dps too!
u obviously know nothing
+MrDrainBramaged IKR I WAS WONDERING WTF THIS GUY IN THE VIDEO WAS TALKING ABOUT XD
Ashby Richard
i obviously know you are a troll
Played blade and soul for a while, once my friend gifted me Black Desert on steam to try out there was just no way I can go back to Blade and Soul. BDO has so many things for you to do unlike blade and soul, its based around pvo and pve which black desert also does but it also focuses on economy, making black desert more hard to get into, but once you play for a long time its SO ADDICTING. Everything goes into depth! Horses, gardening, housing, storage, warehouses, marketplaces, gathering, everything.
If only my character's upper body didn't so often look wonky moving about during combat in B&S, or if only movement speed wasn't arbitrarily slowed upon entering combat...
Playing the small, agile Tamer in class has made me reimagine the bounds of what fluid fighting can look like, and just how beautiful it can be. Though, Assassin (minus perma-stealth) and Blade Dancer will always have my heart in terms of the actual combat flow.
That destroyer jab LOL
+Tanner Aubrey i always thought it was s(c)ummoners who got all the jabs XD
I wish BDO is more tactical than what it is :(
+jonathan tobiasson how everyone just talking about kfm, funny
it is, part of the tactical part is life skilling and lvling up gear.
I love how people can't just simply admit one game is better for them as a player than the other. No need to shit on one game to justify liking the other better. Both are great games.
+TheSizNation i mean lets be honest FF11 is still alive and making money and expansions i say its the real winner here
I really really like BDO, but the gear gap is fucking insane
thats true but every game has his advantges and disadvantages. im playing bdo since release and enjoy it more than before
Black Desert Online = Massive seem-less sandbox (No loading), Massive scale battles with GvG/PvE focus (700+ players in GVG simultaneously), intricate economic system with depth, and realistic style.
Blade and Soul = Large theme park, hub based open world with 1v1 PvP focus, simple auction house, and artistic style.
Both games have combat but BDO is GvG and BnS is 1v1 PvP.
+TruXByakuya not true ;)
Its depent which side u choose and then u have more than 1vs1 pvp ;)
Ok but it's still true that BnS is focus 1v1... The combat design is revolve around that fact ^^
+TruXByakuya you forgot faction vs faction on bns
FvF is just a gank fest. It's fun but has little balance imo.
+TruXByakuya I play BDO Kr for 6 months. And my guild (IDEA) ranking 40.
GvG ??? We do GvG 2 times a week. Sometime we fight with rank 1 G. And 1 guy of them can kill ~20 of us.
ok ~.~
why do you have broccoli as your image?
+Trec93 my original gaming handle has been broccolii- foreveeeeer
+Fevir That is sad, named after one of the worse foods ever.
after playing both, this is a very hard comparison to make because the games are so different, to the extent that this in itself is a very secondary issue. i'd even go as far to say that combat preference doesnt matter as much just because the games themselves are so vastly different imo. that said, i've noticed in playing BnS there is a feeling of depth that becomes second nature afterwhile, whereas in BDO you dont need to "learn" the combat as much. You can stick to spamming 1-2 moves and wreck everything as long as it hits multiple enemies, but that isnt necessarily bad in the context of the game itself.
Based on your thoughts, I prefer the system in BDO. I am not a twitch player. My reflexes just simply aren't what they once were and I prefer more RPG depth. Thanks for the vid.
So in summery, BD=hack and slash combat and BS= 3d fighting game
I agree combat is better in blade and soul, I just play Black desert because it does all the other things 100x better.
Skill based game vs Grindy Hack and Slashy game.
Bdo is an open world sandbox game where you veel involved in the world. Yes bns has a better combat system in my opinion but i can not care about the world at all.
+GeneralTrue i prefer mobs with AI and mechanics, and descent challenge bosses, group content, etc, so i chose BnS. i don't care that much about open world or for the world when bosses offer 0 challenge and they're just punching bags with just high hp, and mobs are easy for 5 year old kids with 0 IQ and more noob than a noob that is more noob than a noob. in BnS there are mobs(mostly on high lvl dungeons) that put bosses on BDO on shame
SapiaNt0mata
I agree with you that bdo is too easy but i just really love the open world crafting and everything outside the mobs.
Ey but everyone their own game and i hope you enjoy bns =)
GeneralTrue i enjoy the hell out of it cause it has a shit ton of content i can do with group
Hello Fevir, I'm not used to comment on YT, but here I have to let you know that you're content is really great in my opinion ! Go on, I'll follow you :)
I am surprised that someone else thought of Blade and Soul as a (simplified) fighting game.
Comparsion is sort of pointless, both games are different, and its all about personal opinion.
I personally waited years for Blade and Soul, and didnt even care for BDO. I played B&S since beta, like daily 10+ houts if possible. 3 lv 45 characters and i must tell you : Its like a second job, like last week i finally gave up, its just irritating to play it every day for pointless daily quest that yield minimal gold that you can only use up for gear upgrades.Not to mention the insane irritating things like Lobby system or retarded design flaws....and dont even want to start with the extremely bad optimalized engine that runs the game with like 13 fps in 10v10 battles (on a monster pc).
After i played BDO i realized, this is what i wanted. Even trough its grindy, its fun, because oyu can do sooo MANY things with the money...not just gear.And Pvp is massive and more interactive. Ok Blade and Soul had really really good pvp, trough its more of a stunfest somethimes, but its only 1v1 and 3v3.
If we are OLNY talking about combat...B&S might like 8,5 ish, when Bdo is more like 8 ish. Still find Tera to be the king with 9 ish, because it not only made a good action combat, but it also managed to get trinity run.
+Kilyén Balázs I agree, though I am happy, that there is no holy trinity in BDO.
You can call a war and play pvp wearing costumes of different faction in normal maps.
+Kilyén Balázs this is the problem here, blade and soul is not action combat, why do people keep thinking it is, bdo is action combat while bns is hybrid ai assisted tab targeting, its 2 completely different combat system and mechanics, so how can this guy make a video asking which game does action combat better when one is action combat and the other is hybrid combat?
+Sanjay Nowbut people dont believe me when i tell them these things about BnS
So link to buy black desert but not blade and soul..?
Blade and Soul is free to play
Still not a link to download though. :l
Just search Blade and soul in google and there is... facepalm
The same can be said for Black Desert.
Hey Fevir, awesome video. One thing I'd like to add is that Black Desert is going to get a new (equalized) duel 1v1 system in the summer, and with this feature I'd assume a flurry of class balances will come, so the game will have much more potential for skill-based 1v1.
I think that a better way to summarize the video is: If you like PVP, play Blade and Soul. If you like PVE play black Desert.
PVE in Blade and soul is absloute garbage. And it feels that the PVE world is pretty much like a tutorial to get you ready for PVP.
+DaniTheHero if you play bns and you've get paired up with some VERY incompetent player in dungeons, you will eventually know exactly how boring pve is when all 5 teammates die to a miniboss (as in, not the final boss) and you are left to solo an enraged gorilla thing in bloodshade harbor for example.
luckily they more or less fixed this in the recent patch. In the newer dungeons, if the boss enrages its a very clean, very swift, and very certain wipe.
to conclude, blade and soul pve is NOT like a tutorial. It requires a whole different set of skills, both player wise and character wise, but still a lot of skills (except if you are a ranged class)
Blade and Soul hands dow
Broken Pride bns= boobs and soul
Kyenxos I've played both. And BNS is still way better. It condition abilities needs skill
I played in both games. (prefer PVE game style!) B&S is more likely for PVP, quests are so boring, but it have nice main plot, upgrading is so easy and instances same. I gave up after week, get 43lvl, that was too easy, not complicated. I think BD is harder, there are so many things to do, mounts, fishing, grinding, housing and this character creator (uhh
+Rayon Aveness lol the most honnest comment I saw yet, and I can only agreed :)
Nice one ! and YEAH LEAGUE IS a BEAST x)
B&S for the most part prepares you for pvp unintentionally if you pay attention to how your class skills operate in combos
Word, good breakdown. I think context is king these days as there isn't really much variety in the combat systems themselves among "action" mmo's. I tried BnS and pretty quickly found myself saying "this is barely different from GW2's new action mode, except I can only dodge in one direction here." The world is what matters, and in that regard, there is no contest between these two games. Unless you're bout dat epeen obviously. I think this comes down to age tbh and I'm soooo glad BDO is b2p, that plus not having gratuitous tits plus not being "leet" means I'll be dealing with much less riff-raff, win win win.
PEACE???????????????????????????????!
+Illicit Industries What Peace ?
+Ninja Saga I think he's talking about the Black Desert fanboys Vs. Blade & soul fanboys war
Tunergi Archoz The problem is nobody can ignore them. They don't know how much work is behind a game, so they just say like a binary computer : Bad/Good. Actually, they are kids, and what I don't understand is why are people still listening to stupid and useless kids.
You forgot the part where bots are 99% of the arena in BnS.
+Anselmo Rancharan maybe on your high elo let me guess u get rekt by the gold destroyer bots? xd
if you are that bad so you can't even get pass bot elo you shouldn't play the game. no offense but just do pve for the rest of your life...
So here's something that bothered me in the JP version - this may have changed in the NA/EU version of BDO.
Newer classes typically were arguably better. (thanks to you bringing up dodge-canceling) my best example of this is that the Sorceress - one of the first classes introduced to BDO has a dodge-cancel ability unlocked at around level 34, I believe it is. Meanwhile, many of the new classes, such as the Archer (ranger...whatever the fuck) has dodge-cancelling natively built into their kit without needing to spend the skill points.
Between leveling both my archer and my sorceress to 50, I found that the archer was very effective from the early levels and stayed very effective all the way to 50. Meanwhile, the sorceress started out weak, and became moderately effective at 50 - the effectiveness could only be subsidized by proper gear, and on my server, the only time top-tier Sorceress gear came up was on very rare occasions for WAY TOO FRIGGIN MUCH MONEY.
5:28 @Fevir Just wanted to mention that although Blade and Soul mobs do have AI, their AI is randomized actions, with only minor reactions (if they take a certain number of hits they will block/parry, but they will always go through the same rotation of attacks).
Black Desert doesn't have as much AI flexibility, mostly resorting to ranged enemies using ranged skills when at range, and melee enemies trying to get in range for attacks. I haven't gotten past Glish's general area yet (that's the 4th town, 3rd after Olvia, the starting town), but so far enemies have actually been quite varied and unique, despite having weak AI. Blade and Soul suffers in this department, where, as mentioned prior, most mobs are cookie cutter clones of the in game classes.
Combat in BDO is spammy and easy as hell.
+jonathan tobiasson SPIN TO WIN
+Kexin you've obviously never played the game to it's extent
+Kexin Look, a guy that hasnt made it past level 20
+Kexin Spammy, yes. Easy? Yeah if you're playing cautiously and not pulling 15 purples at a time which there is zero reason not to do if you want to level quickly / grind efficiently. BDO offers you the challenge, it's there if you want it. If you're a casual and just want to kick back and ezmode it? Go for it. Just don't expect the same results. BDO wins out for me because it actually has content outside of -just combat- where as BnS does not. BDO has a massive world that most players will never fully explore and tons of features half the playerbase doesn't even know exist.
BnS... has dueling. Which is great, except why not just pick up a fighting game or some other instant action title instead? Where's the MMO in BnS? I've played both games for a couple months each. One if a fulfilling, immersive experience. The other feels a theme park with a psuedo fighting game thrown in. Why not just play BDO, and street fighter on your other screen while running to the next town? That's what I do.
+Kexin I thought the same thing, till i got to level 30.
Fuck, now I want to play both...
+TMFlesh BnS has less to offer and combat is less intuitive. Skip it.
Skeptic Gamer
Less intuitive does not necessarily mean worse for everyone, I actually the more complex fighting in BnS. That is actually the second biggest reason I want to play it. The first obviously being lolis.
TMFlesh It has more depth but it feels worse. Easy to tell if you're familiar with fighting games.
Skeptic Gamer
I used to play fighting gamed a lot when I was younger but I was always a casual player, don't play so much anymore. I'll still keep that in mind when I try it but I can't not a least give it a go.
+Skeptic Gamer I couldn't disagree more, mate. Mastering the combat system in Bns is something that I've had tons of fun trying to do.
Great explanation, I've been playing BnS for a long time now and wanna try out Black Desert. Your video will let me cope with what to expect on Black Desert!
That was quality content, and easily the best BnS/BDO comparison I've seen thus far. Subscribed!
black desert + blade and soul = C9
Never lol, C9 is not Open World
what the hell is c9
Vandy Niyomkham Continent of the Ninth
Continent of the Ninth, developed by the devs of Black Desert Online. Combat between two titles feels similar, but is bit more fluid at C9 from what I have experienced
told yall bns is better ✌🏼️
+Jake dg I think Blade & Souls combat is solid. But I don't understand why it's even a MMORPG. I could definitely see something like BnS in the future designed like The Division or Destiny. For me, almost everything that BnS does to be a MMORPG is very medicore outside of it's combat and the PvP. Than again...it was released awhile ago originally.
+Jake dg Yeaahh.....no both games have their pros and cons.
+Devon Ohashi mmmmm nope, BnS is just a better game. They don't even need to make it b2p to make profit.
Hmmm Interesting I play both games and prefer BDO because the PvP isn't 1v1 oriented and more of an open world sandbox :P. I'm sorry that you couldn't afford a $30 game :c
Devon Ohashi Salty... did I hit a nerve? You got played so hard that you actually believe it's a sandbox, that's hilarious.
Also in black desert online there is no max as to how many skill points you get. It may take some time but you could unlock every ability.
+Chance Bartz I mean.. there isn't... but there really is.
+Chance Bartz thats not true, 700 is max.
+ToryLeagueOfLegends yes but with 700 you can spec into all skills
+Chance Bartz With HM levels, the same applies to Blade and Soul. You just have specs so you don't have five different versions of the same skill at one time.
So really, the concise way to explain it is that one is sandbox-action based and the other is a themepark-action. (you are more like to find the gear is more important that one over the other, not that this is some hard rule, just what you are likely to find).
+BINARYGOD Neither one is themepark at all. go play wow.
Dalton Evans
Several sites, including the game's own site, list BnS as themepark. I guess the people who made the game don't know what the made, and places like MMOHut and MMORPG are equally cluseless about a game they cover.
"go play wow" - lol, WHAT about my comment implies I would ever want to play THAT again? Haven't touched it since just after the very first xp. Not even sure how my comment implies anything about my playstyles in ANY game.
Try harder the next time you troll - I only responded so someone else reading doesn't considering your misinformation to be something more valid. Or don't - I DID reply to it, so I guess the troll got what it wanted.
Difference between BDO and B&S: one is f2p and another is B2p
+Crimson Haze Yeah but B&S has really over priced cash shop and hides wardrobe behind subscription, the bad pricing is what made me quit it in the end after hitting max lv. Asking 10$ for an extra page to skill setup page is ridicules. Selling 15$+ box that give random stuff when you open it just screams "watch out" for the future.
Black Desert fanboy tries to compare his favorite Asia Grinder with an at least "westified" Asia MMO.
Cute. Nice try.
+Shurchil Guides News Gameplays a-ha...
bosses in bns are harder. Out of melee pull/pounce, Unblockable red AOE, Full area One shot party wipe, Enraged timer and reset zone.
+Volinus Tactics. It's all about tactics. If you see a red unblokable AOE, then time your double S button precisely to avoid the damage.. or, just stay away from red zone.. or, use a personal protection skill like Warlock's C button or Assassin's Lotus Fury or FM's ice body shield thing...
The whole party ends up in 1 shot wipe if the boss takes too long to kill. It's not like u can fight a boss for an hour or something. With right strategies and a team who knows what to do. you can easily kill all bosses in the game without a party wipe.
Combat is more fun in blade and soul, but contents are far better in Black Desert.
Mmos are garbage nowadays
+Leonhardt Just like you.
+Leonhardt These are probably the two best out as of now though.
Black Desert reminds me of Star Wars galaxies in alot of ways.
bns > bdo korean chart says same
+Dark Side BNS is fun at first but it really falls off, it just gets so boring, where'as black desert is more fleshed out, you're never going to find yourself without something to do on BDO
+Dark Side if only bns wasnt pay to win
+DeeDee not true im still having fun as hell i dont find it boring. I love the pvp aspect it makes it feel like a fighting game.
+Dark Side Only reason korean chart "says the same" is because they love competitive arena pvp. If that did not exist, the game would be dead. If you're looking for anything other than arena though, BDO does everything else better.
+Amber Fox BnS Asian servers have some P2W items. but in NA/EU BnS all Pay2Win items are deleted. if you play for free, or pay to buy some stuff that actually doesn't give you advantage is same. plus BDO is p2w
Here's the thing though. Blade and Soul is masked tab targeting. Your attacks will only hit an enemy you have TARGETED unless the ability specifically states that it hits multiple enemies. For example, ranged normal attacks will always hit your target, they literally heat seat your target. It's not true action combat.
I'm in a strange place where i prefer skill based over gear based, i am still going to play BDO because i love the world more, the content more(i prefer open world pvp)
If they listen to the community though maybe they will make the first 15 enchants matter a lot more than the 15+(which are near impossible to get while to get to 15 is much, much easier) and the game will all of a sudden be very skillbased.
But even if remains insanely gear based, i will just get grinding then.
+Kher Roar Honestly the only thing i'd need to get me in BDO, would be a bit more PvE content, now, I know the game is heavily focused on PvP, and i think it's awesome(i'm a PvP player mostly) but you know, sometimes i just wanna lay back and zerg a big ol' boss with random peeps.
This is a very nice video for someone like me that has spent so long in one game and now considering to start the other
BLACK DESERT FTW!
solid points, i would like to add that both have better combat than TERA, in BDO PVE wasn't intended to be a challenge per say, it's all about PVP (like BnS) however they did add a mode where the armors are even
My mom bought me black desert last year for my birthday I played some and I have two level 50 characters on it, but this has made me want to try blade and soul just because. It's free I'm downloading it.
+Fevir i think what you were talking about at 5:50 with bns being tedious i have to say. i love the feel of having a real fight with trash mobs which is a big thing i like about the game
I like both of them. I'm hoping this allows for developers to make an MMO that makes it money from being skill based rather than the normal gear grind. I waiting for something that's finally on the level of Dark Soul craziness. Then I hope it set up sort of like how Planetside 1 was, no gear grind. Level 1 noob could smack you dead with a shotgun, that was the same as your max level player shotgun. The only thing that was different is that you had more options to bring to a fight but you could only select one set of them per day. I miss that kind of fairness.
I like both. After hitting near max in Black Desert I can say with confidence that once you hit your awakening level, and even a little before that, you can really start to see how combo's come into play. Blade and Soul, also still being one of my favorite action mmorpgs to this day has you thinking on how to approach from that start. And there lies the difference. Even though I'm playing B.D.O now I have to say Blade and Soul leaves every encounter feeling like a challenge and it's combat shines from start to finish (like somewhat mentioned in the video). B.D.O you have to work up to a point before you realize: "Oh, key-mashing isn't going to work anymore."
I like them both equally and I find it hard to say which game has the better combat and im usually one to pick a side. Like BF>CoD or DrkS>Skyrim. While those are my opinions my point is here I just can't pick a side because they are both really great games.
Thanks for this :) . Have you tried some dueling already? If so, do you think 1v1s can be taken seriously (balance, skill ceiling etc)? I've mostly seen videos now where group PvP was shown, but I'm more interested in how small scale PvP pans out.
+Xo1ot1 Mirror matches are cool in 1v1.. when we do more organized events for dueling- we would all use low end gear to normalize the gear ourselves.
A weird issue is I think in our build there is this weird CC 4 second immunity/DR that causes wizard/witch to really get shit on
I think the worst part about Black Desert is, that it's a gear focused game, but doesn't show damage numbers.
At least let me gush over the new numbers I can do with new gear
Blade and Soul actually has strategies rather than randomly slash at random enemies like in Vindictus and Black Desert.
lol "Blatantly overpower". Sounds about right lol Oh, looks like a meteor shower tonight. Nah, thats just that wizard from the Wandhersteller family. He must grinding red orcs.
I have 3 level 45s in Blade and Soul but I personally like Black Desert better. Until Dragons Dogma comes out its the closest I can get. I know some may say it sucks but Dragons Dogma has a special place in my heart
Blade and Soul has more complicated and hard to use combat key combos than BDO, which is what put me off from playing it.
Absolutely great video. I myself prefer B&S over BDO.
Only one tiny detail: In B&S arena PvP, stats are indeed normalized, but your skills are not. So if two people go against each other in arena, but one of them is 20 levels lower than the other, then there is an advantage by the higher leveled player because the lower leveled player doesn't have all of their skills and some of the most crucial skills are unlocked at the higher levels.
takes less then a week to get max level. and in high PvP ranks it doesn't matter.
I want to explain about the bad side of BnS arena pvp abit as fevir has explained well about the good side: class unbalance become way more visible in BnS than black desert as gear in arena doesn't matter.
For example, some classes (such as BM) have almost no way of beating a good summoner. Some weak classes are just plainly underpowered (this is an agreed subject among BnS community). In other word, you will feel disappointed that nothing you can do even (no matter how skillful you are) can get you further in your pvp rank. You are essentially "stuck" at some point because the underlying class mechanism is flawed
+steel hunt If you are specifically referring to just BM, then yeah, they are a bit on the under powered side as of now, as NO classes have ANY of their core skills yet. It's FAR more balanced post-50, as that is when we have access to the skills that make us(All classes) more viable for just about any & all situations.
Give it some time & you very well may just change your mind.
Did this vid really well, gratz. Will dl blade and soul based on this and see how it goes and then decide on Black desert from there. One thing I liked about black desert is how good the character creation was. You can make some amazing looking avatars in the vids I watched of that.
I'm playing both these games right now, and they are awesome. Each gives me something I love, BnS the 100% skill-based 1v1 arena and incredibly fun combat system, and Black Desert gives me pretty much everything else... sandbox feel, vast open world, guild wars, deep RPG elements. The only thing that both these games are lacking is a solid, interesting lore and background.
+ElectroMonkey >> I am also playing both. Well, I stopped BnS when BDO came out, as it's so deep and involved, I've forgotten BnS. However, one thing to add to your list: they both have RIDICULOUSLY over-priced Cash Shop items that are totally "meh" in BnS, but almost a necessity in BDO (weight limit and inventory expansion, to name a couple).
BDO is a test of potion chugging or picking the meta class. If you picked ninja, you're out of luck. Awakened ninja is a potion chugging piece of garbage while an awakened warrior is equivalent to an army.
If anyone is watching this to figure out which game to play, here are some pros and cons for those who are interested in Blade and Soul PvP aspect:
Pros:
1. Classes are well-balanced around 1vs1.
2. The combat seems more visually comprehensive than Black Desert
3. The combat feels extremely smooth and satisfying.
Cons (mostly stem from system issues):
1. Bots. You will meet them FOR SURE. On bad days, you will play against them 9 games out of 10 esp in lower leagues.
2. FPS drop. Your FPS will drop in arena if you play pvp for a couple of hours. You can exit the arena and re-join to solve this, but it's tedious.
3. Hackers. This is why I stopped playing this game. They are often seen in diamond level where opponent's character teleports/flickers every second OR he becomes invincible for good 30 seconds.
TLDR: If you are casual pvp player who plays 2-3 games per day, pvp can be satisfying and fun, but if you are competitive-minded like me, dont bother investing your time into this game.
-From a diamond player who played 1000+ games since the NA server launch
+Victer Kim I've been training to get into Diamond but now I'll have to consider what my priorities are for the game, so thanks for letting me know about hackers and whatnot.
WHY THE FUCK CANT WE LIKE BOTH
+TwistedParadox I have both and playing both and im not a:" this is the best game" nerd
So one game is focused on group combat while the other is focused on single combat, is that an accurate summary?
I can't agree. In many things it almost sounded like if you hadn't played any of these games...
To me it feels like Black desert is more than just its combat though. The game itself just has so much more depth than that. BnS on the other hand feels like combat is the only thing there is to the game.
The combat is the only nice thing i can say about blade and soul. The rest I consider unacceptable for an MMO.
I think you gave Blade and Soul's AI a little too much credit. From the perspective of an Assassin, unless you're facing an enemy with some sort of anti-stealth mechanic, there's literally nothing they can do to stop you from destroying them flawlessly, especially near the level cap when you have all your skills. Earlier on it's not much more difficult either because you can almost always juggle them to death and they attack like their joints are filled with molasses.