IC3 Train Loading Onto the Ferry
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- čas přidán 2. 12. 2018
- What could be better than taking the train directly to the ship... Here we drive with a DSB IC3 in Puttgarden on the ferry "M / F Prins Richard" to get to the Danish Rødby; the train is on the "Vogelfluglinie" as EC from Hamburg Hbf to København H.
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The amazing bit for me is how they can get the ferry deck and rails so well aligned and still that there is no risk of derailing. I wonder if the situation is different in a storm?
Also really cool that the train locks into a coupler to keep it in place.
Might be to provide heat/AC/lights while the boat is moving.
Except when the coupler is way off and they have to bang on it with a sledgehammer ‼️
@@jappedut9009 its europe, they've probably found a more sophisticated way.
@@dfwrider3830 yea, like skinheads using their foreheads…
@@jappedut9009 that's a Scharfenberg coupler. that couplers don't need to be aligned 100% to grab into each other.
And well, he don't derail because he is only going 10 km/h. Derailings happen because a train is too fast for the track curvature and gets carried "out of the tracks". So by going slow the danger isn't there, the boogies can adjust to the track curvature
This was the last Danish train-ferry. They stopped operating on the 14th of December 2019.
Sad, I really wanted to see this!
I've ridden this ferry 3x if not more back in 70s might not be this exact ferry my farther was a international truck/lorry driver from Cadwallender,s UK I was7 yrs old and loved catching many ferries most of all train carrying one's they are so rare😊😊😊
I was a guard in the 90,s Train Load Freight based at Bescot. One of the jobs i worked was the Langley green tanks containing very dangerous contents white phosphorus tanks and chlorine tanks they came over on the boat train from Belgium.
Now that's a sight I never thought to see, thank you !
I did that route in 1996 with the older ferries. Engine and coaches, the train was so long that once on board they had to split it, pull the rear half back a bit and shunt it alongside on to another line on the deck. The end of the ship was actually open unlike this one and the buffer stops lowered on beams. Interesting experience.
I really miss the trips with trains on the danish ferries. In particular over Storebælt. That was the best part of the whole journey between sjælland and jylland. Now, while the bridge is a marvelous construction, it's also rather boring that the entire crossing is over in a couple of minutes and the train doesn't even cross the hanging portion of the bridge, but just drives through a tunnel.
I don't speak Danish, but I understood the bit where he asked for the signal to be cleared! 😊
Puttgarden, been there in 1990 as a child. Great memories for the trains and whole machinery and infrastructure 😊 still got that golden coin with the ICE1 from the tourist shop
Living in the Puget Sound region of Washington State, USA, our car and truck ferries certainly cannot do trains. Amazing technology. Never seen this before and it’s really cool!.
Railroad car floats are not that high tech, they've been around for a while, though they are getting less common as time passes. In the US I think Penn Central had car floats in Michigan and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey still runs car floats across the Hudson between Brooklyn and NJ. In all cases in the USA, car floats are or were only for freight AFAIK. Europe has some that accommodate passenger trains, like this one connecting Germany with Denmark, but there's also a car float connecting Sicily with the Italian mainland that accommodates passenger trains including night sleepers. The main problem is that the ferry has to be specially designed for the service (you can't just use a "normal" ferry) and I don't think it's particularly efficient or cheap to run, hence bridges and tunnels are normally used.
This was the Hamburg - Copenhagen service. It was suspended a couple of years ago to allow for construction of an 18 km/11 miles undersea tunnel (which required closure of the railway that led to the harbours). AFAIK the only remaining regular passenger train ferry in the world is the one to Sicily (Rome to Palermo and Catania). There are still some freight train ferries though.
@@seanC3i A company in Mobile, AL just built two modern train ferries for use between Mobile, AL & Southern Mexico.
Though these videos in this playlist czcams.com/play/PL7L5L0We2UvZXhoZxTZB0mPdKHnVbAP3y.html are from the 60's to early 80's, they have shots of Great Lake Car Ferries. Car ferries of these were originally for train cars and where converted to carry autos on the top deck. I lived in Manitowoc in the 70's and watched them load/unload train cars from their 4 tracks inside.
@@MG-ff8eu Well, the ferry is still running and yes, at the moment there is a bus service between Lübeck and Puttgarden, also the IC services were cut of even before 2022 to prepare for the tunnel building.
The other possible rail ferry is by the way Gedser -> Rostock, but it's also not used for trains since two decades
I did this route in 1991. Went up to the outside decks for the crossing. Cool perspective on loading.
Ah that's pretty cool, the train couples onto the inside of the ship!
Neat as didn't think it coupled to the ship but makes sense
Yeah, this really surprised me. Very nice solution to keep the train in place.
Back in 2001 I was on this EC from Hamburg HBF to Kopenhagen C. Amazing to see a train going on a ship. And what I did not know, that it couples in a Scharfenberg coupling that is fixed to the ships haul. We passengers stayed on board the train until it stopped in the ship. We had to leave the train and went up the deck enjoying the sail over the Femer Belt. This had come to an end now. In a couple of years the tunnel will be ready and trains will whizz underneath the Belt. Tnx for sharing.
Sad that the line is now closed but for anyone interested in decaying railway infrastructure DSB have allowed the stabling facility north of the terminal to become a nature reserve. Great photos to be had.
What is the replacement for this?
@@oadka - there's a rail/road tunnel under construction but it will take at least 6 more years to complete... currently trains go the long way around over the Belt bridges
@@steve1978ger That's for the Tunnel itself. Upgrading the Rail Line and Highway Road in Germany will take anywthing between 20 Years and not at all, because of NIMBYs halting such Projects indefinitely. Germany still is debating where and how to build these Lines, or even if they should be built at all. Meaning to say the Tunnel will be very useless, just like the Gotthard Base Tunnel in Switzerland is right now and the Brenner Base Tunnel in Austria will be, for the same Reasons.
Used that service around 8 years ago whilst traveling from Germany to Sweden by train, was a pretty smooth experience 😎
Not sure where this is filmed, but at the crossing between Germany and Denmark (Rodby), the ship engages with some giant clamps on the dockside to hold it steady. The dock is well-protected and the seaway looks quite shallow, so it is all possible. I was watching the train pull into the ship on the CCTV on the bridge - fascinating and unreal.
That was filmed in Puttgarden on the german island of Fehmarn.
There's a hook or spanner looking beam in the bowgate, with holes through the beams. Where hydraulic ram pins through to secure it to the dock.
And ferries usually always have a few procent power towards the dock, to make sure it stays in place.
If the crew throw ropes over, then they'll hold it
Took a night train from Denmark to Germany at that crossing back in 1993, interesting experience.
I've never seen something like that before.
Thanks for this.
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Is there an "unloading" video?
Amazing and so satisfying to watch.
Per noi in Italia spettacolo comune e giornaliero. Tra Sicilia e Calabria. Fino a qualche anno fa anche tra Lazio e Sardegna. Occasionalmente tra Sicilia e Sardegna. La differenza è che la motrice è in coda e non imbarca.
Faccevano questo anche tra Francia e Inghilterra, prima della costruzione del Tunnel della Manica. Era un più po' difficile, a causa delle maree
I do not know why but this is fascinating.
If I was that signaller with the radio I couldn't resist going "more to the left, ya, there you go" when the train goes through the curve in the tracks.
Ive seen them do this in Alaska as well but still seems crazy to see a train rolling onto a ferry just like a car.
With that first in line truck parked past its limit line, wondered if it was going to keep its mirror.
I used to ride those trains between Hamburg and Copenhagen. Some days, the weather was so windy, rocking the ship greatly. Some people didn't take it too well and ended up with green faces.
I think they are now sending trains through Jutland and across bridges between Germany and Copenhagen.
Wow, this amazing 😮
Bloody brilliant
Go to wellington and picton in new zealand, been doing this for over 70 years.
Never read or seen a train loading on a ferry, nice surprise... 🤔
there used to be many crossings the Mississippi, the idea is old only the safety and equipment have changed.
Freight trains going in or out of Alaska are carried by ferry, because there is no rail connection over land.
They used to have regular train ferry traffic between Wisconsin and Michigan in the US.
Truly impressive. It sounds like a something crazy... but it has sense! Although I read that this part of the trip is history since December 2019.
I have been on a train on a ferry twice in 2000 & 2017. In 2000, we were allowed to stay on the train during the trip, while in 2017, we were required to leave the train and go to the upper deck during the trip.
This is Terrific and Unique 😀🙏🏻
Sad that this service was discontinued shortly after this video was posted.
Will be a few more years before the replacement tunnel is ready…
Thankfully there's a similar system in Italy between Sicily and Calabria. That one won't be replaced any time soon.
Thats not ICE! It is IC3. The danish IC3.
I can confirm. I have been on the ICE TD Hamburg-Copenhagen myself. This is not how an ICE should look like.
@@ChristianoLord9 if you took the ferry I think it should've been an Ice TD. As you can see in the video there's no overhead wire.
The sadly short lived ICE TD was a Diesel-powered ICE and and based on the ICE T.
The ICE T, TD, 3, 3M, 3MS and 3neo look sonewhat similar.
@@IamTheHolypumpkin in fact, I mislabeled it. It indeed was an ICE TD.
Oh. I thought that IC3 is another way of saying ICE 3. Thanks for clarifying!
for anyone interested in riding a train on a ferry the last operating in Europe are the daily services to Sicilia in Italy.
That's amazing.
This is nothing new and trains, or part of trains, have been loaded onto ferries for a hundred years. Back in the 1920's The Golden Arrow train ran from Waterloo station overnight to Paris. The coaches were loaded onto a ferry and collected by SNCF locomotive for the run to Paris. Passengers got on the train in London and got off in Paris. This service ran well into the 1970's.
I wrote this in a school essay that the Golden Arrow train went on to the ferry. My teacher said it wasn't true. Ha! What do some teachers know?!
The teacher couldn't accept being taught by the pupil for once!! 😂
@@timhubbard8895 Maybe your teacher (who is probably very old by now) gets to read this! If they are I suggest that they should have checked their facts before making such emphatic pronouncements! lol
The Golden Arrow did not take the ferry. The english and french trains were two seperate trains. Only the passengers took the ship.
The train that did go by ferry was the Wagon-Lits Night Ferry that ran from London Victoria to Paris. It was split in two parts on the ferry. A french loco pulled it on the french side to Paris.
The Golden Arrow also ran from Victoria, not Waterloo.
The tidal range must be pretty small where train ferries exist. Either that, or there must be some very precise ballasting operations going on while loading and unloading. Otherwise the gradients on the link spans would be too large for rolling stock. I took trains on ferries for granted when I was a child, but when I think about it, they are actually a remarkable feat of engineering getting the track aligned so precisely.
Balic sea..
Nice video, could you please share the video of the coming out from the vessal. Love from India. ❤
cool video
i was on it some years ago when this happened amazing
Very nicely put together video and very entertaining as well. Thanks for posting this.
What does the orange W signify (just before the road crossing). You do see them all over Germany, particularly in stations and freight yards. Any answer would be appreciated, thanks. Interesting video,well filmed.
Most likely Whistle/Horn , but since the flagman was in the middle of the road the locomotive operator didn't need to use it.
@@josephbennett3482 No no, that's a P-sign for Pfeifen = Whistle. The W-sign stands for Wartezeichen and means a train has to stop their shunting until they get permission to continue. In this case, I guess they already asked for permission when going through the signal at the start.
Thanks very much “ Wartezeichen” makes sense.
I couldn't see any floating device to keep the rails aligned for any movement between the boat and the dock. Is there one that I just couldn't see, or are the rails all just fixed?
The ramp begins at the red signal and ends at the ship, where the blue floor begins.
I'm guessing that the ferry locks into place on the dock so it doesn't swivel and bounce with the water then whenever they're ready to leave the dock workers release it and it can go on it's way.
How do the tracks on land line up with the ferry boat?
Might be a system that locks the ferry to the dock
There is a moveable apron that adjusts it's height with the tide. The vessel is moored in the normal manner
@@johncox2284 Aren't the Fehmarnbelt Ferries moored by Hydraulic Arms; kinda like an Excavator grabbing them? Because "regular" Mooring with Lines would take too long for their 45/15-Minute-Schedule. Anyway, These Ferries are amazingly manouverable, and that's how they line up to the Tracks. Or used to until the Train Line was closed.
@@Genius_at_Work Not sure. The car ferry operations I have seen use mooring lines.
IC3 not ICE :-) Great video though :-)
you are both right. It isa IC3 train-set however the route is an ICE-route ;-)
@@matthiasfuglsang-damgaard6684 If the train is a IC3, the routes name is EC=EuroCity. If the train is ICE-TD, the route is ICE=InterCityExpress
So this is IC3 on a EC route. Nothing to do with ICE. By the way, ICE-TD stopped its service in 2017.
What powers the train when loading, I don't see a catenary?
Based on the near vertical windshield, that doesn't appear to by an ICE locomotive. When I took the reverse route (Copenhagen to Hamburg) last month, they used a diesel locomotive for that trip.
The DSB IC3 Are Diesel engines
@@erikgag yes
Its diesel
It is a train-set with 4*400 HP diesel engines.
A short history:
The train was design specifically for the danish national rail network. With a length of 58,80 m it fits perfectly into all train ferries in Denmark. Once there were alot of them. Unfortunately the last train ferry has just left the harbor for the last time. (the one in this video.)
However this design meant that a train of 4 train sets could leave Copenhagen Central Station as one single train. Then it arrived at Korsør Harbor to board the Great Belt ferry the train would split up by it self. No men needed on the ground. Each train set powered by its own engines would then drive onto the ferry without any extra help saving a lot of time.
In Nyborg the train would then be assembled again and continue west. Often each train set would have its own destination (eg. Århus, Struer, Aalborg, Odense) and they would therefore split up again to go into less populated areas, or just terminate early (Odense and Aarhus are often early terminal station for single train-sets).
Me encanta, me recuerda al TRD 594 de renfe
There must be something ancoring the ferry to the dock for this to be possible surely
if you looked closely you may have seen the pivot points on the ramp for when the water lever changes.
That's what mooring lines are for.
Europe is so innovative!
there's not much innovative about it ... by now it's outdated and the line was shut down few years ago
Damn, not much hood on that thing.
Nope. The IC3 trainsets are very, very flat fronted. It's actually one of their features in that the front of the train is a doorway, and the control stand can swing up and out of the way. This allows a train to split mid-journey with the back portion going one direction and the front going another. Or for a train to combine somewhere enroute. I was on such a train from Vejle to Copenhagen, and the train I boarded was 3 cars long. Somewhere along the way, perhaps in more than a few spots, our train became closer to 12 cars because when we disembarked at Copenhagen, the train was far longer, and I have no idea where.
Wow.
Train+Ship DMU
How was it getting powered?
The train is powered by diesel engines. On board the ferry it is supplied with electricity via the coupling.
The Train is Diesel-Mechanic with a 12-Gear Automatic Transmission, the Ferry is Diesel-Electric but with additional Batteries, making it a Hybrid. Reason is that the Ferries there (4 Ships on that Route) spend 15 Minutes in Port and then 45 Minutes at Sea over an over again. So they have high Power Consumption at Sea and low Power Consumption while in Port, meaning to say the Diesel Generators have strong Load Changes every few Minutes. Replacing one Engine by a large Battery allows to run the Engines at steady Load instead, charging the Batteries while in Port and drawing extra Power while at Sea, especially while accelerating and stopping. This saves about 10% Fuel and reduces Emissions by a much greater Factor.
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thats a big ass ferry
that's actually a rather small ferry
The train connects to the ships front door to avoid putting the hand brake on.
And to supply it with electricity.
Neci train rute
Thats not an ICE
None of the trucks on the right were tied down/secured to the deck! Wouldn't like to be on that ferry in rough seas...
It seems like this is some small ferry for short voyages (i.e. on the other side of river or canal), so they won't have the opportunity to be on rough seas :P
@@mwitbrot It's the ferry beetween Puttgarden and Rödbye (Germany/Denmark) not a channel or river but open sea - around one hour travel.
Trucks are never tied down to the deck. If you need to move cargo over rough seas, you use a container ship
@@mwitbrot it is over the Baltic sea but the trip takes only 45mins and you just have to place it in Neutral with Parking Barke set even on my 3hour ferry trip to Norway we just had to put the car in neutral and set the parking brake
@@thefrub but there are RORO ships that take cargo and this cargo is tied down
batam ke Singapore train ferry
c'est nouveau ça ? le train rentre dans le bateau
Non c'est pas nouveau et c'est fini maintenant, les ICE (TGV allemands) faisaient ça pour relier Hambourg et Copenhague jusqu'en 2019. Un tunnel va ouvrir d'ici 2019 pour remplacer ce service.
Les trains Paris-Londres faisaient ça aussi autrefois.
Very good but should of got off and filmed the train.
Buffers
That was the longest train horn I have ever heard.
Interesting idea but you can walk quicker to the boat than this.
That's not the point. The point is that the train can continue the journey on the other side.
You can leave your luggage in the train. Originally these line was used to haul freight cars as well, just like the Helsingör- Hälsingborg ferry.
So glad were getting the new fehmarhn tunnel, so we can stop wasting time riding slow ferries, which are so bad for the environment. The tunnel should’ve been built only for trains with 4 tracks though, but at least this will be quite a shortcut, with the train still going almost twice as fast as the cars, though only 125mph from copenhagen to hamburg is just so 60+ years ago, it should be 180mph, with no stops between Hamborg and copenhagen, cause onl❤y they have a decent population size.
Yes we need more speed, so we can be more productive do more and die of a heart attack because we were so efficient! And the new crossing of course had no impact at all on the environment, green concrete, steel and plastics were used for construction.😂 and not a drop of Diesel from all electric powered construction equipment❤ 4:25
And the tunnel is good, you think?
#PenangIslandFerry!!!
Santa clara ruined that
That is a very large boat to hold that much amount of traffic and a passenger train o,O;