If you want to work with second-hand kit, tnen OO or N are the only viable options. I really like the true scale of TT, but it's going to be a long haul to get this scale anywhere near competitive with the masses of stuff available new and used in the legacy scales. Well done for getting these TT bits onto the used market, and good luck with the OO 👍
TT:120 is definitely the perfect size in a small space you can fit so much in like I did. For anybody wanting to run full rakes and realistic layouts it will be perfect for them.
@@ianjeffery6744Everyone seemed to be caught in a mass hysteria about TT120. It’s almost difficult to distinguish from N. The old TT3 was a good size. Smack in the middle; it made sense. From the off TT120 is just a daft idea.
But TT120 is not British Standard TT, which is 1:110 scale. So Hornby's products can not be intermixed with all the other TT ranges that have been around for years !!!
Hi i was thinking of tt120 when it first come out but went for n gauge as it could be brought from shops and lots of second hand trains and parts are out there a lot cheaper great video 👍
I am with you all the way. I returned to the hobby after many years away about 6 months ago. I looked at TT120 but opted for 00 which is where I came from. Like you I was stunned by the price of everything. So the second hand market was the way to go. Keep on going with the 00 layout and enjoy.
I was always attracted to the original triang TT ;when I was a kid,but obviously I wasn't in a position to buy any back then,but I was intrigued by the,then, smaller scale (way before n gauge was popular,or indeed,available).fast forward sixty years,and I was thinking;great ,perhaps this is a potentially new opening into 3mm ,but the prices ,and the lack of range of available rolling stock and locos ,not to mention the limited used market,and few other manufacturers producing British outline stock ment I returned to 'OO',when I finally started building my "retirement layout "....all equipped by used locos and stock...and none the worse for that.Pity that the TT experiment looks doomed to failure for a second time though 😮
If it’s still around 5 years from now then maybe there will be a used market but it can’t survive surely with only Hornby making the locos, other manufacturers would need to make TT and back it. It’s a great scale but will eat your money with the prices. For me I’m happy with used 00 and DC. I was intrigued with the HM7000 system and it was good but once again price. Every loco you buy add another £65 for decoder and up and up the costs go. I’ll stick with DC and the old stock at a fraction of the cost.
Hi and thanks for uploading all the previous Amber Falls you have done, I've enjoyed them all. I find my self in a similar situation, built a 6 x 4 foot 3 oval layout with sidings etc and i really don't want to total up what it's cost me as 99% of the stuff was bought new. I want to base my layout loosely on 50/60s time era so i was very disappointed in hornbys livery choices for the 08. I bought the Easterner set and Blink Bonny (both with sound and to use hm7000 which i still don't think is better than a physical controller) plus extra coaches and wagons and buildings etc! But i still wish i had space to use 00 gauge as getting TT120 to decouple is a pain, even using ramps or the little gadgets you can get for manually disconnecting stock. If i could flog what I've got without losing a fortune i would. Anyway look forward to your future vids and best wishes.
Hi Thank you I enjoyed making them. I agree with you I found it fiddly so changed to the magnetic couplers which helped but no good for shunting, at that time when I got to realising I couldn’t really shunt on the layout and the ever rising costs of TT:120 I knew I was done. I’ve now started on a 00 layout which connects to my inglenook, it makes a 6ft x 7ft layout with operation in the middle. It’s surprising how much bigger and more space 00 takes up but the size and ease of use is so much more worth it and not forgetting the deals you can get on the pre-owed market. I’ve lost a lot on the TT:120 layout initially but in the long term it will even itself out I’m sure. All the money I made has given me everything I need in 00. Videos will start to drop on the new layout end of Feb so hope you watch. Enjoy your layout it is a good scale but has its flaws as all scales do.
I model in OO12 and HOm - that is three foot narrow gauge in OO and HO using 12 mm gauge track. The new Hornby / Roco 1/120th stock is way too expensive to buy and take a hacksaw to - and Pacifics weren't exactly common on 3 foot gauge to start with. I buy old Triang and Berlinnerbahn mechs quite cheaply and rebuild / scratchbuild. But then, I enjoy building my own stuff. Not sure what will happen, even now with this venture. Peco are supporting it, but the customers and modellers have to do so too in order for it to succeed.
Think that’s best way to go buy old and redo. I think in order for Hornby to succeed in the TT:120 range is to bring out more like the railroad range and release cheap starter sets in TT:120 to get people involved and then it may stand a chance.
Sounds like you were always a second hand customer so TT120 was always going to be too expensive. Even when they launched the pricing and discounts were billed as introductory so we could see where it was going. We’re only just over a year in so plenty more to come. Enjoy OO. If you have the space it’s a great scale
I think I have always been a budget model railway guy yes to be fair. I tried it had fun doing but glad I’m back to 00 so I can have the choice. TT is the perfect size in realistic spaces. I’ve started with a 00 layout and can’t fit half as much layout in with an even bigger space but happy with what I’ve got. Still will be following TT watching where it goes. I’ve also moved away from DCC just happy with DC listening to model trains. I’ll watch CZcams for my DCC fix for free lol.
Spotted it on eBay and thought noooooooo that can’t be Amber falls can it? Sorry to see it go, but I get where you’re coming from. Wish you all the best.
Absolutely agree with you about the pricing, afraid I am very cynical when it comes to Hornby. Although I was interested in the TT120 idea it was never going to be an option for me due to my OO gauge collection. I have managed to put together an interesting layout using Flexi track on a 2 foot by 6 foot board. I can have trains going round and shunting at the same time, analogue not DCC, and have some other interesting elements as well. I always try to buy pre-owned locomotives and have managed to get those advertised as spares or repair working in most cases too. There are still bargains to be had but I think people have got wise to the increasing demand for second hand rolling stock and the prices are creeping up. Good luck with your future layouts.
Thank you, I’m enjoying the 00 and freedom to buy what you want on the 2nd hang market. I managed to buy 3 locos at £30 each a N2/Class 25 and DMU. Like you say bargains are still out there and that suits me. Your layout sounds great enjoy 😊
From what I’ve seen on another CZcams channel, the motors in the Hornby TT:120, are failing after 30 hours of use! It appears that you are paying a lot of money for an unreliable mechanism.
I keep hearing people saying that HM7000 is a good system but both the decoders ive had both failed in very short order. I mean whilst they were working they were great, i liked the system but i want reliability. Maybe ive just been unlucky.
Agreed. You add the de facto quasi-monopoly of Hornby on this scale for the UK market (Peco manufactures some wagons, but that's not enough), and you can get easily in a dead end. For chasing low-priced second-hand rolling stock, sorry, but outside OO for the UK, as you said, no way. Event UK N second-hand is awfully overpriced. Also, many people, and me too, are doubtfull about the potential future of UK TT by Hornby and others, if they want to be involved. Bachmann (which owns Graham Farish for N scale) and Dapol (interesting N scale range) are not rushing on the TT market, this might be indicative of something... For my own, too much investment in OO/HO and N, so no need for a third scale at home.
I agree, it is expensive, but what isn't now days. I will be sticking with TT120 purely because I like running express trains and do not have the room to do that in OO. I managed to pre order most of what I needed when I was eligible for the 15% discountnd, ordered in sets, and that made the cost of early entry into a new scale more reasonable. The new TTA tankers are superb, but at £25 a pop you soon say goodbye to £100. The old 00 ones can be bought s/for 4 to 5 pounds, so if you are on a buget (and who isn't) thats probably the way to go. Looking forward to seeing you doing some shunting. 🚂👀😃
why not run 'N' gauge, it's established, cheap and gives you even more room than tt120 for you to be "running express trains and do not have the room to do that in OO".
Maybe? but don’t think so really I just think the hobby is more for super detailed high end. But there are some of us in this hobby that just want model trains that can look good but without all the bells and whistle. Problem is the manufacturers seem to ignore that and mostly caters for high end layouts not the 6x4 ft casual modeller and that’s a shame.
@@dmsstuffbydavidmolloy5089 In America it's a bit different. You definitely get the high end models (scaletrains, Bowser, Athearn Genesis) but you also get a certain amount in budget ranges. Generally will be missing grabrails and MU hoses, me personally, I can't run without those, but for those who don't care, you can get basic models for an ok price.
Yeah, don’t blame you mate. I started railway modelling just when TT120 was released and toyed with the idea of that scale, went with N in the end as I didn’t fancy being beholden to Hornby price gouging and the lack of gear on the market for it, next to bugger all buildings and a similar number of varying rolling stock and locomotives. Good luck with your 00 venture 👍🏻
Hornby (unfortunately) captured the market - but then they became greedy - the knock-on effect throughout the railway modelling world has snowballed out of all proportion; even TMC (who I rate highly) are attempting to shift last year's stock at rock bottom prices, but seemingly, no-one's buying, preferring instead to purchase pre-owned (& who can blame them). Unless the various model manufacturers come to the realisation that they're going to have to slash old & brand new stock drastically, they'll be in for a vary harsh, rude awakening; it may even result in another Hatton's debacle (tho' I do hope not); it is the aforementioned manufacturers who will have to take a hit on their profit margins, or watch a drastic decline in the business overall. As with everything else in the UK & Europe, austerity has bitten down hard....
I think that the choice of locos was pretty crap frankly, and hronby went for bling and the cash rather than something that could be cheaper fun to operate on a mico-layout. The O8 is an exception, but the pacifics? Do we need so many? A few tank locos would have been far more interesting and a more tempting (for me anyway) introduction to the hobby.
i must admit i'm not a fan of 2.54mm to the foot (tt120) modelling. I was never a fan of 2mm to the foot (n) or the real TT 3mm to the foot. I realise that there seems to be a big following on the continent for this, but there is also a massive following on the continent for HO 3.5mm to the foot and literally nobody runs 'HO' with uk trains, so that is a poor argument for tt120. In both this country and the continent we already have 'N' at 2mm to the foot, which give you fantastic products from many manufacturers and large layouts are possible in a small space, a smaller space than tt120. So why the need for a slightly 'larger' version of N gauge model railways, no need whatsoever.
I just know I’m happy with my 00, I suppose options for everyone is good. I felt TT:120 was fiddly so god knows how N gauge would be. Some amazing layouts in N I’ve seen but that’s a real skill modelling with that.
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if you're only into spending £50 max on a loco then i cannont fathom why you went into 1:120 in the first place tbh. it's hard enough finding decent stuff in N Gauge for that price and N Gauge is a much more established scale second only to OO in the Uk market.
Don’t get me wrong I have disposable income of course I do but like to split it into all my hobbies not all on one thing. I enjoyed making the TT layout and splashing the cash on it but into the future could see it becoming too expensive for what money I wanted to spend on it for what use I got from it. I’m not a realistic modeller trying to create realistic model railways, to me they’re toy trains to pass time on and have a little fun with. I enjoy just doing it not planning it & not over complicating it. I like the DCC sound it’s great listening to the sounds but to be honest to enjoy the natural sound the model trains make is just as good because in reality that’s what they are model trains. You get to the point where you have sounds on a steam train great but still don’t look right because where’s the smoke where’s the steam etc etc. There’s different types of people in this hobby and I sit firmly on the budget model railways side. Yes I could afford it but rather not. I would feel a lot better knowing I’d spent £50 on a 2nd hand loco that needed a little tinkering then £247 for a shunter with sound.
I never even for a second thought they would, I said the pre owned market would be cheaper once a circulation of TT:120 stuff is out there if it survives 5 or so years.
@@dmsstuffbydavidmolloy5089 Model railways is an ageing hobby, quite a large proportion of it is made up of the 70+ age group, the last generation to remember steam trains in service. As that generation dies off will there not be a tsunami of second hand stock dumped by widows ignorant of its value and just happy to be rid of it?
HORNBY TRYING TO AVOID COMPETITION WITH NON STANDARD SCALE ???? Hornby's absurd TT120. Is NOT a British Standard scale. British TT is 1:100 (3mm to the foot). So none of the Traditional TT ranges equipment that have been around for years can be interfaced or used with this non standard "squashed" version, which is a weird 2.5mm to the foot. I think Hornby have made another serious mistake. As they've infuriated the thousands of established TT3 modellers, including the "3mm Association". Indeed as Hornby has been financially in the RED for over two years. This daft TT120 could be the final nail in Hornby's COFFIN !!!!
@railwaymechanicalengineer4587 TT:120 is not and never was 2.5mm to the foot - it is an IMPERIAL scale and it is EXACTLY 1/10th of an inch to the foot, which makes it more British than most of the scales already out there. Also, Hornby are not avoiding competition because no-one can stop other manufacturers from producing TT:120. The fact is that Hornby started planning and designing many years ago and they have a head start on other manufacturers. Other manufacturers will join in as soon as they see that TT:120 is becoming successful (which is undeniable) and as soon as they can get something designed and produced, which will take them two or three years at least. There is plenty of space in Hornby's announced future releases for other manufacturers - for example Hornby have not announced any Type 2 diesels in their future range so that is where other manufacturers will probably start.
I admire you for having ago. But as an OO gauge modeller, I can only ever see TT-120 as the enemy. It robbed the OO fraternity by allowing Hornby to cook up some half backed ideas, tacked together with some truly dreadful marketing and PR, but using money handed to them by OO modellers in lock down. It’s not just TT-120 that’s failed. Hornby is failing. Time and time again failing to meet its core customer’s expectations. We all must except what the likes of Accurascale, Rapido, Cavalex etc already have ; that OO is the centre of the universe in modelling. And that’s just how it is. Reckless and stupid of Hornby not to understand this.
@muppetrowlf1473 If you are going to complain about TT:120 then you should at least get your facts right. Hornby's TT:120 project was started way before Covid was even heard of and funding for the development and production would have been independently secured before starting and therefore they did not use "money handed to them by OO modellers in lock down". TT:120 is doing very well as can be seen by the many retailers jumping at the chance to sell it. On the other hand the market for 00 is pretty saturated, with manufacturers either duplicating models or else having to produce more and more obscure prototypes that fewer and fewer people will buy because it isn't in their region or era. Hornby should be congratulated for being innovative, not condemned for not producing more 00. Just stick with your 00, no-one is going to force you to change to TT:120.
No…. Nothing non factual about what I said. TT-120 would have to have been developed before Covid. But…. Lockdown provided them with the boost to push it out there. But it’s all on several false premises. Children? There aren’t ANY. And there won’t be. Small houses? Rubbish. My Grandad ran Dublo in a small terrace in Birmingham. You have no evidence that TT-120 is a success. I don’t have the sales figures either. But I’m sure the decline of Hornby’s share price and level of financing, leading to the change of CEO must be seen as a negative. I was at Warley 23. Hornby’s announcements regards TT-120 were met with a combination of sarcasm and silence.you are right, I care not a bit about TT-120. But it and countless other stupid decisions by Hornby ( Hattons, Rails, Rapido etc) have badly effected their OO output. And what can’t be denied is that is where the money is. Every new manufacturer has sat slap bang in the middle of OO. The staff at Hornby must be on drugs to be able to look the OO gift horse in the mouth as much as they do. Hornby is such an illustrious and evocative name. It must survive, but I’m so glad I’m not a shareholder.
I fully agree with you, the pricing is out of control.
Ain't it just....kills the hobby off...
If you want to work with second-hand kit, tnen OO or N are the only viable options.
I really like the true scale of TT, but it's going to be a long haul to get this scale anywhere near competitive with the masses of stuff available new and used in the legacy scales.
Well done for getting these TT bits onto the used market, and good luck with the OO 👍
Thanks for adding to the pre-owned market.
I love TT120. Everyone needs to make their own choice though.
I agree with you about the prices. However, I think TT:120 is good for creating a layout that is impossible in the space on OO. Thanks for uploading.
TT:120 is definitely the perfect size in a small space you can fit so much in like I did. For anybody wanting to run full rakes and realistic layouts it will be perfect for them.
With so much good N gauge stuff available, who needs TT?
@@ianjeffery6744Everyone seemed to be caught in a mass hysteria about TT120. It’s almost difficult to distinguish from N.
The old TT3 was a good size. Smack in the middle; it made sense. From the off TT120 is just a daft idea.
@@kellypaws Yes, the Triang TT3 range was developing nicely, but N took over, I suppose. Pity, as TT3 would make a nice basic budget range today!
But TT120 is not British Standard TT, which is 1:110 scale. So Hornby's products can not be intermixed with all the other TT ranges that have been around for years !!!
Hi i was thinking of tt120 when it first come out but went for n gauge as it could be brought from shops and lots of second hand trains and parts are out there a lot cheaper great video 👍
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I am with you all the way. I returned to the hobby after many years away about 6 months ago. I looked at TT120 but opted for 00 which is where I came from. Like you I was stunned by the price of everything. So the second hand market was the way to go. Keep on going with the 00 layout and enjoy.
Thanks and keep watching I’m enjoying the inglenook it’s all I need 😊
I was always attracted to the original triang TT ;when I was a kid,but obviously I wasn't in a position to buy any back then,but I was intrigued by the,then, smaller scale (way before n gauge was popular,or indeed,available).fast forward sixty years,and I was thinking;great ,perhaps this is a potentially new opening into 3mm ,but the prices ,and the lack of range of available rolling stock and locos ,not to mention the limited used market,and few other manufacturers producing British outline stock ment I returned to 'OO',when I finally started building my "retirement layout "....all equipped by used locos and stock...and none the worse for that.Pity that the TT experiment looks doomed to failure for a second time though 😮
If it’s still around 5 years from now then maybe there will be a used market but it can’t survive surely with only Hornby making the locos, other manufacturers would need to make TT and back it.
It’s a great scale but will eat your money with the prices.
For me I’m happy with used 00 and DC.
I was intrigued with the HM7000 system and it was good but once again price. Every loco you buy add another £65 for decoder and up and up the costs go. I’ll stick with DC and the old stock at a fraction of the cost.
Hi and thanks for uploading all the previous Amber Falls you have done, I've enjoyed them all. I find my self in a similar situation, built a 6 x 4 foot 3 oval layout with sidings etc and i really don't want to total up what it's cost me as 99% of the stuff was bought new. I want to base my layout loosely on 50/60s time era so i was very disappointed in hornbys livery choices for the 08. I bought the Easterner set and Blink Bonny (both with sound and to use hm7000 which i still don't think is better than a physical controller) plus extra coaches and wagons and buildings etc! But i still wish i had space to use 00 gauge as getting TT120 to decouple is a pain, even using ramps or the little gadgets you can get for manually disconnecting stock. If i could flog what I've got without losing a fortune i would. Anyway look forward to your future vids and best wishes.
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Thank you I enjoyed making them. I agree with you I found it fiddly so changed to the magnetic couplers which helped but no good for shunting, at that time when I got to realising I couldn’t really shunt on the layout and the ever rising costs of TT:120 I knew I was done.
I’ve now started on a 00 layout which connects to my inglenook, it makes a 6ft x 7ft layout with operation in the middle. It’s surprising how much bigger and more space 00 takes up but the size and ease of use is so much more worth it and not forgetting the deals you can get on the pre-owed market. I’ve lost a lot on the TT:120 layout initially but in the long term it will even itself out I’m sure. All the money I made has given me everything I need in 00.
Videos will start to drop on the new layout end of Feb so hope you watch.
Enjoy your layout it is a good scale but has its flaws as all scales do.
I model in OO12 and HOm - that is three foot narrow gauge in OO and HO using 12 mm gauge track. The new Hornby / Roco 1/120th stock is way too expensive to buy and take a hacksaw to - and Pacifics weren't exactly common on 3 foot gauge to start with. I buy old Triang and Berlinnerbahn mechs quite cheaply and rebuild / scratchbuild. But then, I enjoy building my own stuff. Not sure what will happen, even now with this venture. Peco are supporting it, but the customers and modellers have to do so too in order for it to succeed.
Think that’s best way to go buy old and redo. I think in order for Hornby to succeed in the TT:120 range is to bring out more like the railroad range and release cheap starter sets in TT:120 to get people involved and then it may stand a chance.
Sounds like you were always a second hand customer so TT120 was always going to be too expensive. Even when they launched the pricing and discounts were billed as introductory so we could see where it was going. We’re only just over a year in so plenty more to come. Enjoy OO. If you have the space it’s a great scale
I think I have always been a budget model railway guy yes to be fair. I tried it had fun doing but glad I’m back to 00 so I can have the choice.
TT is the perfect size in realistic spaces. I’ve started with a 00 layout and can’t fit half as much layout in with an even bigger space but happy with what I’ve got. Still will be following TT watching where it goes.
I’ve also moved away from DCC just happy with DC listening to model trains. I’ll watch CZcams for my DCC fix for free lol.
Spotted it on eBay and thought noooooooo that can’t be Amber falls can it? Sorry to see it go, but I get where you’re coming from. Wish you all the best.
Thanks, love your videos and will still be watching to see how the TT:120 community evolves 👍
I enjoyed your videos on TT120, thanks for sharing
Considering that OO has just about everything and N has a very wide range of products I never understood why TT:120 would be popular.
It’s a nice scale to be fair. Just expensive because it’s limited at the moment.
You should give it time....TT 120 good deals already appearing on ebay !
To late now all gone done and dusted and moved on to my 00 project. Which to be fair I’m enjoying a lot more.
Absolutely agree with you about the pricing, afraid I am very cynical when it comes to Hornby. Although I was interested in the TT120 idea it was never going to be an option for me due to my OO gauge collection. I have managed to put together an interesting layout using Flexi track on a 2 foot by 6 foot board. I can have trains going round and shunting at the same time, analogue not DCC, and have some other interesting elements as well. I always try to buy pre-owned locomotives and have managed to get those advertised as spares or repair working in most cases too. There are still bargains to be had but I think people have got wise to the increasing demand for second hand rolling stock and the prices are creeping up. Good luck with your future layouts.
Thank you, I’m enjoying the 00 and freedom to buy what you want on the 2nd hang market. I managed to buy 3 locos at £30 each a N2/Class 25 and DMU. Like you say bargains are still out there and that suits me.
Your layout sounds great enjoy 😊
From what I’ve seen on another CZcams channel, the motors in the Hornby TT:120, are failing after 30 hours of use! It appears that you are paying a lot of money for an unreliable mechanism.
I keep hearing people saying that HM7000 is a good system but both the decoders ive had both failed in very short order. I mean whilst they were working they were great, i liked the system but i want reliability. Maybe ive just been unlucky.
New tech , not good if failing 😡
I’m all DC on new layout, maybe miss the sounds but to be fair won’t miss the extra cost 🤪
Agreed. You add the de facto quasi-monopoly of Hornby on this scale for the UK market (Peco manufactures some wagons, but that's not enough), and you can get easily in a dead end.
For chasing low-priced second-hand rolling stock, sorry, but outside OO for the UK, as you said, no way. Event UK N second-hand is awfully overpriced.
Also, many people, and me too, are doubtfull about the potential future of UK TT by Hornby and others, if they want to be involved. Bachmann (which owns Graham Farish for N scale) and Dapol (interesting N scale range) are not rushing on the TT market, this might be indicative of something...
For my own, too much investment in OO/HO and N, so no need for a third scale at home.
Where are you selling your TT120 kit?
All gone mate ages ago now 👍
I agree, it is expensive, but what isn't now days. I will be sticking with TT120 purely because I like running express trains and do not have the room to do that in OO. I managed to pre order most of what I needed when I was eligible for the 15% discountnd, ordered in sets, and that made the cost of early entry into a new scale more reasonable. The new TTA tankers are superb, but at £25 a pop you soon say goodbye to £100. The old 00 ones can be bought s/for 4 to 5 pounds, so if you are on a buget (and who isn't) thats probably the way to go. Looking forward to seeing you doing some shunting. 🚂👀😃
Yea I think my 00 shunting layout will be the right fix for me. TT is a great size and absolutely perfect for what you’re using it for. 😊
why not run 'N' gauge, it's established, cheap and gives you even more room than tt120 for you to be "running express trains and do not have the room to do that in OO".
🤔 maybe a future project
Accurascale seems to be offering the best value right now.
A bit dramatic
the real issue is your paycheck (just like for most of us) has kept stuck in the 2000's...
Maybe? but don’t think so really I just think the hobby is more for super detailed high end. But there are some of us in this hobby that just want model trains that can look good but without all the bells and whistle. Problem is the manufacturers seem to ignore that and mostly caters for high end layouts not the 6x4 ft casual modeller and that’s a shame.
@@dmsstuffbydavidmolloy5089 In America it's a bit different. You definitely get the high end models (scaletrains, Bowser, Athearn Genesis) but you also get a certain amount in budget ranges. Generally will be missing grabrails and MU hoses, me personally, I can't run without those, but for those who don't care, you can get basic models for an ok price.
Yeah, don’t blame you mate. I started railway modelling just when TT120 was released and toyed with the idea of that scale, went with N in the end as I didn’t fancy being beholden to Hornby price gouging and the lack of gear on the market for it, next to bugger all buildings and a similar number of varying rolling stock and locomotives. Good luck with your 00 venture 👍🏻
You can control the points via the HM7000 system ...
You can yes with HM6010’s 👍
Spot on
Hornby (unfortunately) captured the market - but then they became greedy - the knock-on effect throughout the railway modelling world has snowballed out of all proportion; even TMC (who I rate highly) are attempting to shift last year's stock at rock bottom prices, but seemingly, no-one's buying, preferring instead to purchase pre-owned (& who can blame them). Unless the various model manufacturers come to the realisation that they're going to have to slash old & brand new stock drastically, they'll be in for a vary harsh, rude awakening; it may even result in another Hatton's debacle (tho' I do hope not); it is the aforementioned manufacturers who will have to take a hit on their profit margins, or watch a drastic decline in the business overall. As with everything else in the UK & Europe, austerity has bitten down hard....
HO is a better option price wise and has more buildings and scenery to offer...
I think that the choice of locos was pretty crap frankly, and hronby went for bling and the cash rather than something that could be cheaper fun to operate on a mico-layout. The O8 is an exception, but the pacifics? Do we need so many? A few tank locos would have been far more interesting and a more tempting (for me anyway) introduction to the hobby.
i must admit i'm not a fan of 2.54mm to the foot (tt120) modelling. I was never a fan of 2mm to the foot (n) or the real TT 3mm to the foot. I realise that there seems to be a big following on the continent for this, but there is also a massive following on the continent for HO 3.5mm to the foot and literally nobody runs 'HO' with uk trains, so that is a poor argument for tt120. In both this country and the continent we already have 'N' at 2mm to the foot, which give you fantastic products from many manufacturers and large layouts are possible in a small space, a smaller space than tt120. So why the need for a slightly 'larger' version of N gauge model railways, no need whatsoever.
I just know I’m happy with my 00, I suppose options for everyone is good. I felt TT:120 was fiddly so god knows how N gauge would be. Some amazing layouts in N I’ve seen but that’s a real skill modelling with that.
@@dmsstuffbydavidmolloy5089 People actually model finescale 'N', now you need young eyes for that. I model in P4 and that's fine enough for me.
one thing i didn't mention, it is at least using a track gauge that's right for the scale, for the first time ever.
Agree. It’s Betamax and was just a failed vanity project
Hopefully doesn’t fail for all them invested but yea mini disc anyone
Hornby have priced themselves out of the market, won't buy them anymore as they are better manufacturers out there.
Hornby has lost touch with reality.
Could I have a link to your eBay, please?
Hi
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Its become a rich mans hobby. Get yourself a 3D printer and start knocking out loads of rolling stock ;)
if you're only into spending £50 max on a loco then i cannont fathom why you went into 1:120 in the first place tbh. it's hard enough finding decent stuff in N Gauge for that price and N Gauge is a much more established scale second only to OO in the Uk market.
Don’t get me wrong I have disposable income of course I do but like to split it into all my hobbies not all on one thing. I enjoyed making the TT layout and splashing the cash on it but into the future could see it becoming too expensive for what money I wanted to spend on it for what use I got from it. I’m not a realistic modeller trying to create realistic model railways, to me they’re toy trains to pass time on and have a little fun with. I enjoy just doing it not planning it & not over complicating it. I like the DCC sound it’s great listening to the sounds but to be honest to enjoy the natural sound the model trains make is just as good because in reality that’s what they are model trains. You get to the point where you have sounds on a steam train great but still don’t look right because where’s the smoke where’s the steam etc etc. There’s different types of people in this hobby and I sit firmly on the budget model railways side. Yes I could afford it but rather not. I would feel a lot better knowing I’d spent £50 on a 2nd hand loco that needed a little tinkering then £247 for a shunter with sound.
Why not look at the 3mm scale society which is british TT and see what that has to offer you. It could prove to be very beneficial.
You’re deluded if you think prices will come down
I never even for a second thought they would, I said the pre owned market would be cheaper once a circulation of TT:120 stuff is out there if it survives 5 or so years.
@@dmsstuffbydavidmolloy5089 Model railways is an ageing hobby, quite a large proportion of it is made up of the 70+ age group, the last generation to remember steam trains in service. As that generation dies off will there not be a tsunami of second hand stock dumped by widows ignorant of its value and just happy to be rid of it?
HORNBY TRYING TO AVOID COMPETITION WITH NON STANDARD SCALE ????
Hornby's absurd TT120. Is NOT a British Standard scale. British TT is 1:100 (3mm to the foot). So none of the Traditional TT ranges equipment that have been around for years can be interfaced or used with this non standard "squashed" version, which is a weird 2.5mm to the foot. I think Hornby have made another serious mistake. As they've infuriated the thousands of established TT3 modellers, including the "3mm Association". Indeed as Hornby has been financially in the RED for over two years. This daft TT120 could be the final nail in Hornby's COFFIN !!!!
@railwaymechanicalengineer4587 TT:120 is not and never was 2.5mm to the foot - it is an IMPERIAL scale and it is EXACTLY 1/10th of an inch to the foot, which makes it more British than most of the scales already out there.
Also, Hornby are not avoiding competition because no-one can stop other manufacturers from producing TT:120. The fact is that Hornby started planning and designing many years ago and they have a head start on other manufacturers. Other manufacturers will join in as soon as they see that TT:120 is becoming successful (which is undeniable) and as soon as they can get something designed and produced, which will take them two or three years at least. There is plenty of space in Hornby's announced future releases for other manufacturers - for example Hornby have not announced any Type 2 diesels in their future range so that is where other manufacturers will probably start.
I admire you for having ago. But as an OO gauge modeller, I can only ever see TT-120 as the enemy.
It robbed the OO fraternity by allowing Hornby to cook up some half backed ideas, tacked together with some truly dreadful marketing and PR, but using money handed to them by OO modellers in lock down.
It’s not just TT-120 that’s failed. Hornby is failing. Time and time again failing to meet its core customer’s expectations.
We all must except what the likes of Accurascale, Rapido, Cavalex etc already have ; that OO is the centre of the universe in modelling. And that’s just how it is. Reckless and stupid of Hornby not to understand this.
@muppetrowlf1473 If you are going to complain about TT:120 then you should at least get your facts right. Hornby's TT:120 project was started way before Covid was even heard of and funding for the development and production would have been independently secured before starting and therefore they did not use "money handed to them by OO modellers in lock down".
TT:120 is doing very well as can be seen by the many retailers jumping at the chance to sell it. On the other hand the market for 00 is pretty saturated, with manufacturers either duplicating models or else having to produce more and more obscure prototypes that fewer and fewer people will buy because it isn't in their region or era.
Hornby should be congratulated for being innovative, not condemned for not producing more 00. Just stick with your 00, no-one is going to force you to change to TT:120.
No…. Nothing non factual about what I said. TT-120 would have to have been developed before Covid. But…. Lockdown provided them with the boost to push it out there.
But it’s all on several false premises. Children? There aren’t ANY. And there won’t be. Small houses? Rubbish. My Grandad ran Dublo in a small terrace in Birmingham.
You have no evidence that TT-120 is a success. I don’t have the sales figures either. But I’m sure the decline of Hornby’s share price and level of financing, leading to the change of CEO must be seen as a negative.
I was at Warley 23. Hornby’s announcements regards TT-120 were met with a combination of sarcasm and silence.you are right, I care not a bit about TT-120. But it and countless other stupid decisions by Hornby ( Hattons, Rails, Rapido etc) have badly effected their OO output. And what can’t be denied is that is where the money is. Every new manufacturer has sat slap bang in the middle of OO.
The staff at Hornby must be on drugs to be able to look the OO gift horse in the mouth as much as they do. Hornby is such an illustrious and evocative name. It must survive, but I’m so glad I’m not a shareholder.
@@ngcolesseconded. Well said.