What if the MCU Had ALL IT'S CHARACTERS from the Beginning
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The reason Avengers worked so well was the fact that we did get all of those solo movies to set up their story arcs. If we don't do that, it's more likely the MCUs first team up movie would probably perform more like the Justice League.
Exactly
I don't like the dceu before I say this; I believe if they stick the landing better, the offshoot solo films would have succeeded so much better. But that method is much more of a studio move, rather than the long game
Yea dude fanfiction wouldn't work in real world
Nothing can be worse then that they would be guardians 😂
This video makes me appreciate the mcu’s lack of characters so much more. Nothing against the story by this guy, I actually believe he’s 100% right, stories would’ve been rushed, character development would’ve been strange, arbitrary deaths, a misuse of character, it all sounds exactly like what marvel would’ve done with Spider-Man, Avengers X-Men and Fantastic Four if they had them all, great work 100% accurate
I agree 100%
It doesnt seem to have any of the humor the MCU is known for tho. Thats not something one should expect to remove, when the only difference is supposed to be the ips Marvel Studios had available from the get go, not a change of directors... In which case this seems more Snyder than somethinh from Whedon or Favreau.
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SAME due to the lack of these "big heroes" Marvel took risk after risk with Thor, Ironman, Antman, Guardians, Black panther, Black widow, Hawkeye, Dr. Strange and it paid off!, thanks to that many of them are now A or even S tier heroes, they crafted carefully a world that feels organic and interesting with magic, sci-fi, espionage or cosmic settings well put together
On the other hand Marvel could easily become like DC, being too big to fail make them comfy, batman is always the way to go, (and sometimes superman/flash) is not even dumb, is the logical step but due to that, the general audience doesn't know or care about characters like booster gold, martian manhunter, dr fate, blue beetle, green arrow or hawkgirl, cause they are "too little to be important" that feels bad. Batman alone carries magic, espionage and noir, while Superman takes the sci-fi/space stories
If the MCU did have all of the characters form the beginning, marvel would be oversaturated with Spider-Man, wolverine, X-men, fantastic four and Deadpool. James Gunn would’ve never get his chance of doing his guardians of the Galaxy movies because it would be to risking.
He would do it eventually .
That’s scary because if he didn’t get Guardians of the Galaxy when he did, he might not have gotten to do The Suicide Squad, and he may not get to be the head of DC now.
@@wheattoast1971 was the suicide squad good?
@@Whateveriuyeah
@@Whateveriu I don’t remember liking it as much as the first, but by now, I don’t remember either movie lol. But The Suicide Squad (The one James Gunn made) was almost unanimously loved by those who have watched it. And he made Starro the Conqueror the villain of the movie which you gotta love when underutilized villains get their due! Also it introduced John Cena’s take on Peacemaker which is loved so much they changed the comics to fit that personality.
im really glad that Spider-Man didnt have people forget peter's identity bc to be quite frank im getting sick of heroes losing their secret identities only for them to have/use magic to make everyone forget
How many times have you seen that happen?🤷♀️
@@gracekim25 about 4-5 times with Superman and especially spiderman also its not just using magic to make everyone forget literally when sometimes peter's identity gets revealed there's so dumbass excuse especially in the 90s show where The Sinister Six captured and unmasked peter but they dont think it could be him and so peter goes along with it
@@gracekim25 Plenty if you read comics
@@gracekim25dummy’s never read a comic before
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Well at least Peter didn't have to go around kissing everyone lol
This sounds like what if Snyder ran the MCU,
That's exactly what I thought 😂
Ikr it gets depressing at the end of this version of phase 2 with civil war and then basically stays depressing for the whole of phase 3 which I don’t think works 😂
Ironically, from the looks of things, it seems like we're slowly inching into this scenario. Disney owns the X-Men and Fantastic Four, they just need to get along with Sony to use Spider-Man. By phase 7, the MCU will look like Earth's Mightiest Heroes, which is the best Marvel media to this day, imo.
not really because so many characters have already retired or died
@@emma.steppp8485, well because of Secret Wars, it's most likely that they softly reboot the MCU, recasting the deceased/retired characters.
Their writing been shit recently
@@donavan34no it haven't it just ain't what y'all wanted it to be so y'all say it's garbage gtfoh
@@charlesbranscomb8493lol
Honestly feels like this version of the MCU is too dark. Too much emphasis on breaking down popular heroes from the get go, rather than building up any of the marvelous wonder they mostly are known for on tv.
Almost feels like this is what the MCU would have been like if made by Snyder, rather than what if Marvel Studios had their flagship titles from the beginning.
for sure, and once James Gunns DCU gets off the ground, people will be really receptive to that universe so Disney will be even more motivated to make it bright and iconic going forward
I don't think a Hulk solo film would've been unheard of in Phase 1.
yeah i think that’s the glaring miss from his phase 1
Hulk, wolverine and Spider-Man were the big 3 I 100%
Hulk definitely would’ve had a movie before avengers considering he was one of the most popular characters in marvel at that time
If they had all their characters from the beginning, they would have blown their wad right away, like how the DCEU had Batman fighting Superman in their second movie. The first movie would have been Spider-Man, the second Wolverine and the X-Men, the third Secret Wars.
civil war definitely would've been a more faithful adaptation of the comics. Avengers: Civil War Part 1 and 2
I like to see that you’re not just making Spider-Man content but the avengers would have been done justice if Figee were still there
Thats fair. I didn't only because I feel like they would've gotten carried away with themselves and not made them indervidually
@@LewisFanFiction understandable, the story you made is very good at keeping the story similar but different because of the included characters, most likely we would have gotten Iron Man, Thor and Hulk trilogies and the saga would have lasted 2 more years
@@LewisFanFiction this has been in my mind since highschool! The FF and X Men!
So glad you're back. I'm into this what if the MCU had all it's characters in the beginning stuff. I couldn't really imagine a Marvel universe without Spider-Man, Fantastic 4, and the X-Men.
Alternate title:What if Zack Snyder wrote the MCU
I felt like there was something wrong with this pitch, but I didn't know what it was until I figured out that it was too much of a downer. There are a lot of deaths of beloved characters, having two movies about a civil war, and overall leaving characters in a depressed state.
That’s fair
To be fair, I think marvel killing off characters would be pretty accurate. The reason we didn’t get any major deaths in the mcu is because of the limited characters they had access to. They couldn’t risk killing off anyone besides quicksilver (who died in the same film he was introduced). If mcu had access to all marvel hero’s they wouldn’t be as fearful to take a risk and kill off a big character because they have multiple others to replace the slot
That’s just how Marvel is though
That's how Marvel is supposed to be
Here’s another idea which is a bit of a twist on this video. What if all the pre-2008 Marvel movies on other studios were made part of the MCU? Like how Feige originally intended for Raimi’s Spider-Man and Fox’s X-Men to be canon. I sometimes wonder how that would have worked and if that deleted Nick Fury scene was made canon. How would they affect movies like Iron Man 2, The Avengers? What would the other phases looked like when they started incorporating these characters? How would Raimi’s Spider-Man 4 have turned out when given the opportunity of playing with the wide world of the MCU, since he was never satisfied with the script in real life? How would have mutants and the Fantastic Four that we’ve gotten familiar with before, changed the course of the other phases? This would be a very interesting What If.
im so grateful marvel went the way they went 😭🙏🏽
If MCU had all of its characters from the beginning, we would’ve had a full adaptation of Civil War.
If I was to order out the movies my version would play out like this
Phase 1:
X-Men: First Class
Iron Man
Spider-Man
The Incredible Hulk
Captain America The First Avenger
Thor
Avengers Assemble
Phase 2:
The Wolverine
Iron Man 2
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Spider-Man 2
X-Men 2
Avengers Disassembled
The Fantasic Four
Phase 3:
Planet Hulk
Guardians of The Galaxy
Thor Ragnarok
Spider-Man 3
Daredevil (TV Show)
Fantastic Four 2
Punisher (TV Show)
X-Men Dark Phoenix
Civil War
Phase 4:
Spider-Man 4
Guardian of The Galaxy 2
Doctor Strange
Nova
Daredevil (S2)
Black Widow (TV Show)
Avengers Infinity War
Avengers Endgame
Phase 5:
Guardians of The Galaxy 3
Blade
Ghost Rider (TV Show)
Spider-Man: Miles Morales
Daredevil (S3)
Captain Marvel
Moon Knight ( TV Show)
Doctor Strange 2
Midnight Suns
Thor 3
Secret Wars
I don’t think Ironman would get a movie in phase one, he was a B-C tier hero before the mcu
Your phase 5 is terrible 😂
Yeah this mcu would turn into the dceu
Wow, this would've been terrible
I like it, but here's how I'd do it.
Phase 1.
The spectacular Spider-man.
The uncanny X-men.
The incredible Hulk.
Fantastic 4.
The invincible Ironman.
Astonishing Antman.
Thor the mighty God.
Avengers.
Captain America.
Phase 2
The uncanny X-men child of light.
Daredevil.
The spectacular Spider-man flight of the Green Goblin.
The invincible Ironman armour wars.
Astonishing Antman and Wasp.
The indestructible Hulk.
Captain America serpent society.
Fantastic 4 Annihilation.
Thor god of Ragnarök.
Avengers secret invasion.
The uncanny X-men dark phoenix.
Doctor Strange.
Phase 3
Avengers vs X-men.
Black Panther.
Captain Marvel.
Captain America sentinel of liberty.
The spectacular Spider-man nature vs nurture.
Fantastic 4 inhumans.
The uncanny X-men days of future past.
The invincible Ironman rise of the Mandarin.
Astonishing Antman and Wasp quantumania.
Thor love and thunder.
Planet Hulk.
Daredevil man without fear.
Avengers World War Hulk.
Doctor Strange 2.
Phase 4
Avengers civil war.
Scarlet Witch.
Wonder Man.
The uncanny X-men apocalypse.
The spectacular Spider-man untold Carnage.
Inhumans.
Captain Marvel nothing to lose.
Black Panther Wakanda forever.
Daredevil Devils reign.
Avengers rise of Ultron.
Doctor Strange time runs out.
The superior Ironman.
Phase 5
Scarlet Witch house of M.
the spectacular Spider-man Kraven’s last hunt.
She-Hulk.
Inhumans 2.
Black Panther doomed nation. Captain Marvel the trials.
The spectacular Spider-man sinister six.
Fantastic 4 future foundation.
The uncanny X-men house of X.
The uncanny X-men power of X.
Avengers secret wars part 1.
Avengers secret wars part 2.
Avengers secret wars part 3.
What do you think.
You're cooking lil bro
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@@ryanclaydon4864 too many movies, you can't have 9 movies for a single phase 1
I actually like this. I do like the idea of having loose connections so you could start anywhere in phase 1. It's thre individuality that makes them unique and enjoyable and the cinematic universe is the bonus
My version of MCU
Phase 1:
X-men
Spider-man
Iron man
Incredible Hulk
Captain america
THOR
The Avengers
Phase 2:
Iron man: Ten rings
Captain america: Winter soldier
X2: X-men united
Marvel Ultimate Alliance
I guess i like your verison just imagine if mcu start in 2000 with xmen
In your version X-men and Avengers feel so... far to eachother. I think it doesn't work as it should. There has to be a principal team to follow the MCU story. If you put 2 at the same time (X-Men and Avengers) it will be confusing and people won't know which one is the PRINCIPAL.
I think both Okay!!!!!!😡😡😡
@@gabrielsaraivacarneiro1546 Wtf xd
@@acordybs 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Request: What If Miles got the Venom Symbiote instead of Peter?
Insomniacl's Spider-Man 2 what if
MCU phase 1.
Captain America: The Red Skull (featuring Wolverine and taking place during WW2)
Thor (Netflix series about Thor and Loki growing up with Hemsworth and Loki being in the last three eps)
The X-men (taking place during Civil Rights with Cyclops and Gene being the main characters)
Antman 69 (an Antman movie directed by Edgar Wright taking place in 1969 and showing the normalizelation of mutants being in the world)
Captain America 2: Red Guardian (Cap fights Red Guardian in the 80s during cold war with X-men and Antman assisting)
Phase 2 would be similar to phase 1 in our universe, with Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk all getting solo movies starting with Captain America getting a Winter Soldier movie taking place in 1996. Captain America would be the one who meets with General at the end of Hulk, not Stark.
looks like we’re bouta have this actually happen after secret wars in the reboot anyway 🔥
I really like how you tied all these marvel team-ups together, painting up a picture how we would have seen the mcu with other storylines while being faithful to the storylines in the comics.
I feel like on all these, "what if Marvel had all the rights" videos, everyone acts like Iron Man was obscure enough to not have his own movie, but I feel he was actually still pretty popular before the MCU and I believe he would still have a pretty fair chance of getting his own movie. Especially when you consider that he was supposed to get his own movie with Tom Cruise back in the 90s.
To be fair with your phase has like half the amount the the mcu did so you could have other movies and tv shows to bring and flesh out more minor characters that wpuld be around in things like civil war like daredevil and the defenders, punisher and moon knight etc.
I was actually gonna create some artwork based on that scenario!😅
My version:
Phase 1:
Iron Man (2008)
The Incredible Hulk (2008)
Ant-Man (2009)
X-Men: First Class (2010)
Thor (2011)
The Spider-Man (2011)
The Avengers (2012) (with original 5 members from the comics)
Phase 2:
Captain America: The First Avenger (2013)
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Series) (2013-2020)
Iron Man 2 (2013)
Fantastic Four (2014)
The Amazing Spider-Man (2014)
Guardians of the Galaxy (Series) (2014-present)
X-Men: Rise of the Brotherhood (2014)
Daredevil (Series) (2015-present)
Ant-Man 2 (2015)
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
Jessica Jones (Series) (2015-2019)
Phase 3:
Captain America: Civil War (2016)
Luke Cage (Series) (2016-2018)
Doctor Strange (2016)
Planet Hulk (2017)
The Spectacular Spider-Man (2017)
Iron Fist (Series) (2017)
Thor: Ragnarok (2017)
The Defenders (Series) (2017-present)
Fantastic Four: Negative Zone (2017)
The Punisher (Series) (2017-2019)
Black Panther (2018)
Avengers: Infinity War (2018)
Cloak and Dagger (Series) (2018-2021)
Ant-Man 3 (2018)
Captain Marvel (2019)
The Wolverine (2019) (taking place during the blip)
Ghost Rider (Series) (2019) (taking place during the blip)
Avengers: Endgame (2019)
Marvel is one hell of a big franchise. Instead of using them as 1 connected universe, how 'bout separating them from one another, then create 1 big crossover. Separate them with the stories of the Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic 4, Midnight Sons, etc. to cover the physical, magical, scientific and dark side of the Marvel Universe, and insert Thanos/Kang/God Emperor Doom as big bad to connected them all.
This is how I think it would go
(Same structure)
Phase 1
Fantastic 4
Wolverine
Fantastic 4:Anialation
Amazing Spider-man
Incredible Hulk
X-Men
Phase 2
Fantastic 4: Rise of the Siver Serfer
Amazing Spider-man: Graduation
Incredible Hulk: New Order
Avengers
Xmen: Apacolypse
Deadpool
Phase 3
Incredible Hulk: World War Hulk
Blade
Avengers: Age Of Ultron
DareDevil
Amazing Spider-man: Last Hunt
Black Panther
X-men: Phinox
Deadpool 2
Ghost Rider
X-men: Dark Phinox
DareDevil: Man Without Fear
I tried to stick to people who actually got movies (MCU or otherwise) which is why I used Charaters like blade DareDevil and Ghost rider as other big characters are either mutants in which this would mainly be a xmen universe, or weren't used until phase 4 or beyond dispite owning the rights. And xemn are the avengers counter part is the Xemn and not still the avengers because I fell the xmen could still be a big event without much setup unlike the avengers which is why they take the place of the gardians, and hulk wouldn't be apart of the gardians because the gardians don't interact with the rest of the mcu so that will staystay just all on earth.
Not having the X-Men, FF,or Spider-Man forced marvel to get creative with their B and C list heroes. A blessing in disguise
Perfect world, best way to handle this is with restraint. Only mix in Fantastic 4 with Avengers during Infinity War (Silver Surfer taking Adam Warlock’s role from the comics and have Fantastic 4 be closer connected with him), you can have them team up with Strange and Ironman for a true planet hulk movie before that. Civil War could affect the following X-Men movie, and seperate Spiderman’s role in it into its’ own film (so that it feels expansive like it did in the comics). Infinity War might not be the best storyline to combine everyone together into (considering how much screen time Thanos needs) so maybe House of M would be better? Or Secret Wars? Let Infinity War be an Avengers movie with one or two X-Men and Fantastic 4
As soon as you said that Tobey Maguire Spiderman would have never existed, that's when I decided that the timeline we're in is definitely the better timeline
Phase I
0. Iron Man
1. Fantastic Four vs Moleman (vs Victor Von Doom)
2. Spider Man vs the Vulture
3. The X-Men (like 1st class) vs Magneto
4. Captain America - WWII, Hydra and Red Skull
5. The Avengers (and F4 and SM) vs Ultron, Nick Fury starts the Avengers
Phase II
6. Wolverine Origin
7. Spider Man in COllege and MJ Watson and Harry Osborne vs Doc Occ
8. The Incredible Hulk, origin, vs Abomination
9. Fantastic 4 II vs Dr Doom
10. Captain AMerica man out of time vs teh serpent society
11. X-Men mutant massacre - downfall of the X-Men,
12. Spider-Man III vs Green Goblin
13. Avengers Civil War I
14. Avengers Civil War II
Phase III
15. X-Men Dark Phoenix, Wolverine joins - vs Dark Phoenix
16. Ant Man
17. Captain America Legacy vs WInter SOldier
18. The Thunderbolts
19. Spiderman IV vs Venom
20. Fantastic IV - 3
21. Avengers disassembled with Fantstic IV vs Doom
I Love It 🎉🎉🎉
I would've kept things the same except insert things that make sense from a narrative standpoint
Phase 1:
Iron-Man
The Hulk
Iron-Man 2
Ant-Man
Thor
Captain America The First Avenger
The Avengers
Phase 2:
Fantastic Four
The Amazing Spider-Man
Iron-Man 3
X-Men
Thor 2
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Ant-Man 2
Avengers: Age Of Ultron
Phase 3:
Guardians Of The Galaxy
The Amazing Spider-Man 2
Fantastic Four (2)
X-2
Captain America: Civil War
Black Panther
Black Widow
The Amazing Spider-Man 3
Doctor Strange
Thor Ragnarok/ Planet Hulk
Guardian Of The Galaxy 2
Captain Marvel
Avengers: Infinity War
Avengers: Endgame
Phase 4:
Captain America: Brave New World
Guardians Of The Galaxy 3
The Amazing Spider-Man 4
X-3
Fantastic Four (3)
Daredevil
Heroes For Hire
Shang-Chi
The Defenders
Hulk would've gotten a movie in stage one.
He did
I would've liked it more if they had more fun stories like the MCU in the first few phases, to sort of create a great bond between the superheroes first like the MCU did, before bombarding them with all these dark storylines like character deaths, civil war, killing x-men etc.
No don't kill the Thing, still have an Iron Man/ Hulk/ Thor and Capt movies with FF in phase one . Spider Man comes in in phase two.
Nope... Spider man is a phase 1 type character... He should come before iron Man and thor
And the truth is that if marvel would've had the spider man movie right to begin with he would've been like one of the first introduced into the MCU and it still probably would've been tobey Maguire
@@Purplemoose657 Nope. U bring your Big Guns in the second act (Always!)
@@Purplemoose657 nope!! Toby was Rami's choice and whoever would be in charge of Marvel Studios would probably have their hands on that casting. Rami probably would not have been involved.
@@seereadnhear don't get smart with me asshole
amazing concept- how about ‘what if marvel only owned spider-man and fox owned everyone else?’
This was a really great video! You should do a part 2 that would go into the next saga leading off of this. And I would change one thing, I would probably either switch where Captain America’s movie and Hulk’s movies are, because I think Hulk was more popular than him before the MCU. But honestly I love what you did with civil war (other than I would maybe put it later), so I would want both cap movies before it, so maybe you could just add in another hulk movie that would come out before avengers, again because he’s so popular. But like I said, fantastic video
Who agree that Marvel should get the rights back to Spider-Man
im pretty sure we all want Marvel to get the rights back to Spider-Man but its just never gonna happen unless Sony says Yes (which is unlikely and stupid) there is no possible way that Marvel could get the rights back.
Not going to happen 🙅♂️
@@T3aseW1thease lol you do know marvel can sue sony if they keep making garbage and dilute the brand. Its a matter of time till sony self destructs and marvel gets the rights back.
Not giving members of the Avengers solo movies before Avengers is a recipe for disaster. This is the exact same reason no one cares about Justice League cuz only half the members got movies before had and Batman never even got one. The reason the Avengers worked so well was because we saw the heavy hitters in solo movies and Black Widow/Hawkeye made appearances before hand
Probably yeah, this is how I believe it would’ve played out. Marvel got fortunate by the fact they were limited by choice
You're forgetting marketing. Without the success of the mcu, but accesss to all their characters, they would have to start with something guaranteed to be a success like Spider-man, X-Men and Hulk. After a couple successes they could backtrack and do a prequel like Fantastic Four. Iron man was a gamble but they didn't have the rights to many big name characters, and so in a world where they had all their characters they wouldn't gamble on iron man or captain america right away. Afterall, logically, if you want a franchise you start with your best characters. And FF isn't that big compared to Spider-man. Basically, this whole universe would be different
it needs THOR. this is cool and all, but part of what made the mcu so cool was the introduction of the cosmic stuff earlier on. all of the best moments came from seeing how characters from completely different sides of the universe, literally, interacted with each other and how they would team up to solve a common threat. it’s the marvel UNIVERSE, not the marvel earth.
I remember back when The Avengers came out I asked my teacher why wasn’t Spider Man in it he is Marvel and TASM came out that year too and my teacher had to explain to 14 year old me about Sony Marvel and MCU Marvel and how Spider Man’s film rights are owned by Sony and not Disney
I'm glad they didn't have them right off the bat. We got popular comic characters brought to be household names. Iron Man, Thor, and Cap were popular within the comics crowd, but other than that not really much. If they had all their most popular ones immediately it would've gotten old fast since these characters are so popular we already know their story.
I would of used the cap movie to introduce wolverine and namor too, as well as make mention of the original human torch.
I actually wish the MCU had all of its characters
Tbh I don’t agree. I’m happy with what we got, it probably would’ve been messy if they had access to everything
@@LewisFanFiction Well I actually am not, I really hate what we got but I am not going to argue about it.
Really like this :D
My only objection would be introducing major Avengers members in other people's films during Phase 1, the reason the MCU Phase 1 worked so well was that it was so focused on setting up the Avengers, giving the four core members their own films with very little detours in each (minor characters like War Machine and Bucky being introduced but always being relevant to the story, not necessarily sign posting what was to come). Yes the MCU was later able to bring major characters in during other people's films (Black Widow and Spidey) but only after it had earned our trust.
With that in mind, my pitch for Phase 1 would be;
1) Spidey
2) Hulk (Small Tony Stark cameo similar to Hawkeye in Thor)
3) Spidey 2 (Introduces Ant-Man and Wasp as supporting players)
4) Captain America
5) The Avengers (Spidey, Hulk, Ant-Man, Wasp, Cap and Iron-Man
6) Fantastic Four
Then Phase 2 would focus on introducing the X-Men, giving a few sequels, and bringing it all together for Civil War (really like Civil War as a 2 part film by the way).
Like you said, I'm glad circumstances forced the MCU to work out like it did, in hindsight there's really nothing I'd change about Phases 1 - 3 (except for maybe Black Widow and Hawkeye films), but it doesn't hurt to fantasise :D
Nah this is way to dark and depressing and some characters are even missing……and some characters dying way to early this makes me happy that we got what we got whit the Mcu and that they didn’t have all the character rights, becuse then it would be like the DCEU
This would be so good for the reboot after secret wars, with a few alterations. But absolutely great.
You completely missed the Black Panther, he has direct ties to the FF , Captain America, and to Wolverine.
Adamantium was made from experiments with Vibranium, as was shield.
There's no way of anyone getting Vibranium without some interaction, from Klaw at the very least.
Bro i like how you've been doing this for years now, i remember your what if andrew Garfield was in the mcu video, luv it❤
Thank you!
if you look on the bright side(which people never do anymore), it could help seen as a good thing that the MCU didnt have the rights to all these characters. It allowed them to focus more in the Avengers and aim an entire Saga for them having the best buildup and finale ever. They probably wouldn’t have been able to do all that as well if they had three teams to focus on🤷🏿♂️
I like to think the actual phase one would be more close to
Captain America
The Wolverine
Fantastic Four
Iron Man
The Hulk
Spider-Man
The X-Men
Thor
Ant-Man
The Avengers
Hulk vs. Wolverine
Which would pan over 5 years just like the OG phase 1
I would actually have two villains in the for the main story in the Spider-Man story, the burglar who killed uncle Ben at the very beginning and then vulture through the main story
Cap also doesnt die in battle in civil war comics, he dies post turning himself in after seeing how many people have been hurt or killed and then gets gunned down on his way to trial.
Lmao when he said
" And the rest is more to come "
DOOM is so hard
I think the best love interests pathway for Peter Parker is to start with Gwen Stacey being his first love, then either kill her off or have them split. Then tease MJ but nothing too serious early on. Then somewhere in between introduce Felicia Hardy (Black Cat) and have them have a fling for a while as they have good chemistry. Ultimately they wouldn’t last and then finally go back to MJ who is his true love and have them marry in the future.
I definitely would have done this way differently. I would have started with Hawkeye and black widow solo film, Captain America where he fights red skull and Baron Zemo. Iron man film similar to what we got just introducing the mandarin at the end. The a daredevil and punisher film where kingpin is the main villain. A blade film introducing Morbius. A spiderman origin where he faces shocker, vulture and mysterio, Introducing Norman Osborn by the end. Fantastic 4 film where the team is already established and dr doom is the main villain. X men movie similar to what we got where magneto is the villain. Thor movie where he is introduced to Hercules and and they have to battle ares god of war. Finally to round out phase 1 hulk film where he battles abomination. Second phase an avengers film where the main villain is Loki and this brings together everyone we saw in the original avengers film but with dare devil, spiderman and fantastic four helping. Afterwards another fantastic four film as a two parter introducing silver surfer and galactus. Iron man 2 film where Justin hammer and Whiplash are still the villains however hammer creates his super adaptoid. He needs thor and caps help to beat it. In doing this he sees Thor’s potential and creates the Thor buster just in case he needs it for the future. In Spiderman 2 we see Peter go to college and meets Gwen Stacy. His villains are the lizard and sandman. Daredevil 2 where he meets Electra, His villain is bullseye. Blade 2 he goes up against Dracula. He meets Black knight and by the end of the movie ghost rider is introduced. Ghost rider Vengence ghost rider teams up with Punisher helping punisher deal with the death of his family and the people that caused it. Thor 2 he meets enchantress and Scurge. The main villain is absorbing man. Captain America 2 where the main villain is crossbones and the serpent society which he gets help from spiderman. To end phase 2 Avengers 2 birth of Ultron. Tony meets Hank Pym and they create ultron. All the heroes have to battle him and his ultron bots. By the end they introduce falcon and moonknight
PLEASE MAKE A PART 2 THIS IS AMAZING (also can you kick off phase four with guardians of the galaxy)
I was thinking about this these days remembering the early MCU days and actually... this could've happened, albeit not how we imagine.
In 2007, Sony (Spider-Man), Fox (X-Men), Universal (Hulk) and New Line (Blade) had finished all their plans for their current Marvel movies, where Universal ended up accepting to include MCU elements in 'Incredible Hulk', even if they weren't really gonna do another movie. What if the other studios thought "wow, 'Iron Man' made a LOT of money, maybe we could also get in on this" and all of them worked together?
In 2009, there could've been a Wolverine AND a Captain America movies, tying Magneto as Red Skull's secret weapon instead of the Tesseract. In 2012, there were the first new Spider-Man movie and the Avengers, so they could've linked both without crossing over. In 2015, there were the first new Fantastic Four and the Avengers sequel, so they could've drawn a connection between the teams with a shared villain like Molecular Man.
I think it would've been crazy because it's the ultimate fan's dream to see the entire Marvel universe together on screen. Yeah, we would have problems along the way like we already do and we wouldn't get movies on less known characters like Guardians of the Galaxy or even Ant-Man until maybe Phase 3 or 4, but it is what it is. The real loss would be movies like 'Logan' because that would be way too much of a "what if..." story in a big shared universe.
Of course, this is all considering Marvel would be producing so they would have to change the movies if they ended up like 'Fant4stic' or 'TASM2'.
This is like the first What If ive actually found intersting
I’m glad that Sony Pictures still owns Spider-Man
I mean other then the spiderverse movies it does feel like sony are begging to have Disney to get it's movie rights with the likes of madame web and morbius existing. the amazing spidermen even though it had a few good actors there was some strange writing that would have still carried over if they made a 3rd
can you make a What if Spider-Man was a Mutant and a member of the X-Men?
If you’re not already working on this vid, do the opposite For if DC didn’t have their characters. I made this thought experiment like a true DC-MCU. Start with C tier.
My character substitutions were
Superman-Spiderman
Batman-Hulk
Wonder Woman- X-Men
Green Lanterns- Fantastic Four
Love this pitch. The dark story really appeals to me
You should do a pt.2 with house of M, secret wars, galactus, etc. you had some cool ideas in this video
Awesome Marvel Characters With Spider-Man 💙💙💛❤️💛❤️💚❤️💙
Great vid, great concepts... made a fan
We wouldn’t have gotten No Way Home because the movie wasn’t about the characters in itself it was about the films and the actors. We didn’t go to No Way Home to see 3 Spidermen and the villains we came to see Tobey Andrew Tom Wilem Dafoe Alfred Molina Jaime Foxx the guy who played the lizard the guy who played sandman
Nice video, but i think there are a couple of things I would change about it. This would be my pitch for Phase 1
Iron Man (2008) same movie
Uncanny X-Men (2008) This would feature a younger version of the X-Men (around college age) the lineup would be Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Angel, and Ice Man. With Cyclops being our lens into the world of mutants. The villain will be Magneto.
The Incredible Hulk (2009) same film
Ant-Man (2009) This would be Edgar Wright’s version of the film and would feature Hank Pym as the protagonist. Janet won’t be getting the Wasp suit until the post credit scene
Thor (2010) same film
The Avengers (2010) this movie will be roughly the same besides for some changes. The lineup will be Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, and Wasp. Instead of Thanos, the post credit scene will feature some S.H.E.I.L.D agents exploring a phenomenon they located in the arctic. One of them discovers a weird formation lodged deep in the ice. It looks to be a red and blue spangled disc with a star shape in the center, the scene would cut to black.
I like your take on the mcu. You earned a follow
Damn mole man catching stray real quick
Magneto vs all those using metal.
I really think civil war should be an entire phase. I’ve always thought that would be better. Instead of trying to push it into two films. You could show the effects of the accords in the individual films. And both avengers films could be the beginning and end. And just like event comics you don’t have to watch the individual films in this phase. You will get the primary story in those two films. But will also get more context if you watch everything.
It could very much be like how they explain stuff in infinty war for viewers that didn’t watch everything. Just quick one to two sentences that catches viewers up without haunting everything.
I hope we get a recreation of this in the MCU… *IF* and this is a huge *IF* !!
If they actually reboot they should really more into the comics 🤷♂️
Also…
*THEY SHOULD STOP REDESIGNING THE SUITS*
They’re good enough…
Well some 😅
Good stuff here, but a little too all over the place. Definitely deserved to be double this videos length (people's attention span be damned! 😂)
Ya juat gotta love Doom being the main big bad.
That's why it's so crucial for MCU to NAIL his casting in real life
I actually hope they reset the universe instead of going to "all new avengers". I don't like only doing team movies without the build up to team ups. Cyclops needs a solo film and the x men should be from his perspective as it changes from professor x to magneto. Really need the x men vs avengers movie and hydra Captain America TV show.
I dont think they wouldve even bothered introducing the avengers until phase 3 and mostly wouldve focused on spider man, fantastic four, hulk and xmen
Well I mean since Disney owns BOTH all of Fox and Marvel and shit, after Avengers: Secret Wars, they can restart the MCU properly
Man you should write Spuderman movies or tv shows
The only thing I disagree with is the lack of Doctor Strange.
I imagine Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver would be introduced in phase 4 as X-Men and temporary Avengers
Mine would probably be (Phase 1):
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
The Fantastic Four
The Uncanny X-Men
Thor
Captain America and The Invaders
The Indestructible Hulk
The Amazing Spider-Man
The Avengers
I like this but 2 hulk movies in one phase is kinda unnecessary
@@Frkhar1 Phase 1 has 2 Iron Man movies
Well, I think starting with Cap is really the only was to go. Also having characters related to that era. I think the Howling Commandos, Wolverine would be introduced as well as the Human Torch. Then having the Wolverine Origin but with characters like Raven and stuff. I would then put up the X-men set up set in the late 80s where the X-men are much younger just like it was. It is important especially for X-Men Days of Future past storyline. Set up a Wolverine going through that period too, but not in the X-Men. Technically the comics are supposed to be in the 60s to late 90s but to have it “modern” it kind of hard for that. Set in the late 90s a Dr.Doom solo movie this is where we see how Doom become the ruler of Latveria and how Doom meets Reed and such, but he is not going to be the main villain of the Fantastic Four movie later, it will be the Mole Man. Then fast forward everything to 2005 and set up the Avengers origin, this is only the original members, not Captain America he goes later. After 2007 we set up characters like the defenders mainly Daredevil, Punisher and all of the b-list characters that we like. In 2007 introduces the Fantastic Four they are the first family, X-Men does need to be older given the comics because the characters need to be older later. Then in 2008 we have the Avengers film. Then we have some new characters introduced that should be in the timeline at this point between 2008-2010. This is where we have the second Avengers film which would have Captain America come back. During 2009 Spider-man’s origin would come out as a series instead of a movie, why because too many things happen in his origin, not only does he fight characters like Chameleon, who personally would just be one of the first Peter fights after Ben’s death. It is important that Peter needs to be aged for later story arcs. So a younger Peter actor as well as Gwen’s death and introduction of MJ. Of course all of this is when he is in college, but Peter’s life is very long to do these storylines. Also I had an idea that Goblin would not be the one to kill Gwen. I can explain why simply put it I think having Green Goblin being the reason for everything that happened to Peter during his 3 movies with introduction of Sinister Six, the show would have some of the members including Vulture and Electro. I also forgot to mention having the X-Men being in here in the timeline, there would have been a Wolverine and Hulk movie and Wolverine getting into the X-Men. So with the Spider-man show having Hobgoblin who is Miles Warren yes I know it is Ned Leeds in the comics. He then becomes obsessed of losing Gwen, now because we need to have Norman being the one to having Gwen dying is the fact that Miles tested a pre-goblin serum. This does make him insane, but Norman also took some and was exposed, Norman doesn’t know this. But becomes the Hobgoblin as well, not the Green Goblin is slowly becoming the dominant one this is where it develops after Gwen is captured by Miles as Hobgoblin, Norman Hobgoblin comes in and takes Gwen. Now since both Miles and Norman are not fully there, they don’t know what is going on so, after Gwen’s death Miles sees this as he returns to mind wearing the Hobgoblin suit. This makes him go insane thinking he killed Gwen. Peter then would find out that it is Miles who is the Hobgoblin after he reports himself to the police. He becomes the Jackal and will later have the clone saga. But this also makes Green Goblin still the one to do it, but to have it so later when he forms the Sinister Six to take down Spider-man it would break Peter a lot worse, that is wasn’t Miles who killed Gwen but Green Goblin. This is several years later once Peter is in college. So from 2010-2012 We have the second movies for the Avengers, the third Avengers film, the second Fantastic Four movie, the four X-men movie, and as well as other hero solo films like Iron Fist who comes back after many years. I am going to stop here but I will have a better timeline because this is long. I want to do as many storylines accurately and made better or just like the comics. A few changes are made so it just more impactful, like Hobogoblin, Green Goblin feels like he needs to be made more sparingly.
I do agree that this does feel a little off and rushed but I think these a way to connect all these stories while also being able to set up for a long term game plan.
Phase 1
X-men
Spider-Man
Hulk
Fantastic 4
Iron Man
Hulk 2
Iron man 2
Thor
Ant Man and Wasp
Captain America
The Avengers
The following phases can go in many directions but new characters like the guardians, doctor strange, and black panther would be introduced while existing continue on with their journey. The avengers once again assemble to fight a big bad but in this universe stay together and will have characters like black panther and occasionally the X-men come in and help. This all leads to ultron and him winning thanos styles until they eventually defeat him. He’s able to at one point brainwash the hulk into attacking the avengers and after a rough battle and ultron finally being stopped they disassemble and leads directly to civil war. But before that Thor leaves earth to go on to ragnarok and tony forms a premature Illuminati kick hulk off world. Civil war happens with all characters. Right after this world war hulk occurs and heroes are out in worse light. After every heroes has gone through so much infinity war occurs when everyone is at their lowest and lose. It takes all left alive, a world war hulk, black panther whoever to lead to endgame
The reason why the mcu work so well in the beginning was because we had a tight narrative wrapped around six heroes and side characters.. there was constant story building from one movie to the next but now it's just way too much to have a continuous storyline the way it was before.. we're waiting years now to find out what happens next and with the movies that are coming out it's just not worth it anymore.. we haven't seen shang chi once since his movie lol this is what's wrong with marvel
You should do an insomniac marvel universe video, with other heroes like the avengers, X-Men, fantastic four, guardians and inhumans type of thing
your what if was ok ill give it 75 outta 100 i jus think u killed too many characters off tho
At the beginning I wouldn’t care but then I’d start watching a lil more at Civil War. Technically the reverse of real life I always cared until every movie after Endgame.
My mcu vision
Phase one
Spiderman 1
Iron man
The hulk
Punisher war of journal
Wolverine past of wapon x
Xmen
Fantastic 4
Daredevil tv show
Phase 2
Captaine American
Thor
Fury série
Cletus killer série
Quicksliver série
Ultmaite alience
Man thing
Sandman solo movie
Phase 3
Spiderman 2
The increldibel hulk 2
Punisher 2
Iron man 2
Blade
Ghost rider
Black punther
Nova série
I was today years old to learn Spider-Man’s first love interest wasn’t Mary Jane or Gwen Stacy
I think it would have been better to keep more of the original movies and just add several more to the total amount made. We could say Marvel had more money to throw around or something
so basically ironman, dr strange and thor are irrelevant
Well no bcos ironman and Thor are still og founding members and pillars of the avengers
Yes they are always second fiddle
Im five min in and despite the great story telling and imagery i simply cant enjoy the video with the hypothetical that the solo untied in super hero movie to set off the "New MCU" is fantastic four...the movies before iron man could have EASILY kicked off the MCU we know and love today ESPECIALLY with the characters they DID have the rights too at the time i mean fox essentially rented the rights so once those films were made you could touch on other heros as your working to get the right of others. Movies dont get made in a week so youd have time. In my opinion the ONLY way you could have unequivocally done the MCU right is before avengers come out or shortly after pull a star wars and get the back story going build hype for the big finally dont just jump right in.
the desperation of early mcu is why they became successful