I live in Victoria, Australia and do a lot of deer hunting in our alpine region. One year, I was hunting from a site where I'd pitched my 4x4 with its rooftop tent. I returned mid afternoon after a morning hunt that took me about 3km from my camp site, and found a group of guys had pitched on the same spot as me. They were the full bogan types too, sinking beers and blasting music obnoxiously at like 2:00pm. They weren't too close or anything like that. In fact they were a good distance from my site. However, when I got to my 4x4, I immediately noticed boot prints that weren't mine around it, and that half a bag of firewood plus my good steel framed axe had disappeared. Guess where the prints led... I sauntered over to them with my 308 rifle forward slung, stepped into their view and loudly said to them, "I understand you may have borrowed some of my kit, it's now time to return it". After shitting their pants, they sheepishly returned my axe and now a quarter of a bag of firewood. With weak excuses about forgetting their own axe etc. I went and packed up, then left. I wasn't going to chance any more issues. How's the cheek though, to flog my stuff thinking their numbers would dissuade me from confronting them.
They're like the weirdo who gets on the bus and sits next to you even though the whole rest of the bus is empty. I don't know what is wrong with some people, you sort of think people who enjoy camping like you have similar interests would have the same values and sensitivities but no!
I had the same thing happen to me, I was on a canoeing/fishing 3 day camping trip up a small creek in the middle of nowhere, just me and my french bulldog, I thought no one would ever be there as it was quite a paddle to get to and quite out of the way up a small side Creek. During my trip to get there, I passed a boat with 8 adults and 6 kids having a rather loud party, they also had a couple of jet ski's and a rubber dinghy. As i continued my trip I noticed that I was being followed by them, but i didn't give it much care as I knew where I was going was going to be hard for them to get to in their large boat. I soon lost them around the shallow water bend in the creek entrance. I got to my camp site and started setting up when I heard the jet ski's/ dinghy in the next creek along, which I presume they thought was the one i went down. I could hear them yelling "where did he go? Which I have to admit had me a little worried, but I continued to unpack my gear and set up camp. I made lunch then decided to go further down the creek to fish, about a 20 minute paddle, the whole time still hearing the sounds of outboard motors. After about 30 minutes, I heard a jetski getting closer and thought this is getting really strange, then I see this guy on the jet ski see me then turned around straight away and take off, I had a bad feeling so started to paddle back to my campsite, as I get within sight of my camp I notice the jet ski's and dinghy on the shore, 5 tents had been set up there, a fire pit bbq going (which was my fire pit) and music blaring through speakers. As I reached the bank they all just stared at me like I was an unwanted trespasser although the look on my face probably wasn't one of happiness at this point. As I made my way up the embankment I noticed that my tent had been un-pegged and dragged to the edge off the camp-site, my fishing gear I left had been gone through with some missing and my esky had been gone through and my 3 tomahawk steaks, bacon, sausages, eggs, bread rolls and my 2 bottles of rum were gone, needless to say, I was not happy and started to make my way over to the group to confront them, as I approached I notice one of the older guys pick up a axe quite menacingly, by now their kids have also hopped into my canoe and started going through my stuff in there. I could see my steaks/sausages cooking away on my fire pit grill along with their terrible sizzle steaks and cheap sausages, my half drunk rum bottles on their table with buttered bread rolls/salads ect among their food and drinks. I said to the group as I approached why did they move my tent and steal my fishing gear/fire pit and food, to which one of the guys said they had to move my tent as it could have caught on fire from the BBQ pit, but denied going through or taking my stuff, to which I replied that it seems amazing that everything I'm missing you seem to have, to which the guy holding the axe told me I'd better leave as I'm making the women with them feel unsafe and he might have to do something about it, I decided it wasn't worth my life arguing with these low life thieves, so I decided to cut my losses and retreat to safety and some place that I could get phone reception to call the police. As I was trying to pack my belongings into the canoe while getting drunken abuse hurled at me, I kept having to tell the kids to get out of my canoe, to which the parents told me I have no right to tell them what to do. When I was packed two kids were refusing to get out so I pushed off with them in still in it, the adults started screaming and running for the jet ski's, but the kids quickly jumped out in waist deep water and walked to shore as I was pelted with abuse and rocks. Also one of the women in the group really liked my dog and kept calling her over, telling her she was a good dog and saying how I was cruel to take her camping and she was going to keep her and give her a better home, unfortunately for her she couldn't hang on to her as she struggled to get back to me. The police said they went out there but couldn't find them or my stuff, but I doubt they did as I returned about 6 months later and found my fire pit still in the same place and my 2 broken fishing rods there minus the reels my empty rum bottles and all their garbage they just dumped. I now take mace whenever I go camping alone.
@abl1699 This isn't the only time I've had a bad camping experience caused by people who were over intoxicated but was definitely my worst. I've had a lot of good times camping with no problems at all and have generally felt safe.
I once returned to my tent to find someone had erected theirs right next to mine, they even put their guy ropes inside my outer skin. Luckily I snore pretty loudly and they left early the next day 😂
I can understand a couple of hikers pitching up next to you after struggling to find a pitch and being knackered, but a whole group like that is just taking the piss! People like that spoil it for all of us!
not all townies behave like this. Just the ones whose idea of fun is partying and finding a free beer garden thinking everyone else is like them. World is getting small with the wrong people in it
That's the problem with this world, everyone trying to make everyone else a good little boy, but no one really knows what that means. We've lost a lot of our humanity to complacency and domestication. We are actually made weaker, dumber, and less independently viable because of it. Even the average human brain size has dramatically shrunk over the past 3 thousand years or so. Basically, we're turning ourselves into ants who like to play as being adventurers instead of having the competence to actually live our lives.
Exactly same thing happened to me last week in a camping ground in Germany. I was the only one on the green, went out, came back and 2 large tents were build right before my nose. Family gathering. Before my tent there was a table with banks and people were sittingthere having dinner and a childrens riding hors. The whole place was empty, they did this purposefully. I took my tent and moved away and one of the guys said, I did not want to disturb you. (Yeah)...
I woke up early one morning to find a tent set up behind mine and a little kid trying to light a fire in-between our tents while his mum watched. So incredibly inconsiderate some people are.
Bullies. You did exactly what they wanted you to do. Leave. But what other options do you have. With the beers and rowdy behavior, you'd of been in for a long night parked right next to that group. You're the better man for taking higher ground. I suspect karma takes care of people like that, with low grade living.
You can't say they didn't intimidate you when you literally dragged your tent away. Can't say for sure what the motivation was setting up right next to you . But the dude said he camps in that spot all the time , he probably felt like you encroached on "his" spot.
@@stanleyhape8427 I'm not the guy that made the vid, so I'm not sure why you tagged this on my comment, but yeah it's pretty obvious why they set up right next to the guy, when there was the whole woods to camp
That’s totally out of order, you can tell it ruined your whole trip. You did the right thing moving away your mind would never settle. I think I’d have probably packed up and went stealth at 2 in the morning on a tent slashing mission but hey that’s me 😂 better luck in the future mate 💪🏻
In life choose your battles, better to turn the cheek an move on and live for another day, no need to fight they were wrong and all know it, you came out the man and winner.
@@sal50111 I go to the woods to be away from humans. I go to the pub to be with humans. Politeness is essential out in the woods. Ask folks if you can join them. Never assume they want company.
I gave up camping at that spot years ago. Arseholes like that have left a dump of plastic, beer bottles, shitty toilet paper, and even used tampons, etc. Google Earth further south and explore through dense vegetation, there's some superb one-person pitches right on the water. Good luck on your future adventures
Eeek, intelligence is rare. They likely meant no harm. Folks come up and fish right next to me when there are miles of open shore. I just ask them politely why they chose to fish right where I am. I then 16:27 politely tell them that I have myo interest in their company and that they may take this spot but not to even think about taking my next. You'd need a time machine and a condom for the parents of those types to fix the problem.
I bet you got a criminal record. It probably says you was convinced of being a piece of shit and ignorantly dangerous to yourself and others. You see fool, they saw him the cops would ask if there was anybody around. And guess who they would say was around . In other words he would be the only suspect. Not to mention they all probably parked at the hotel .they have employees, " whitenesses "
It is inconceivable how cras, selfish, ignorant and down right arrogant some folk are! They clearly have no clue at all about the sanctity of outdoor life and how important it is to let people just be and get on with their own thing. I used to live in Kent and do a lot of open canoeing. One of my regular trips was just a day out along a short stretch of the Medway for a cuppa and watch the world go by for an hour or so, before heading home. One day, having found my preferred spot was clear and no fishermen or other users were there, I pulled the canoe out and set up my small day camp with my chair and stove etc. I settled in for some lunch and tea and was watching the Kingfishers darting up and down. Along the footpath about twenty mins in, a double family of two large muscular dads and heavily made up mums and four small kids in swimming kit arrived and dumped two huge back packs which had inflatable paddle boards, two large cool bags full of picnic stuff and a huge blanket. They set all this up actually touching the small piece of tarp I had under my own chair! They then stood there looming intimidatingly with the two mums not speaking but staring at their iPhones. It turned out from listening to the kids and dads that they were Russian. Then one of the dads approached me standing on my tarp and said, "How long you gonna stay?" I was utterly gobsmacked at these utterly rude sods! I told him as long as it took me to cook lunch, eat it and then drink a pot of tea and decide how long I wanted to stay. He looked really pissed off and just stood staring at me. I asked him to get off my tarp and stand away. He did, but the other guy looked really nasty. Anyway, just to piss them off, I just carried on. After about another twenty minutes of it getting really annoying, I decided they were never going to back down; by this time they had inflated the two paddle boards and were already looking at trying to move my canoe to use the same bit of bank to launch. So, I made angry noises and said I couldn't believe how rude they were and packed up and buggered off. It was really incredible and I was so angry but had no way to get rid of them. I never saw them again and I felt they may have driven from out of town and walked a fair way from their car to the spot. At which point, they just asserted themselves by intimidating me and invading my chosen spot. Clearly invading other people's space is a Russian trait! 🤬
Really sorry that happened to you, pal. Some people think the world revolves around themselves. Can see it rattled you a bit, and it would me even more! You handled it perfectly and set a good example in face of a terrible one when it would've been easy to stoop to their level 👍
This happened to me and my husband. We had a fire on the beach, having lunch and 6 cars show up RIGHT NEXT TO US, like, 1 car width away and out pops 22 people! They were city folks and they were so loud. They had the entire coastline to choose from. They’re were barely any people on the beach that day. We packed up and left but I was effing livid!
Due to CZcams influencers no offense , so many aholes are going to the same places so they get swamped by aholes and spoil it for those who wish these places to remain secret so to speak.
Just started to watch you on the tv. Had come on my phone to leave a comment. Omg , I didn't know whether to laugh or cry 😭. I would have cried, to be honest . Don't people drive you insane 🤦😒. I'm watching little sparta. now . Love Scotland ❤️ 😍.
I live in Australia mate, nobody invades your space normally, but if they do light a big fu*&king fire with lots of smoke that blows their way and they should move on 😂😂
They where tough lads . You did the right thing. Too many of them . Odds were against you. If there was only 2 of them, no problem. You could have told them to piss off. Good video mate. Keep it up👍
G'day, from NZ, our forests are vast, and we don't have these problems (except in the high tourist areas), but having said that, one time I was in a very remote area and was surprised to find that when I awoke in the morning, there was a tent pitched about 5 metres from me. there was plenty of places to pitch (it was by a river) but they decided that my place was the better one. I was out for 4 days, and this person was the only person I was to see. It does spoil the remote feeling, but this is very rare. Anyway, that's my little story on that subject. Enjoyed the video ATB Cheers from the mountains of NZ ☺☺
The person might of felt lonely or scared alone at night. People need to be less hard hearted and caring for others but if the holy spirit gives concernment and you see this person to be aggressive , drunkard or too quite then by all means just get away for your own protection and peace of mind... Light and Love ✝️🕊️
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Good call moving. A night next to the trackie bottom brigade would be horrible. Out of order what they did. I done a bike packing trip last week well away from there had a 81mile ride home after climbing over rest and be thankful I emerged at Lomond looking for easy relaxing mostly flat ride home after that. Nothing but mess and a holes unloading camping gear right out their cars/campers. It's a no go zone for any true campers now.
Same thing happened to me in the Cairngornns over one New Year. Already pitched in the snow sheltered behind a bank with my wife. Two winter walkers rocked up and pitched 8 metres away. In a 6 square kilometre valley. I asked if they were pitching there and the reply was "good a place as any". Went hoping for solitude and ended up listening to their route planning conversation all evening.
Man, that sucked, i had people try to pitch or pitch their tents way too close to mine a few times as well. A lot of people don't respect others privacy and space.
I've had a similar experience in Ontario, Canada. My group had set up camp close by the water of the campsite, so our shelters were not easily visible upon entering the campsite, however we made sure to leave our water filtration, chairs, and other things in the main camp area so people knew we were there. A family comes and "claims" the site. I tell them we are literally camped down by the water which they could easily have seen where we were at. They refused to leave the site as we weren't camped in an obvious spot. It doesn't matter where we were, we were part of that campsite. I told them they can pitch their tents on our site if they want but they'll have to shit in the same hole as us, eat at the same table as us, share the same food locker, and walk through the same areas as us if they were to stay. They left afterwards after realizing their entitlement would inconvenience them and ruin their trip. I've also had experiences where I've gladly helped fellow Hikers set up camp at our site if it was raining and sun was setting and they've asked respectfully.
That is the attitude of today, they did the wrong thing and you did the right thing, and I guarantee if you had a mate or two along with you they wouldn.t have acted like that, loch lomond is a magnet for these types.
"WET WET WET!" Looks like a total washout. Unfortunate that the other group chose to "invade" your space with so much free space available. But at least you had a nice chicken curry for dinner! 😎
Yes, it was Extremeky Rude, Very Poor of them guys to set up camp next to you. I am a solo camper also. I would have left too. I go out to enjoy nature. Not other people.
Camping use to be good back in days . And then we had more campers and litters , the place became a mess . And then they decided to control and make money out of the lot , creating those camp sides full of idiots , and you had to pay . Best advice next time , don’t pay , walk a little further of the bam and enjoy your evening . Scotland outdoor is fantastic a little bit further is awesome . Go further , free , no rubbish , no idiots .
I live in Ireland and my experience here is that groups of scumbags are lazy so they will always camp somewhere near a place they can park their car(s). For that reason, I have a policy of camping in places that are a good hike away from the nearest road.
New subscriber here. Never mind them. Think about how amazing you are that you de-escalated and dealt with the situation. Unhurt. You had a great camp and learnt something. And made a quality video. That’s a Win if you ask me 👍
It all depends on the situation...You arrive late, there's no place... You find a spot and ask nicely if they mind that you pitch your tent and don't make noise and go to bed.... that's fine by me. But a group like this with this situation.... kinda rude
My wife and I were camping up in the Rocky Mountains and two guys came into camp and started to get aggressive until they realized I had a pistol in my belt under my shirt then they left
A real pain. I'm sorry to hear that.I would have felt exactly the same as you. Spoils the experience many of us hope for. If people want a fenced in campsite with toilets etc then they are available. but these guys wouldn't have gotten away with a rowdy night due to people pressure and they would have been outnumbered. Rain doesn't help it has to be said. Or midges...
I go with a little rule for myself. If you can park at the spot it ain’t worth the bother. Put in a little graft walk a hour or so gets you away from the park & piss it up crews. Well done for keeping the head tho mate that must have took some will power 👍
Pity that happened. Too common on Loch Long and Loch Lomond, even with the restrictions. Hard men in a group but probably fannies alone. Duck Bay? Do they still have a nightclub? Worked there in the 90s when I lived in the Vale.😂😂😂
That looks like a beautiful place What a drag having to set up a second time in the rain. Those nimrods seem like the type who would be noisy all night and be peeing in the stream above where you get your water.
There seems to be a lot of asses camping out now. They have no respect for the countryside or other people. I try to get right away from folk now. I just can't be bothered with the scruffs anymore. All booze and messing it up for the rest of us. If its on Loch Lomond, they need a permit. Maybe it's time to put the prices up and take registrations.
Sorry that happened to you dude; there are good spots further south outside the permit zone at Dail, All't a Guanan outflow and Mark bothy. You used to be able to see if any other permits had been sold when you were booking a spot, I used to use it to help me decide where to go. Hope it rained on the neds and they caught nothing.
Seriously? Wilderness adventures alongside an affable bloke with a brogue? I’m in. Subbed, liked, commenting to the gods of algorithms. Loch Lomond! In the upper school Men’s Glee Club, we had a 13 voice a cappella group, The Blaker’s Dozen, in which i sang. We did some barber shop, old standards, novelty tunes. We sang Loch Lomond. It was the one song difficult for me to sing as I would get choked up a bit. I stopped this video to go find a version. Found Ella Roberts. (Wow. Holy gorgeous.
Oops. Chubby thumb hit send by accident. I play Loch Lomond, now 57, on acoustic guitar combing it with a gospel song born in my late-mother’s garden, and ends with the lyrics: “If you call me home Lord before I’m done, we’ll watch the children finish what we’ve begun, when I’ve gone, into the setting sun.” Anyway, thanks for the memory and inspiration. 🙏🏽✌🏽💙 from Minnesota, USA
You did the right thing to move away. U don't know those people nor what they are capable of. I saw a similar situation but whith a lone female camper she moved off fast and returned to her car and went home. Fear kept her safe
This is why whenever I go camping, I go as far away and to the most inaccessible spot I can find… I’ve completely stopped trying to go to any campgrounds or places where other people can come and easily invade my space. I can get a bit territorial at times and wouldn’t hesitate to become confrontational… that being said, 5 against 1 aren’t odds I’d like to have stacked against me without some form of force multiplier.
idiots get everywhere, extremely rude n selfish. we've had this happen more than once. sadly some people's idea of camping is to get stoned n have a alright rave.
Wow. Where you were looks (to my northern Canada eyes) so open that you could camp anywhere, so that’s really rude. Where I’m from sometimes sharing a site, although uncomfortable, is the only reasonable thing to do. You always ask, though. For your entertainment I have some examples of weird backcountry rudeness 1. The parent volunteer for one of my school outdoor Ed trips (in bear country) who hung his fish catch next to (touching it actually) one of the tents. 2. The hammock camper on the Superior hiking trail- where you’re told you’ll have to share sites to avoid making new ones- who hung his hammock diagonally across the only remaining tent site, when he could have gone anywhere. We had to pitch our tents under him! That was pretty funny actually.
I had a permitted site in a national park in the US and that night at 11pm, an entire Boy Scout troop rolled into my reserved site. Itvwas meant for one tent, maybe 2 max. I didn't know how many there were until the morning. It was just headlamps shining into my tent and yelling. Daylight showed 8 tents!!! And most were pitched on protected vegetation. I left without even having breakfast.
It’s similar to when you’re the only car in the car park and you’re sat there eating your food. There’s an abundance of spaces available but this one inconsiderate pr*ck decides to come and park right next to you. Why? Why do they think this is okay when there’s so many other spaces?
That's just rude! There is clearly loads of space. And the rain! Lucky you made it out of there in one piece. It is a lovely area tho, pity some of that was ruined for you
@carpo719 mate, I appreciate the comment. I had a look at your channel. I must say if you were in the uk, still coffee and chat would be on the table. Seem like a good guy
Finally, I know that I wasn't wrong. Many years ago, I went to an outdoor concert & woke up in our tent with someone camped within about 5 feet of us at the most. I felt furious! It completely took away from our privacy. It was raining, too and I know the ground was soggy in spots, but thought they should at least look for a dry spot a little farther away. I don't remember saying anything at the time, but I sure wanted to. I have always wondered if I was being selfish. 🙂 Thanks for sharing your experience. So sorry you had to deal with that.
Looks like you should find a more secluded site. I bought a boat to go up rivers and it’s been awesome . More are getting that idea too now so I gotta go further away by jet boat now
Just skimming through the comments and no mention of a park ranger? Best to move on, but not wait if someone is stealing your property. I just don't get it. You camp to get away, not set up row homes in the woods
Im so glad you took the high ground ! Those guys were utter wankers but its not worth it to have had something even more horrible happen cos of a physical altercation. (Btw i think you coulda taken em on. Clearly you showed admirable restraint and mercy) All the love from me and my fam in colorado. We enjoy your videos so thoroughly. 😊❤
Is the underside of that tarp heat reflective? What a holes those guys were, I once tried to sleep on a beach and some lads were getting drunk and they only got louder so I made a quick exit and moved away.
When I was 'Adventuring/Exploring/Traveling' all over the Great South/NorthWest (U.S. of A.), I would specifically seek out UN-popular areas, because I did not want to hear, see, smell any other person around me. I was there for Nature. As an American and USMC Veteran, I was also always 'Open Carrying,' and the VERY few times 'Questionable People' came along, they never stayed. :-)
They'd have done to same thing, if they found you fishing a hot spot. I think this sort of thing happens everywhere, trying to get you to move to another spot. I'm pretty stubborn though...
You know those are the type of guys to "go fishing" then sit around a fire drinking cans of lager get up in the morning and then burn their broken camp chairs and carry out containers. They are the ones ruining access for the rest of us, they are the reason Loch lomond is so restricted.
I think some people just don’t understand camping etiquette and that you should never enter someone else’s camp if it was myself I would have asked if you minded me joining you if the answer is no move on
Fog ,rain . Ya unfortunately if I lived in the climate you do I would never even think outdoor activities are a good idea . Green fields need rain . You got 4 of them .
I live in Victoria, Australia and do a lot of deer hunting in our alpine region.
One year, I was hunting from a site where I'd pitched my 4x4 with its rooftop tent. I returned mid afternoon after a morning hunt that took me about 3km from my camp site, and found a group of guys had pitched on the same spot as me. They were the full bogan types too, sinking beers and blasting music obnoxiously at like 2:00pm.
They weren't too close or anything like that. In fact they were a good distance from my site. However, when I got to my 4x4, I immediately noticed boot prints that weren't mine around it, and that half a bag of firewood plus my good steel framed axe had disappeared. Guess where the prints led...
I sauntered over to them with my 308 rifle forward slung, stepped into their view and loudly said to them, "I understand you may have borrowed some of my kit, it's now time to return it".
After shitting their pants, they sheepishly returned my axe and now a quarter of a bag of firewood. With weak excuses about forgetting their own axe etc.
I went and packed up, then left. I wasn't going to chance any more issues. How's the cheek though, to flog my stuff thinking their numbers would dissuade me from confronting them.
They're like the weirdo who gets on the bus and sits next to you even though the whole rest of the bus is empty. I don't know what is wrong with some people, you sort of think people who enjoy camping like you have similar interests would have the same values and sensitivities but no!
I ALWAYS get the nutter on the bus. Every bloody time!
@@emtibAlucard it’s an honour to get the bus weirdo sitting beside you!
Bullies the lot of them
You are not alone.. So do I..@@swanseamale47
Exactly!!!!
I had the same thing happen to me, I was on a canoeing/fishing 3 day camping trip up a small creek in the middle of nowhere, just me and my french bulldog, I thought no one would ever be there as it was quite a paddle to get to and quite out of the way up a small side Creek.
During my trip to get there, I passed a boat with 8 adults and 6 kids having a rather loud party, they also had a couple of jet ski's and a rubber dinghy. As i continued my trip I noticed that I was being followed by them, but i didn't give it much care as I knew where I was going was going to be hard for them to get to in their large boat. I soon lost them around the shallow water bend in the creek entrance.
I got to my camp site and started setting up when I heard the jet ski's/ dinghy in the next creek along, which I presume they thought was the one i went down. I could hear them yelling "where did he go? Which I have to admit had me a little worried, but I continued to unpack my gear and set up camp.
I made lunch then decided to go further down the creek to fish, about a 20 minute paddle, the whole time still hearing the sounds of outboard motors. After about 30 minutes, I heard a jetski getting closer and thought this is getting really strange, then I see this guy on the jet ski see me then turned around straight away and take off, I had a bad feeling so started to paddle back to my campsite, as I get within sight of my camp I notice the jet ski's and dinghy on the shore, 5 tents had been set up there, a fire pit bbq going (which was my fire pit) and music blaring through speakers.
As I reached the bank they all just stared at me like I was an unwanted trespasser although the look on my face probably wasn't one of happiness at this point.
As I made my way up the embankment I noticed that my tent had been un-pegged and dragged to the edge off the camp-site, my fishing gear I left had been gone through with some missing and my esky had been gone through and my 3 tomahawk steaks, bacon, sausages, eggs, bread rolls and my 2 bottles of rum were gone, needless to say, I was not happy and started to make my way over to the group to confront them, as I approached I notice one of the older guys pick up a axe quite menacingly, by now their kids have also hopped into my canoe and started going through my stuff in there.
I could see my steaks/sausages cooking away on my fire pit grill along with their terrible sizzle steaks and cheap sausages, my half drunk rum bottles on their table with buttered bread rolls/salads ect among their food and drinks.
I said to the group as I approached why did they move my tent and steal my fishing gear/fire pit and food, to which one of the guys said they had to move my tent as it could have caught on fire from the BBQ pit, but denied going through or taking my stuff, to which I replied that it seems amazing that everything I'm missing you seem to have, to which the guy holding the axe told me I'd better leave as I'm making the women with them feel unsafe and he might have to do something about it, I decided it wasn't worth my life arguing with these low life thieves, so I decided to cut my losses and retreat to safety and some place that I could get phone reception to call the police.
As I was trying to pack my belongings into the canoe while getting drunken abuse hurled at me, I kept having to tell the kids to get out of my canoe, to which the parents told me I have no right to tell them what to do.
When I was packed two kids were refusing to get out so I pushed off with them in still in it, the adults started screaming and running for the jet ski's, but the kids quickly jumped out in waist deep water and walked to shore as I was pelted with abuse and rocks. Also one of the women in the group really liked my dog and kept calling her over, telling her she was a good dog and saying how I was cruel to take her camping and she was going to keep her and give her a better home, unfortunately for her she couldn't hang on to her as she struggled to get back to me.
The police said they went out there but couldn't find them or my stuff, but I doubt they did as I returned about 6 months later and found my fire pit still in the same place and my 2 broken fishing rods there minus the reels my empty rum bottles and all their garbage they just dumped.
I now take mace whenever I go camping alone.
So camping is not safe at all. Families behaving like this is messed up.
@abl1699 This isn't the only time I've had a bad camping experience caused by people who were over intoxicated but was definitely my worst. I've had a lot of good times camping with no problems at all and have generally felt safe.
Whoah! That is crazy! Thankfully these types of encounters can be rare but take care whenever camping alone! Thanks 👍
Crazy. I think a bear spray or a pistol wouldn't be overkill to have. And a mace and knife!
Man, mace? Bring along some pew pews if you live in the US, fu**rs will think it twice if they see you strapped
I once returned to my tent to find someone had erected theirs right next to mine, they even put their guy ropes inside my outer skin.
Luckily I snore pretty loudly and they left early the next day 😂
😮😮 that takes some balls. Some people don't think.
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The sound of a freight train when your trying to sleep IS the best revenge 😂
I can understand a couple of hikers pitching up next to you after struggling to find a pitch and being knackered, but a whole group like that is just taking the piss! People like that spoil it for all of us!
Km o😅
I can't
Camping spots within easy reach of big cities suffer from this kind of behaviour, sadly. Townie behaviour applied to open country.
not all townies behave like this. Just the ones whose idea of fun is partying and finding a free beer garden thinking everyone else is like them. World is getting small with the wrong people in it
I think you did the right thing. You are such a sweet heart so keep being you. A real man !!
Wish this world had more like you. 🎉🎉❤❤
That's the problem with this world, everyone trying to make everyone else a good little boy, but no one really knows what that means. We've lost a lot of our humanity to complacency and domestication. We are actually made weaker, dumber, and less independently viable because of it. Even the average human brain size has dramatically shrunk over the past 3 thousand years or so. Basically, we're turning ourselves into ants who like to play as being adventurers instead of having the competence to actually live our lives.
@@WR3ND exactly
This is the society we live in today, most with no manners, good call leaving.
Exactly same thing happened to me last week in a camping ground in Germany. I was the only one on the green, went out, came back and 2 large tents were build right before my nose. Family gathering. Before my tent there was a table with banks and people were sittingthere having dinner and a childrens riding hors. The whole place was empty, they did this purposefully. I took my tent and moved away and one of the guys said, I did not want to disturb you. (Yeah)...
Lol. Didn’t want to disturb you?! I would have asked him “oh really? Then why did you?” What a moron
I woke up early one morning to find a tent set up behind mine and a little kid trying to light a fire in-between our tents while his mum watched. So incredibly inconsiderate some people are.
If it's close enough to a road that you can hear a car door shut then it's not wild enough for me.
That’s my golden rule. Which I broke!
There is no road on that side of the loch.
Same😂
@@kirsteneasdale5707 There is. It's the only permit camping spot on Loch Long, just to the south of Ardgartan.
Bullies. You did exactly what they wanted you to do. Leave. But what other options do you have. With the beers and rowdy behavior, you'd of been in for a long night parked right next to that group. You're the better man for taking higher ground. I suspect karma takes care of people like that, with low grade living.
You can't say they didn't intimidate you when you literally dragged your tent away.
Can't say for sure what the motivation was setting up right next to you . But the dude said he camps in that spot all the time , he probably felt like you encroached on "his" spot.
@@stanleyhape8427 I'm not the guy that made the vid, so I'm not sure why you tagged this on my comment, but yeah it's pretty obvious why they set up right next to the guy, when there was the whole woods to camp
That’s totally out of order, you can tell it ruined your whole trip. You did the right thing moving away your mind would never settle. I think I’d have probably packed up and went stealth at 2 in the morning on a tent slashing mission but hey that’s me 😂 better luck in the future mate 💪🏻
I think I'd have a little fun myself. I think their car needed a new paint job @ 4am.
@@AceGoodheart definitely 😁
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Mmmm hmmmm.
In life choose your battles, better to turn the cheek an move on and live for another day, no need to fight they were wrong and all know it, you came out the man and winner.
He's a nonce this youtuber
A message from Australia, we stand with you mate 👍
I don't understand why people want to be like that. What can be gained by ruining a camp for someone you don't know?
@@sal50111 I go to the woods to be away from humans. I go to the pub to be with humans.
Politeness is essential out in the woods. Ask folks if you can join them. Never assume they want company.
@sal50111 So they demonstrate that they're assholes right off the bat, and your reaction is "These are the kind of guys I want to hang out with."?
@@rustyshackleford9557
How selfish is that
I know!
Truly pathetic.
He was right...can'ts!
I gave up camping at that spot years ago. Arseholes like that have left a dump of plastic, beer bottles, shitty toilet paper, and even used tampons, etc. Google Earth further south and explore through dense vegetation, there's some superb one-person pitches right on the water. Good luck on your future adventures
Thanks!
Influencers and trends sent sheit people out into nature.
Fuck camping right next to someone else anyway.
Eeek, intelligence is rare.
They likely meant no harm.
Folks come up and fish right next to me when there are miles of open shore.
I just ask them politely why they chose to fish right where I am.
I then 16:27 politely tell them that I have myo interest in their company and that they may take this spot but not to even think about taking my next.
You'd need a time machine and a condom for the parents of those types to fix the problem.
I'd have found the car and I'm sure I'd have had the last laugh!
😂😂😂😂😂
I bet you got a criminal record. It probably says you was convinced of being a piece of shit and ignorantly dangerous to yourself and others.
You see fool, they saw him the cops would ask if there was anybody around. And guess who they would say was around . In other words he would be the only suspect. Not to mention they all probably parked at the hotel .they have employees,
" whitenesses "
- wing mirrors, punctured tires X4
It is inconceivable how cras, selfish, ignorant and down right arrogant some folk are! They clearly have no clue at all about the sanctity of outdoor life and how important it is to let people just be and get on with their own thing.
I used to live in Kent and do a lot of open canoeing. One of my regular trips was just a day out along a short stretch of the Medway for a cuppa and watch the world go by for an hour or so, before heading home. One day, having found my preferred spot was clear and no fishermen or other users were there, I pulled the canoe out and set up my small day camp with my chair and stove etc. I settled in for some lunch and tea and was watching the Kingfishers darting up and down. Along the footpath about twenty mins in, a double family of two large muscular dads and heavily made up mums and four small kids in swimming kit arrived and dumped two huge back packs which had inflatable paddle boards, two large cool bags full of picnic stuff and a huge blanket. They set all this up actually touching the small piece of tarp I had under my own chair! They then stood there looming intimidatingly with the two mums not speaking but staring at their iPhones. It turned out from listening to the kids and dads that they were Russian.
Then one of the dads approached me standing on my tarp and said, "How long you gonna stay?"
I was utterly gobsmacked at these utterly rude sods!
I told him as long as it took me to cook lunch, eat it and then drink a pot of tea and decide how long I wanted to stay. He looked really pissed off and just stood staring at me. I asked him to get off my tarp and stand away. He did, but the other guy looked really nasty. Anyway, just to piss them off, I just carried on. After about another twenty minutes of it getting really annoying, I decided they were never going to back down; by this time they had inflated the two paddle boards and were already looking at trying to move my canoe to use the same bit of bank to launch. So, I made angry noises and said I couldn't believe how rude they were and packed up and buggered off. It was really incredible and I was so angry but had no way to get rid of them. I never saw them again and I felt they may have driven from out of town and walked a fair way from their car to the spot. At which point, they just asserted themselves by intimidating me and invading my chosen spot. Clearly invading other people's space is a Russian trait! 🤬
Really sorry that happened to you, pal. Some people think the world revolves around themselves. Can see it rattled you a bit, and it would me even more! You handled it perfectly and set a good example in face of a terrible one when it would've been easy to stoop to their level 👍
Thanks!
That's the reason I stopped camping at loch lomond just full of a holes now
apparently the area is suffering a big litter problem now from these
This happened to me and my husband. We had a fire on the beach, having lunch and 6 cars show up RIGHT NEXT TO US, like, 1 car width away and out pops 22 people! They were city folks and they were so loud. They had the entire coastline to choose from. They’re were barely any people on the beach that day. We packed up and left but I was effing livid!
Due to CZcams influencers no offense , so many aholes are going to the same places so they get swamped by aholes and spoil it for those who wish these places to remain secret so to speak.
Influencers don't go into the real woods, they find a background
Just started to watch you on the tv. Had come on my phone to leave a comment. Omg , I didn't know whether to laugh or cry 😭. I would have cried, to be honest . Don't people drive you insane 🤦😒. I'm watching little sparta. now . Love Scotland ❤️ 😍.
I live in Australia mate, nobody invades your space normally, but if they do light a big fu*&king fire with lots of smoke that blows their way and they should move on 😂😂
Invaded his space ? Lmfao nah he is a shitebag and his arse dropped when a POPULAR tourist place had tourists….. big shocker that one
They don’t invade your place but play loud music on speaker and get drunk on beers….
They where tough lads . You did the right thing. Too many of them . Odds were against you. If there was only 2 of them, no problem. You could have told them to piss off. Good video mate. Keep it up👍
G'day, from NZ, our forests are vast, and we don't have these problems (except in the high tourist areas), but having said that, one time I was in a very remote area and was surprised to find that when I awoke in the morning, there was a tent pitched about 5 metres from me. there was plenty of places to pitch (it was by a river) but they decided that my place was the better one. I was out for 4 days, and this person was the only person I was to see. It does spoil the remote feeling, but this is very rare. Anyway, that's my little story on that subject. Enjoyed the video ATB Cheers from the mountains of NZ ☺☺
Cheers! Yeah thankfully it is quite rare 👍
The person might of felt lonely or scared alone at night. People need to be less hard hearted and caring for others but if the holy spirit gives concernment and you see this person to be aggressive , drunkard or too quite then by all means just get away for your own protection and peace of mind... Light and Love ✝️🕊️
Satanic CZcams removed my comment that 1out of ten get seen.
There A1 is destroying them 😂 , it's totally misguided there market to destruction... Praise Lord Jesus ! 🙏
There owners Zionist are finally on there way out as multipolar world allies are ensuring and soon CZcams will be gone for ever, even if it's through WW iii, our prayers world wide are being answered 🙏✝️.
HALLELUYAH
@@George-gg1ny If they were lonely, then they would not have been in such a remote place. Sometimes it's just bloody-mindedness. Strive for the light.
Good call moving. A night next to the trackie bottom brigade would be horrible. Out of order what they did. I done a bike packing trip last week well away from there had a 81mile ride home after climbing over rest and be thankful I emerged at Lomond looking for easy relaxing mostly flat ride home after that. Nothing but mess and a holes unloading camping gear right out their cars/campers. It's a no go zone for any true campers now.
Same thing happened to me in the Cairngornns over one New Year. Already pitched in the snow sheltered behind a bank with my wife. Two winter walkers rocked up and pitched 8 metres away. In a 6 square kilometre valley. I asked if they were pitching there and the reply was "good a place as any". Went hoping for solitude and ended up listening to their route planning conversation all evening.
Man, that sucked, i had people try to pitch or pitch their tents way too close to mine a few times as well. A lot of people don't respect others privacy and space.
I've had a similar experience in Ontario, Canada. My group had set up camp close by the water of the campsite, so our shelters were not easily visible upon entering the campsite, however we made sure to leave our water filtration, chairs, and other things in the main camp area so people knew we were there. A family comes and "claims" the site. I tell them we are literally camped down by the water which they could easily have seen where we were at. They refused to leave the site as we weren't camped in an obvious spot. It doesn't matter where we were, we were part of that campsite. I told them they can pitch their tents on our site if they want but they'll have to shit in the same hole as us, eat at the same table as us, share the same food locker, and walk through the same areas as us if they were to stay. They left afterwards after realizing their entitlement would inconvenience them and ruin their trip.
I've also had experiences where I've gladly helped fellow Hikers set up camp at our site if it was raining and sun was setting and they've asked respectfully.
An entire forest to camp in, and they have to be right next to you! Happens on buses, parking lots, libraries UGH give people space
And in the gym where people want to get on the machine right next to you when there’s a row of 10 lol
Right question. Doesn't they want some privacy too?
How those people feel comfortable attached to another ones tent is a mystery for me.
That is the attitude of today, they did the wrong thing and you did the right thing, and I guarantee if you had a mate or two along with you they wouldn.t have acted like that, loch lomond is a magnet for these types.
"WET WET WET!" Looks like a total washout. Unfortunate that the other group chose to "invade" your space with so much free space available. But at least you had a nice chicken curry for dinner! 😎
Flipping heck! I forgot all about Marti Pellow and Wet, wet, wet !😅🤓
It's common decency, to move further along if you see someone has already pitched up, what a bunch of pricks. Good video mate.
Yes, it was Extremeky Rude, Very Poor of them guys to set up camp next to you. I am a solo camper also. I would have left too. I go out to enjoy nature. Not other people.
Love the thought of lying in a hammock listening to the rain. Blissy.
'Aw its you...Ye awrite ayee?, awrite 👍'😂 i love being scottish, made me.chuckle 😂
Some people, unbelievable! Once I had a person put their towel on my feet on the beach...it wasn't that crowded.
Camping use to be good back in days . And then we had more campers and litters , the place became a mess . And then they decided to control and make money out of the lot , creating those camp sides full of idiots , and you had to pay . Best advice next time , don’t pay , walk a little further of the bam and enjoy your evening . Scotland outdoor is fantastic a little bit further is awesome . Go further , free , no rubbish , no idiots .
What i love about that stretch of water is the birds tell you when its time to get up and fish,obviously i feel for you buddy not nice at all
14:00. That was heartfelt 😂😂😂
I live in Ireland and my experience here is that groups of scumbags are lazy so they will always camp somewhere near a place they can park their car(s). For that reason, I have a policy of camping in places that are a good hike away from the nearest road.
So many people are rude, don't care, and don't give a shite. Be careful.
New subscriber here. Never mind them. Think about how amazing you are that you de-escalated and dealt with the situation. Unhurt. You had a great camp and learnt something. And made a quality video. That’s a Win if you ask me 👍
It all depends on the situation...You arrive late, there's no place... You find a spot and ask nicely if they mind that you pitch your tent and don't make noise and go to bed.... that's fine by me. But a group like this with this situation.... kinda rude
How very rude of those guys! Behaviour says a lot about people.
My wife and I were camping up in the Rocky Mountains and two guys came into camp and started to get aggressive until they realized I had a pistol in my belt under my shirt then they left
We don’t use guns I’m afraid
A real pain. I'm sorry to hear that.I would have felt exactly the same as you. Spoils the experience many of us hope for. If people want a fenced in campsite with toilets etc then they are available. but these guys wouldn't have gotten away with a rowdy night due to people pressure and they would have been outnumbered. Rain doesn't help it has to be said. Or midges...
That is really suspicious of them. Glad you got out. So weird and could of gotten bad!
I go with a little rule for myself. If you can park at the spot it ain’t worth the bother. Put in a little graft walk a hour or so gets you away from the park & piss it up crews. Well done for keeping the head tho mate that must have took some will power 👍
Exactly!
Pity that happened. Too common on Loch Long and Loch Lomond, even with the restrictions. Hard men in a group but probably fannies alone.
Duck Bay? Do they still have a nightclub? Worked there in the 90s when I lived in the Vale.😂😂😂
I’m not sure about Duck Bay 😂
@@undertheweather6315😂
This is how the first tribes of humans lived.
Fight or flight or join
Nah back in the old world they still had fear. No bullies, only dead people.
That looks like a beautiful place
What a drag having to set up a second time in the rain. Those nimrods seem like the type who would be noisy all night and be peeing in the stream above where you get your water.
There seems to be a lot of asses camping out now. They have no respect for the countryside or other people. I try to get right away from folk now. I just can't be bothered with the scruffs anymore. All booze and messing it up for the rest of us. If its on Loch Lomond, they need a permit. Maybe it's time to put the prices up and take registrations.
Sorry that happened to you dude; there are good spots further south outside the permit zone at Dail, All't a Guanan outflow and Mark bothy. You used to be able to see if any other permits had been sold when you were booking a spot, I used to use it to help me decide where to go.
Hope it rained on the neds and they caught nothing.
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@@OldStag72 that's the difference between blogers and real people
Seriously? Wilderness adventures alongside an affable bloke with a brogue?
I’m in.
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Loch Lomond! In the upper school Men’s Glee Club, we had a 13 voice a cappella group, The Blaker’s Dozen, in which i sang. We did some barber shop, old standards, novelty tunes. We sang Loch Lomond.
It was the one song difficult for me to sing as I would get choked up a bit.
I stopped this video to go find a version. Found Ella Roberts. (Wow. Holy gorgeous.
Oops. Chubby thumb hit send by accident.
I play Loch Lomond, now 57, on acoustic guitar combing it with a gospel song born in my late-mother’s garden, and ends with the lyrics: “If you call me home Lord before I’m done, we’ll watch the children finish what we’ve begun, when I’ve gone, into the setting sun.”
Anyway, thanks for the memory and inspiration.
🙏🏽✌🏽💙 from Minnesota, USA
Who does that ?...... that's just so weird
Bad people do that.
They can because no one ends them.
Is this a Limmy sketch?
You did the right thing to move away. U don't know those people nor what they are capable of. I saw a similar situation but whith a lone female camper she moved off fast and returned to her car and went home. Fear kept her safe
This is why i tend to only go into remote roadless areas where this isnt an issue.
This is why whenever I go camping, I go as far away and to the most inaccessible spot I can find… I’ve completely stopped trying to go to any campgrounds or places where other people can come and easily invade my space. I can get a bit territorial at times and wouldn’t hesitate to become confrontational… that being said, 5 against 1 aren’t odds I’d like to have stacked against me without some form of force multiplier.
idiots get everywhere, extremely rude n selfish. we've had this happen more than once. sadly some people's idea of camping is to get stoned n have a alright rave.
Wow. Where you were looks (to my northern Canada eyes) so open that you could camp anywhere, so that’s really rude. Where I’m from sometimes sharing a site, although uncomfortable, is the only reasonable thing to do. You always ask, though. For your entertainment I have some examples of weird backcountry rudeness 1. The parent volunteer for one of my school outdoor Ed trips (in bear country) who hung his fish catch next to (touching it actually) one of the tents. 2. The hammock camper on the Superior hiking trail- where you’re told you’ll have to share sites to avoid making new ones- who hung his hammock diagonally across the only remaining tent site, when he could have gone anywhere. We had to pitch our tents under him! That was pretty funny actually.
I had a permitted site in a national park in the US and that night at 11pm, an entire Boy Scout troop rolled into my reserved site. Itvwas meant for one tent, maybe 2 max. I didn't know how many there were until the morning. It was just headlamps shining into my tent and yelling. Daylight showed 8 tents!!! And most were pitched on protected vegetation. I left without even having breakfast.
It’s similar to when you’re the only car in the car park and you’re sat there eating your food. There’s an abundance of spaces available but this one inconsiderate pr*ck decides to come and park right next to you. Why? Why do they think this is okay when there’s so many other spaces?
Never camp where you could hear the closing of a car door.
Beautiful place ❤❤ great choice moving and not letting those guys ruin it for you.
Coddiwompling is the way to go. I rarely make a plan. Just head off away from the masses. I only camp at Loch Lomond in autumn/winter
That's just rude! There is clearly loads of space. And the rain! Lucky you made it out of there in one piece. It is a lovely area tho, pity some of that was ruined for you
When I go camping I go to get away from people! If I wanna be next to someone I’d just say home.
All the room in the woods and they have to park up right next to you. So rude!!
looked a lovely spot … almost too good to be true …
did you not ask them for their wild camping pass … it’s illegal to camp there without one …
No point in getting a kicking
Wild camping pass😂
You backpacked to a spot that is accessible by car just a few feet away?
This is why i stopped it few years back
Stop what, camping? Don't give up that easy
@carpo719 mate, I appreciate the comment. I had a look at your channel. I must say if you were in the uk, still coffee and chat would be on the table. Seem like a good guy
Sadly it's all to often. People with no sense. Leave no trace. Stop ruining it for the rest of us.
Finally, I know that I wasn't wrong. Many years ago, I went to an outdoor concert & woke up in our tent with someone camped within about 5 feet of us at the most. I felt furious! It completely took away from our privacy. It was raining, too and I know the ground was soggy in spots, but thought they should at least look for a dry spot a little farther away. I don't remember saying anything at the time, but I sure wanted to. I have always wondered if I was being selfish. 🙂 Thanks for sharing your experience. So sorry you had to deal with that.
Looks like you should find a more secluded site.
I bought a boat to go up rivers and it’s been awesome .
More are getting that idea too now so I gotta go further away by jet boat now
Unbelievable! Good move relocating
Just skimming through the comments and no mention of a park ranger? Best to move on, but not wait if someone is stealing your property. I just don't get it. You camp to get away, not set up row homes in the woods
This is one of the reasons why I hate designated Camp spots
No way man they think they own the joint 😡.but I done the right thing no getting in a punching match xx
Those guys blessed you dude. Gave you great exposure for your channel! I look forward to thw next one
Im so glad you took the high ground ! Those guys were utter wankers but its not worth it to have had something even more horrible happen cos of a physical altercation.
(Btw i think you coulda taken em on. Clearly you showed admirable restraint and mercy)
All the love from me and my fam in colorado. We enjoy your videos so thoroughly. 😊❤
Is the underside of that tarp heat reflective?
What a holes those guys were, I once tried to sleep on a beach and some lads were getting drunk and they only got louder so I made a quick exit and moved away.
When I was 'Adventuring/Exploring/Traveling' all over the Great South/NorthWest (U.S. of A.), I would specifically seek out UN-popular areas, because I did not want to hear, see, smell any other person around me. I was there for Nature.
As an American and USMC Veteran, I was also always 'Open Carrying,' and the VERY few times 'Questionable People' came along, they never stayed.
:-)
They'd have done to same thing, if they found you fishing a hot spot. I think this sort of thing happens everywhere, trying to get you to move to another spot. I'm pretty stubborn though...
You know those are the type of guys to "go fishing" then sit around a fire drinking cans of lager get up in the morning and then burn their broken camp chairs and carry out containers. They are the ones ruining access for the rest of us, they are the reason Loch lomond is so restricted.
Bit like the weirdo that sits right behind you in an empty cinema. I don't get it. People camp to be away from others not on top of them.
I think some people just don’t understand camping etiquette and that you should never enter someone else’s camp if it was myself I would have asked if you minded me joining you if the answer is no move on
We always bring our very large livestock guardian dogs camping with us. No bears no people aloud in our camp.
Was you in the Midges area, "The Cleggues are coming"😅😂
this is what is ruining parks for those of us who have always enjoyed them. its a shame too that they cant be controlled. so sorry for that experience
If you could hear a car door shut you should have hiked further.
Fog ,rain . Ya unfortunately if I lived in the climate you do I would never even think outdoor activities are a good idea . Green fields need rain . You got 4 of them .
Poor you set up and they come and ruin it not good felt sorry for you
Thanks for sharing looks like a nice place
The loch is so scenic and seems so peaceful. I hope that you were able to relax🏕🏞
Aww man i wish you had some buddies there , itd been some time since i been in a backwoods brawl lol