Dovetail Side Clamps (12L13 steel) - my first hobby machining project :)
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- In this video I attempt to make a pair of side clamps with dovetails. I alsays wanted to try out a dovetail cutter. Was a bit worried that my dovetails wouldnt be tight enough. But it turned out that the dovetail cutting wasnt hard at all. No wiggle, and a perfect smoot slide.
This was project was a bit of a chalenge for me as a beginner. Really learned alot. Finish and functionality turned out great. These ones will save me lots of time when it comes to fixturing. So I actually feel a bit proud.
Making the clamps did however take longer time than I thought. I estimated 8hrs, but it took about 20h for me to make these ones.
I made some mistakes, most of them related to that I wanted to take larger cuts than my little mini mill could handle. That caused z axis get pulled down, it happend 3 times. If I will tighten z axis horder, the cast iron wall might brake. Think it is only 8mm thick. By machining a set of adjustible feets for the stand, so that it stands leveled in, might reduce this issue. that will be in an upcoming video. Thx for watching.
I have instagram: @aspiringhobbymachinist
Oh, it was a ChipWelder video, I thought it was a SANDVIK Ad.
LoL :D
@@thechipwelder1253 Chips are worth becoming an Ad, so nice.
@@thechipwelder1253 Nice all round effort. I hope you're still doing projects because you haven't posed for a a year.
I'm no expert but I think you are overdriving you cutters a bit. If you listen just before 16:00 you can hear it bog down as the cutter loads up and at 16:23 you can see a lot of movement.
I suspect your cutter is capable of those feeds and speeds but your mini-mill doesn't have the rigidity to do those cuts.
That smaller milling cutter you first used at 00:24 and all through seems much better suited to your mill. What sort of cutter is it because it leaves a great finish and seems to just rip through.
By chance have you seen the Side Clamps that were done on the channel TheMetalRaymond?
He's from Mexico I think and works in a big shop with big mills but his overall design for a side clam is pretty good.
Overall very nice job.
Keep doing vids.
This is quickly becoming one of my favourite channels! Keep em coming!
Thx :) That is very encouraging to hear. Since the camera stand was in the way pretty much all the time during this project. :D So nice to hear that people apreciate the videos. It has been taking me long time to get my machines running, and they aint finished yet. However, I can now use all three to make parts to finish them. :) I have some very nice videos planned. So hopefully this chanel will just get better and better. :)
@@thechipwelder1253 Absolutely! Very exciting. I save your videos for when I'm sitting down with a cup of tea lol. Nice and relaxing :) Cheers!
Absolutely amazing. Such good quality products produced by such a simple little manual mill. It can take quite big cuts aswell with not much chatter. This channel is a great inspiration to hobby machinists. Thanks very much.
Thanks for commenting Chris. When I look at them one could almost think that they were made by a proffesional cnc. I did not expect being able to machine this nice things when I put the machine together. And dovetail slide fitted just perfect. Perhaps it was "beginners luck" as we say in Sweden. 😀
How can I not watch your videos are great & I learn so much from you.👍🏴
first hobby machining project...very good machining....good job
Thank you very much! :)
Great video, great project and great machining, very enjoyable! You have a talent for this.
They came out nice. I don't think I have the patience to do this. You are better than me, sir.
Brilliant job mate…
Very fine tools... Very fine machining... kudos...
Hi from Australia. Bloody fantastic, I learnt so much thanks for the video. I have been following you far awhile now. Regards Merv
Thx for commenting mate! I was hoping to upload more videos like this one during november and december. People seem to like it and I like it to. Unfortunatly, I was not able to spend as much time in the garage as I planned 2020. Lets hope 2021 will be a better year. I got plenty of plans + stock on the shelf.
Thx for watching and commenting hope to upload a desent video soon.
/ a very cold Sweden :)
also , thats some great manual machining on the interlocking dovetails.
I dont know if I was lucky or something. But the dovetail went very fast to machime and the fit was perfect. Was expecting it to be harder and prepared for a sloppy fit. But it turned out great, will for shure do some more dovetail machining.
Great project. Amazing finish
Awesome job, congrats on the first machining project. It obviously went well.
Yes it went very well :) but I also put in some effort and spent 20hrs. So it took me some time. Did some mistakes, most of them related to me trying to save time, and take larger cuts than my minimill could handle. Which caused vibrations and z axis lock untightend. Which did
Not save time. thx for commenting :)
@@thechipwelder1253 And, even with all of that, it made you just that much better a hobby machinist because all mistakes you learn from, and just as important as any tool in your tool box.
Absolutely beautiful work!!
Loving that mirror finish man👍 looks awesome 👍
Thanks for positive comment 😀Yeah! Pretty cool being able to obtain that finish on a "home buildt" minimill. The steel I used in this video, looked very mirrory, from certain angels. But 4140 HT I can get to look shiny from all angels. 😃
@@thechipwelder1253 keep up the great work👍
I think you did a very nice job Sir!!!
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You should look into the 1/2 function on your dro. It will help you a ton. Oh and get yourself an edge finder. Very nice project!!
Awesome. Thank you so much!
Thank you for posting the video. Very helpful.
Thx for commenting :)
What a spectacular looking set!
Hell of a job!!! Keep it up your going places...
Nice design! I was watching and thought if I were to make those using that same design the one thing I would change would be to make the threaded screw as part of the base and leave the movable clamp/jaw with only a threaded half just like that of an independent jaw chuck.
nice work
Just hit the corresponding axis then the 1/2 button. Will save you a heap of time when you want to find centre.
Oj vilken skärpa! Vad använder du för kamera?
Riktigt snyggt gjort också!
Tjena! Använder min Samsung S8. Filmar i 4k, laddar dock inte upp det, då filerna blir för stora.
@@thechipwelder1253 Antar att du editerar i 4k och sen render i 1080p då?
your dovetails mate beautifully.
i only would have made 1 clamp and then used a backstop on the other side. like a Kurt vise, i think you only need compression to the table from one jaw.
i do like the fact that you can use the pair of clamps together for fine tuning x or y axis.
nice work
I like the idea of two movable clamps and two solid spots, if you need consistent locating, kind of like of like a 4-jaw lathe chuck.
Great job
A very well done project
a big salute to a hobbier (as you describe yourself)
this is a professional machinist work
well done
I like your work and I have a challenging project for you if it interests you.
regards
Nice job man ! Your channel is becoming one of my favorites 👍🏼
Now it s time for some good clamps for that vise, a fly cutter and some t nuts 😁😁😁
Later edit : you will never have enough T nuts lol
Thx for the support man. Always positive and encouraging comments from you. Yeah, Really need to make some vice clamps, and t-nuts. Actually thought about making
Vice clamps as my first project but it felt a bit booring. I have only made "boring" parts for my machines; Square and many holes in a row.... good practise for me though. Felt that I wanted to test what I learned so far and actually try and make something nice. Regarding vice clamps: Last week I bought two nice 4mm yg1 ballnose cutters. Thinking about testing out some 3d toolpaths with them, making two premium delux vice clamps. Very unecessery but I think it will be fun. :)
TheChipWelder you deserve it man, nice content and love to see that people are still doing manual machining 👍🏼
If you want something more challenging try doing a shell mill, saw that somebody sent you a bunch of inserts that you don t have holders for them, do some holders and a shell mill, that i would love to see especially i did a lot of tooling and always nice to watch a different aproach in order of operations and all of that angles jazz 😁😁
I have bought some really nice stuff that I think you might like. First a beast cast iron stand for the 6040, with a 40mm thick steel plat that I will bolt the router on to. Will be a nice upgrade from my ikea table. Then I also bought two very nice large seco disc milling cutters on auction. Got them for ten bucks each. Seem to be ~ 20 nice inserts on booth of them. Plan to add a low rpm horisontal spindle on my minimill so that I can use them to cut up stock. I plan to make some
Cutters, but that will be when I run 5 axis. would like to make one for sandvik 345 inserts.
TheChipWelder sounds good bro, looking forward seeing them and working. My plan now is to build a tool grinder, for sharpening my carbide drills especially, they wear down pretty quick in some of the metals i work with and they costly, very expensive, especially the brand names.
Do tooling with the manual mill, you gonna learn a lot from making tool holders and other tooling like that, that DRO you have gonna make it pretty easy
The finish is almost to good to be of that mill. Could you show more of the Setup Process, indicating etc. Thanks!
Wow, that's NICE! Seems far above the hobby level if you ask me. I also didn't lock my Z on the first few times at the milling machine, wondered why there are steps on my part 😂 What's the mill model?
Hello thanks for commenting. I call it a minimill. Basicly I bought a cheap compound table, then a bt30 spindle from aliexpress, I then ordered a sieg minimill column and spindle mount. Bolted everything together with some steel plates. Also found a heavy cast iron stand. Machined a spindle adaptor plate and mounted the spindle. To run the spindle I use a 550w brushless sewing machine motor. So it is basicly a "homebuildt" from parts I collected. Weight is ~150kg and cost was about 1200 usd with DRO included. Got a playlist with videos about the minimill called " manual mill project" i think.
Minimill is not really finished yet. I will machine a new cast iron spindle plate, make adjustable feets for the stand, add powerfeed. Make a new control panel with nice Buttons and then finaly paint it Grey.
I have made parts for my router on the minimill, learning how to use it. But this was the first time I actually tried to make something that was not a machine part. Before I have mostly done square parts with many holes on a row. :)
what a great video💪💪💪💪💪😎😎👍👍❤️
Thank you Peter! I really put in all effort I had yo make the side clamps so I am super happy that the video seem to be apreciated. 😀
very good
Thx for commenting man!
very nice
Thanks for commenting Darren :)
niceeee what angle are those jaws the split?
Who is the manufacture of the main milling cutter you are using looks to do a good job
You need to find a local shop that sells metal.
It will be allot cheaper and no shipping charge.
Also, you could invest into a forge, and make your own metal stock.
Find used one somewhere locally or make one your self. See what works. I feel your pain.
Hello sir nice video.
Please tell what angle used?
Isn't the yellow ring taps for aluminum?
Steel is really expensive at your country. It was 0.5 EUR when u filmed this, and now its about 1.0 EUR per kilo in Russia
next project...power feed for your mill...
Yes! I have already planned a video for powerfeeding my minimill. I hope to make a video about that in 1-2 month from now. But I will first make a video about machining 4 adjustible feets. I will attempt do thread turning on my emcoturn cnc lathe. Have never done thread turning. With adjustable feet I hope to get mini mill leveled in so that it stand flat on the floor. Hope that it will reduce vibrations. Think that is more important! After that, video about powerfeed. It will be fun :) thank you very much for commenting.
Awesome stuff dude! BTW, I got my CNC milling machine working. I’m the guy who bought the same spindle as you did that you have on your manual mill. BTW, where the heck did you buy an BT30 ER40 taper lol? Seems kind of insane for the BT30 taper.
Bought it on ebay. Yeas might be large for bt30 but nice to being able to fiy 25-26mm / 1" shanks. :D I can give you link if u want to. Think price was about 15 usd + 15 usd shipping so a total of ~30 bucks . :)
@@thechipwelder1253 Maybe someday lol. I'm just rocking my 1/4" and 3/8" endmills, for now, to learn with. I don't have all of the fancy Sandvic tooling you've got lol. I might buy a Kennametal Kor 5 later to see how far I can push my machine once I build a proper stand for it made of steel along with filling the Z column with epoxy granite/polymer concrete. Titan from Titans of CNC made it so that the Kor5, Harvey I, and Harvey III endmills are only about $41-$50 for North American customers to help the newbies to machining over here, at least for the 3/8" and 1/2" sizes.
How fast can you run the spindle? Mine currently got a max rpm of 2600. Which make so that I need to use bit of a larger diameter tools, in order to achieve proper surface speed milling steel and aluminium. All the sandvik tooling I bought is not really necessary. But was lucky to find some imperial sized indexible tooling at ~ 90% discount. And new solid carbide endmills 1/2" ~ 20 bucks. 20mm / ~3/4 milling heads I use in the video was ~20bucks. :D Still very expensive for me though, but pretty fun and nice to being able to test proffesional stuff for not that more expensive than chinese prices. I have now started to buy much second hand used tooling. Can totaly recomend that. Much of the items I recived are in great condition. Those Harvey endmills look very cool. :) hope you can get your hands on one cheap. :)
@@thechipwelder1253 I can get it up about 4700 RPM with the timing belt ratio that I have at the moment (a 15mm Gates GT3 Belt). The AC Servo it is being driven by can get up to 3000 RPM by itself.
4600 rpm sounds perfect. :)
WTF is a reprusicator saw??
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They should get harden an tempered
damn, i thought materials were expensive here.. those 2 pieces of steel would be about 25 US dollars. You need to go to metal recycling scrap yard.. They will sell you the material by the kilo . Like a few cents per kilo as its all due to be melted down soon. The weird thing heere is that steel is as expensive as aluminum in most cases, even though its produced for less than a 1/3rd a price.
Yesh would be nice to find a nice scrap yard. I do not plan to buy any more of this type of steel. Wanted to try this type of steel since it should be good for machining. I do think that 4140 ht is superior to this type of steel. 4140 I can buy cheaper, it is also harder and gives a shiny finish. Thank you very much for commenting :)
How come I've never seen any of your videos before I see all of these other machinests their work doesn't even compare to yours
Bigger screw maybe better
Hello
Can you send tehnical drawing for that clamps
2 days or 2 weeks.Who cares how fast it gets made. that is machining porn right there! 👍👍 take two thumbs up and a subscription!
Quick question, Did you have plans or just did you draw up something yourself?
You mentioned you would like to learn some thing,
Go to Joe pie machine shop channel and watch his videos
you will learn something
ein paar mal benutzen und dann wirfst du den kram weg, da nicht gehärtet. totaler unsinn.