Is This Göbekli Tepe on a Sumerian Tablet? | Ancient Architects
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- Back in 2016, Graham Hancock released an article on his website called “Göbekli Tepe Image on Sumerian Tablet?”, which I've linked below.
In the article, it states that Hancock was contacted by an independent researcher called Madeleine Daines who was working through the Cuneiform Digital Library when she came across a Sumerian tablet from 3,500 BC, which means it was made between 4 and 5,000 years after Göbekli Tepe was abandoned and the T-shaped pillars covered over.
According to Daines, the tablet is apparently showing us a depiction of a Göbekli Tepe circular enclosure with two T-shaped megalithic pillars and Hancock asks whether this could mean that sites with similar architecture to Gobekli Tepe could have remained in operation long after the pre-pottery Neolithic. He also asks if these structures could have still been revered by the Sumerians thousands of years later.
So is it possible? Is there a depiction of a Pre-Pottery Neolithic circular enclosure on a Sumerian tablet? Watch the video to find out!
The information in this video is obtained firstly from Graham Hancock's website and also the Tepe Telegrams blog - a post by Oliver Deitrich. I agree with Oliver's explanation and alsthough I have read the response by Daines to Deitrich, I still believe that we are looking at Gobekli Tepe pillars on a Sumerian cylinder seal to be an enormous stretch. But that is just my opinion and each to their own.
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This is the first video I've done on a brand new computer, new microphone and new software and it's my 4th upload of the same video. I'm still working on getting the settings right and the audio isn't quite right - but I hope it's ok! Thanks for watching and please subscribe!
I can hear the difference. It's not that big of a difference. You sounded more "friendly" on previous uploads. It's hard to describe the difference. Maybe more bass in your new mic and less treble or mid range? It is hard to describe but hopefully that feedback is helpful.
I watch your videos and all CZcams videos on my big screen TV with a sound system and if you hadn't mentioned it I'd have never known,, sounds great as always..
Your statement must also ASSUME the tablet was read correctly in 1972.....or was it?.....
Good times. Remember to smile and have a laugh. It'll get better.
Hey Matt, could you point me in the direction of the latest evidence regarding the GT infilling? Last time I saw Lee Clare state it was a mixture of both deliberate and natural filling. That was like 2020 or 2021 on the Prehistory Guys podcast. So would interested to read the latest. Thanks
Regarding the engraved bone spatula mentioned 8 and 1/2 minutes into this video, I think it might perhaps be neither a representation of Gobekli Tepe’s stone pillars nor of a vulture, but rather it may be the earliest known Spy vs Spy comic! Mad magazine has been around much longer than we’ve been led to believe! 😸
😂 That WOULD be cool
Alfred E. Neumann strikes again! I miss the .50 cent price tag. ✌😸
Hahaha! That's brilliant, love it!
Love it. 😅
Ha! Fun. Have to say: "What? Me? Worry?" Memories....
What struck me most was the suggestion that one of the tablets depicted apparatus for weaving. Spinning and weaving went on by hand for thousands of years until powered machinery was introduced in the past three centuries.
There must have been many types of spindles and looms with which we are no longer familiar, but in early times they must have been commoner than weapons of war. Back in the day clothing would have been almost as important as food and shelter. I suppose weaving frames were too bulky and useful to put into graves, so they don't appear in our museums.
The other point is that Gobekli Tepe was as remote in time from the Sumerians as they are from us today.
You have a brilliant and practical mind when looking at ancient artifacts and architecture. Your fresh interpretations always seem more plausible. Thank you.
Excellent reasoning. Paradoxically, the “debunking” is far more intriguing than the pseudo-scientific bunkum. A tiny thumbnail picture of the ancient Sumerian weaving industry is wildly fascinating, and the vulture 🦅image gets my imaginative juices going big time.
I love that you are actively looking for things like this, whether or not they pan out to be true. You're a credit to your field.
The first thing I noticed about the image was that if the numbering of it was not in the correct orientation then what was being displayed was upside down… mind you I’m not a trained archeologist, just a person who notes the obvious…. Thank you for pointing the obvious out to others!
Same
That's not necasarilly true though. That just means the final image has been flipped upside down, it doesn't give us any hints about if the stone itself is being displayed the correct way up in relation to the numbers themselves, even though it probably is.
Thank you for your careful analysis! It is always a pleasure
To have you debunk the attention grabbing and sensationalist claims that are often presented. Your methodology and research are greatly appreciated!!!!
Very interesting .... and quite possible!🤔
This is the first time I've heard that Gobekli Tepi was NOT deliberately buried. 8/16/22. Thanks.
It’s the very recent info. Check out the interview with Dr Lee Claire on the Prehistory Guys channel
@@AncientArchitects is that not just one interpretation? There’s still mounds of evidence (no pun intended) that they were at least intentionally buried in some regard
@@braedrums I don't think "evidence" is the right word, perhaps "possibilities" would be more apt. I suppose people could have pilgrimaged back and ritulistically buried it over the centuries, little by little.
However, when it was first announced that it was "purposely" buried, I was highly skeptical. To bury something requires more motivation than building the structure. This is why there are old ruins, abandoned, around the world. 😎👍
How do we know Göbekli Tepe isn’t upside down?
I've always believed Gobekli tepe was a Neolithic center for higher learning.
Was certainly a populous place - 10,000 grinding stones were found
@@AncientArchitects yes, but what other signs of occupation were found there or in the surrounding areas?
@@billcook7285 There are a lot of these "tepes" in that area.
Rather convenient... I mean, the stone monuments aren't exactly "common" creations in history. But man are you right about that unnecessary hype. Thanks for uploading
The t colums are not unique to GT.
Stone monuments aren’t infrequent. There’s plenty of examples, just few well preserved.
@@808bigisland 13000 year old Tepes are still not common though....in fact 13,000 year old anything aren't common.
@@keithanderson7675 there are 800+ habitation- and hunting sites in the region. Some are closer to 16000 years old. This coincides with our first project and ongoing project of genetic modification. That was the first big tec we invented. Selective breeding. It fucked 85% of humanity up today. Breeding agrarian slaves was a mistake.
people tend to see what they WANT to see! && then spend large amounts of energy defending their ideas--- even if wrong !
Yep. It must be exhausting.
Great research and a sound interpretation. Thank You Matt!
Cheers for watching, Barry
Great research and sound interpretation???
He's trying to debunk conjecture with...conjecture!!!!! His main argument hinges on his "expert witness" and the cylinder seal fragment ( if that's even what it is) being the correct way up. I don't necessarily believe the claims myself, I just really hate people trying to imply that anyone who doesn't follow their line of thought as obviously retarded.
Great stuff as usual!
You stare at something long enough, you can see what you desire to see.
Good job A A!
Well done Matt. I had a groan the other day about adverts … but have returned. Excellent stuff.
Excellent video. Top notch explanations of the archaeology as always. I just love your work💚🐢🍀
Thank you for the content. Enjoyed.
This looks like a pair of primitive theodolites set up at opposites ends of a known distance that can be used to find any exact point in relation to the known points. It's an ancient method of surveying land that is still used today, though not common. Two vertical risers are attached to a table that can be rotated. One riser has a hole through it and the other has a point on top, or another hole. By looking through the hole and aligning the the other riser an azimuth can be measured from known angles around the table top. Two such azimuths cross at only one possible point. This type of surveying is ideal for flat valley floors, like the land between the rivers. This is a developmental stage in any society that needs to divide land use, like for farming. I don't know with 100% certainty that this what the tablets show, but the comb like drawing could also be a plowed field.
thx for clearing things up
Great video as usual.
On the tablet it looks like one pillar is inside the ring, and one seems to be outside the ring.
Yeah, I don’t think we’re looking at Gobekli Tepe. Not at all.
@Ancient Architects Thank you Matt for this excellent presentation. It looked and sounded great to me.
Good video. Thanks, Matt.
It looks like the 'Gobleki Tepe' columns are probably actually representations of how they wove or stored thread/yarn on spindles. The oval would be the yarn as you said.
Thank you for really diving into things!!!
Great video! Thank you for sharing!
I don’t see how Gobekli Tepe was “filled” by slope slide… that hill had to be a lot taller in order to burry the enclosures, wouldn’t it? Seems more likely that a deluge would have deposited sediment to burry them, is that a possibility?
Exactly, also the pillars and structures would force the materials around it and that would make channels for the rain to erode channels . Its actually ridiculous to think that all that fill material from that small area would even fit atop that shallow hill. Then add the fill from the rest of that site area , its a joke. Look at the 1:32 image, its clearly not possible.
Agreed.
It's very difficult to know for sure. I've always thought it would be so much work for people to carefully bury all of these sites and for what reason would that work be justified? I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just curious. I had assumed the dirt slowly filled in the structures like we see on Easter island and the famous Moai statues that are buried on shallow hillsides. There are many statues sitting proudly on a flat base but the ones situated on hills are buried part way and in much less time.
💖💗💓 Excellent analysis Matt! Tysm!
Thanks
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you for this.
I like your reminders of using facts, logic and research. Instead of making things into something outerworldly. Mr Hancock was interesting for a while, but nowadays (from years back) I know better. Thank you.
Excellent video Matt. I must admit that Graham Hancock captured my attention for a couple of years before realising that he wasn't what I thought he was. Basically following David Milano and yourself amongst a few others has proved more accurate in terms of what the truth may be. Hancock is one of a constantly expanding group of charlatans which is sad.
Problem with Hancock is he he writes and speaks eloquently, so people assume he knows exactly what he’s talking about.
@@daniellealexander9844 Yes, like all the best con artists! :)
Calling he a con artist is going a little bit too far.
@@kderulesNo, it's not. He purposely leaves out research that pours cold water on his fantasies. His agenda is not about science, it's about making money on fake sensationalism.
I love how you put the whole thing out there, wild theories and all, and THEN you’re like, but here’s why it’s NOT that…
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What does the cuneiform dictionary say the glyph means? Skipping that step makes everything that follows suspicious.
I immediately noticed the upsidedown numbers and thought surely Matt has noticed that? I'm glad you didn't let me down 😊 silly Graham and that lady!
This is why peer review is so vital
Always like hearing your thoughts on things. Thankyou sir.
From the very first time I heard the deliberate burial I thought it was ridiculous. I would absolutely never believe that.
Thanks Matt, great info
Thanks mate
Mat it should be remembered that Newgrange in Ireland is somewhat a pot bellied hill but that was the way it was designed It is also supposed to be older than the Pyramids
Never went with the idea that they were covered by Man
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2:10 and 2:16 Where did you get those pictures?
Well it’s like this. Ancient history regardless of the background training or knowledge is like completing a cryptic crossword with the clues being very vague. The truth is saying it was down to aliens even can never be unequivocally proved wrong because we were not there. The nearer dated the history the more we can decipher and find more fitting, reasonable or proven explanations. But the further we go back we just don’t know. The more we know about our current and near the more we can assume we know about the past but it’s still an assumption. It’s both what is fascinating and frustrating about it. I agree logic and reason give the most fitting answers but I still accept that it’s a limited perspective
Excellent work
Looks like it is about making yarn. The second image looks like people working on either side of a loom. It is more likely that weavers would be depicted, not only because it is an everyday activity more likely to be recorded, it is an industry and would probably have been noted for book keeping. A lot of early forms of written language started for trade, taxes, and inventory. Master weavers might have their own seals, or however they organized themselves.
Thanks Matt for the information and critical thinking. Great video!!
Thanks for watching
Well done, Matt.
That sounds a very reasonable conclusion.
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Great analysis! 👍👍
Great video
I have a feeling that it may represent two weavers sitting on cushions, and they are reaching out to looms, with loom weights hanging down.
You are a great credit to “independent” researchers, but many are not. Keep up the good work.
It is pattern observation. Life is about perception and sometimes it is unique perceptions that lead to identifying patterns that others do not see. For better or worse. I am in the 99.9986th percentile for pattern observation and I can see similarities just like everyone else can. When something exists, we have to classify it: for something that old, that looks like that: based on what we know so far, what could it be? And so I can see why he connects the dots / sees the pattern. Everything should be researched and I think if they wish to observe that pattern - good! Because the more research we have in that area: the more chance that more artifacts will be found - leading to more observations. So regardless of whether Graham's pattern observation / association between the two - is correct or not - interest leads to more discovery and funding into that research - so let's all keep an open mind.
Thank you. I enjoy your non-biased, logical approach. I think you're correct in that whenever we look at anything we have a specific context built on our own memories and experiences. I agree that symbol you call a vulture looks like either that or whatever bird of prey was active in that region in that time. We should always remove our own biases and when examining something we have to place it in its context and examine it with a bias of the creator's bias and context.
Thank you, again, sir. Please keep up the excellent work.
Non biased???? Put your head back on your shoulders will you.
You know it struck me, and I'm not sure but its been said before, but the T-pillar to the left at 3:18 into the video shows a series of purse like objects lining the top of the pillar with patterning above and below the objects and a depiction of various animals and birds below that. I may be repeating an observation already well known by those involved with the monument, and I know this particular object has been well photographed, but I think that this pillar top face is carved to represent history's first landscape, and not only that but a landscape imbued with possible overt symbolism.
The purse like objects are houses or households, and the patterned areas below and above depict gardens or trees, with even a path visible between the trees in the area of landscape below the garden. Here's where the symbolism possibly comes in. It comes in with the depiction of a distinctive animal at the side of each house - or household - perhaps identifying these as symbols of powerful families tied to the monuments, like totems. We can also see the various early devices, including a foreground foreshortened view of a condor looking as large as the houses behind which appears to show the bird(s) in the near foreground, and everything else behind. Larger size also means larger importance in symbolic imagery. Flattening of objects to show the most revealing views of the objects depicted is also a device which the Egyptians used regularly to depict landscapes; flat sides of the houses, and a birds eye and side view of the surrounding trees for instance. One is struck by primacy of animal symbolism and presence in the landscape, dominatring the lives of these people. Reminds me of North Pacific Coast First Nations longhouses in Canada with their overt symbolic and social significance, or even Maori community houses in New Zealand, similar.Scott Zema BA MA Art History and Architecture
So Hancock's speculation is more than iffy, but at least we have the equally shocking revelation that the people of Gobleki Tepe used to sit across from each other and use tandem bongs
Well done!!
Clearly, the image on the clay tablet is not a representation of GT, but know I would love to know what it was depicting!!
The text with cuneiform Gobekli imagery: what does it say? What is the context of the Sumerian inscription?
You’re becoming absolutely fierce in your critical thinking Matthew. Bravo.
Just want to be realistic and logical. I’m genuine and honest in my opinions. And I change my mind if I think there is better evidence.
@@AncientArchitects It was still a brilliant argument. Just accept the compliment for what it is. You did a great job!
@@AncientArchitects That is what people like myself like most about you and your videos. You are open minded, but don't turn off your critical thinking. When you are examining a hypothesis and you grok a wrongness, you keep looking instead of accepting it. Most importantly, if you find evidence requiring your hypothesis to be modified or tossed out you go with the evidence. Kudos Matt!🏆🏆🏆🏆 Cheers🍺🍺!
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Ancient Architects looks critically at the data, gets the most likely explanation.
Grammy hammy looks uncritically at the data, flips the image upside down, and magically comes up with the most financially rewarding explanation.
Stylized vulture spatula means they put animals on kitchen implements, just like cow cookie jars, and hens on plates today. Notion that this goes back 12kya quite interesting
Boaz and Jachin, the Bull and the Snake. hercules pillars. Indigenous built totem poles, double strike on the dollar sign etc.
the twin pillars are prevalent through history, gobekli tepe is just the earliest example.
There's also occult significance
Twin Towers wasn't random
Representations of the Summer and Winter Solstices
GOD and the SON
👍🏻👍🏻thanks Matt
Cheers
It wouldn't be too surprising for early Samaritans to find these older ruins and write about them. Good video.
Good presentation as always. This tablet is nothing to do with g/t. Just on the land slip theory, I sure Klaus Schmidt would have known the difference between back fill & land slip. He was a geologist . I must watch the edition you did on this
You have done a lot of vids about Turkey thank you for that. The encloures found there are amazing. But a lot of it is still under a lot of earth, hidden from the eye. A few years ago Mr. Tellinger told us about all these stone circles and enclosures that were found in Africa, thousands of them, also organic shaped enclosures like the Tepes. Maybe no T shaped pillars, but nobody knows what they are, forgotten in time. And I think they are very very old. Without being buried under sand like in Turkey, who knows what was there. Another one of my aha moments is the figure with the hands/fingers folded around the belley and the belt, Enclosure D Pillar 18. It so resembles the statues of Eastern Island in style. Although the statues on Easter Island are more advanced. One sumerian tablet is for me, not enough evidence. I guess a big gap in our history has been found and who knows what it all was.
I knew it was too wierd to be true. Great vid👍🏻
I love your channel.
Thank you
Seriously…. That would rewrite history
You know but I can see on the lower narrow face of some of the pillars what I interpret to be depictions of clothing clasps, which show a circular element a pair of double T-shaped clasps in relief!
That second picture looks like a person manning a furnace with radiate heating system on the left of the furnace
It’s all open to interpretation for sure
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Most definitely
Now I understand why the drawings were important.
The first time I saw pictures of the sumerian tablets I saw something that resembled the internal architecture of the great pyramid. The sumerians are very intriguing, but often dismissed as having nothing to do with... well, anything of significance. I can appreciate both sides these arguments.
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Looks like a couple dancing to me....but I’m just an electrician. Couldn’t possibly be that.
Always Top Stuff 👍👍
Cheers
You image Number: 873 suggests a weavers loom with persons sitting either side to pass through the shuttle. The man to the right could be holding a reel with two axles and an oval (cartouche shaped) thread holder able to spin on the axles. As a schematic diagram the could have been more oval arms to hold the thread. The Shuttle could be a diminutive version of the main reel that feeds the loom.
Therefore the symbol Number: 676 may be a word for weaving, spinning, shuttle or fabric.
But then it could be a stand to hold a pot or meat over a fire. We are really guessing at this stage.
At 5:48 if you know your Sumerian iconography, the seal in question is simply depicting the manufacture of Beer.
But then again it very well could be weaving. Still it’s an interesting story
"We have to be logical" "Everybody has a bias".. two minutes later, looking at absolutely abstract lines "I think we're looking at a vulture". Look, let me show how it's done. "We have one more theory of what the objects in the image may signify. Of course, we still have not a vaguest idea, so we'll just leave it there, and hope for more clues in the future, so as not to embarrass ourselves. I am thankful, however, that people bring a fresh perspective into the field, and I am going to embrace their participation, so that together we would advance the science of archaeology."
I totally agree with you!
How old are the tablets?
Hey bro, how do we know it’s upside down to begin with again?
Also isn’t it true, that this is a massive complex, and what we see is only a small percentage? That little hill cover all that shit up?
Great video. I do have a few questions. Did they dig out the hill before building?, if so why not build somewhere easier? Did they not think of the risk of slope sliding? Wouldn't a landslide cause some of the pillars in GT to fall over? On the bone spatula if the above image is a Vulture, what do you think could be the arrow image underneath?
the farther back in time you go, the farther back the people remembered of the past...
@2:03 Why are the numbers 676 upside down next to the tablet fragment, could it be that the tablet is upside down and the image is of someone with big shoes, wearing a skirt and playing with a hula hoop?
What do you think those Handbag were?
Do they know for an undisputed fact -- beyond all doubt -- that GT was buried over time from erosional filling from landslides (etc.), rather that being deliberately buried? I can see the Sphinx being buried quite easily ip to its neck, because it is windblown SAND burying it . . . but the 'fill' that GT was buried with, was it fine enough to be easily and naturally introduced there, over the course of thousands of years?
Read the title of the video and im already like 🤯🤯🤯🤯
At 5:59 the image on the right looks very much like a hand weaving setup.
Even if the hammerheads were on the top side, it still doest look like Göbekli Tepe.
It makes no sense anyway because almost certainly the pillars originally were carrying a roof. Nobody who actualy wants to picture a house will draw the internal structure only.
It’s possible, in the 7,000 odd years between GT, that the roof was missing before the site was buried?
The tablet is broken. How do they know which way was right side up, originally?
IF they was filled by landslides, wouldn't that have tipped the T pillars over? They don't seem to be able to stand on their own, so why wouldn't they have tipped over?
Not like an avalanche, but creeping soil. The pillars were likely fixed by wooden rafters for the roof. The sliding soil probably came in through the roof but the beams may have held the structure in place.
@@AncientArchitects Except when they excavated the site, the pillars were in contact with the same large rubble that the rest of the site was buried with. Because it was deliberately buried
@@AncientArchitects I guess the fill up could have happened over a longer time or in phases. The lower layers of mud/rocks/whatever will support the beams while the next layer comes in. The slide won't hit the paddle until the beam is already fully supported. That's how they would have stood if it was filled deliberately too.
@@melancholicmuse I don't understand how your statement proves your conclusion. The pillars would be in contact with the rubble either way, slide or filled in.
@@AncientArchitects idk man, that just don't make sense to me, wether it came in slow or fast, if they was attached to roof pillars, oviously the roofwas gone by the time that soil came in, so slow or fast, it would've tipped the t pillars over. yet they was standing when they was excavated which tells me that it was infilled on purpose, not by slow or fast landslides.
That is also ASSUMING that the tablet was read correctly in 1972.....if it is the right way up....or down....or sideways.....
Fine critical analysis Matt! Jumping to conclusions, no matter how much we want to believe it is, what we think it is, is a fool's game.
We’re the cup marks used with stone balls for moving rock on?
Slope slide? Wouldn't that destroy most of the structure(s)? Also how was it slope slide if the complex is a slight "hill" with hardly enough slope to "bury" such a tall structure? Legit questions not trying to be a burden here.
I think they would put a lot more thought into it than that. A land slide does not make sense. They would be damaged very badly and I thought the soil was different.
Looks like the T puller is shown laying down to me? Maybe how they found it? Did they cover it? Good as an explanation as upside down digital numbers.
It's not a T pillar 🤦