Nissan Leaf ePlus (64kWh) - Oh Dear! Nissan Have Screwed Up Again!
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- čas přidán 1. 08. 2024
- It's the Nissan Leaf ePlus! As an owner of 2 previous Leafs I should be a fan of this car, at risk of spoiling the ending, I'm not!
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You've highlighted the problem with the legacy manufacturers, they don't listen to their customers they know best.
It's very much a Japanese corporate issue, not just in cars but in just about every industry and is why the likes of Nikon in the camera field and JR in the RC field are struggling or have folded.
Nissan created something brilliant when they made the first leaf and now when electric cars are starting to take off ( so to speak) they give up when they could have really forged ahead and took a massive share of the electric market.
Agreed they need to get off their butt
ID3 has made this completely irrelevant! Why has Nissan thrown everything away?
BMW is not much better
Lack of leadership. My Nissan dealer has been amazing, and we hated the bolt, so it’s why we went with the plus (no Niros or konas here). S+ was 10K more for base option. Similar range all things included. Propilot is pretty good.
Nissan in the car ev market are like Apple in the smartphone market Same old and charge heaps..
Wait for the next generation EV from Nissan -
Yes, came to the same conclusion so bought a Model 3.
At the beggining he wishes half the price, not 10k more ;)
Such a shame we had a leaf but needed more range then the tesla came out and its light years ahead
Under 40k and 0-60 in 5.5 sec and the sat nav and charging infrastructure just work
As owner of 24kw Leaf - I always thought that my second EV will be a long range Leaf.
But 100% agree with you - ordered Model 3 instead.
Irek do you need pass driving test still for electric cars?
@@kirsakaboom-5960 yes, I think full autonomy is at least a decade or two away
@Barry Goldwater Not sure if you ask about Leaf or Tesla.
Leaf was purchased 3.5 years ago so prices changed since then - but it was 1 year old ex-demo car and costed 12.5k.
Model 3 costed 39k, still waiting for the delivery though
It's not affordable for the average man that's a luxury price for a non luxury car without decent technology of thermal management
If the id3 lives up to the claims then I think Nissan won't be sell I many leafs at 36k anymore .
Lack of thermal battery management and price kills it for me.
there is thermal management, coolant runs through the battery
@@dgdgjasonallen1091 there is zero active cooling in new 62kwh version, bravo Nissan
Yep so disappointed with this, I was poised to buy one but no thermal management, no chance. Without a decent BMS battery vehicles are useless.
@@boloborkowski9429 I have no idea about thermal battery management but how important is it? Obviously I am going to Google and CZcams this after I make this comment but is there a difference between the 64 and 40kWh versions? I suppose that in the 64kWh it's more important but what about the 40kWh version? Is the cooling, that
dgdgjason allen mentioned, enough?
I understand some of the technology that goes into Li-On batteries that are in smartphones. Is it significantly different in EVs?
@@NimbleBard48 More sophisticated EVs have liquid cooled batteries, which means better performance in super cold weather, and the battery won't overheat in super hot weather or if you are using fast charging. Ultimately whether that applies to you depends on your use case. If you do plan on using it for long trips, or live in extreme weather climates, then something like a Tesla 3 might be better with its actively cooled battery. OTOH, if you use it as a commuter car, mostly use regular charging at home (level 1 or level 2), and live in relatively temperate climate, it might not matter at all.
Check you local prices. The MSRP is the same as the Model 3, however, there's no haggling to be had with Tesla, and their $7500 federal tax credit has already ran out. However, due to slow sales, you might be able to get a Leaf for 5000 off MSRP, and then add the federal tax credit on top of that, and the Leaf may cost more than 10K USD cheaper than a Model 3. In that scenario, I'd probably go for the Leaf.
No thermal battery management! That alone is enough reason to reject the Leaf.
Especially if you live in a climate where it's extra hot or cold, like northern Norway or Australia
Agent Smith or Canada
Yup.
Most of the US has the same problem.
Not for everyone - where I reside it is the perfect choice.
The piano black finish is only there to drive the OCD insane!
I have a 2012 leaf and I had so much hope for this version but I think I will buy a model 3 rather than waste my money on the “new” leaf
EVM: Produces a video
*Nissan has left the chat*
*_Nissan has lost the plot._*
@@RWBHere that was after the 40kwh leaf was revealed
Nearly fell over a Leaf a few weeks ago on the motorway, he was clocking 40 mph trying to get to the services for a plug in and lunch, he could wash up they will have plenty of time
Oh come on... don't sit on the fence, do you like it or not ???
(Hiding behind keyboard)
He likes it as much as the other, but he is disappointed on the differential between the hype and reality, and it's a rip off, (like anyone, secretly) he wishes he could punch the marketing guy that spew this bullshit.
You get a kick ass Merc for that money or indeed a Tesla.
Wait.... so he kinda liked the steering wheel and actually liked the speedo 👍👍👍
@@MyWorldRS No he actually didn't like the speedo, only the steering wheel. Actually I think that the steering wheel is the only salvageable thing in there. At that price I get a second hand Merc and pay for my petrol, insurance and tax for years.
Ben Adams cant the cockwomble reply himself or areyou the one that pulls his strings
@@joeking1823 Hm.. the answers are on the video, I was just trying to help, go munch on a crayon?
A superb second hand buy at today’s prices - very different from the price points and value on offer when this review was created. Proven reliability, decent dealer network and now an awful lot of car for the money.
I have just come to the same conclusion after a comparative test drive in the MG 4 Trophy. MG has a more sporty drive but is a bit fidgety on rougher roads. Leaf is a more comfortable and relaxing drive. As you say the Leaf LR is an awful lot of car for the money. The new wheels of the facelift Leaf are great - very Sierra Cosworth! (You only get plastic wheel trims on the MG).
The ability to instantly drop into 'B' breaking mode on the gear selector of the Leaf beats making sure your screen is on the right page then reaching over to select a small icon from the other 4 driving modes of the MG. (One of the configurable buttons can be programmed for this function but you then have to cycle through all 5 drive modes to get back to mode 1 - the equivalent to 'D' on the Leaf).
Other comments - MG 4 interior very dark (black headlining) and very little view through the rear mirror.
The MG has a 'trigger' accelerator which makes for rapid power delivery - but the Leaf delivers its power in a more refined way. (Because of this and the choppy ride the MG made me a bit queezy over undulating bumps as feedback to my right foot seemed to gave a pulsating power effect.
Due to all the positive videos about the MG 4 I expected to love it - as it is I am now back on the solid, reliable Leaf LR for a 2 year old, second hand buy.
@philbattye - What you have mentioned is a great synopsis 👏 What I didn’t mention in my comment (but is highly relevant to your points) is that I sold my Mk1 Leaf and bought a brand new MG4 as well! Due to issues you have mentioned (and many more with the MG4) I stepped out of it and went back to a Nissan Leaf. The Leaf just simply works and most people could be forgiven for expecting any modern EV to work. But they don’t all work the same or as well as one another. And that’s before you get to their Apps and additional functionality. For wider context, I also have a Tesla, which operates superbly too - however should be no surprise, given both manufacturers have been in the EV market since pretty much the beginning. I wish more people knew and understood the significance of this, especially given the complexity of electric vehicles. Thanks for your comment, I hope people can thoroughly experience and test their chosen EVs to be able to make to make purchase decisions that they will remain happy with - we are in a joint revolution of technology and vehicles as we move to zero emissions. And just in case anyone is wondering - ChaDeMo may be an outgoing standard and part of the fabric of the Leaf. But only a relevant future consideration if you need to rapid charge regularly - and otherwise the Leaf simply still nails it every other area (especially true of the higher specification Tekna models). The biggest thing, is it actually works as a car and an EV - sadly the same cannot be said for all EVs!
And, just to add, there now appears to be a working adaptor for Chademo to CCS-2 (from China of course). Expensive at the moment ~£1,500 but will probably come down. This potentially allows access to all chargers in the UK - Chademo, CCS and, eventually? Tesla!
After owning a Leaf 24kw, 30kw and 40kwh versions we have now moved onto a Kia E-Niro. Since 2013 I have had a very positive experiences with all our Nissans, but other manufacturers have moved ahead now so we have moved too.
Just bought a 2014 leaf for $8.5k and love it so far... But I have a question - are you buying a new car every 2-3 years and selling the old one? Because it seems like you would be taking a big hit each time since cars lose so much value... Is it that money is no object or do you have it worked out with a tax rebate to break even or something? (Not that having more EVs in the world is a bad thing, just wondering - I'm the kind of guy who buys a car used and drives it into the ground, so I'm interested to understand what's going on for someone buying new cars regularly)
@@itWouldBeWise That's why they are virtually disposable cars. The battery fails below 80,000 miles. I was thinking about getting a used leaf because I was told rebuild 24 kwh battery would be $2800. There's no rebuilt batteries anywhere. I was told a new battery would be $5400. Nissan raised the price to $8500 plus installation. Figured the price of the battery every 80,000 miles and the calculations came up to the same as if you drove a vehicle getting 14 miles per gallon. Then you have to add on the surcharges on tags, which is currently $120 extra per year going to $500 per year in the next few years. I priced a used Tesla with a bad battery, guess what, it's $24,000 plus installation and the insurance is almost triple what my current vehicle is. It's pretty obvious EV cars are expensive disposable toys. I really wanted one, but I wanted to save money too, not spend more.
Bryan Hensley Your information on battery life is incorrect. I own a 2013 Leaf with 85k miles and have only lost 2 bars. The battery life is supposed to be closer to 30 years than gauged in miles.
K Chris my 2013 Leaf 24 kwh, 60k miles lose two bars and leaf spy showing available 15 kWh
@@Bryan-Hensley ya. Not like I'm in the market for a car but I'll be waiting some more years before I get one also.
You say it as it is, I like that. Your review is to the point and honest, and there is nothing to refute. Keep up the good work.
Hey. I had the 62kwh foe 6months now. We bought it because of the biggest booth of the conpact class. And 3 screws and a socet and the the subwoofer is out. Its more than good enough for daily use.
Spot on comments. We have a 40kWh leaf. We call the sat nav "ShiteNav" it's that bad.
Glynn Hopkin my local dealer refused to acknowledge any battery management issues. Never ever buying a Nissan again.
Model 3 ordered, say no more.
P.S Crack on with Patreon, you have been doing this too long now to not give it a good go. J
Lowcarb Ev - Nissan doesn’t care what they sell. Here in the US, Nissan is failing fast, and the financial “analysts” are scratching their heads trying to figure out why. Here’s why: their cars are unreliable garbage and nobody wants to buy them. You only buy a Nissan once, unless you like making the same mistake twice. Scotty Kilmer looooves to trash (“rubbish” to you non-Yanks) their vehicles, especially that pile-of-shite CVT which Nissan refuses to fix.
Spot on with that review by the look of it.
yeah, sadly nissan has killed their EV lineup with this car. What a shame, I love my 30kwh leaf.
If you love the 30kwh Nissan Leaf you will be ecstatic driving the 62kwh Nissan Leaf Plus with twice the range and the horsepower! They were about the same price also with tax incentives. Do some homework people.
@@markdemaegd4058 62kwh leaf is almost 40k. 30kwh was 28.
@@markdemaegd4058 not to mention it doesn't have twice the range (or power). It seems you need revisit your "research"
@@wakkadakkaify Didn't you say you had a 2013 Nissan Leaf? That year had about 100 horsepower and a 100 mile range in the S trim , about $28,000 MSRP in 2013. My 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus, a much higher trim level has 214 horsepower and charges 226 miles everytime I charge it . MSRP was $42, 890. You cannot compare apples to oranges. I am quoting you as much truth as I can. I tried to do as much homework as possible which is still a lot more than most on the internet. Thanks, wakkadakkaify.
@@markdemaegd4058 I have a 2017 leaf which was 28k. New leaf is 40k (prices in £). What it charges to makes no difference. I get 100-120 miles out of my car, how much real range do you get ?
An honest appraisal of a design which is perhaps well past its sell-by date. The fact that it doesn't have active battery thermal management, especially after the fiasco of Rapidgate, is mind blowing.
Yeah pretty much nailed it. They squandered a huge advantage and then made a car far less affordable than it was back 8 years ago when batteries were far more expensive. Makes no sense to do what they’ve done.
That's the EV premium biting. These cars only cost a few thousand to make and sell including wages.
Normally cars get a 4-6× price multiplier, electric vehicles get a 1.5-2× additional price multiplier on top.
Car makers know we need BEVs to survive car makers legacy of fossil vehicles, so since there's a needed demand capitalism says raise the price.
“42,000 pounds for a Nissan Leaf”
The dirty money grabbing ... (Catherine Tate reference)
That's nothing,in Thailand we got a normal 40 Kwh battery Leaf with small ass dashboard for 51,000 pounds or almost 2 million THB and can't choose the trim here!
Can't even imagine the horror of people who got their battery overheated in our hot year round climate.
So we basically got the short end of stick model and then some.
no nonsense review. good stuff!
I got 18000 Discount for the 62kwh Leaf. In the end the price was a lot cheaper than all the competitors. More comparable to a Zoe. For that price it was a no brainer.
Also the price is double that of a N series I30 warm hatch.
After your experience with the ambassador scheme, I'm surprised you are dealing with Nissan at all!
Absolutely agree with you 100% being a 2018 leaf owner I’d me crazy to even consider the e-plus as my next car. Imagine paying luxury car tax for the e-plus?? That’s laughable
Bravo totally agree I have a 30kwh my wifes had 2 40kwh previously load rubbish replaced them with kia niro which is amazing love my 30kwh it's a proper Yorkshire mans car it does exactly what it's meant to . I actually found another 30kwh 2017 with 500miles total unicorn put a deposit on it hopefully pick up at the end of next week
Love your honesty
Yet to find a positive review of the e+
As a fellow leaf owner (lease) I feel exactly the same sense of let-down. My 40kw is great for now, but no way would I “upgrade” to this.
I own the exact same model of Leaf as you. And also just like you, it is my second Leaf. And like you it will be my last for all of the same reasons.
They are a great second hand buy. Increasing number of non franchised businesses able to upgrade and repair. Reliability is good compared to the new kids on the block. I don’t get hung up on similarities with the older model. It may be the perfect go to car for first time EV drivers.
yep. the used Leaf price has dropped like a bomb and they're still far more reliable than any EV on the market. I want a nice car thats nice to drive and won't let me down. Thats what the Leaf is.
😢
Best review so far!... and new jumper too!... look forgot the next one.
I recently got the 40kwh on a lease and I think it's great. The interior seems the same as the e+ and I'm very happy with it, maybe I'd feel different if I'd had an older version if it's that similar but I think it's nice. Not sure why you care so much about the feel of the plastic above the dash? I'm pretty sure I've never cared about that. I'd heard the in car map was a bit rubbish but I've got apple car play so that's a non issue.
Don't think the e+ is worth the extra money and glad I don't have the stupid bose box in my boot though.
Ben Jones he loves to make leaf videos bashing nissan and the leaf. I have a 2012 and like it. One thing i will point out that he is missing. Nissan never said they would change the shape or interior from the 40 kwh leaf to the 62 kwh leaf since it just came out in 2018. All they said they would add to the 62 kwh battery not a completely designed car from 2018 to 2019.i like the new shape. Interior doesn’t bother me. And my god when reviewing a car dont scratch or knock on the plastic it is not a luxury car. My 2012 was 36,000 if new but i paid 12000 used. So how does he expect to get a 62 kwh battery at the 2012 price of a 24 kwh battery.
A fully loaded Leaf, is more than my brand new BMW 5 Series M Sport 😂 And as for those Tick Tack plastic panels, oh dear.
Your 5 series probably needs more fuel than 2 litres per 100km.
@@novacolonel5287 and I would rather pay the fuel and drive the BMW 5 series
Mark Bennett ... I’m certainly no BMW fan, but have to agree with you there👍🏻👍🏻
That cant be true. New bmw M5 costs at least 90 000.
matej škafar ... Yes but just think how much cable your going to need for the Leaf if you want to go anywhere 😳😳
That’ll cost a fortune per metre 🤣🤣
Great video again, thanks waiting until next year and going to buy a second-hand model s and import it into Ireland. Very different choices over here fewer options and way way more expensive, model 3 starts at 49000 euro after the government grants!!!
Yep totally agree with every point you made. It kinda shocked me when I found out the front doors are EXACTLY same parts as the original!!! When you consider HOW much this car now costs it doesnt seem very good value for money at all? Doesnt sound like they have improved the sound insulation in the wheel arches either. As you went through those puddles I can tell its exactly same as my leaf!
Absolutely bang on the nail.
Instead of bringing out the 60, just get the 40 to a sub £ 20k
There a market at that price
Thing that kills it for me is no CCS socket.
Not a problem for me. Where I live, we have no CCS chargers.
Keep it up. More tests like this and the discounts are going to be tremendous!
I drive a 2019 40kwh Nissan Leaf and do agree with some of the design flaws. The glossy panels greatly annoy me, I have been looking for a vinyl wrap of some sort that will cover the area but can only find them for left hand drive Leafs. I have halogen headlights in mine and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever that Nissan decided to include halogen anything in the new Leaf, its very backwards in my opinion and I wasn't going to pay the extra 1300 quid it costs to get LED's. Just out of curiosity - the infotainment software seems a lot better in the leaf + than it does in the 40kwh, can it be updated in my leaf or am I stuck with an interface that looks like it came out of 2009?
Just leased a Leaf e+ Sv model in the states. Love the vehicle, pro pilot is fantastic.
The e+ is more like a crossover then the model 3, which is too low to the ground for seating for me. Also the M3 has a trunk instead hatch.
Yes, it is expensive, but it’s a great car not just an ev.
I like it, but the problem is its price puts it in direct competition with much more capable Vehicles like the Kona and the E Nero, and to be frank on long road trips the lack of active thermal management kills it for me. I love my 2012 leaf, but when i upgrade in a couple years will probably be looking elsewhere.
We like our Plus. The price after all the discount programs was reasonable. In Illinois we have no state discount, so my total after federal rebate for our SV with Tech and cold weather for a few pennies over 30K USD. In some states you can get the Plus for 25K. 40K Pounds is crazy talk, agreed it’s too much. No Kona or Niro in the Midwest. It’s Leaf, Bolt, and 3 only.
@@douglasalanthompson you can get those cars if you're willing to shop used or make a road trip, only issue is there's no dealer support for those vehicles, which is why I went for a leaf instead of a soul EV
@@douglasalanthompson 30k for a plus is pretty impressive especially an sv.
Exactly. My local Kia said they can’t support the Niro, so we went Leaf as well. It works well, but you have to drive carefully to do over 210-220 on the highway.
Nissans in general have a bad reputation here in Australia.
Australians have a pretty bad reputation outside Australia.
Excellent review! Greatings from Portugal
Great video as always
One thing though I was looking through autotrader and eBay you can pick up a Tesla model s for less than this Leaf 26000 upwards I had a 24 kw Leaf but sadly the lease finished I went back to Nissan they offered me such a low price for a part ex I went else were I wouldn’t buy from Nissan again there service was shocking
Spot on - We were so disappointed with this new Leaf - so we are keeping our 30kW 2017 Leaf which is our 2nd one and has been awesome.
Congratulations! You're the king of environmentalists: Buying a car every year is highly ecological! But you guys are all the same phoneys!
Juri Vlk means another cheaper EV for the second hand market, so that’s a good thing.
@@Nobody_Famous Most stupid quote ever!
still no thermal battery management.
Excellent review. I have owned 2 Leafs and was planning to get the much promised longer range version due out in 2017 originally. This is shocking and it’s no wonder Nissan are in trouble. Recently tested the new MG EV. Very nice and half the price of the E+ (fully spec’d admittedly).
Look at the wages the Chinese get paid, how can anyone compete with them. Support local markets if you can.
Loved the review :)
"Lazy facelift" that's the Nissan way, their whole lineup is a decade old
yes and before that, nothing at all, one presumes
Nissan Last 10years make crap sorry but painful truth. If not Renault Nissan will be dead.
I like the Nissan qashqai
@Tristan Trotman All vehicle refreshes are updated as is the Nissan Leaf Plus. Is it perfect, no. Does it have a bigger battery and more horsepower, yes. Does the Nissan Leaf Plus compete with almost all pure electric vehicles on the market, yes. No quality problems whatsoever.
Excuse me, but if any car company made a perfect vehicle there would never be any improvements. Tell me if I'm wrong. Please be specific because I am not Jay Leno but almost as acknowledged. I subscibe to 4 automobile magazines. Well, maybe not. I love Jay Leno by the way.
I think you should do this review again . Do it from the point of view you never owned a Nissan Leaf ,because that will be the reality for most people thinking of changing over from an ice. So the copied interior and exterior won’t bother many , the price is a problem to be fair . Review it like someone is changing over from there diesel focus . Prices aside I think it’s a nicer car than your giving credit for .
I stated in the video that it’s not a bad car but it’s way overpriced. Although it’s less efficient than all of it’s rivals.
the microphone you're using lately is a big improvement over what you used before. Nice
Got an SL+ new for $20,000 less than the cheapest Model 3. For that price, this is an amazingly good vehicle.
Renault has 43.4% stake in Nissan...... I would rather catch the bus than drive a Renault!
It’s not just Nissan that Renault have a helping hand with but a certain German marque has more to do with Renault than they want there customers to believe
For that price and the features, it's like as good as a 3 legged race horse with ancestor tree - in comparison to a Model 3.
Bye bye Nissan, die quietly, please.
Totally agree with your thoughts on this car.
So with the extra weight of the battery did they upgrade the suspension, anticipating the extra weight distribution from the battery
I've got a 2019 Leaf40 and the three things that would put me off the e+ are : No thermal management, ChaDemo charging and of course the price. I had a 24 before and would say the 40 is a big step up in quality.
Pål Unanue-Zahl it’s the last of a series - I assume it was more cost effective for Nissan to stick with improving the same platform and technology till the end. I dare to speculate that the next generation EV from Nissan will be having different solutions.
Chandemo is readily available in the UK.
@captain pugwash the government want your tax. If electric takes off it just means paying more upfront and probably per mile driven one day.
They don't care about the environment.
I think that a petrol hybrid like the BMW i3 would be cheaper and better for most localish journeys. As long as it does not have a BMW badge and price.
Electrics are simple. It all comes down to profits and taxes.
Johnathan Pearson
It seems to be the old betamax vhs thing here I have visited quite a few charge points where the ccs part is out of action and chademo has been ok And I believe chademo is a two way system as in leaf to grid But eventually there will only be one
@@Filtermandave hopefully. I hope the winner is open to all too. Remember betamax had better quality pictures. VHS won because it could record longer and was cheaper. Same goes for charging, the kw output and the price.
Silly to think the government is so slow to install charge points that cost 15k when petrol stations cost 1m.
No thermal battery management and for all that money!
What happened with the steering wheel? It looks like it's 100k Miles Used. 🤔
I have the a 2022 40kwh leaf Tekna, great car for what I paid, £19k with 7500 mileS on it. I bought and sold a Tesla model 3 earlier this year. Wasn’t worth the 42k I paid IMO. The leaf drives better in terms of comfort, and is a much better build quality. I have a friend who have been using a 40kwh leaf for 4 years as a UBER taxi. It’s done over 180,000 miles with no issues or repairs needed. Not even brake pads
I'm seriously considering the MZ ZS EV since your last video, and then you mention it again now. Hmmm... I'd still need to cover 30k miles to recover the equivalent fuel costs, but there seems to be lots of vehicles on the horizon. Think the Kia e-Nero ticks more boxes, especially on the range. Decisions, decisions...
Presumably you will cover 30K miles eventually, so that's no problem. And it's not just about the costs - it's about pollution and noise and climate change and just being the right thing to do (if you aren't going to just switch to a bike :-)
@@xxwookey
Electric cars are very expensive and very polluting to make.
And they still pollutes the air (although less than a ice car).
I mean yeah we could pay more in order to "preserve" the environnement but i don't think the small benefits of EVs justify that costs.
Bikes aren't a viable option for most people. (And EVs too actually)
Not the e-niro, please no :(
@@xxwookey Yeah 30k in user three years. Have decided to enter the world of EV ownership and have ordered an MG ZS EV for delivery next March.
You could by a BMW 140i for less and just think how much more fun would you have
paul watson - Both cars look great on the back of a tow truck....
Thanks for your Vidio the information you give it better then most on CZcams
Love the fact you pay proper attention to material quality. I feel this point is neglected a lot nowadays in car reviews. As long as the infotainment is huge reviewers seem to instantly forget to check the rest of the interior. Look at the new Peugeot 208 and VW ID3, material quality is exceptionally poor on the door cards but almost no one talks about it. Unacceptable for me.
That’s a 24k Car grossly overpriced. That surly won’t sell, a hard sell when Cars are coming onto the market superior and cheaper. Something a miss.
215HP? my friend just took delivery of a brand new fiesta ST (200HP) i cant wait to till him a Nissan Leaf is more powerful haha
Hyondi Kona E is 215 bhp, the KIA E niro is the same xD
I bought a 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus with 214 horsepower and it will smoke most vehicles on the road today! This guy has a couple of valid points but he must work for an electric vehicle competitor. Yes, the Nissan Leaf Plus is not a Tesla 3 Performance. The Leaf is not as fast or in that category as a Tesla. The Leaf has some hard plastic and its looks are not as nice as the Tesla Model 3. If you think the others have better charging systems than the Leaf then go for it. Yes, you can buy a gasoline car for half the price if you want but you get what you pay for. Go buy a Chevrolet Spark or another dog vehicle if that's what you want and can afford, it makes sense. Once you go electric you can't go back to an internal combustion engine vehicle.
The 214 horsepower Nissan Leaf Plus will smoke a 200 horsepower Ford Fiesta. The torque off the line of the Leaf is immediate and intense. The Leaf Plus is not Tesla Model 3 Performance fast but at about $20,000 less it's a good deal. If you can afford the Tesla Roadster it goes 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds. Quick is quick and faster is faster. The new Chevrolet Corvette is half that fast. Sorry. Electric vehicles are just superior.
@@markdemaegd4058 got to remember that the leaf top speed is something like 80or so where the ice car can do 120 so over 20 15 seconds or so the ice will win but then who goes 120?
@@Chappers.Gaming The 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus has a top speed of 100 mph and it gets there very quickly.
Great channel :) Not afraid of real critique unlike other car channels.
Totally agree with everything you have said, for a change😉 I got a 24 then a 30 which I still have both. I got an invitation from Nissan Chorley to go see the new Leaf and what a disappointment! They wanted double the money to lease it after promising me a good deal in the letter then when I got in it I realised it was the same car! I decided to buy my old lease car instead of buying the new model.
When I got my first 24kw it was about the same time you got yours, I was paying £250 per month with £500 down, they wanted £3,000 down and £650 a month for the 40kw! Couldn’t believe what I was hearing.
It’s actually not as good as the 30kw as I found out on the first long journey in a loaner 40kw, it took me twice as long to drive 300 miles because it would only rapid up to 15kw, totally useless on long journeys.
I struggle to understand why anyone would use built-in satnav , I just use my phone.
If you're caught using your phone whilst driving, in Britain and in some other countries, you can be fined and receive points on your license. An in-car satnav circumvents that problem.
@@RWBHere I understand that but at what point does it become a phone? The device is not just a phone but also a GPS and media centre for music and radio (internet radio).. I keep mine in a holder in the CD player. Perhaps laws are too loosely defined. If a person drives while holding their phone they are just asking for trouble, regardless of any laws.
Apple Carplay........
I’ve said it before and I’ll ay it again
E NIRO.
If you want to wait more than 12mths!
@@elliotjohnston5775 still that long waiting list. So Tesla is doing a hell of a job.
And Renault to, Zoë is available in 6 weeks time
I bet they've not fixed the folding mirror motors yet either!
Totally agree, spot on comments. Going from a Leaf 30 to the ZSEV it makes my long frequent 120 mile trip a doddle. And at £23k it is decent value.
Model 3 costs the same on finance as this, as this depreciates more as a %.
£6k down £400 a month. Model 3 ftw!
Model 3 will have so many issues lmao you'll pay the list price on repairs xD even less reliable than a nissan
When i see reviews of Fords and Nissans in particular, I appreciate the cabin lay out of my BMW even more. I can never get over the sheer number of switches all over the place!
Come ON! This represents a MASSIVE improvement in looks over the original Leaf!! Huge!!! Enormous!!!!
As for the shiny plastic, well, everything has it - so......
And those looks are worth £36000?
If you think it's worth the asking price you want your bumps feeling lol :))))
My test drive of the very car you're reviewing here convinced me I should get a Tesla Model 3. Had it three weeks now and very grateful for Nissan's Tesla advertising campaign :-D
Can you review the c5 Sinclair next week 😂😉
I looked at this “new” leaf and drove one when it was released and could not believe its price! Also the fact the steering will not adjust to suit my arm length related to pedal and feet etc. Then the news that the battery would not charge properly when hot even though the 90mile range NV200 can have battery cooling , off I went to competition 🤔
Great video... I paid 24k for a brand new 40kw a year 18 months ago... but 43k for the same?.. just plus a few miles eeeeek..
I still think that, above all other failures, the failure to provide a battery with proper thermal management lets this car down and takes it out of any sensible reckoning. If this battery fails to the same extent as some 24KWH batteries, and they charge the sort of prices currently quoted in Australia (£18,115) then a replacement battery for this car could cost more than £48000 (see reports by AutoExpert TV).
As to the price, I cannot understand why EVs are going up so much. You have commented on the price increases on the E Niro and the Kona Premium SE is now listed at more than £40000. These and the Leaf were supposed to be in the family car bracket and yet are in, or near, the luxury car bracket for cars that,apart from the cost of the battery, must be significantly cheaper to build than the equivalent ICE cars.
You make a very valid point on the money wasted on development of the Propilot system. Personally, I wish all manufacturers would stop all of this autopilot/propilot/autonomy development and focus on getting affordable, functional and reliable EVs on the market at sensible prices.
I bought the Leaf 2.zero when it came out (swapped a 30kwh).. love it.. just sold the missus' Leaf 24Kw Tekna, so have had both and much prefer the Leaf 40 Kwh... but that now has a back seat as I bought the Model 3 SR+... there is no comparison.
The Leaf 40Kwh map does suck pretty bad.. I use the Android auto with Waze instead.
Unfortunately I have to agree. This is old style bad value Nissan again.
Thanks very much for the honest review. I have never seen anyone so shattered.
Hey guys, I must buy my first car and ( I want to be electric), what will be your recommendation? Kia, VW, Reno or...? Tnx a lot
All the issues Nissan have there, they have in Australia..... They are absolute rubbish!
Stay clear of Nissan!
When a car company is owned by the french, expect it to be shite. Nissan has.t been good since it was 100% Japanese.
Its mad how Nissan are being run, the old new Micra was an expensive joke, they axed the note which is a fantastic car and the qashqui/ new Micra are just rebadged Renaults for twice the price... I blame the French 😆
Currently in UK You can get new Nissan Leaf 160kW 62kWh Auto e+ N- Connecta just under £27K which is very good price IMHO. KIA E Niro 2 now is around £33K.
The leaf was one of the first electric cars I testdrived. Later I tested an old one an realized, it is quite the same car. So I considered buying the used old one. Finally I boughr a Hyundai Ioniq because of CCS and better efficiency and mor practical flat boot and the looks.
Maybe they are just targetting new drivers rather then long standing EV owners. If it ain't broke don't fix it seems the be their mantra.
Then double the cost!
No, even if it is broke don't fix it...
This is what car reviews should be like: based on real-world experience, straight-talking and honest. Well done and thanks for saving potential buyers from making an expensive mistake.
I’m so glad that I got out of Nissan Leaf mess, used to be 2011 Nissan Leaf owner. Now I’m a happy Tesla Model 3 owner.
I don't mind the analog speedo. Actually I am probably in the camp Nissan was catering for. I like to have it, as I find it easier to read than a digital number read-out. Plus if the screen fails, or more likely when it gets really cold (Nordics, so -20) I can actually read my speed. Those displays get laggy/blurry at those temperatures. And for the satnav, afaik Android auto and Apple Carplay where already supported in the 2018 40kWh version. And who needs that, I found the built-in one to be excellent. For map updates I don't know, but it might depend on location how old the maps might be.
Carlos Ghosn was the visionary, the current management is corrupt and incompetent. Carlos could turn it around in a few months.
The 2019 leaf has sold 9484 in q1 2019 vs 18204 for the model 3. So it looks like Nissan understands the market.
The reason why he's not there anymore is because he was corrupt!
@@oxcart4172 no he isn't. He wanted to fire the management of Nissan and they struck first. It's a frame up. asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Ghosn-charges-are-thin-soup-case-for-ex-Nissan-boss
Adding every possible optional accessory onto it is completely disengenious.
The e+ is Tekna spec already and has almost everything you could possibly want. The only actual functional extra over the base-price of £37k is the ProPilot parking assist for £1099.
So £38k. In fact the actual "maybe" price you whimsied about.
All those accessories are mostly tat that nobody actually buys with their car, and are almost all entirely cosmetic.
So don't bullshit about it being a £43k car. It's not. And no one is paying anywhere near that much for one.
Can't beat a good EVM rant!
What's the situation regarding battery degradation on the 30kwh leaf.
Nissan’s first screw up was partnering with Renault
Renault actually saved Nissan from bankruptcy
@@MrWillempjuh which the way things are these days, would have been the better option.
We need simple evs that work... If you need semi-autonomous driving, please get off the road... *General statement
Samus Aran7 well I don’t need autopilot don’t me I don’t want it, and with cars want had way more to do with it than need
Elliott's Lab Thats nice to hear. Its just unnecessary costs that add up when buying the vehicle at the end of the day.
I have the 40 kWh LEAF. From the rumours and comments flying round at the time just before I bought it (2017), this 62 kWh car should have been the model released back then at the price the 40 kWh was back then.
And bear in mind that the original LEAF from 2011 was released before the Tesla Model S (released in June 22, 2012 from Wikipedia) and in that time, the LEAF has had only incremental drive train improvements.
Very informative...thank you.