Absolutely Amanda. The ones who came in with tough-guy attitudes were usually the first to go. All the nerds made it...the ones who didn't even have to shave yet (basic wasn't co-ed when I went through it).
There was one private who lost it on the first day, he just started crying his eyes out during the smoke session/Welcome on our first day of Basic. He just couldn't handle it. They cut him some slack, just gave him cleaning duties for a few days and sent him on his way.
That's really depressing. I don't want to put him down, but... Damn. I think BT is something someone like that really needs in life. But I'm not a mental health expert, so I don't know.
I'm going home, I'm not quitting per say but the military life isn't for me and not good for my mental health, I've had so many mental breakdowns I've lost count, days where i can't sleep, days where i don't even eat at chow time, my Drill Sergeant, the docs at Behavioral Health, and even my battle buddies from basic all agree that it's best for me to go home and back to college, I am diasgonis with depression and anxiety and I'm going home from AIT with a medical discharge due to mental health, I do salute and will pray for those who made it and hope you keep this college student safe.
Smart decision. It's hard to change direction once you commit but I think people like you are mentally tough. Most people prefer to lie to themselves or get influenced by peer pressure to continue something they're not passionate about. I hope you're doing well in school and picked a good major.
My buddy fell off eagle tower at the end of basic. Broke his back in 2 places and was told he shouldn't be walking anymore. They gave him a medical discharge.
Not true. I was a hold over because I missed my sit-ups by 2 to pass my APFT. We were treated better than the new recruits. Because basically we did graduated. My and 7 others. They even had us toss their bunks over when they found someone's wall locker that was unsecured. They actually talk to us normal. We even did funeral details too when we weren't doing anything while we still waited for the new class to start and take the PT test with them. I did 11 funerals in our class A's while being a hold over. Me and the other 7 we did both 21 gun solute, folding the flag and I was the present man who gives the folded flag to our DS which who then gives that to the family. I have to say I did something many people didn't get to do while being an hold over.
Seriously, I would rather go thru another 6-8 weeks of basic training than go thru the experience of getting fired from a job I really liked, when I never even saw it coming. That several minutes of getting fired and having your livelihood yanked out from under you is far worse than an entire basic training course! What that does to you is truly indescribable!
Hell, being in federal prison for 20 months (or any time longer then that) is WAY worse than BCT/AIT/OSUT. I went through all of my 12B OSUT and I basically quit - I was in prison for 20 months and I've worked out and as soon as I am off of supervised release I WILL re-enlist. I will see how that goes when I get there. Note: I was discharged honorably - the incarceration happened roughly 4 years after my discharge.
Same here, I got fired from my first job because of something I didn’t do, I thought the company had my back because they ran an investigation and cleared me of all fault yet they still fired me, really hurt a lot because I enjoyed that job so much, even though the pay was downright minimum wage (I think it should’ve been at least $10/hour)
The important thing to remember is that serving in the Armed Forces is public record. Anyone can submit the freedom of information act request and the DoD will release only specific info regarding your service records (start date, end date, branch of service, deployments, combat service w/ locations, medals received, rank and characterization of service (honorable, dishonorable, etc). So remember your service is public record and can show up on background checks. Trainees receive uncharacterized because you never actually made it to your unit. This is not an honorable discharge. The VA will not consider you a veteran until you serve 180 of Active service After training. So you have to complete training and serve 6 months Active to get VA healthcare. To get GI Bill you Must receive Honorable. General under honorable conditions will not count. Had a trainee drop out on my campus tried to apply for gibill and we were like "dude... You failed training. There's no gibill for you". It's like no one reads the contract they sign
I went to Fort Jackson we had a lot of people quit in basic and there were back home within 3 to 4 weeks of quitting they were gone long before the platoon graduated.
I cut myself....... they let me go home. I got home and it turned out I have schizophrenia... so maybe it’s for the best? I still wish I could graduate but obviously I can’t do that. Heads up for those who join don’t fucking quit it will follow you for the rest of your life
When I was at basic training I cut myself and over dose on my meds.. I didn't try to kill myself I was just in a bad place. Stuff I found out back home that really affected me DON'T DO THIS. it will really follow you the rest of your life. And also I didn't get a dishonorable discharge you get chapter out under honorable conditions so I was ok and so was everyone else who went a little crazy..
"Hold Over" is mainly about those who couldn't graduate with their class because they failed a course or failed APFT and have to repeat it to pass. Same goes with medical reasons too. Its basically holding there until they pass whatever they failed at and once pass they can move onto their AIT. They are not quiters. At least most of the hold overs are not. And I admit I was one of those hold overs. I went into basic in 2003. The ONLY thing stop me from graduating with my class was my sit-ups. Passed everything. So our DS had us stay in the small room which is the DS room and had to wait till the new class did their first APFT. Once they did theirs we did ours with them. So I finally passed and again had to wait for the next class to graduate and go with the next class to AIT. That was a week away after I pass my PT test. I didn't quit. So basically when I finally graduated from AIT I was a class behind. But that's okay. Nobody's perfect. And I pushed myself to my limits to make sure I graduate AIT on time unlike my basic training one. That's my story on why you don't quit. You push yourself more and work on what you need to work on you won't have any trouble. So what I was a class behind, I graduated.
You're not getting a dishonorable discharge while in basic, it's only an entry level separation. The worse that can happen is that you wound be able to join the military ever again.
Hey Angel Guzman is there any possibility that u can quit aftr your graduation and before going to the tech school? Can a cadet volunteerly opt out aftr graduation by paying a penalty? Plz do reply
Luke Cole I just refused to train at WTRP, now I’m waiting (for like two days) to be sent back to my company and they’ll probably separate me from there.
When I was at Fort Benning, we had one guy who quit but had a legitimate reason for it. His mom was dying from cancer and a bunch of different illnesses and our CO allowed him to call his mom every other day, and then he refused to train. He told me he was given a failure to adapt and about a year later was able to re-enlist due to his reasoning of leaving. Its crazy that some people try to end their life at basic training, I couldn't imagine doing something like that.
Shootemup89 Your videos are very informative. Thanks alot for the content. It really cleared up many concerns I have about the military. I plan on enlisting after I graduate and I have absolutely no intention of quitting basic.
I never knew any of the things you outlined in this video, only that if you TDP, you're in for a less-than-honorable discharge. But as I said under another of your videos, I repeat here: I wanted to quit so bad I could taste it, just 3 weeks in. If not for strong family opposition, I WOULD have quit. But I am SO glad I stayed in, was forced to stick it out, and finished my 13 weeks of OSUT. That whole experience changed me forever. Some of my better character traits can be traced back to the disciplines forced upon me during that unpleasant time. It built character and resilience. I'm now in my fifties, and I'm still organized, self-disciplined, keep a clean home, and 'move with a purpose' when I set out to do something. And I have plenty of interesting stories to tell my two boys. I would have NONE of that today, and nothing but bad memories, if I had instead quit!
I did Infantry basic (OSUT) eight years ago. I ended up getting a stress-fracture on my pelvis that started at around week 5-6. They put me on crutches and eventually sent me home for 30 days to heal. When I got back to Benning, my class was almost ready to graduate. Once they did, I got sent to hold-over, for about a month, while I did rehab. Eventually, I joined a new company, who were at week 4 already. Long story short, it was a six month ordeal to finally get my blue cord. I was treated fine as a hold-over, but it’s like purgatory. There’s not much to do, so the days crawled by. That month felt like three months. Long story short: keep your head up; it’s absolute hell at times, but the misery does end eventually. Definitely don’t quit, no matter what.
I got injured in Navy boot camp on day one. Toughed it out for a month but got sent to the doctor and they discharged me. Seems Army is more willing to keep guys no matter what; Navy wants to kick them out for any reason.
@@RoundenBrown It’s not that; it’s because A pelvic stress fracture is a common injury that heals on its own. I did see a few guys get kicked out for other injuries and health issues.
laundry detergent is basic and a detergent. It is basically both water and fat soluble, so if you drink it, it will pretty much disolve the cells of your esophagus, larynx, stomach, and lungs. It's a very painful and inefficient way to commit suicide. Alkaline burns are often worse than acid burns because they don't tend to crust the way acid burns do, instead they cause unprotected flesh to slough off in a watery goo. It's quite horrifying.
The hardest part is getting injured early in training, couldnt do any training while i was injured pretty much destroyed my moral, eventually i went into 3 week without training, so i just took the medical separation.
Some folks just aren’t cut out for the military, but it’s nothing to be ashamed of. Just go be successful somewhere else. I’m an honorably discharged Army vet by the way and I’m glad I served.
Hi Matt, I appreciate all your videos and I’ve been watching your videos for a few months.Unfortunately, my daughter called me yesterday stating she has fractures in her ankles and knees. I’d like to learn more about the process when this happens. She was on her last day of white phase (B12 EN BN). We trust the process and we give God the Glory!
I got injured near the end of the BCT stage at OSUT. Had a hip fracture, then surgery. Went on con-leave and came back to my original company which was now in the AIT phase, I made up all the events I missed and was able to graduate with my original company. I was catching up literally every day but I made it. 3 years later I got reinjured and went through a med-board. All in all, i'm glad I went through everything I did.
I'm in essentially the same situation (aside from surgery). Should I just roll back up to my old Troop and let them know I'm back? How does returning from convalescent leave work?
@@somethingsomethingusername802 i should probably have checked this sooner. Lol but yeah, you basically return to your original company and return to duty while they figure out the best course of action from that point forward. Depending on what phase you're in, they may go for a recycle or maybe they'll be super chill and let you make up everything you missed. Some of the other trainees may not like you for going on con leave, just a warning.
Just graduated OSUT on Friday from Ft Benning. I'll add something to this it's what our First Sergeant told us on day zero at BCT. The fastest way out of BCT is to graduate. It's not that bad guys. To anyone going to training soon, just remember each day why you joined and it will get you through!
It's not that bad, it's the other 4 years in active duty that recruits have hovering over their head they want to avoid. Most people quitting would easily finish BCT if it meant going home for good.
When I was at reception in 2005 in Fort Sill, the cadre there was PHENOMENAL. Due to the circumstances and amount of trainees they had, there was a long wait for companies and batteries to go into basic training. So, a lot of guys got disheartened and unmotivated. A lot wanted to quit simply because they got tired of waiting or started having second thoughts. I don't know the stats off hand, but I remember only ever seeing about 3 out of several hundred guys who were quiters so to speak. The cadre made every effort they could to mentor the guys who were considering giving up and were able to talk a lot of guys into staying. Sometimes quitting on the people who are giving up is just detrimental on the Army as the people quitting themselves. Really outstanding Commanders and Drill Sergeants.
I was at Sill 15 months thanks to an ankle injury halfway through white phase... Physical therapy, surgery, recovery, more therapy, walk-to-run, and had to recycle to the beginning. Still think it's funny how, when I recycled, I pretty much fried my DSs' brains in confusion when they saw I had TA-50 on Day 0. Despite how long the recovery was for my ankle, I still got one of the fastest run times on that PT test. I actually got so used to the environment, some DSs got extra heated when I wasn't the slightest bit intimidated by them because I had gotten so used to it.
One thing I want known is I never lost love or desire for the Army, I wore the uniform with immense pride and dignity. There isn’t a day that go’s by I don’t think about all that time spent there, believing in something and then losing it all, but mostly losing my own mental state. I tell people who have asked me that I’m not a soldier, and I’m not a veteran, but I was in the Army. I didn’t quit because I was a quitter, I left because it was the absolute best decision for me, and my future family. Sometimes being a man is looking in the mirror and seeing your true self, your own truth of what IS RIGHT. No one can take that power from you.
Been a few years ago, but after I graduated BCT at Benning, I arrived at my AIT in Leonard Wood early and stayed at their reception for two weeks. Not as bad as 30th AG, but still not the best. There was a holdover there who had been there for over a year due to him lying about his criminal record. No idea how long he was there after I left.
Damn I leave in a couple days to Fort Jackson. I'm pumped I can't wait to do this. Wish I had more time to get fit. I only had a month and worked full time late night hours.
I quit basic for several reasons, im not gonna get into why, but here is how it played out for me: I ended up trying to refuse to train, and my drill sergeants first told me it didn’t exist. I kept asking because I knew it did exist, but they didn’t have it until around white phase where my senior drill sergeant just called me to his office and told me he knows I’m trying to get out of here and that it’s a process and I just gotta be patient. He helped me out with that whole process. I had another situation going on while this was happening where I was on profile. I was told I couldnt leave until i was RTD (returned to duty), which took around 7-8 weeks total. Then after I was RTD, I got sent back to reception a week after that at the return home company, and then I stayed there for a week until I came back. Ive been home for a little over a week now. Honestly my pride took a huge hit. I’m ashamed of the way I acted sometimes during bct, but overall I don’t regret it. Definitely wasn’t for me and I came into everything with the wrong mindset, expectations, and extremely little information due to lack of effort/research. A part of me wants to reenlist after 6 months because I’m not barred from the military but I really don’t know. I know I will hate it but I want to prove I can do it because in all honesty it wasnt that bad to begin with and it gets way easier. It’s just that I really don’t want to be in the army
I was advised by a recruiter to apply for an Army ROTC scholarship. I spent a few weeks at ROTC basic and finished well enough to be offered a full-time university scholarship. Military Science was basically like a minor discipline. ROTC activities were alot of fun and I made lifelong friends. I was commissioned as a reserve officer immediately upon graduation with a three year active duty commitment followed by a five year reserve duty. I'd highly recommend that route.
I love your channel and videos man, keep up the great work. I'm hoping to join national guard as soon as a turn 17, and your videos will help a lot for the future
I sprained my ankle pretty bad in bootcamp and was placed on light duty for a few days. When they took the bandages off, my ankle was still swollen and hurt like hell, but the absolutely fear of being recycled made me gut it out. I kept quiet about it and was miserable for the remainder of my training. I think my DIs knew what was up, but they couldn't really do anything because I was completing the training and I didn't complain. About mid-way through training, we picked up a recruit who was recycled from an earlier platoon. He had the misfortune of developing appendicitis during training and told me how miserable it was waiting to be assigned to another platoon while he healed. Wasn't about to let that happen to me no matter what. Bottomline, you want to get off the island? You complete your training and graduate.
In 1981, when I was in, a guy married one day before shipping out. He went nuts and walked to the CO s office and said he was gay, and apologized for not being honest. The commander replied, "Son I don't believe you!! But, if you really want out bad enough to make up a story like that I'll let you out, now." He signed him out that day, and he grabbed his gear and told us about it and left.
I have a few interjections, I was medically discharged due to fracturing my hip, I could hardly walk and I was sent home with out the choice to return. The second is no discharge weather it’s dishonorable, medical, or a FTA is on your record if you have less than 180 days of active duty. While at basic this days do count towards active duty days so if you are there that long then it would go on your record. I was there for about 130-140 days in total and my medical discharge is not on my record. Good video keep it up.
I went into the military with very little cartilage in both of my knees (I lied at MEPS and didn’t say anything at Reception). I managed to get micro tears in both my outer meniscus and inner meniscus in my knees. I made it worse by refusing to go to sick call. It got to the point where I could only walk straight legged and couldn’t physically run. My Senior Drill Sergeant repeatedly told me to go to sick call to get checked out and I refused. Eventually he told me I didn’t have a choice and it was only getting worse so I agreed to go. When the ran all of their tests they discovered I had damn near no cartilage and had micro tears (+ Patela fomoral sybdrome and IT band Syndrome).
The thing that set me over the edge was the lack of information and having no one. My battle buddy’s were told to hate me by our drill sergeants for being to weak. I understand why the did what they did, they couldn’t allow others to try to use their injuries as an excuse, they were right for it in their own way. It took it’s toll anyway, left me in a very dark, lonely place. I would go and hide in my locker while they cleaned weapons or cleaned their lockers. It was the one place no one could touch me, but of course I was still trapped. I’m not going to go into grave detail about my experience but I realized being an athletic or combative person didn’t actually matter that much there. It helped in training but everyone gets broken down. Unfortunately for me I wasn’t being built back up, and I was just knocking myself down more, and more.
Hey man I’m really sad this happened to you and I’m happy to see you still around telling your stories! Did you end up quitting or did you complete it anyway? Have a good day man!
@@Nohandlefortoday Quitting? Yes and no, my Company Commander was actually very helpful. Once it was obvious I wasn’t trying to waste their time, and was truly struggling mentally they helped me get home, they didn’t give me a negative discharge, and I am aloud to rejoin, even get back my same MOS. I’m rehabing my knees and taking hand to hand combat. Once my knees are as close to 100% as they can be I’ll rejoin, I am almost glad I got to experience everything and come back stronger
Hi Matt, my grandson went through basic at Ft Benning . while he was there he fractured an ankle and was worried about being reverted during his training. he was very upset about it and he did call me to talk about it. i told him when i went through boot camp in 1963 ( USCG ) i told him we had guys who were injured and were reverted but they made it through and graduated and went on to their first units. he came home here for two weeks for rest and when he went back to Ft Benning and his Sgt and Company Commander talked to him he was just fine. he is now at Ft Campbell and doing great. he also told his mother he didn't want to disapoint me i love that young man he has realy grown into a mature young man.
Hes talking about people attempting it, and I can completely back him up on it, the amount of times ive heard of these kids now a days killing themselves in basic is crazy especally because of how often it happens
You won’t get a dishonorable if you just quit you will get a chapter 11 and have to wait 6 months before you re-enlist. so yeah they say you will be their over a year but in all reality the longest you stay is 3 months.
I separated my clavicle doing the foreman's cary in combat medic training, I did CQ duty for the remaining 6 weeks and got recycled to a new unit to finish basic training.
After growing up in Watts with the guys who started the bloods and trying not to let the crips and Cholos try to beat or kill me basic training was the beginning of the best time in my damn life!!!!! Basic training saved my life.
The whole idea of being held somewhere against your will without having committed any crime is very disturbing! Are the facilities like a maximum security prison?!?! Couldn't you just grab your stuff, walk out the gate and catch a bus home? Do you get arrested? Locked up in jail? I don't understand, especially if the person is suffering mental distress, holding them in that environment may push them over the brink, or at the very least cause PTSD which may affect them the rest of their life..
I highly doubt they will let you join if you have a mental illness or ptsd. Theres things that will disqualify you from joining thats what the meps process is for. To weed out those who have things that disqualify them cuz they want to make sure they are physically amd mentally prepared for basic.
You sign your constitutional rights away when you join and are now subscribed to the UCMJ uniform code of military justice. The UCMJ can and will hold you against your will, simply because people would walk away from combat zones or desert during wartime. Cant have that. You leave on your own will you're considered AWOL. You'll basically have an active warrant for pickup. Dont sign the dotted line if you dont want to do the time. Basic training is not army tryouts.
@@tanyaguido4375 no, I meant after you are in, and discover basic training isn't for you, forcing you to stay against your will might lead to mental distress or even ptsd. I think there have been cases where recruits have attempted suicide (though I May have heard wrong).
@@gerryeuph oh ok yeah that makes more sense i have heard of people who commit suicide in basic it is crazy. Cuz they don't bother to help you out during hard times cuz they see it as a sign of weakness and theres a whole stigma so like no one ever comes forward to begin with.
It was your on own free "will" that you enlisted. No one held your right hand up against your will. No one held a weapon to your head and made you take the oath of enlistment, etc. We're all subject to the choices we make. Wanna make it through basic? Do what your told. Keep your mouth shut. Embrace the suck.
We had a mofo quit/refuse to train back in 2010, Ft Jackson. He stuck around the entire time.....AND STILL GRADUATED! The amount of hatred we had for the guy, especially on our victory forge ruck march, he rode in the fallout van the whole time and had the nerve to change his socks when we got to the training site.
How is that possible? You dont graduate if you dont eventually train or pass courses and pt tests. That means from 30th ag on you could do nothing and sleep all day and grad? Horse shot
BT was too easy back in 1995 when I was a DS at Fort Leonard Wood. I had a trainee that fractured his leg around week 4 and he still graduated on time because he did not QUIT. I had him do cardio with his battle buddy at the gym after training ended for the day. Quitters got put on KP.
Pretty much not related, but I knew a guy at Marion Military Institute that injured his knee and had to take an unusual route to get commissioned. For those that don't know, MMI is a 2 year college participating in the early commissioning program. You don't contract until you graduate so the Army isn't medically responsible for you. So you go to Basic Camp(different from basic training) straight from high school. Then freshman year you're an MS3, basic more or less having covered MS1 and 2. Next summer you go to Advanced Camp and a very few go to Airborne or Air Assault before return for sophomore year where you are an MS4. 9 months later you graduate with your associate degree and get commissioned on the same weekend, I think it's one day apart. Anyway, this guy hurt his knee(destroyed it really) in advanced camp. He could have quit right then and transferred to a civilian college if he wanted to since he wasn't contracted. At the same time he wouldn't have been eligible for VA benefits and i think he would have owed ROTC scholarship money back. But he chose to return to Marion. His academics progressed like normal. I'm actually not sure what his military science class would have been. He'd already competed 3 but wasn't training with the 4's, but I'm not sure they would have stuck him with the 2's either. Anyway, he competed his associates and watched his classmates get commissioned. MMI is a fairly high speed environment for context. He transferred to a 4 year public college and repeated MS3 and finished MS4 in a really low speed environment by comparison. But all good, he went on to a good career. Not sure if he made it to retirement but I think he was in at least 15 years or so.
My brother got injured outside of basic in Fort Benning and they were going to medically discharge him but he ran away. They said he has 30 days from when he left to come back, or they're sending a warrant out for his arrest. He keeps saying they won't, but he's on the verge of bein AWOL. What do I do?
I know I can't handle basic (I got a bad anxiety disorder, I get overwhelmed from things that I feel most people handle well, such as a long line or even sometimes a lot going on in one area at one time), so I just decide not to enlist in the first place.
went through basic went to AIT. did another 4 months in AIT and hated every second. Decided it wasnt worth and didnt see it getting better after AIT. Told a mental health doctor i wanted out. I was on the beach in a 4 star hotel a week later.
I’ve always been curious to know.....I did my 2 and left the Army (living in the field was not for me) but, I recall back in the early 80’s going through basic with a private, this guy had it all.... 6’ tall, rock solid muscle, ran like a gazelle, passed all basic requirements, qualified expert rifle & grenade. The one thing...... this guy seemed to know exactly what the DS’s were trying to do, even before they told everyone what they wanted us to do, it was as thought this guy had their “play book” memorised. Well, the week of graduation, he was separated (not because of quitting, drugs, medically, or a criminal record). Still don’t know how/why as this guy was the most squared away soldier I ever saw, most everyone thought it was a huge loss to the Army? So tell me as he did NOT quit (besides drugs or medical reasons) how could this of happened?
Honestly my first time in basic I was injured and it sucked. You just gotta remind yourself why you joined, and have some confidence in yourself. I was split option and when asked if I wanted to come back I said yes even though I thought I didn’t. I’m glad I didn’t quit. I’m going back in a week and I’m excited but also nervous for what may happen. Just gotta push through it!
@@brockrohn360 the training itself was fun but I got stuck in a platoon with problem makers so that made it hell. I made it through though. Just do your best and give it all you got and you’ll get through it.
3:28 Holdovers are also for dudes who are waiting to leave for a specialty school. There were "holdovers" but they were waiting to leave for Airborne school
What happens if a trainee decides to talk to someone about depression? Will he be processed out? And if he is stuck there until they sign papers will he get a phone call to let his family know? Will he still get letters?
I leave for basic in 2 weeks and I recently week on a 5.5 mile march on my own and I'm worried I pulled a thigh muscle. I dont think it's bad, but I'm worried about it getting worse as a continue to workout and once I get there. Can anyone provided any advice?
Could I get recycled if I fail my 3rd apft? I'm trying really hard since I came in a regular joe, but then during White phase I had stress fractures on my hip (mainly my tailbone). I was basically told for 2-3 weeks to not do anything and my drill Sgt's made sure that I didn't cause they didn't want my injury to get worse. I know it sounds stupid but I'm on hbl ATM and I'm working out as hard as I can to make up for lost time but it's like a cloud above me thinking about the worst possibility. Man never get injured during basic be safe during the rucks.
I can pull off the pushups and situps through basic training. I can already do the pushups. My muscle failure for situps is like 35(which is getting better). But my run time is crap. 18 minutes for a mile and a half. Only mile or more I've ever ran. Can BCT get me up to par on the running?
The bottom line, you gotta have a strong mindset. Yes the training part can take a physical toll, but it's more of a mental challenge than anything you gotta have the mindset to get through it and remember, it's only temporary. Just don't quit, pain and suffering of rigorous physical activity will subside and go away, quitting stays with you forever.
I was drafted into the Army during Vietnam. NOBODY failed basic training during that period, the Drill Sergeants “fixed” it to make sure you graduated basic training. Uncle Sam needed body counts in the ‘Nam!
While I'm not in the military, what I can say is that with anything in life that's going to be a challenge and you know pretty much what you're getting yourself into...make sure you're mentally 100% into it beforehand. That's a big key to being successful at the challenge. If you're not into it upstairs before you start, your odds of failing are better than your odds at success.
Should be graduating in 25 days with my A 3-39 at Fort Jackson but I got a pretty bad shoulder injury and recently got back home(was a holdover for only 2 weeks) . Working with my physical therapist so I can go back!
So, what happens if you are at “Hold Over” and say you pick up trash or mow or clean, what if you’re so dead set on going home you refuse to do anything but sit around or refuse to do ANYTHING they ask you until they send you home? (Not planning on doing any of this because I have pre-existing medical that keeps me from going)
No one should be able to force ANYONE to do something they do not want you to do. IF you want to leave, they should let you leave. If they wanna take you to court do it. Keeping you sounds like kidnapping to me. That should be illegal.
I believe you failed to mention that there is such a thing as a career-ending injury. A broken arm could be that depends on how it heals and if you damage nerves not to mention the daily pain index. All of which can affect your everyday life
i got sent home under ETSP medical discharge. i am anemic so they sent me home i have 180 days before i can go back. i’m 100% planning to! not all of the hold overs are quitters. i was a hold over for a week at fort jackson. they knew that whenever they sent us back to the bay we would nap but they didn’t care as long as our bay was clean and we were doing our work details well without problems. they let us eat as long as we want but because of the recent problems at 120th the females were good as long as we didn’t talk to the males. (this was just at reception.. as a holdover)
Nice informative video. When can you contact someone who just left for Fort Benning on the 12th June for basic training? Or is there any way to contact?
The only way to get a dishonorable discharge is to be convicted at a general court martial for a serious crime. Those who "quit" or just can't hack basic training are given entry level separations. These are neither honorable nor dishonorable discharges.
Hey I leave for basic in a week and I’ve been struggling with my mile time and it’s at 8:52 as of last night. What happens if I fail the first pt test 1:1:1? I was told I’d go to “fat camp” but what exactly is that? Any help is greatly appreciated
I really do appreciate all the videos you put out they are excellent pieces of advice as it stands right now I am currently waiting on a weaver for a criminal case that I was found adjudication withheld I have gone through the governor of Florida and congressman Hernando County and have countless letters of recommendation from former military personnel for the record I'm fighting just to get there and I'll be damned to hell if I quit I just want an opportunity if there's any advice you can give me I'd appreciate it
I went to basic on Sand Hill back in 2003 and I always wondered what happened to those guys that refused to train. I got pneumonia during basic and the pushed through it because I didn’t want to be recycled. Luckily I had Christmas between basic and AIT so I had time to recover.
I remember becoming a Holdover in 1998 when i started having some Lung issues. One of our Drill Sergeants sent me and another man to run through our quarters to make sure that everyone was outside and when i came out i was pale as a ghost and having trouble breathing worse then i ever had. The Drill Sergeant came up to me and sent me and my buddy to the Hospital so I could get checked out. The Doctor found that i had lung problems that were never diagnosed and signed papers to send me home. I went to Holdover status and they were really nice and I would have been out with in a week had I went to the right company when i got back to the main center for new recruits coming in. I accidentally went to either Bravo instead of Alpha. ended up there for 2 weeks. Until the one of the Drill Sergeants came over to me and said are you ready to go home. I was like yes and he said you would have already been home had you went to Alpha company. We both Laughed at that for like 5 whole minutes. I wish I could have stayed but under Doctors orders I had to go home.
Lots of guys at my reception ate tide pods. They kept us there for 38 days and it drove alot of people insane. You can't blame them until you feel the experience
I have been watching several of your vlogs and find them interesting and very accurate. I was one of the lucky ones during basic training that I wasn't a hold over. I ended up getting an inter ear infection in both ears towards the end of basic training. Luck for me, my platoon begged for me to graduate with them instead of being held over. The promised to work with me after our normal training was finished for the day. The PFT was the hard part for me to pass since I was still recovering from the infection.
I was at the only Battalion in the Army that trains 11C’s, 1-19. I had an option 40 Contract. Airborne Ranger (RASP). I had wanted this career all my life, specifically Airborne Ranger 75th Ranger Regiment since I was 10. I joined at the age of 21. I had done martial arts and sports my whole life, and I loved to shoot guns. Everything I could have wanted was being held from me was I was injured. It wasn’t a matter of the Army sayin it was impossible for me to be and 11C at minimum, but that the damage I would continue to do to my knees would be irreparable. Eventually I became weak minded, told myself I couldn’t face my father for failing something as easy as Basic Training. How could I tell my parter I failed the physical tests because my knees were too weak? I would have never felt like a good protector for her. I let all these evil thoughts and lies enter my head. I ended up trying to hang myself twice. It was not because it was “hard” I was in great physical shape outside of my knees and BT overall IS super easy.
Matt, I went to the Military National Army Guard Mass & they sent me to Fort Jackson. (which I loved it!) I miss it. But, in the final week of before the graduation/ceremonies etc. I got hurt on a maneuver/field. I was literally push of a cliff from behind. I fell quite a ways. Landed on both my knees, nothing too break my fall. I had a backpack gear. And M-16 in my hands. To make it worse? Two soldiers landed on top of me as they too were knock off this ledge. (plot thickens) when they landed on me?? (POP!) Both my left and right knees were blown out of position/extreme unbelievable pain! I couldn't stand. (we tried 3x's) They lifted me back Base FT Jackson's Moncrief Hospital I don't know how long I was bed ridden? But, Med Staff Sargeant came in showed me xrays. And said, we're sending you home . I cried...all the achievements I've made gone down the drain. Later I found out one of the soldiers was horse playing 4th man back behind me. Shoved a fellow soldier and like a dominoes, we went over and I was first to hit the ground. I was told make sure I get my DD214 ! Still trying to get it and as far as Benefits V.A. says they find no evidence of my injuries being military related; when I have my medical records and x rays from Moncrief along with restrictions what I can/cannot do. Shouldn't I still qualify for benefits , or some kind compensation . 1985 & 2018 I'm still suffering from it. ( apologize for being lengthy) -Don I guess my question is ...( what can I do?) I was told, I was being "Medical honorable discharged" . I didn't quit.. I was upset because my drill Sargeants were recommending to attend "Drill Sargeants" academy/school. Any suggestions?
do you have a DD214? IF it says Early Seperation... you are screwed. Entry-Level Separation If you aren't suited for the military, you may receive an entry-level separation. This means that you don't belong in the military, but your service isn't considered good or bad. An entry-level separation can only be given within your first 180 days. No benefits are earned with this discharge, since benefits generally require serving longer than 180 days, unless you were injured or incurred an illness as a result of service.
Failed my push ups below 30%, got chartered out before I can take the retake, I want to come back, but before that I need to physically prepare for myself harder this time
I guess this is an update, graduated basic from ft. Jackson 5 days ago. From Benning to Jackson and now chilling in Fort Lee, 2 years went by so fast, basic in Jackson was completely different from Benning, and like my drill sergeant in Jackson said, I took advantage of it. Anyways, I'm chilling in Lee waiting to get a class, life is good
I completed my basic training (Canada) with a torn rotator cuff, bicep separation, and torn knee cartilage. My stuff went out of their way to get me things to do while I spent the next 7 months in holding. Unforently due to the grade of the tear in my bicep I can no longer serve in any combat role, meaning i have to transfer back to civvie street and go back to school
it does, but they pay for 2 years of school (28,000 in itself) plus another ~82,000 in salary over those 2 years, and finally, priority hire for any provincial or federal job. Not adding what I will get from the VA in terms of additional payments as its just as bad up here as down there, just no VA hospitals to deal with
I was in the USAF for twenty years !! Ibroke my middle two fingers in boot camp lucky it was near the end they just graduated me and gave me 3 weeks off and I just did clerical work and when I was able sent me off to Sheppard Airforce base to do my training !! It was just an inconvenience
And being an Hold Over myself, we actually did 11 separate military Funerals both on post and off post in our class A's while we wait for the new class to start and we take our PT test with them. Me and the 7 other hold overs folded the flag, did the 21 gun solute and I was the present man who gave the folded flag to our DS and he presented that to the family. I have to say it was the most unique experience at the very beginning of my military career. Something many don't get to say. It was a very honorable thing to do.
Daniel Evatt ya I can’t wait. My biggest obstacle right now is a DV charge so the lautenburg act took my gun rights. I’m told that in my case that should be all that’s stopping me and since my time is up, I just need to pay a lawyer a few hundred to square up. I just felt so unaccomplished and disappointed in myself for getting out, now at least I can see the goal post
This may sound stupid, but what happens if one says they quit, but then they change their mind? Mind you, I don’t plan on doing that, but I am curious if you or anyone you know has seen that happen?
I plan on enlisting in the National Guard this year through split enlistment. Since I'm still in high school and I'll only have about 3 months of summer till the next school year starts, what happens if I fail a certain qualification and get recycled, but there's not enough time left before school to redo that part of the training? Would I wait until the following summer to take that part of training again, or would I have to start basic training over completely?
Not sure its fair to label someone with a torn muscle or broken something as a quitter. that's different infact the sticking it out till they can get back to it. has to be respected that is here in the UK
Don't EVER quit...no matter WHAT. I was weak, underweight and I made it...anyone can IF you have HEART.
Absolutely Amanda. The ones who came in with tough-guy attitudes were usually the first to go. All the nerds made it...the ones who didn't even have to shave yet (basic wasn't co-ed when I went through it).
Acesempa easy to say when you're not a pussy
Just take care of yourself before going basic training learn values less stressful
Acesempa smfh males are naturally stronger then females stop complaining wuss
The best way is go to ROBLOX join a army and you can quit whenever you want
There was one private who lost it on the first day, he just started crying his eyes out during the smoke session/Welcome on our first day of Basic. He just couldn't handle it. They cut him some slack, just gave him cleaning duties for a few days and sent him on his way.
That's really depressing. I don't want to put him down, but... Damn. I think BT is something someone like that really needs in life. But I'm not a mental health expert, so I don't know.
I'm going home, I'm not quitting per say but the military life isn't for me and not good for my mental health, I've had so many mental breakdowns I've lost count, days where i can't sleep, days where i don't even eat at chow time, my Drill Sergeant, the docs at Behavioral Health, and even my battle buddies from basic all agree that it's best for me to go home and back to college, I am diasgonis with depression and anxiety and I'm going home from AIT with a medical discharge due to mental health, I do salute and will pray for those who made it and hope you keep this college student safe.
Marco Muñoz You’re an asshole lol
Smart decision. It's hard to change direction once you commit but I think people like you are mentally tough. Most people prefer to lie to themselves or get influenced by peer pressure to continue something they're not passionate about.
I hope you're doing well in school and picked a good major.
That's called quitting lmfao
@@marcomunoz7784 you're a piece of s?*t
I hope you're happier now. Be well.
My buddy fell off eagle tower at the end of basic. Broke his back in 2 places and was told he shouldn't be walking anymore. They gave him a medical discharge.
The quickest way out is graduation :)
Amanda Goodlin incorrect
Cmhs got me out in 3 weeks on medical
It is EPTS and don’t end up on the 4th floor.
62squad DS every morning at 4:30: “let me guess, 450, CMHS?”
TrueGamerOpinion vive 30th AG!
Hold overs and sick call warriors get treated less than dirt, don't be that guy
Not true. I was a hold over because I missed my sit-ups by 2 to pass my APFT. We were treated better than the new recruits. Because basically we did graduated. My and 7 others. They even had us toss their bunks over when they found someone's wall locker that was unsecured. They actually talk to us normal. We even did funeral details too when we weren't doing anything while we still waited for the new class to start and take the PT test with them. I did 11 funerals in our class A's while being a hold over. Me and the other 7 we did both 21 gun solute, folding the flag and I was the present man who gives the folded flag to our DS which who then gives that to the family. I have to say I did something many people didn't get to do while being an hold over.
My holdovers get their phones.
@@hhds113 was this at reception or basic
@@caitlinw2585 Basic
thats why break out lol you dont stay there u just leave
Seriously, I would rather go thru another 6-8 weeks of basic training than go thru the experience of getting fired from a job I really liked, when I never even saw it coming. That several minutes of getting fired and having your livelihood yanked out from under you is far worse than an entire basic training course! What that does to you is truly indescribable!
Same.
Happy Trails ?
Hell, being in federal prison for 20 months (or any time longer then that) is WAY worse than BCT/AIT/OSUT. I went through all of my 12B OSUT and I basically quit - I was in prison for 20 months and I've worked out and as soon as I am off of supervised release I WILL re-enlist. I will see how that goes when I get there.
Note: I was discharged honorably - the incarceration happened roughly 4 years after my discharge.
Same here, I got fired from my first job because of something I didn’t do, I thought the company had my back because they ran an investigation and cleared me of all fault yet they still fired me, really hurt a lot because I enjoyed that job so much, even though the pay was downright minimum wage (I think it should’ve been at least $10/hour)
The important thing to remember is that serving in the Armed Forces is public record. Anyone can submit the freedom of information act request and the DoD will release only specific info regarding your service records (start date, end date, branch of service, deployments, combat service w/ locations, medals received, rank and characterization of service (honorable, dishonorable, etc). So remember your service is public record and can show up on background checks. Trainees receive uncharacterized because you never actually made it to your unit. This is not an honorable discharge. The VA will not consider you a veteran until you serve 180 of Active service After training. So you have to complete training and serve 6 months Active to get VA healthcare. To get GI Bill you Must receive Honorable. General under honorable conditions will not count. Had a trainee drop out on my campus tried to apply for gibill and we were like "dude... You failed training. There's no gibill for you". It's like no one reads the contract they sign
I went to Fort Jackson we had a lot of people quit in basic and there were back home within 3 to 4 weeks of quitting they were gone long before the platoon graduated.
This was my case as well. We had 4 people from my Company quit within the first 3 weeks, and they were home within 2 weeks of their "I Quit" date
Lucas Darst Why did they quit?
MIimo Reii I guess they just realize it wasn't what they wanted to do with there life.
RELAXIN JACKSON😂😂😂😂
I was at Benning, we had guys quit too, but they were sent back to another company at 30th AG, and were still there when we graduated.
I quit during Reception, I didn't want to do active duty. Went back home and waited 8 months and joined the Guard. Best decsion I ever made.
Haha glad that worked out for you man!
David Joe Are you responding to comments? I have a question.
I cut myself....... they let me go home. I got home and it turned out I have schizophrenia... so maybe it’s for the best? I still wish I could graduate but obviously I can’t do that. Heads up for those who join don’t fucking quit it will follow you for the rest of your life
David Joe did they take your phone as a holdover
When I was at basic training I cut myself and over dose on my meds.. I didn't try to kill myself I was just in a bad place. Stuff I found out back home that really affected me DON'T DO THIS. it will really follow you the rest of your life. And also I didn't get a dishonorable discharge you get chapter out under honorable conditions so I was ok and so was everyone else who went a little crazy..
"Hold Over" is mainly about those who couldn't graduate with their class because they failed a course or failed APFT and have to repeat it to pass. Same goes with medical reasons too. Its basically holding there until they pass whatever they failed at and once pass they can move onto their AIT. They are not quiters. At least most of the hold overs are not. And I admit I was one of those hold overs. I went into basic in 2003. The ONLY thing stop me from graduating with my class was my sit-ups. Passed everything. So our DS had us stay in the small room which is the DS room and had to wait till the new class did their first APFT. Once they did theirs we did ours with them. So I finally passed and again had to wait for the next class to graduate and go with the next class to AIT. That was a week away after I pass my PT test. I didn't quit. So basically when I finally graduated from AIT I was a class behind. But that's okay. Nobody's perfect. And I pushed myself to my limits to make sure I graduate AIT on time unlike my basic training one. That's my story on why you don't quit. You push yourself more and work on what you need to work on you won't have any trouble. So what I was a class behind, I graduated.
You're not getting a dishonorable discharge while in basic, it's only an entry level separation. The worse that can happen is that you wound be able to join the military ever again.
Hey Angel Guzman is there any possibility that u can quit aftr your graduation and before going to the tech school? Can a cadet volunteerly opt out aftr graduation by paying a penalty? Plz do reply
Zeeshan Ali Nope, you signed a contract for 4 years.
I got an ELS and they said we could re-enlist after 6 months lol. I think you have to get a waiver though but I'm not sure
Luke Cole I just refused to train at WTRP, now I’m waiting (for like two days) to be sent back to my
company and they’ll probably separate me from there.
@@lukecole6203 How long did it take you to get home from the time you started the paperwork?
I love your videos. thank you! your like thee only one that gets in depth about everything 💖
cyndiii 123 awesome, thanks for the support! That means a lot, really
When I was at Fort Benning, we had one guy who quit but had a legitimate reason for it. His mom was dying from cancer and a bunch of different illnesses and our CO allowed him to call his mom every other day, and then he refused to train. He told me he was given a failure to adapt and about a year later was able to re-enlist due to his reasoning of leaving. Its crazy that some people try to end their life at basic training, I couldn't imagine doing something like that.
Dang that sucks. And yeah that's pretty legitimate that he basically wanted to be with his mom. And yeah, I don't get it man.
Shootemup89 Your videos are very informative. Thanks alot for the content. It really cleared up many concerns I have about the military. I plan on enlisting after I graduate and I have absolutely no intention of quitting basic.
Yo bro was it a white scronny guy with brown hair ??? I think i might of met him at meps he was like 5'9 5'10 ish
We had a female recruit hang herself in the squad bay
@@fatguyscanhike7656 did she die? Who tf does that that scares me
I never knew any of the things you outlined in this video, only that if you TDP, you're in for a less-than-honorable discharge. But as I said under another of your videos, I repeat here: I wanted to quit so bad I could taste it, just 3 weeks in. If not for strong family opposition, I WOULD have quit. But I am SO glad I stayed in, was forced to stick it out, and finished my 13 weeks of OSUT. That whole experience changed me forever. Some of my better character traits can be traced back to the disciplines forced upon me during that unpleasant time. It built character and resilience. I'm now in my fifties, and I'm still organized, self-disciplined, keep a clean home, and 'move with a purpose' when I set out to do something. And I have plenty of interesting stories to tell my two boys. I would have NONE of that today, and nothing but bad memories, if I had instead quit!
“What happens when you fail basic training..... you turn into a young slim shady” 😂😂😂
I did Infantry basic (OSUT) eight years ago.
I ended up getting a stress-fracture on my pelvis that started at around week 5-6.
They put me on crutches and eventually sent me home for 30 days to heal.
When I got back to Benning, my class was almost ready to graduate. Once they did, I got sent to hold-over, for about a month, while I did rehab.
Eventually, I joined a new company, who were at week 4 already.
Long story short, it was a six month ordeal to finally get my blue cord.
I was treated fine as a hold-over, but it’s like purgatory. There’s not much to do, so the days crawled by. That month felt like three months.
Long story short: keep your head up; it’s absolute hell at times, but the misery does end eventually.
Definitely don’t quit, no matter what.
I got injured in Navy boot camp on day one. Toughed it out for a month but got sent to the doctor and they discharged me. Seems Army is more willing to keep guys no matter what; Navy wants to kick them out for any reason.
@@RoundenBrown
It’s not that; it’s because A pelvic stress fracture is a common injury that heals on its own. I did see a few guys get kicked out for other injuries and health issues.
laundry detergent is basic and a detergent. It is basically both water and fat soluble, so if you drink it, it will pretty much disolve the cells of your esophagus, larynx, stomach, and lungs. It's a very painful and inefficient way to commit suicide. Alkaline burns are often worse than acid burns because they don't tend to crust the way acid burns do, instead they cause unprotected flesh to slough off in a watery goo. It's quite horrifying.
Ain't nobody finna drink
The hardest part is getting injured early in training, couldnt do any training while i was injured pretty much destroyed my moral, eventually i went into 3 week without training, so i just took the medical separation.
Some folks just aren’t cut out for the military, but it’s nothing to be ashamed of. Just go be successful somewhere else. I’m an honorably discharged Army vet by the way and I’m glad I served.
Hi Matt, I appreciate all your videos and I’ve been watching your videos for a few months.Unfortunately, my daughter called me yesterday stating she has fractures in her ankles and knees. I’d like to learn more about the process when this happens. She was on her last day of white phase (B12 EN BN). We trust the process and we give God the Glory!
Hey just want to know how long it took for your daughter to come home??
I got injured near the end of the BCT stage at OSUT. Had a hip fracture, then surgery. Went on con-leave and came back to my original company which was now in the AIT phase, I made up all the events I missed and was able to graduate with my original company. I was catching up literally every day but I made it. 3 years later I got reinjured and went through a med-board. All in all, i'm glad I went through everything I did.
I'm in essentially the same situation (aside from surgery). Should I just roll back up to my old Troop and let them know I'm back? How does returning from convalescent leave work?
@@somethingsomethingusername802 i should probably have checked this sooner. Lol but yeah, you basically return to your original company and return to duty while they figure out the best course of action from that point forward. Depending on what phase you're in, they may go for a recycle or maybe they'll be super chill and let you make up everything you missed. Some of the other trainees may not like you for going on con leave, just a warning.
Just graduated OSUT on Friday from Ft Benning. I'll add something to this it's what our First Sergeant told us on day zero at BCT. The fastest way out of BCT is to graduate. It's not that bad guys. To anyone going to training soon, just remember each day why you joined and it will get you through!
PENS68, I enlisted in Army ng 11bravo a couple days ago. So the only way to fail is to quit? Which I will never do.
It's not that bad, it's the other 4 years in active duty that recruits have hovering over their head they want to avoid. Most people quitting would easily finish BCT if it meant going home for good.
I'm at Benning right now and currently being discharged for Tourettes. I still haven't gotten a timeline on when I'll be home
I joined on a whim so I couldnt really fall back on “remembering why i joined”. Just wanted to see what it was about
@@AroundSun finally someone said it
When I was at reception in 2005 in Fort Sill, the cadre there was PHENOMENAL. Due to the circumstances and amount of trainees they had, there was a long wait for companies and batteries to go into basic training. So, a lot of guys got disheartened and unmotivated. A lot wanted to quit simply because they got tired of waiting or started having second thoughts. I don't know the stats off hand, but I remember only ever seeing about 3 out of several hundred guys who were quiters so to speak. The cadre made every effort they could to mentor the guys who were considering giving up and were able to talk a lot of guys into staying. Sometimes quitting on the people who are giving up is just detrimental on the Army as the people quitting themselves. Really outstanding Commanders and Drill Sergeants.
I'm glad you liked it!
I was at Sill 15 months thanks to an ankle injury halfway through white phase... Physical therapy, surgery, recovery, more therapy, walk-to-run, and had to recycle to the beginning. Still think it's funny how, when I recycled, I pretty much fried my DSs' brains in confusion when they saw I had TA-50 on Day 0. Despite how long the recovery was for my ankle, I still got one of the fastest run times on that PT test. I actually got so used to the environment, some DSs got extra heated when I wasn't the slightest bit intimidated by them because I had gotten so used to it.
One thing I want known is I never lost love or desire for the Army, I wore the uniform with immense pride and dignity. There isn’t a day that go’s by I don’t think about all that time spent there, believing in something and then losing it all, but mostly losing my own mental state. I tell people who have asked me that I’m not a soldier, and I’m not a veteran, but I was in the Army. I didn’t quit because I was a quitter, I left because it was the absolute best decision for me, and my future family. Sometimes being a man is looking in the mirror and seeing your true self, your own truth of what IS RIGHT. No one can take that power from you.
It’s a decision that people should know what they are getting themselves into with no regrets.
Been a few years ago, but after I graduated BCT at Benning, I arrived at my AIT in Leonard Wood early and stayed at their reception for two weeks. Not as bad as 30th AG, but still not the best. There was a holdover there who had been there for over a year due to him lying about his criminal record. No idea how long he was there after I left.
Damn I leave in a couple days to Fort Jackson. I'm pumped I can't wait to do this. Wish I had more time to get fit. I only had a month and worked full time late night hours.
How was it?
did u fail?
I quit basic for several reasons, im not gonna get into why, but here is how it played out for me: I ended up trying to refuse to train, and my drill sergeants first told me it didn’t exist. I kept asking because I knew it did exist, but they didn’t have it until around white phase where my senior drill sergeant just called me to his office and told me he knows I’m trying to get out of here and that it’s a process and I just gotta be patient. He helped me out with that whole process. I had another situation going on while this was happening where I was on profile. I was told I couldnt leave until i was RTD (returned to duty), which took around 7-8 weeks total. Then after I was RTD, I got sent back to reception a week after that at the return home company, and then I stayed there for a week until I came back. Ive been home for a little over a week now. Honestly my pride took a huge hit. I’m ashamed of the way I acted sometimes during bct, but overall I don’t regret it. Definitely wasn’t for me and I came into everything with the wrong mindset, expectations, and extremely little information due to lack of effort/research. A part of me wants to reenlist after 6 months because I’m not barred from the military but I really don’t know. I know I will hate it but I want to prove I can do it because in all honesty it wasnt that bad to begin with and it gets way easier. It’s just that I really don’t want to be in the army
Z H, I gave you a thumbs up for sharing, but want to know, what is it that you hope to gain by going back or not?
@@goodmeasure777 Just wanted to prove I could do it, probably won't go back though, at least not for a few years. Doing some other things right now.
I quit too, tried to quit on day 1 but they kept stonewalling me for a couple weeks. Eventually they let me.
@@RoundenBrown honestly life been way better since i got out. Hope the same for you bro
I was advised by a recruiter to apply for an Army ROTC scholarship. I spent a few weeks at ROTC basic and finished well enough to be offered a full-time university scholarship. Military Science was basically like a minor discipline. ROTC activities were alot of fun and I made lifelong friends. I was commissioned as a reserve officer immediately upon graduation with a three year active duty commitment followed by a five year reserve duty. I'd highly recommend that route.
I love your channel and videos man, keep up the great work. I'm hoping to join national guard as soon as a turn 17, and your videos will help a lot for the future
Awesome, I'm glad bro. Thanks for the support!
I sprained my ankle pretty bad in bootcamp and was placed on light duty for a few days. When they took the bandages off, my ankle was still swollen and hurt like hell, but the absolutely fear of being recycled made me gut it out. I kept quiet about it and was miserable for the remainder of my training. I think my DIs knew what was up, but they couldn't really do anything because I was completing the training and I didn't complain. About mid-way through training, we picked up a recruit who was recycled from an earlier platoon. He had the misfortune of developing appendicitis during training and told me how miserable it was waiting to be assigned to another platoon while he healed. Wasn't about to let that happen to me no matter what. Bottomline, you want to get off the island? You complete your training and graduate.
In 1981, when I was in, a guy married one day before shipping out. He went nuts and walked to the CO s office and said he was gay, and apologized for not being honest. The commander replied, "Son I don't believe you!! But, if you really want out bad enough to make up a story like that I'll let you out, now." He signed him out that day, and he grabbed his gear and told us about it and left.
I have a few interjections, I was medically discharged due to fracturing my hip, I could hardly walk and I was sent home with out the choice to return. The second is no discharge weather it’s dishonorable, medical, or a FTA is on your record if you have less than 180 days of active duty. While at basic this days do count towards active duty days so if you are there that long then it would go on your record. I was there for about 130-140 days in total and my medical discharge is not on my record. Good video keep it up.
Alec Schenck how long was the process for you to return home. How are you doing now
I went into the military with very little cartilage in both of my knees (I lied at MEPS and didn’t say anything at Reception). I managed to get micro tears in both my outer meniscus and inner meniscus in my knees. I made it worse by refusing to go to sick call. It got to the point where I could only walk straight legged and couldn’t physically run. My Senior Drill Sergeant repeatedly told me to go to sick call to get checked out and I refused. Eventually he told me I didn’t have a choice and it was only getting worse so I agreed to go. When the ran all of their tests they discovered I had damn near no cartilage and had micro tears (+ Patela fomoral sybdrome and IT band Syndrome).
The thing that set me over the edge was the lack of information and having no one. My battle buddy’s were told to hate me by our drill sergeants for being to weak. I understand why the did what they did, they couldn’t allow others to try to use their injuries as an excuse, they were right for it in their own way. It took it’s toll anyway, left me in a very dark, lonely place. I would go and hide in my locker while they cleaned weapons or cleaned their lockers. It was the one place no one could touch me, but of course I was still trapped. I’m not going to go into grave detail about my experience but I realized being an athletic or combative person didn’t actually matter that much there. It helped in training but everyone gets broken down. Unfortunately for me I wasn’t being built back up, and I was just knocking myself down more, and more.
Hey man I’m really sad this happened to you and I’m happy to see you still around telling your stories! Did you end up quitting or did you complete it anyway? Have a good day man!
@@Nohandlefortoday Quitting? Yes and no, my Company Commander was actually very helpful. Once it was obvious I wasn’t trying to waste their time, and was truly struggling mentally they helped me get home, they didn’t give me a negative discharge, and I am aloud to rejoin, even get back my same MOS. I’m rehabing my knees and taking hand to hand combat. Once my knees are as close to 100% as they can be I’ll rejoin, I am almost glad I got to experience everything and come back stronger
Hi Matt, my grandson went through basic at Ft Benning . while he was there he fractured an ankle and was worried about being reverted during his training. he was very upset about it and he did call me to talk about it. i told him when i went through boot camp in 1963 ( USCG ) i told him we had guys who were injured and were reverted but they made it through and graduated and went on to their first units. he came home here for two weeks for rest and when he went back to Ft Benning and his Sgt and Company Commander talked to him he was just fine. he is now at Ft Campbell and doing great. he also told his mother he didn't want to disapoint me i love that young man he has realy grown into a mature young man.
It seems really dumb that you sign your life away and you're not alowed to go back on it.
Griffin Jenkins you can, alot of people get kicked out for unknown medical problems, or just psych out. At least that how it was in the Navy.
Griffin Jenkins By playing your cards right you can get out in a few weeks
@@drudenae hows that?
@@drudenae by being a pussy
@@unodosxx can you chill? 😂 You've commented this to multiple people.
Hes talking about people attempting it, and I can completely back him up on it, the amount of times ive heard of these kids now a days killing themselves in basic is crazy especally because of how often it happens
You won’t get a dishonorable if you just quit you will get a chapter 11 and have to wait 6 months before you re-enlist. so yeah they say you will be their over a year but in all reality the longest you stay is 3 months.
I separated my clavicle doing the foreman's cary in combat medic training, I did CQ duty for the remaining 6 weeks and got recycled to a new unit to finish basic training.
After growing up in Watts with the guys who started the bloods and trying not to let the crips and Cholos try to beat or kill me basic training was the beginning of the best time in my damn life!!!!!
Basic training saved my life.
Takes about 4 weeks to un-dot the i's and un-cross the t's...if you don't f up at the separation barracks.
The whole idea of being held somewhere against your will without having committed any crime is very disturbing! Are the facilities like a maximum security prison?!?! Couldn't you just grab your stuff, walk out the gate and catch a bus home? Do you get arrested? Locked up in jail? I don't understand, especially if the person is suffering mental distress, holding them in that environment may push them over the brink, or at the very least cause PTSD which may affect them the rest of their life..
I highly doubt they will let you join if you have a mental illness or ptsd. Theres things that will disqualify you from joining thats what the meps process is for. To weed out those who have things that disqualify them cuz they want to make sure they are physically amd mentally prepared for basic.
You sign your constitutional rights away when you join and are now subscribed to the UCMJ uniform code of military justice. The UCMJ can and will hold you against your will, simply because people would walk away from combat zones or desert during wartime. Cant have that. You leave on your own will you're considered AWOL. You'll basically have an active warrant for pickup. Dont sign the dotted line if you dont want to do the time. Basic training is not army tryouts.
@@tanyaguido4375 no, I meant after you are in, and discover basic training isn't for you, forcing you to stay against your will might lead to mental distress or even ptsd. I think there have been cases where recruits have attempted suicide (though I May have heard wrong).
@@gerryeuph oh ok yeah that makes more sense i have heard of people who commit suicide in basic it is crazy. Cuz they don't bother to help you out during hard times cuz they see it as a sign of weakness and theres a whole stigma so like no one ever comes forward to begin with.
It was your on own free "will" that you enlisted. No one held your right hand up against your will. No one held a weapon to your head and made you take the oath of enlistment, etc.
We're all subject to the choices we make. Wanna make it through basic?
Do what your told. Keep your mouth shut. Embrace the suck.
We had a mofo quit/refuse to train back in 2010, Ft Jackson. He stuck around the entire time.....AND STILL GRADUATED! The amount of hatred we had for the guy, especially on our victory forge ruck march, he rode in the fallout van the whole time and had the nerve to change his socks when we got to the training site.
DomoDolo, For real? I enlisted in Army ng 11bravo couple days ago, so the only way to fail is quit or go awol, which I would never do.
DomoDolo wow really I ship out to ft Jackson next month for bct
How is that possible? You dont graduate if you dont eventually train or pass courses and pt tests. That means from 30th ag on you could do nothing and sleep all day and grad? Horse shot
BT was too easy back in 1995 when I was a DS at Fort Leonard Wood. I had a trainee that fractured his leg around week 4 and he still graduated on time because he did not QUIT. I had him do cardio with his battle buddy at the gym after training ended for the day. Quitters got put on KP.
Pretty much not related, but I knew a guy at Marion Military Institute that injured his knee and had to take an unusual route to get commissioned. For those that don't know, MMI is a 2 year college participating in the early commissioning program. You don't contract until you graduate so the Army isn't medically responsible for you. So you go to Basic Camp(different from basic training) straight from high school. Then freshman year you're an MS3, basic more or less having covered MS1 and 2. Next summer you go to Advanced Camp and a very few go to Airborne or Air Assault before return for sophomore year where you are an MS4. 9 months later you graduate with your associate degree and get commissioned on the same weekend, I think it's one day apart.
Anyway, this guy hurt his knee(destroyed it really) in advanced camp. He could have quit right then and transferred to a civilian college if he wanted to since he wasn't contracted. At the same time he wouldn't have been eligible for VA benefits and i think he would have owed ROTC scholarship money back. But he chose to return to Marion. His academics progressed like normal. I'm actually not sure what his military science class would have been. He'd already competed 3 but wasn't training with the 4's, but I'm not sure they would have stuck him with the 2's either. Anyway, he competed his associates and watched his classmates get commissioned. MMI is a fairly high speed environment for context. He transferred to a 4 year public college and repeated MS3 and finished MS4 in a really low speed environment by comparison. But all good, he went on to a good career. Not sure if he made it to retirement but I think he was in at least 15 years or so.
My brother got injured outside of basic in Fort Benning and they were going to medically discharge him but he ran away. They said he has 30 days from when he left to come back, or they're sending a warrant out for his arrest. He keeps saying they won't, but he's on the verge of bein AWOL. What do I do?
This is the first time I've heard of being able to just quit
Never quit!
I know I can't handle basic (I got a bad anxiety disorder, I get overwhelmed from things that I feel most people handle well, such as a long line or even sometimes a lot going on in one area at one time), so I just decide not to enlist in the first place.
went through basic went to AIT. did another 4 months in AIT and hated every second. Decided it wasnt worth and didnt see it getting better after AIT. Told a mental health doctor i wanted out. I was on the beach in a 4 star hotel a week later.
I’ve always been curious to know.....I did my 2 and left the Army (living in the field was not for me) but, I recall back in the early 80’s going through basic with a private, this guy had it all.... 6’ tall, rock solid muscle, ran like a gazelle, passed all basic requirements, qualified expert rifle & grenade. The one thing...... this guy seemed to know exactly what the DS’s were trying to do, even before they told everyone what they wanted us to do, it was as thought this guy had their “play book” memorised. Well, the week of graduation, he was separated (not because of quitting, drugs, medically, or a criminal record). Still don’t know how/why as this guy was the most squared away soldier I ever saw, most everyone thought it was a huge loss to the Army? So tell me as he did NOT quit (besides drugs or medical reasons) how could this of happened?
The Regular Guy Look lol guy was forsure ci
The Regular Guy Look cid**
Honestly my first time in basic I was injured and it sucked. You just gotta remind yourself why you joined, and have some confidence in yourself. I was split option and when asked if I wanted to come back I said yes even though I thought I didn’t. I’m glad I didn’t quit. I’m going back in a week and I’m excited but also nervous for what may happen. Just gotta push through it!
How was it
@@brockrohn360 the training itself was fun but I got stuck in a platoon with problem makers so that made it hell. I made it through though. Just do your best and give it all you got and you’ll get through it.
I’m currently getting my ged and then I’m in my way in where are you what are you doing in the military
@@brockrohn360 I’m national Guard so I only do one weekend a month and I get to live where I want. I’m a 19k armored crewman. A tanker.
3:28 Holdovers are also for dudes who are waiting to leave for a specialty school. There were "holdovers" but they were waiting to leave for Airborne school
What happens if a trainee decides to talk to someone about depression? Will he be processed out? And if he is stuck there until they sign papers will he get a phone call to let his family know? Will he still get letters?
I leave for basic in 2 weeks and I recently week on a 5.5 mile march on my own and I'm worried I pulled a thigh muscle. I dont think it's bad, but I'm worried about it getting worse as a continue to workout and once I get there. Can anyone provided any advice?
If it hasnt gotten better by now you might want to see a doctor. o7
Could I get recycled if I fail my 3rd apft? I'm trying really hard since I came in a regular joe, but then during White phase I had stress fractures on my hip (mainly my tailbone). I was basically told for 2-3 weeks to not do anything and my drill Sgt's made sure that I didn't cause they didn't want my injury to get worse. I know it sounds stupid but I'm on hbl ATM and I'm working out as hard as I can to make up for lost time but it's like a cloud above me thinking about the worst possibility. Man never get injured during basic be safe during the rucks.
We couldn’t quit anything 3 years mean 3 years. Thanks for your service
I can pull off the pushups and situps through basic training. I can already do the pushups. My muscle failure for situps is like 35(which is getting better). But my run time is crap. 18 minutes for a mile and a half. Only mile or more I've ever ran. Can BCT get me up to par on the running?
The bottom line, you gotta have a strong mindset. Yes the training part can take a physical toll, but it's more of a mental challenge than anything you gotta have the mindset to get through it and remember, it's only temporary.
Just don't quit, pain and suffering of rigorous physical activity will subside and go away, quitting stays with you forever.
I was drafted into the Army during Vietnam. NOBODY failed basic training during that period, the Drill Sergeants “fixed” it to make sure you graduated basic training. Uncle Sam needed body counts in the ‘Nam!
While I'm not in the military, what I can say is that with anything in life that's going to be a challenge and you know pretty much what you're getting yourself into...make sure you're mentally 100% into it beforehand. That's a big key to being successful at the challenge. If you're not into it upstairs before you start, your odds of failing are better than your odds at success.
Should be graduating in 25 days with my A 3-39 at Fort Jackson but I got a pretty bad shoulder injury and recently got back home(was a holdover for only 2 weeks) . Working with my physical therapist so I can go back!
So, what happens if you are at “Hold Over” and say you pick up trash or mow or clean, what if you’re so dead set on going home you refuse to do anything but sit around or refuse to do ANYTHING they ask you until they send you home? (Not planning on doing any of this because I have pre-existing medical that keeps me from going)
No one should be able to force ANYONE to do something they do not want you to do. IF you want to leave, they should let you leave. If they wanna take you to court do it. Keeping you sounds like kidnapping to me. That should be illegal.
You are absolutely right.
I believe you failed to mention that there is such a thing as a career-ending injury. A broken arm could be that depends on how it heals and if you damage nerves not to mention the daily pain index. All of which can affect your everyday life
i got sent home under ETSP medical discharge. i am anemic so they sent me home i have 180 days before i can go back. i’m 100% planning to! not all of the hold overs are quitters. i was a hold over for a week at fort jackson. they knew that whenever they sent us back to the bay we would nap but they didn’t care as long as our bay was clean and we were doing our work details well without problems. they let us eat as long as we want but because of the recent problems at 120th the females were good as long as we didn’t talk to the males. (this was just at reception.. as a holdover)
Life of Kaylynne I can’t wait to walk into the recruiters office in September to sign up again . At least we didn’t quit lol
You are dedicated to your goal and ready to make it happen. Get 'er done, young lady!
Nice informative video. When can you contact someone who just left for Fort Benning on the 12th June for basic training? Or is there any way to contact?
The only way to get a dishonorable discharge is to be convicted at a general court martial for a serious crime. Those who "quit" or just can't hack basic training are given entry level separations. These are neither honorable nor dishonorable discharges.
Hey I leave for basic in a week and I’ve been struggling with my mile time and it’s at 8:52 as of last night. What happens if I fail the first pt test 1:1:1? I was told I’d go to “fat camp” but what exactly is that? Any help is greatly appreciated
I really do appreciate all the videos you put out they are excellent pieces of advice as it stands right now I am currently waiting on a weaver for a criminal case that I was found adjudication withheld I have gone through the governor of Florida and congressman Hernando County and have countless letters of recommendation from former military personnel for the record I'm fighting just to get there and I'll be damned to hell if I quit I just want an opportunity if there's any advice you can give me I'd appreciate it
Will Moore Probably a McCain, just saying......👍
Ur a solid cat. I love ur channel very much
Thanks!
I went to basic on Sand Hill back in 2003 and I always wondered what happened to those guys that refused to train. I got pneumonia during basic and the pushed through it because I didn’t want to be recycled. Luckily I had Christmas between basic and AIT so I had time to recover.
What happens if you get injured to the point where you can’t return to basic?
I know someone who couldn't hack BT & went AWOL. He was discharged with a general discharge.
In my basic/AIT in June 2001, we had a guy break his leg and 11 APFT failures. All were kept with the platoon and all graduated.
Dalton Fury bro you know the reason why look at the year...
@@benjaminrichards4182 people just aren't built like that anymore
@@benjaminrichards4182 9/11 didn't happen for another few months, so we weren't at war yet. So that makes no fucking sense lol
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Khabib Armageddon DID YOU KNOW ? IDGAF🤣
I shouldve watched this video before I became a holdover, I’m home now but still I regret it
How long did the whole process take to get out?
Dude, you don’t know what people are going through internally. I wouldn’t call them a quitter.
I remember becoming a Holdover in 1998 when i started having some Lung issues. One of our Drill Sergeants sent me and another man to run through our quarters to make sure that everyone was outside and when i came out i was pale as a ghost and having trouble breathing worse then i ever had. The Drill Sergeant came up to me and sent me and my buddy to the Hospital so I could get checked out. The Doctor found that i had lung problems that were never diagnosed and signed papers to send me home. I went to Holdover status and they were really nice and I would have been out with in a week had I went to the right company when i got back to the main center for new recruits coming in. I accidentally went to either Bravo instead of Alpha. ended up there for 2 weeks. Until the one of the Drill Sergeants came over to me and said are you ready to go home. I was like yes and he said you would have already been home had you went to Alpha company. We both Laughed at that for like 5 whole minutes. I wish I could have stayed but under Doctors orders I had to go home.
Nothing wrong with that at all; sorry to hear about it though.
@@Valphyr thank you
12:12 - Goddamn! whole bottle of laundry detergent? He's prolly either warning those tide pod kids... or tellin' 'em to get on his level...
Lots of guys at my reception ate tide pods. They kept us there for 38 days and it drove alot of people insane. You can't blame them until you feel the experience
I have been watching several of your vlogs and find them interesting and very accurate. I was one of the lucky ones during basic training that I wasn't a hold over. I ended up getting an inter ear infection in both ears towards the end of basic training. Luck for me, my platoon begged for me to graduate with them instead of being held over. The promised to work with me after our normal training was finished for the day. The PFT was the hard part for me to pass since I was still recovering from the infection.
I was at the only Battalion in the Army that trains 11C’s, 1-19. I had an option 40 Contract. Airborne Ranger (RASP). I had wanted this career all my life, specifically Airborne Ranger 75th Ranger Regiment since I was 10. I joined at the age of 21. I had done martial arts and sports my whole life, and I loved to shoot guns. Everything I could have wanted was being held from me was I was injured. It wasn’t a matter of the Army sayin it was impossible for me to be and 11C at minimum, but that the damage I would continue to do to my knees would be irreparable. Eventually I became weak minded, told myself I couldn’t face my father for failing something as easy as Basic Training. How could I tell my parter I failed the physical tests because my knees were too weak? I would have never felt like a good protector for her. I let all these evil thoughts and lies enter my head. I ended up trying to hang myself twice. It was not because it was “hard” I was in great physical shape outside of my knees and BT overall IS super easy.
@Giovanni Richezza. Thank you for sharing.
Matt, I went to the Military National Army Guard Mass & they sent me to Fort Jackson. (which I loved it!) I miss it. But, in the final week of before the graduation/ceremonies etc. I got hurt on a maneuver/field. I was literally push of a cliff from behind. I fell quite a ways. Landed on both my knees, nothing too break my fall. I had a backpack gear. And M-16 in my hands. To make it worse? Two soldiers landed on top of me as they too were knock off this ledge. (plot thickens) when they landed on me?? (POP!) Both my left and right knees were blown out of position/extreme unbelievable pain! I couldn't stand. (we tried 3x's) They lifted me back Base FT Jackson's Moncrief Hospital I don't know how long I was bed ridden? But, Med Staff Sargeant came in showed me xrays. And said, we're sending you home . I cried...all the achievements I've made gone down the drain. Later I found out one of the soldiers was horse playing 4th man back behind me. Shoved a fellow soldier and like a dominoes, we went over and I was first to hit the ground. I was told make sure I get my DD214 ! Still trying to get it and as far as Benefits V.A. says they find no evidence of my injuries being military related; when I have my medical records and x rays from Moncrief along with restrictions what I can/cannot do. Shouldn't I still qualify for benefits , or some kind compensation . 1985 & 2018 I'm still suffering from it. ( apologize for being lengthy) -Don
I guess my question is ...( what can I do?) I was told, I was being "Medical honorable discharged" . I didn't quit.. I was upset because my drill Sargeants were recommending to attend "Drill Sargeants" academy/school. Any suggestions?
do you have a DD214?
IF it says Early Seperation... you are screwed.
Entry-Level Separation
If you aren't suited for the military, you may receive an entry-level separation. This means that you don't belong in the military, but your service isn't considered good or bad. An entry-level separation can only be given within your first 180 days. No benefits are earned with this discharge, since benefits generally require serving longer than 180 days, unless you were injured or incurred an illness as a result of service.
Failed my push ups below 30%, got chartered out before I can take the retake, I want to come back, but before that I need to physically prepare for myself harder this time
I guess this is an update, graduated basic from ft. Jackson 5 days ago. From Benning to Jackson and now chilling in Fort Lee, 2 years went by so fast, basic in Jackson was completely different from Benning, and like my drill sergeant in Jackson said, I took advantage of it. Anyways, I'm chilling in Lee waiting to get a class, life is good
@@Hsutheguard "waiting to get a class"... What does that mean? What class? Also, congrats!!!
I graduated from basic training 3 weeks ago.
I completed my basic training (Canada) with a torn rotator cuff, bicep separation, and torn knee cartilage. My stuff went out of their way to get me things to do while I spent the next 7 months in holding. Unforently due to the grade of the tear in my bicep I can no longer serve in any combat role, meaning i have to transfer back to civvie street and go back to school
so they broke you just to throw you back...thats sad bro. Keep your head up
it does, but they pay for 2 years of school (28,000 in itself) plus another ~82,000 in salary over those 2 years, and finally, priority hire for any provincial or federal job. Not adding what I will get from the VA in terms of additional payments as its just as bad up here as down there, just no VA hospitals to deal with
those perks are NIIIIICE
Honestly why join
Good question. For 75% of people I’d say don’t. I loved it though.
what if they found out that u have a heart condition n get sent home? that happens to my nephew? Can he quit or just fixs himself?
So what if u quit after u graduate basic training???
I was in the USAF for twenty years !! Ibroke my middle two fingers in boot camp lucky it was near the end they just graduated me and gave me 3 weeks off and I just did clerical work and when I was able sent me off to Sheppard Airforce base to do my training !! It was just an inconvenience
And being an Hold Over myself, we actually did 11 separate military Funerals both on post and off post in our class A's while we wait for the new class to start and we take our PT test with them. Me and the 7 other hold overs folded the flag, did the 21 gun solute and I was the present man who gave the folded flag to our DS and he presented that to the family. I have to say it was the most unique experience at the very beginning of my military career. Something many don't get to say. It was a very honorable thing to do.
I was weak...I quit about 7 years ago and am finally mature enough. I’m hoping I get back in.
Caleb McCammon hey man. I did that and got back in. Best decision ever made to go back in.
Daniel Evatt ya I can’t wait. My biggest obstacle right now is a DV charge so the lautenburg act took my gun rights. I’m told that in my case that should be all that’s stopping me and since my time is up, I just need to pay a lawyer a few hundred to square up. I just felt so unaccomplished and disappointed in myself for getting out, now at least I can see the goal post
Daniel Evatt how hard was it to come back in? Was it difficult getting a waiver?
Updates?
What happen if get injured before starting AIT school?
If I failed or quit BCT and came home, my dad will look at me sideways and SHH and tell me..you cannot handle boot camp!!!
This may sound stupid, but what happens if one says they quit, but then they change their mind?
Mind you, I don’t plan on doing that, but I am curious if you or anyone you know has seen that happen?
I plan on enlisting in the National Guard this year through split enlistment. Since I'm still in high school and I'll only have about 3 months of summer till the next school year starts, what happens if I fail a certain qualification and get recycled, but there's not enough time left before school to redo that part of the training? Would I wait until the following summer to take that part of training again, or would I have to start basic training over completely?
Not sure its fair to label someone with a torn muscle or broken something as a quitter. that's different infact the sticking it out till they can get back to it. has to be respected that is here in the UK
So how can one avoid injury?