The Wreck of USS Juneau - The Grave of Brothers
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- USS Juneau is one of the most well-known sinkings of a warship. Due, in large part, to the sheer violence involved. As well as the death of the five Sullivan Brothers aboard her.
Her wreck would, however, not be discovered until 2018. By, as can be expected, Paul Allen's expeditions from RV Petrel. They found a wreck in pieces, with some distinct features not seen on other wrecks.
Obviously, all credit to Petrel and Vulcan for both the discovery and the images.
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My dad was a witness to the explosion of the Juneau from his gun mount on the USS Helena. He told me, "it went up like a powder keg, they never had a chance".
And that was a testament to the destructive power of the Type 95 torpedo, which was derived from the (in)famous Type 93 , aka the Long Lance. Compared to its US counterpart, the horrendously problematic Mark XIV, the Type 93 was the better sub fired torp.
@@kristoffermangila....no shit Sherlock!!!
Damn. Was that comment from Allie Sherlock ? Wow
@@robertsettle2590keep digging Watson!!!!
I had an uncle that was aboard the carrier U.S.S. WASP when it was torpedoed sunk. He survived the war but was troubled for the rest of his life. Alcohol, depression, a failed marriage took its toll on him and he passed away from a stroke in March of 1977.
RIP uncle Arthur, may you eternally be with God in Peace.
My Father served on USS Gambier Bay Kenneth McLaughlin WT3 he passed in 1969 when I was 3. My hope is she is found before I pass.
His ship was never located?
@@jimmieburleigh9549 not yet, Victor Vescovo's team trying to discover Gambier Bay, they found the two deepest wrecks, USS Samuel B.Roberts almost 6.900 meters and USS Johnston almost 6.500 meters below surface
@jimmieburleigh9549 Gambier bay was an escort carrier, Japanese sank it in the Philippine sea in October of 44. Another US navy wreck from the same overall battle, the Samuel B. Roberts, was found in the same area more than 4 miles deep.
At 80 years old, I am the youngest of the 5 Miller brothers who proudly served Our Country. Since the Sullivan brothers were mentioned, the government still honored the Policy used after their deaths. My brothers James and Eugene were in the Korean War together. So they were separated with James in a combat zone and Eugene was in a non combat zone. He could have stayed with James if he chose to do so but was sick and eventually sent home. James stayed in for the Vietnam War and eventually stationed in Japan. By now my brother John had joined and two years later In 1961, I joined the Army too. With 3 of us now in at the same time, the government was still honoring the Sullivan policy and separated us. With James in Japan, they shipped John to Germany and I was eventually stationed stateside on a Guided Missile Site. We were protecting Buffalo and Niagara Falls from ICBM’s launched by Russia over Canada. You see, it was the World about to go to war, it was Known as The Cuban Missile Crisis. People knew of the situation and how World War 3 was about to happen. When President Kennedy put up a Naval blockade of Cuba, we were on high alert. You don’t know how close we were to an all out Nuclear War and the end of mankind as we know it today. With roughly 15,000 Nuclear Missiles striking the earth, the radiation would have killed us all.
A huge thank you to you and your brothers for your service, Sir.
@@MrBruinman86 Thank you, we were all proud of our service and would kid our Navy friends to have an football game with any 5 Navy brothers, in a Army/ Navy battle. We never found 5 Navy brothers but found 4 brothers. Then about 10 years ago, I was at our local High School football game when I found six brothers all Army. Imagine a team will 11 brothers, all Army between just 2 families.
Well done Sir, its unfortunate that you staunch cold warriors sometimes dont get the accolades given in so called hot wars,
Due to you no world wars have started in the nuclear age,
stand easy, be proud, your work is done
@@vicbittertoo Thank You. Ask anyone my age what the tension was like and our President Kennedy didn’t back down from the Russians. If I remember correctly , we were on yellow alert. Meaning our missiles were in the up locked position, ready to fire at any ICBM’s crossing Canada. Today’s tension is building up again but with so many countries with nuclear weapons, you would be an absolute idiot to start a war between any country who had them. But there are many unstable people in this world.
thank you for your service sir.
I served on the 3rd iteration of Juneau, USS Juneau, LPD-10. Also, in 1987, we steamed up to Juneau Alaska for the 4th of July. The city flew in the last 5 remaining crewmen. Met and talked with them several at the VFW Hall in Juneau. Pretty awesome experience.
Thanks for the experience and thank you for your service.
Reading about the violence of Juneau's destruction is one thing, but seeing her shattered remains is much more visceral and really hammers in the point...
I remember reading an account of her sinking several years ago, some of the witnesses saying that one of the 5 inch mounts that got blown off the hull (perhaps the one pictured in the debris field), landed close enough to one of the other ships that it scared the bejeezus out of them, initially looking for all the world like it was going to land on top of them.
I also remember reading that during WWII at least, the Navy kept the true circumstances of the sinking quiet - mainly, the fact that there were survivors, including one of the Sullivan brothers - and that they initially failed to look for survivors, until most of them had perished, including the remaining Sullivan brother - and by the account I read, the remaining Sullivan brother finally had a mental breakdown, from the grief of losing his brothers and the ordeal of being stranded in the middle of the ocean, and one day stated "I think I'm going to take a bath", slipped off into the water, and allowed himself to drown.
Pretty sure what you read is Dan Kurzman’s book, Left to Die. The Tragedy of the USS Juneau. It’s been quite awhile since I read it but sounds pretty familiar.
I read that too also read that his spirit is on the Sullivan in buffalo the rest of his brothers pictures you can take but when you get to his it won’t come out I believe it is his guilt of committing suicide the Sullivan tour guides also said that a man in a navy dress uniform back when they had self tours of the interior would escort groups seemed to know a lot about about the brothers and ship im starting to think the brother is choosing to serve out eternity on the Sullivans and from what I read in article there is evidence his brothers wouldn’t leave him behind they are all on the ship
Note the waffle pattern in the rudder, it's been crushed by water pressure by sinking too fast for flooding to compensate. We have seen rudder damage like this before. Look for picture of the control surfaces on the wrecks of the submarines Thresher and Scorpion. You will see the same waffle patterns.
Good thing she sunk so deep that it will be ‘uneconomical’ for those grave robbers to disturb her.
13,500 feet
@@robertyoung3992is that over 1 Mile❓
I think so
Almost 3 miles down
The loss of Paul Allen has been devastating to these and his aviation collections globally. He was the quiet philanthropist. His family has sold much of the equipment and collections.
The amount of time and shipwrecks discovered made that man a legend. When he passed I automatically knew there would be nobody like him
When the RV Petrel fell off her mounts in dry dock recently, it made me wonder whether Paul was playing a prank from the other side. He had done so much with her ✌️🇬🇧
@@markthompson9914 it’s true. It was also sad to see the ship in that condition.
@@thereissomecoolstuff indeed mate, and as an ex trawlerman seeing any boat in distress turns my stomach,as it reminds me of when my own trawler sank. Like the Petrel she was saved, as it happened at the quayside. Though 36 hours on the bottom in a very silty river added over ten tonne too her overall weight, but she lived too fish another day 👍✌️
Paul Allen's family sold off his collections because they saw money to be had where Paul Allen saw history to be preserved. 🪖
The characters watching the battle of Savo islands in a foxhole is one of the best sequences In “the pacific” once you’re aware of the context of what is happening off the shore
I think it was actually First Guadalcanal they were watching
I read an account when I was a kid in a book published by American Heritage about World War Two. The narrator was a sailor named Allen Heyn who was one of the ten or so survivors of USS Juneau. His battle station was the 1.1 inch gun mount at the stern of the ship. He would have been stationed right above the ship’s name at the stern. When the ship blew up he ended up with a broken ankle, in water covered with an oil slick, with a lot of other wounded men. He described being in the water for many days and nights, clinging to a life raft. Over that time, many of the sailors who survived the explosion succumbed to their wounds or simply drifted away, unable to hold on anymore. Sharks accounted for many more victims. Some men, crazed with thirst, drank sea water and died as a result. Allen managed to hang on, avoid going mad with hallucinations, thirst and PTSD, and was spotted by an aircraft that called in a destroyer to pick him up. Alan Heyn said that one of the Sullivan brothers had survived the sinking and was clinging to the same life raft. He said it was George, the eldest of the five Sullivans. George began hallucinating and said he could see the ship down under the water, and he was going to swim down to it to get some things. I’m not sure, but I think George thought he could get some oranges for them to eat. Alan, suffering from his own delusions, tried to keep George near him but in the end it was no use. George swam away and Alan thought he was gotten by the sharks. This was a frightening true story told by a man who had survived days in the ocean with nothing to eat or drink, while scores of his shipmates went off their heads and succumbed. I no longer have the book, and I can’t even remember the title, but I will never forget this somber survivor’s account.
I also had that book, and remember his account. Seem to recall that it was (perhaps?) the last chapter of the book. Still, a compelling account. Wish I could find that book, but like you, I cannot recall the name.
One who survived, published in 1956
@@litorres4125 Thank you!
Thank You. Great video. My Grandpas best friend was lost on her. He always wondered what happened. He passed in 1997 with out knowing where she went down. I'm sure they are both together now. Much respect.
If you ever get get to tour an old warship, when you are on the engine room, those boilers are hundreds of psi steam at hundreds of degrees. The documentary may read torpedo knocked out an engine room, but a bunch of humans got cooked to death. Give that some thought and appreciation.
when one surveys these images it makes one wonder what hell the last minutes must have been like..the horrific screaming ..the trauma..noise..sights that beg to be unseen..and my thoughts then turn to the unsung heros that tried their best in the worst of times..may they rest in peace seems so inadequate..thanks again Sky for your efforts..
My dad was bent over picking up a drum of 20mm Oerlikon ammo when a Japanese 20mm shell exploded in their gun tub. The explosion took the head off the gunner, still strapped in to the shoulder pads. My dad got shell splinters in his arm and knee which bothered him until he passed away at age 81. The interesting thing was that he said he did not hear the explosion and wondered why the gunner stopped firing and wondered where all of the blood came from. He didn't even feel his own wounds right away.
They made their own ear plugs using 30:06 cleaning patches embedded with beeswax. But he mentioned that the noises of battle were so loud that the brain rejected the signals from his ears. The first time we watched Saving Private Ryan, he made me replay the beach scene multiple times where Captain Miller was confused by the silence. ''See? See? That's what happens when it's so Goddamn loud that your ears can't hear it.'' He also said he wasn't scared during the peak of the battle but was sure they were all going to die really soon. His mission was to feed the gun it's 60 round magazines ''Come Hell or high water''.
He said he wasn't scared until it was all over and he laid in his bunk bandaged up in pain and shaking uncontrollably. Even 60+ years later while telling the story again, his hair would stand on end and his arms would get goose pimples and you could see that he was visibly shaken. Out of the blue many times, he would be driving our 1949 Buick woodie station wagon on the way to going camping or somewhere, he would just say ''War is Hell''. It took me until my late 60's to realize that WWII still haunted him. 95% of his stories sounded like episodes of McHale's Navy, pranks, fun and games, comradery. I grew to deeply respect those guys from ''The Greatest Generation.''
My uncle Clarence Hinson served on the JUEANU and killed that day. Thank you for this presentation.
Thank you to your uncle for his service and may he rest in peace 🙏
Amazing how the rudder was torn off with the entire steering machinery and even the double bottom is clearly visible. Must have been one hell of an explosion to cause that kind of damage.
Before the discovery of the wreck. I figured the wreck was in many pieces. I was surprised to find the main hull intact.
Last year I read Neptune's Inferno and the way the sinking is described. I am still surprised it didn't disintegrate into a million pieces
Just a correction as when talking history, it’s important to get it right. At ~1:03 you say that the Juneau wasn’t found in iron bottom sound in 1990. That’s because the Juneau wasn’t sunk in Iron Bottom Sound. It was sunk over 120 miles SE of IBS; almost due west of San Cristobal Island.
I had no clue that any of her hull was left i was under the impression that it was a complete distinction of the main hull and all that was left were some severd 5 inch gun mounts and twisted metal. Shes in better shape than i thought better being relitive. Love the videos on the wrecks keep them up. Every shell hole every dent is history and honors the men who died fighting on them. You should cover hood next.
When I was in the USS Cromwell, DE 1014, we had three sets of brothers and father and son in the crew of 176. This was from 1965 through 1970.
I have toured the Fletcher class destroyer " The Sullivans" on many occasion. It is a beautiful museum ship dedicated yo those brave souls. It, in fact is currently undergoing more repairs as it started to sink in the harbor a year ago. Some have actually said " what is the use". But we must keep the spirit of our history on place. The Naval museum in Buffalo is a required tour if you visit the city for any reason. The memory of these men ( the Sullivans) and so many other thousands is our duty to protect, as they gave their lives protecting the future generations.
she capsized to starboard
May all the brave souls on Juneau be at peace and with our Lord.
Sorry to be picky, but a door opens out onto the same deck/level of a ship. A hatch is what allows you to go to one deck/level from another deck/level....
And yes, there is a difference between a deck and a level, as well as a platform.
"Safe from salvagers" Just a polite way of saying grave robbers.
Hopefully, they never suffered and that it was over quickly for the crew, but I know that is not the usual way that it happens. Thank you for this video. You do a great service to all.
The guys who went down with the ship probably didn't. The guys who survived the sinking suffered quite terribly. There's a book - Left to Die - that describes their ordeal. It wasn't quite as bad as the Indianapolis survivors' story, but it isn't far off.
@@facubeitches1144 Thank you for the info.
You can see the rudder has compression from the sea pressure crushing the steel overlaying it's inner frame.
Thank you for sharing this... My uncle died on this ship along with the sullivan brothers. We paid tribute to him in Rapid City SD by putting up one of his flags to remember him by. I read one of the books released on this ship, but never saw these pictures you showed here. The distance between ship components is staggering. The blasts must've been a lot more intense that most of us could fathom.
For a so called "Light" Cruiser USS Juneau (CL-52) was quite a big ship at 165 meters long!
RIP 678 hands lost inc the 5 "fighting" Sullivans on 13 November 1942.🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼
"Light" refers to the caliber of the main guns. I believe 6 inch was normal for light cruisers, 8" for heavy cruisers.
@@sundownsignsOooooh! That makes sense, after all these years I finally found out! Thank Yooou!
My Dad worked at Federal Shipbuilding and Drydock in Kearney NJ during WW2 and helped build both the Atlanta and the Juneau.
Not all of the USS Juneau is on the bottom. One piece flew some 800 yards and landed on the light cruiser USS Helena. It can be seen at the Kalamazoo Aviation Museum (Air Zoo) in Kalamazoo MI. It is in the Guadalcanal Room of the museum. I do not know the story of how it got from the USS Helena to the Museum.
I read that some were injured on the Helena from debris from the explosion
We can thank Mr Paul Allen for these never before seen pictures. I’m glad that he saw fit to share this with all of those who came before. Now if only Gates would get on board and accomplish a bit of the same. Very moving to see the extent of the damage that became the resting place for true heroes.
You'd rather see pictures of ships than the eradication of pathogens like malaria and marburg? There is something very very wrong with you.
great video, please do the Atlanta as well. cheers!
I love seeing what remains of these deep water wrecks. Love your videos
Great doco's very interesting and well thought out
My father served the entire war aboard the destroyer USS Roe. Near the end of the war she was sent to Mare Island for refitting. After the surrender the Roe was decommissioned and my father was sent to Brooklyn Naval Yard and assigned to the “new” Juneau CL-119. He went on the first shake cruise down to Cuba. Because of the ships name the skipper was very demanding of the crew requiring press denims even for the engine room crew. When the Juneau returned to Brooklyn my father requested a transfer back to destroyers. He was denied and left the Navy. Dad loved the Navy and talked about it all his life. Because of the Juneau I missed out becoming a Navy brat.
Those Navy Veterans were some brave men indeed. The very medium they have to fight in will kill them in a heartbeat. But they continued to put themselves in harm's way, against a foe that was arguably the best in the world (at the time), to support the Marines on Guadalcanal. Semper Fidelis Navy Veterans and thank you very much for your service and sacrifice.
US Army soldiers fought on Guadalcanal as well.
Dude, it sounds like the explosion travelled thru the entire ship, blowing off the bow and stern, and if you look closely at the two hatches that one was blown off, you can see at the top fire scorch marks.
A similar scenario might have happened in the case of HMS Hood. When Hood’s wreck was discovered they noticed something very strange within that wreck that B Turret on the forward part of the ship as well as the main gun director was clearly blown off by an explosion even though the fatal shell hit Hood in the Rear Magazines, which has led some to believe she suffered what you are saying could have happened to Jeaneu, that the initial forward magazine hit travelled through the ship and probably set off the aft magazine as well.
My cousin's were the 5 brothers and yes I have heard George survived the sinking but was wounded and after a few days went off his beam and was taken by sharks my God grant them all peace and we must never forget the sacrifice of so many so we can live in peace Robert Sullivan
Great channel!!!!
Grew up an hour east of Waterloo iowa were the Sullivan brothers saw the video had to watch
The Jeanau class AA cruisers were really just large destroyers
Juneau wrong they were light anti aircraft cruisers
It's a eerie sight to see. But at the same time it's tranquil and beautiful. May all who lost there lives rest in peace 😢
Could you do a video on the wreck of HMS Hood? I havent seen anything of her wreck with the sole exception of when they raised her bell.
To survive the blast only to end up in shark waters had to be horrible . And no ship was allowed to come to the rescue lest they risk the same fate. The survivors at the time had to feel doomed
This is a fine video upload about a good ship and crew, especially the Sullivan Brothers. There is an old movie they sometimes play on Turner Classic Movie about them.
May more people remember her and everyone who served in her.
Nicely done.
The movie is called The Fighting Sullivan's. Real Tear Jerker Moment at the end of the movie.When the parents are told all Five brothers died.
@@geralddworzak1313 Thank you. Yes, that ending was really something.
I wonder if that section of the stern hull that you see attached to the rudder was punched out of the hull by one of the explosions in her machinery spaces.
The way the bow and stern are both off I almost wonder if rather than ONE of her Magazines went off 2 of them did. One FWD and one AFT. That would certainly account for how quick the center went under and how it landed more or less intact it simply flooded from both ends and didn't have an air pocket that stood her up on one end rather than just dropping like a rock. Seriously wish they'd release more information of these wreck surveys but at the same time I kinda understand. The families and governments often do not want the graves disturbed and nowhere near as much time, money, and effort is expended on surveying every last bit they way the Titanic has been. Then there's also the fact that the Titanic didn't have nasty little surprise munitions scattered around waiting to fufill their lifelong goal of going BOOM.
Bless the men. Thank you for your service. You are heros.
Did you do one on Indianapolis?
At 10:25, those grease fittings look almost brand new!
I had just left working at Microsoft a few months before this discovery. My great grandfather was Captain Lyman Knute Swenson of the USS Juneau.
What kind of sonar or technology was used to find the wreck in the ocean floor?
Drain the ocean did show computer model of the wreck of whatJuneau looks like I did saw it on official national geographic youtube 24 hr stream drain the ocean I was also excited to see what USS Indianapolis wreck looks like in clear view in computer model
March 17th...how appropriate for discovering the Sullivans!!!
the ship that they showed is the Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer (DDG-68)
My dad transferred from the California after Pearl Harbor to the Phelps, and served aboard her till late 43/early 44 with his brother. They split at that point because dad had volunteered for sub duty. Also, a third brother was serving in the Army, and their sister was in the nurse corps. So I suppose two siblings together was ok as long as there were others (??)... The Juneau and the Sullivan brothers is certainly a unique tragedy...
My dad was on the California as well and transferred off to the USS Atlanta right before Pearly Harbor
@@eskrima1 dad had just been aboard a few weeks before Dec 7th, but they make might've crossed paths. Cool for us to sit here and wonder about on YT most of a century later...!!!
Reminds me of the Pommern explosion at the end of Jutland, but with no survivors...hit by one torpedo, she was an older pre dreadnaught...i dont think shes ever been found. Terrible to think of the carnage ammunition explosions create within confined metal spaces....
Served on the USS Lyman K Swenson, (captain of the Juneau) DD-729.
Both the Juneau and the Atlanta were classified as AA light cruisers, normal light cruisers carried 6' guns where as AA cruisers carried 5" dp . It was almost criminal to subject the Juneau and Atlanta to a night surface battle, with so many 5" guns, they would have been lit up like a Christmas tree from the firing of their own guns, a target that couldn't have been missed, a big ship, lightly armored with what was basically destroyer guns.
Haven't been able to find any pics or video of the Saint Lo wreck can you dig up anything on that?
ther ST Lo was sunk 25 October 1944 her wreck is some 16,000 feet down off Samar Island
God bless
im assuming they record everything on these expeditions, why dont they release the videos?
The extreme pressure would have pulverised any bodies there is most likely nothing left inside
Only if the ship teleported to the bottom, but it didn't so the gradual depth changes of sinking would just collapse the few hollow spaces inside us like our sinuses.
I'm surprised there was an intact portion of the hull left. From the accounts of the sinking that I'd read, I thought the entire ship forward of the stern had been blown to smithereens by the magazine explosion.
The Sullivan act is never used.
I deployed 3 times as the only son
I knew a few others as well
It was my understanding that the Sullivan act prevented relatives from serving in the same unit, and protected only-descendants 'sole survivors' from being drafted. If you joined, you can still be deployed.
Were your brothers already killed or were you just born an only son? If it’s the latter, then the Sullivan Act just wouldn’t apply to you
The Sullivan Act is a result of the sinking.
War truly is hell.
The Sullivan Brothers being Irish, this wreck was found on St Patrick's day ....kind of cool in a way.
I should have taken more notice about this battle, I thought the brothers were on USS Atlanta.
Not entirely incorrect. The Juneau was an Atlanta-class antiaircraft light cruiser.
It is said by some survivors that one brother had originally made it onto a life raft went mad abandoned raft and swam off I been to the Sullivan in buffalo the brother who supposedly made it off ship his picture when you go to take a pic of it it is like someone shining a light on glass
One surviving brother was so distraught at the loss of his brothers he dove off the lofe raft and ended up dying hisself. So, one initially survived only to die a couple hpurs later of a broken heart more or less. 😢
I think those are range finders on the side of the 5” guns.
@10:37 you can see the grease Zerks
Native of Buffalo, NY, where USS The Sullivans (DD-537) resides. My ancestor John C. Bakowski/Bukowski (documents vary) was a Gunners Mate 2nd Class onboard USS Juneau and was killed on the same day as the brothers when the cruiser IJN Nagara fired the fatal torpedo - most people think it was a Japanese submarine that fired the fatal shot, but this is WRONG. And being a former member of The Sullivans Division of the United States Naval Sea Cadet Corps (USNSCC), I spent plenty of time sleeping aboard the destroyer. And I know the ghost of George Sullivan knows who I am and who my ancestor was. I also have met the granddaughter of Albert Sullivan, Kelly Sullivan. We don’t talk much, but we agree that our ancestors are probably sailing USS Juneau in the afterlife now.
As for IJN Nagara, it is reflected on the conning tower of our local Gato-Class Submarine, USS Croaker (SS/SSK-246). Croaker got revenge for the sinking of the Juneau, with the picture of the Nagara going down from her periscope.
The salt water dissolved the bones
The torpedo is said it was meant to the heavy cruiser USS SAN FRANCISCO.
Time marker 13:08 if you zoom in you can see there are at least two to three sailors resting in the hole
I see it, bottom left part. Just terrible.
..Hail Yeah..
that's an optical range-finder, not a periscope.
Where did the torpedo hit at? A heavy cruiser had its bow blown off by a Long Lance torpedo. It swung around and broke off. I think this is what happened here. It's really odd to see the bow and stern torn off, however, the Juneau had steering damage during the battle. It couldn't maneuver very well. She could have lost the bow in the explosion. Bow sinks instantly followed by the main hull. Due to the battle damage from the night battle, the stern was ripped off and the rear turrets collapsed into the hull.
My dad's first cousin,recent grad of the navy academy died on her also,my blood payed for our freedom.never forget.
One of the brothers survive for a couple days but he did go down caused by wounds
he died from being torn apart by three sharks
@@robertyoung3992 the survivors said he slipped away after two days from his injuries an I am sure the sharks got to him
What type of ship was Juneau again?
Light Anti Aircraft Cruiser
its weird how much life these ships have, like if they could speak itd be the toughest bastards on the planet. Many would probs still be speaking even at the bottom of the ocean
Japan's long lance torpedoes sure lived up to there reputation!
I can't believe all 5 of these good brothers were killed.
It'd be interesting to locate the USS JARVIS.No survivors.
Why were all the Sullivans on one ship?
There was no Sullivan act then so if brothers wanted to be together they were allowed. Clearly none of them ever thought about their mother.
Have they ever found the original Fletcher Class Destroyer
I believe Fletcher survived the war. She was probably scrapped afterwards, as I don't think she is one of the surviving Fletcher-class museum ships.
she's in Buffalo, NY (DD-537)
@@robertyoung3992 That's not the WW2 class ship (DD 445). 445 was scrapped in 1972, sadly.
@@Fitzwalrus06 DD-537 is a Fletcher Class Destroyer
Yes. Uss Fletcher survived the war and was scrapped in 1970
Squadron commander didn't even attempt to hunt the sub.
Capt. Gil Hoover was his name. He was the senior surviving officer in the force. Admirals Callahan and Scott were both killed along with their staffs the night before. Hoover was cpt of the Helena and became commander by default. And the force had I believe only one undamaged cruiser the Helena and one undamaged destroyer the Fletcher. The other 3 ships were in no shape to fight let alone take on a sub. The explosion threw pieces of Juneau more than half a mile away it was so powerful. And Juneau was gone before the smoke even started to clear which is why anyone who saw the explosion thought no one could have survived. Hoover had to make a quick decision. Add remember he had just been thru one of the worst surface ship actions of the war just hours before and decided against stopping or sending his only viable destroyer back and had no idea what lay ahead in his path. For that I think he can be forgiven. But he did not radio base about the sinking immediately after for fear of breaking radio silence would give his position away. If the enemy just sank one of your ships, it's a pretty good bet they already know your position. That was unexcuseable and Hoover was relieved by Halsey.
@@pattrick9490 Yes, I remember reading about his decision. I would have sent the destroyer to attack the sub and at least drive it down and away to buy time. Not doing that give the same sub a possibly of another attack and/or a quicker opportunity of radioing for other IJN assets to be brought in. War is hell.
You would have sent that destroyer back and to be honest so would I. I mearly stated the facts of what happened. The whole operation was screwed from the beginning. Adm. Callahan never issued a battle plan to his commanders and made bad choices how he arranged his force by putting ships with the best radar in the back of his force instead of up front and didn't choose a flagship equipped with the best radar.
I have an original ww2 Sullivan Brothers poster for sale if anyone is interested.
Not periscopes.
Pretty disgusting that they didn’t immediately look for survivors. This is very typical of the US to dump and run when the going gets tough.
You need to familiarize yourself a bit better about WWII naval history, tactics and the 3-day naval battle of Guadalcanal in particular.
The Juneau was part of group of surviving ships from the first night's battle which was one of the most desperate modern naval actions that included US destroyers engaging Japanese battlecruisers at machine gun range.
Only the light cruiser Helena and destroyer Fletcher were basically undamaged but cruiser San Francisco and destroyer Sterrett were floating wrecks. Only one present destroyer was still effective for anti-sub action and this group of ships was thought to be maybe only surface US ships for any defence of island for the next day or so. The decision to act to preserve the still floating ships and crews against the obvious sub threat vs possible limited number of survivors was unfortunate cold reality of necessity in war. Particular you should learn about convoy procedures, particularly in the Atlantic where ships sunk by U-Boats unusually had to be left, unless a specialized rescue ship available, until the enemy had been driven off/still floating ships escaped or reinforcements arrived. This procedure was necessary to preserve the group formation and retain all available escorts so to maximize the chances of remaing units to get through.
You can find instances where chances were taken for rescue but just as often the results were further loses-it was well known both German and Japanese submarines often would use a sinking ship as bait for further attacks on rescue efforts.
I knew two brothers that was KIA
One in Iraq
Other in Afghanistan
Family lost both and only sons
They didn't both have to though, the second one could have been discharged at any time once he became the sole survivor.
It's a War grave 🪖🇺🇸🇺🇸
Keep an eye on Chinese salvegers. They've already pummeled British and Dutch ships.
There are salvagers everywhere there are wrecks in shallow waters.
She’s far too deep thankfully…
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Thank you for the video
RIP shipmates. Fair winds & following seas. 🫡 🇺🇸
God Bless the Sailors that Served on Her Decks. 🇺🇸
one day you will run out of warships and will start to cover row boats of saginaw bay lmao