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What's funny is GS just did this, and completely smoked the P-51. I'd love to see a collab between you guys and him on this.
He scripts engagements in his favour for the viewers
The A-10 has nearly twice the climb rate of the P-51D. Why couldn't the A-10 use that to maintain an energy advantage over the P-51D and perform diving attacks on it?
If you climb after the merge you'll be slow and won't have turned as fast. You'd be a sitting duck. Climb rate only works if you can climb before the merge.
@@sevenrats yes but against 50s only, key to win is distance and force the p-51 to chase full power then use the distance to bring the 30mm on target. you shouldnt try to fly the A-10 like its a fighter you will lose. use your mass and your jets to force the enemy into doing what you want them to do.
I love Violet pulling the "any landing you can walk away from is a good one" after her second go at the A-10.
Roses are red, Violets are blue, I crash-landed my aircraft and so did you.
It's true though.
She? sounds like a he
@@pregnant9574 That's what I thought
I feel like Violet had a right idea when she climbed to stall on the initial encounter. At the top of a stall, you've bled all your speed and can flip your nose a lot faster. However, this requires a tiny bit of cooperation from your opponent, not seeing your maneuver and not back tracking under you.
Yes yes yes yes !!!!!!! climb into the sun and you are a ghost...... bad assed ghost with he upper hand to the theater of engagement
What I've read about from A-10 drivers is that they have one main criticism: thrust.
‘We joke that the A-10 is really a single-engine aircraft, with half an engine on each side,’ Lynn Taylor, former A-10 Warthog pilot.
It's to the point where pilots need to choose between fuel or munitions with the best compromise being takeoff with full arms and immediately air refuel.
I have read many accounts of pilots of P-38's and how they defeated Zeros, which turned so much better than they did. They didn't turn. They would do a headon pass and just keep going to get separation, like Simba said. Then get another headon. You guys know more than I do about the practicalities, but that seems a more promising approach.
The problem is that the A-10 is hampered by not being faster than the P-51. In fact, in game it's SLOWER with the pylons on and all that extra fuel on board. So the A-10 is slower and has less thrust/weight and less turning with more drag. It's really behind in just about everything but firepower and armor (which mean nothing if you can't get the shot) I get that they're entirely different planes, the A-10 in fact more akin to a WW 2 bomber/attacker role. It'd be as fair as trying to ask a P-51to match an A-10 in killing tanks. Hmmm... there's a thought. A competition between A-10s and P-47s in destroying ground targets (adjusted so there's more P-47s of course for balance...say 3-1 or 4-1 at least) Set up a ton of German tanks on say Normandy and then let both teams have at it. Maybe make it "how many P-47s does it take to equal one A-10 as a ground pounder?"
The A-10 would have a huge advantage in range and damage in a heads on pass. The pilot should have tried for a kill before the merge.
@@Jasonv8z In this instance, the rules of the fight precluded that. Right?
@@jimrussell4062 Yeah, I looked it up and sure enough, P-38's were a bit faster than the A6M, and heavier, so diving a bit would amplify this advantage.
"Boom and Zoom" tactics - trouble is, the A-10 would get gunned to death trying to climb. As already pointed out gunning the P-51 head-on before it has a chance to turn (not allowed) or throwing all your speed away and C-R-A-N-K-I-N-G the A10 into a tight turn in the hopes you hit the P-51 with the GAU-8 (but ya get that one turn and then you're out of energy)!
You just gottla love how the GAU 30mil just
makes tiny pinprick-holes in the wings XD
Yeah the damage model is shit
Growling Sidewinder did the same fight, and put out flaps during the fight to reduce speed, and got 4-0 to the A-10
I would like to see some of these done in fighter pairs. Wingman cover and teamwork might make all the difference.
That reminds me of Captain Kim Campbell's A-10s damage in Iraq. That A-10 might have taken 100 rounds and still got home in manual reversion mode.
In case you didn't know, Ward Carroll just did an interview with her.
Didn't she get the Distinguished flying cross for that?
Incredible video; thank you for putting it up on YT.
Really makes you appreciate how well designed the P51 was in 1940. Understandable now why the P51 was so deadly against the ME 262, shooting down 143 of the jets from roughly NOV 1944 to May 8, 1944, or roughly 65% of all operational ME 262's! In the late 1990's, during a conversation with another WW2 aircraft fan, I became interested in the ME262 vs P51 statistics. Conventional thought circa 1998, was that the P51 had managed to shoot down a "few" ME 262's, all during take off and landing. By 2008, I'd discovered official USAF records showing that USAAF fighters (8th & 9th AF) had shot down 140 ME 262's, 25 by P47's and 115 by P51's. Most astounding to me was the discovery that about 70% of P51 victories over the ME 262 occurred at high altitude in high speed combat during ME262 attacks on bomber formations. With the recent publication of the Robert Forsyth book "ME262 vs P51 Europe 1944-45" the total P51 kills of ME 262's now stands at 143!
Flown to keep energy up, in the hands of a competent pilot, the P51's abilities continue to impress in 2022! Thanks for this eye-opening video.
I'd have to agree with Violet the A10 may be able to cash it all in for a low probability high deflection shot, but when inevitably that dosent work out its curtains. So it's confirmed the A10 isn't a dogfighter.
then again, we are putting one of the best dedicated dogfighters up against a specialized ground support plane and taking away its sidewinder missiles. with the 'can't fire at eachother until after the pass by' rule it's kind of a no brainer who would win this almost every time.
also they didn't have the A-10 being able to use differential thrust for it's twin engines.
I highly doubt any modern A-10 pilot is going to loose a dogfight/gun fight with a WWII relic. But I get it, it’s a game.
@@TheChenny73 The A-10 is a great dogfighter, at least against other jets.
GASP!!! what!?
This is going to be great, sorry to hear about the AIM-120D. I hope someone with that sort of expertise can help you all, DCS is an amazing community
Yup working on it now as we speak.
Good luck Cap!
Wing loading is just a hard number when you compare the same airfoil profile. The P51 has laminar NACA-Profile, while the A10 has a 6716. Laminar profiles are low drag profiles, but not particularly high lift. So I cheer for the A10.
(I like the P51, though...)
but also consider that the A-10 is not designed to be a fighter. it's made for close-air support roles while the Mustang is actually a dedicated fighter.
Just in time to watch this on my lunch break! Great work as always Cap and GR!
The A10's biggest advantage in this fight is negated by the rules. If you could shoot each other when you do the head on pass the armor on the cockpit and nose would go a long way to winning that fight. After the pass P51 pretty much in full control.
A-10 might have a chance if they pulled the fight into the p-51's upper altitude limits, maybe the greater thrust performance of the jets over props in thin air would be enough to tip the balance
@@Spectre-907 but consider the fact that the A-10 is not designed to be a fighter. it's made for close-air support missions while the Mustang is a dedicated fighter.
@@jamesdick2580 even modern dedicated fighters aren't designed to fight prop fighters on the prop's terms, but here we are
I remember Growling Sidewinder doing this fight, and the P51 doing very well against modern jets, with the exception of the F22. Even the Spitfire did well against most of the modern jets it went up against.
In the Malaysian emergency, there were late war spitfire models still in use in the SEA rejoin and the RAF actually flew old spits from reserve against the key fighters they had.
The lessons learned was never get in a turning fight with jet Vs prop fighters. Just make high speed straight through passes.
GS has just released a video of this A10 vs P51 matchup, and his Warthog thrashed the Mustang 4-nil.
It would be interesting for those familiar with DCS to compare his ACM techniques and his opponents with that of the GR crew to try to work out how they came out with diametrically opposite results.
I was an ordnance technician in the USMC in the late '70s, and loaded ordnance on the A-10. It is an amazing aircraft. But, it was not designed for dogfighting. It is a ground attack aircraft. And the best one ever made. Likewise, the P-51D Mustang was, at least IMO, the best piston powered prop driven fighter aircraft ever made. Had you used an F-16 (using the 20mm cannon only) instead of an A-10, it would have won, though probably not as easily as you might think. 80 years later the P-51D is still an absolutely amazing airplane.
Fascinating! Great video! The P51 is a timeless airplane, amazing design that stands the test of time!
Flying tank vs Flying tank would be an A-10 vs Il-2 Sturmovik - might be a challenge
In the initial dog fight the P51 is shown with fragment damage or bullet holes, which would seem to indicate a hit. However the A10 fires solid 30mm rounds. If it had hit there would be a huge hole if the P51 survived. It would not survive more than a single hit. As well, the 12.7 mm rounds seem to be doing excessive damage at distance to an aircraft specifically designed to resist such damage. The P51 is clearly the more maneuverable aircraft, but that was never in doubt. I do have questions about the accuracy of the damage model however,
Good stuff guys! Love these 1 on 1 challenges!
Serves as another reminder that the A-10's '40s counterparts were light and medium bombers, not fighter aircraft. Still, many of those spawned night fighter variants, and it might be entertaining to revisit the A-10 acting in that role against '40s planes.
20mm cannon armed Mosquito.
Just for fun (even though the outcome is almost a certainty), I’d like to see a recreation of the events from the movie, “The Final Countdown (1980)”, where the USS Nimitz goes back in time and faces off against the Japanese fleet getting ready to attack Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941 (but this time, let the fight actually happen)
They had already "interferred", by shooting two planes down & rescuing the survivors from the boat. It would have been interesting to see the battle happen. In a way, the ending was a bit of a let down. I suspect I wasn't the only one that had seen the trailers & was hoping for something more. However, when checking the runtime, as the tensions were building up, you knew that nothing was going to happen. There wasn't enough time. Imagine, if they had merely prevented the ambush & they were able to get forces out of the harbor...
It might be interesting as a series concept, where there is time to explore the aftermath of such an event. A What If series based on that movie would definitely have potential.
In a fight jet vs prop, keep the following in mind: Equivalent "HP output" increases for the jet (at constant thrust) while the net thrust of the prop fighter decreases with speed.
The jet normally will outclimb a prop fighter of comparable thrust to weight ratio at the higher speed.
but the A-10 was not designed to be a fighter. it was made for close air support roles while the Mustang is a dedicated fighter.
@@jamesdick2580 the intended role is irrelevant when comparing aircraft (or any machinery) of very different stages of technology development.
A fully laden 737-300, a transport category airliner, will outclimb and outrun any dedicated fighter of the interwar period.
I'd be interested to see a match between an A-7D Corsair II, a dedicated ground attack aircraft of the same period as the A-10 and a Mustang. My bet would be on the SLUF.
Cap: "poor old violet cannot get up there" - probably had the undercarriage removed.
A10 has almost double the climb rate of the p51 so it one pass then it climbs away never trying to dog fight.
Fairly similar to many US vs better dog fighter tactics.
This is an awesome video format
i think we need to see Kortana and Violet team up against about 8 of the boys and watch them kick the boys asses !!!!
This had me on the edge of my seat the whole video
The a10 range, volume, and lethality. Run away on the merge at full throttle. Make a slam turn and start firing long range. Just go head on.
Super fun vid to watch, thank you.
I want to see more dogfights like these. Like what other prop jobs and slow jets can fight each other?
Harrier and the MB339 or C-101 would be fun vs props. The Harrier better speed of course, but the MB339 is pretty nice if you take air-air loadout with just twin 30mm pods. It can get to warbird speeds and is even lower drag. The props do have quicker acceleration however. A competition between the MB-339 and the Dora would be a sort of "late world war 2" matchup because the MB339 has very close performance to the American P-80 which flew at the same time (although they never met one another in combat)
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Should have done the P-47. Thunderbolt vs Thunderbolt
A10 has twice(2x) the climb rate. Just don't turn right away at the merge, get altitude at best rate, then turn
Yeah I was also wondering about that. Per specs, it also has a slighthly higher service ceiling, so it could go up, wait, burn fuel and then boom and zoom?
yeah , not how I would have handled any of it
The A-10 isn't a gentleman and isn't a fighter, so it cant win a gentleman's dogfight, your best chance to survive a dog fight in an A-10 against any plane is to exchange fire with the enemy in the merge and rely on your armored cockpit and redundant systems to keep you alive. especially against a P-51 mustang with your rear mounted engines, center line gun, impenetrable cockpit, tick armored sapphire glass windshield and windscreen against the front mounted engine, front mounted propeller propeller and wing mounted, unarmored cockpit, and laminated glass of the windscreen and .50 cal guns of the P-51s
How did that first hit on the Mustang in the first dogfight not take the wing off!?
It should have been in pieces and the pilot should also be dead from that first burst
Maybe he had the armor-piercing rounds loaded and he overpenetrated XD
Period German 30MM was loaded with high explosive and would probably have blown the Mustang in half, but perhaps the anti-tank rounds weren't optimized for air kills lol.
The DCS software make a discrepancy between the holes shown by the simulation at 3:42 and the hitboxes it computes to credit damages. For the GAU-8, the gun fires a mix of both high explosive incendiary (HEI) and armored piercing incendiary (API) ammunition. The PGU-13/B HEI High Explosive Incendiary round employs a standard M505 fuze and explosive mixture with a body of naturally fragmenting material that is effective against lighter vehicle and material targets. The PGU-14/B API Armor Piercing Incendiary round has a lightweight body which contains a sub-calibre high density penetrator of Depleted Uranium (DU). In addition to its penetrating capability DU is a natural pyrophoric material which enhances the incendiary effects. There is no way theses ammo coming from right side would make holes through wings up to left flank of the cockpit without shredding spars, punching .50 cal ammo boxes of the right wing and injuring pilot with shrapnels. It would be like that only very few holes should be on the wing only.
I was thinking the same thing, I don't think the mustang would've survived the hit, also in reality the A-10 can climb faster and drop faster
Not sure how the P-51 showed damage on that first pass when Violet connected with it. You cannot get hit by a single 30mm at 3000rpm, so multiple rounds hit the P-51 and somehow it was not atomized.
Curious to see that an armored engine cowling rated past 50mm cannot take a single spurt from the P-51.
A-10 had only one good turn and that was it, had fun watching the video!
Would it be possible, when comparing such different weapons, to approximate "Weight of metal thrown"? I know, lots of maths required. -Making the Mustang British was nice!
Cool video!
Now try the P51 against the Super Tucano!
This, i wanna see this fight!
So basically the A10 might be better in some cyberpunk tron futuristic sci fi map with floating buildings and all kinds of computer game gaps and holes to fly through, but not in anything approaching reality.
For next engagement, A-10 pilot needs to leave throttles in max and run steady to chopped tone. Bury in the chop tone and you will accelerated stall frequently.
The warthog with a mustang tattoo...nice touch :p
Without watching, I am giving it to the P-51D
I think an A-10 would have a reasonable chance of running the Mustang out of ammo before it's too busted to fly - then follow it home as it starts to run out of fuel!
but the thing of it is....the A-10 is designed to take heavy damage from hostile ground fire rather than from another aircraft because it's not designed to be in a dogfight. it's made for providing close-air support to troops on the ground rather than take on enemy aircraft.
Wouldn't the A10 have a longer gun range/better sights? On the first pass extend and pull away far enough to make it a head on fight. Return and take the long range shots from a frontal aspect maybe
Gun range is pretty much irrelevant in a dog fight. Neither of them have radar to track aircraft for the FCS so they rely on gyro stabilization. Oddly the A10 has a gun funnel sight but Cap wasn't using it for some reason. I don't think the A10 would be able to run away from the P51, it has way more power but way more drag and I think the P51 would keep on it's tail at medium/low altitude. Also the gun isn't really that great for A2A combat as most of it's ammo is AP ammo which is pretty terrible at damaging aircraft. The 20mm cannons that other aircraft use have entirely HE fragmentation ammo which is way better than the combat mix AP/HE ammo that the 30mm cannon uses. I guess the AP ammo is still marginally better than the P51's 50 cal guns, but the P51's combined fire rate (6,000-7,000 RPM) is way higher than the A10's cannon (3,800 RPM).
The A-10 sight is set up for ground attack. Not very useful for air to air.
The Packard engine is actually a liscense built Rolls Royce Merlin engine.
Over on Growling's channel, he went four rounds against the P-51, and he beat the Mustang.
Facts
What would A10 vs Bf-109 be like? Since the 109 is not a rate fighter but a zoom-and-boom fighter.
That would be neat to watch, maybe better odds for the A-10 in that case, though the 109's cannon would probably do a lot more damage than the Mustang's 50 cals.
@@resurgam_b7 The 109's 30mm is low velocity though. It's gonna do some damage sure, but landing the hits on a moving target will be a challenge; that gun's meant to take down bombers, not maneuvering targets.
@@fnglert Fair point, I wasn't thinking of that.
Damn Cap! Good shooting and quick ttk looked great in the Mustang. Also those engines sound phenomenal on the 51
The A-10 can easily stay inside F-16 turn radius a close speed. Does a mock dogfight video of the two going head to head on CZcams and the A-10 absolutely crush is it. A P-51 is more challenging however.
Also if it’s possible, place a 2k bomb on only one wing to be able to bank into that direction and let that wing pull the A-10 around. Anther CZcamsr does this trick to fight modern jets in Gun fights and it helps alot.
A thought I'm having is that jet engine efficiency depends on how much air goes through the engine. Basically, the ability to accelerate deteriorates the lower the speed gets, while the opposite holds true for piston powered aircraft. Perhaps the A-10 could fare better if the pilot would stay within that optimal speed range?
Of course, the subsequent question is: what the hell can the A-10 do to get on the Mustang's tail while within that speed range?
The A10 has almost twice the climb rate of the P51, so you use that advantage to its best effects.
You should try 2v2 and try putting the Warthogs in a Thatch Weave. Also, the Warthog should try zoom passes (hi-lo-hi)
I'd like to see a A-1 Skyraider vs. Mustang vid... I think that might be an interesting vid
What about a Royal Navy strike on the Tirpitz with Harriers from the Invincible? Could use the South Atlantic map and set it up similarly. I don't know that there were actually luftwaffe fighters stationed there, but for more fun they could be added. Either way, That'd be a lot of AA fire which made it difficult for he actual Royal Navy carriers who did carrier strikes (before the Lancasters used Tall Boy bombs later), but given precision weapons they might be able to take out a battleship.
Just curious about the engagement range of the Gau-8 vs the .50 cal. In a head on joust instead of a merge would the A-10 have a chance?
it would destroy the p-51 remember the A-10 only needs to really hit the p51 a few times head on to win and the p-51 has to get lucky in a head on to win. The A-10s armor is designed to withstand 12.7mm
This is like watching a 1970 Ford F-100 Truck vs a 1955 Porsche Speedster (both have equivalent top speed) racing on a tight track. Driver error is the only way the truck wins.
Great video luv the p51d. I think they p47vs a10 would be better thunderbolt vs thunderbolt lol
the A10 is good....but noting like the p51D..in a dogfight it was made for it even the Me262 pilots know it....this was a good one...will like to see a A10 vs Me262 or a Tucano
Is there a rule that you have to turn toward after the merge? If not, then run full power and 15 deg nose up on a10 and try to gain enough altitude to kill performance on p51 engine?
but remember one factor: the A-10 is not designed for dogfighting. it's made for close-air support, while the Mustang is a dedicated fighter.
I guess this is why the military has a crop duster they think about replacing a-10 with.
Shouldn't this be a P-47 Thunderbolt vs an A-10 Thunderbolt II?
Any easy way to kill warbirds in the A-10 is right after the merge don’t turn with it you have to extend out and come back for a head to head challenge. Good fights tho, very enjoyable.
Could the a10 fly straight up drop throttle and stall to get the nose around when it drops back down and hit the p51?
in order to come out of a cobra like that, you need a favorable thrust to weight ratio
@@DragonstarFighter does the a10 not naturally nose down if flying straight up and lose power?
alot of people on here are failing to consider one major factor: the A-10 is not designed for dogfighting. it's basically tailor-made to provide close-air support to troops on the ground, while the Mustang is a dedicated fighter.
Maybe the a-10 could dive after the merge, push it right up to max intended speed get enough distance to bring the nose around on the Mustang? Or do you have to go into a circle fight right away?
If I am right, The A-10 should be much more efficient in higher altitudes since it has jet engines instead of a propeller engine.
Basically, the P-51 is like a Vertical Helicopter, and everyone knows Helicopters don't do well high up.
but the A-10 is not designed to be in a dogfight. it's made to provide close air support to troops on the ground, while the Mustang is a dedicated fighter. so i wouldnt count out the Mustang just yet.
All that jinking in the A-10 is killing any energy it had.
The a10 needs to turn this into a vertical battle, not a level turning game
One advantage in game for the P-51 is that the A-10 has all those pylons on which is a ton of drag. It won't reach that 439mph in that configuration like the P-51 will (not to mention that's at partial fuel..not sure if the A-10 is fully loaded with 13,000 lbs of fuel or not)
Be better off doing Thunderbolt vs Thunderbolt II. That extra 2 .50 cal would help take down the A-10, the P-47 is a bit tougher, and still much more maneuverable.
The A-10 can force an overshoot by using the speed brakes...
AND Cap doesn't like the funnel, IIRC.
i see alot of comments talking about how the A-10 would do well defeating the Mustang in a fight. but... alot of people on here are failing to consider one major factor: the A-10 is not designed for dogfighting. it's basically tailor-made to provide close-air support to troops on the ground, while the Mustang is a dedicated fighter.
imagine having an A10 on your 6 and you're stalling
brrrrt
I wonder how well an Aim 9 Sidewinder missile can get a lock on a Mustang? Probably has a much smaller heat signature from the rear than a jet engine does.
Back in 1963 the RAF found something very similar when they did OpFor training for their EE Lightning pilots using a Spitfire PRXIX - if the Spitfire could lure the Lightning into a turning dogfight, the Lightning suddenly had a much harder time of things.
A couple of these fights were missing guns on the part of the A-10. It's winnable for sure. If the a-10 does everything perfectly.
Only if the 51 doesn't do everything perfectly as well I think
Nah the A-10 controls the engagement. It can climb better and in real term, it's faster. Climb at 10 degrees after the merge and he cannot follow you. Once you gain separation, turn back above him and dive on his ass.
You can't achieve a tighter turn circle at steady/full power. Instead pull up hard and sudden power reduction and the bird may flip pretty fast. .. . . and may stall the jet engines.
I think the A-10 should just ram the Mustang, fly home and land. Might have to touch up some paint.
You lads need help with converting power to thrust? I won't be able to help with the unknown propeller efficiency, but I can at least get you using the same units.
21:20 you can fly through the wires, since they have no coli
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Could you have done the one merge then try to extend while the 51 turns around do a new merge where the 30 mm will more likely kill in a head on head?
Hi, can you please do a A10 vs Harrier please. Thanks 😊
I have an idea to beat the P-51 in the A 10 you have a quicker dive the best you can do is make them overheat trying to follow you or let them run out of fuel
"You meet a better class of people in the vertical" Randall "Duke" Cunningham USN Vietnam
A-10 strategy: absorb every round the 51 can put in it then turn around, aim your wing dead on theirs then slam through it cutting it off. Turn around, laugh, and go home.
Just an observation on the specs - I thought the P51’s had Merlin engines or was that a different model?
Violet is a Beast in the A-10!
Against an A-10, remember to set your gyro gunsight to a 60ft wingspan, twin-engine
In most videos Cap needs to "get another one" Until cap fights growling sidewinder the questions will never be truly answered.
It would be a slaughter
Good lord the wing loading.
You should do this with the f4u and the A10
F4U vs p51 would be another good one
Hi. I wonder if you can do a 2nd ww concept jet + bomber with the messershmitt 262, locklieed p-80 shooting star ( 1st flu in 8 jan 1944) and the glòster motor. The jet bomber, the arado ar - 234 and the gloster e28/39 and if you could the nakajima kikka
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The P-51 Mustang is such a great fighter that even today only fighter jets can match it.
So close Simba! Almost wrapped him up in a tree! Sierra Hotel! And that's zero flak to you Cap, I was just hoping the Hog would get something, anything, I did not think it would be (could be) so one-sided. Thanks everybody, good time!
A-10 is making the mistake of getting into a turning fight. The A-10 has a power advantage and should be using the vertical and speed as much as possible. As soon as the A-10 get's into a turning fight it's dead.
Did nobody think about using the superior climb rate of the A-10 to gain distance?
Also that the a-10 is built to dominate in low altitude, but also built to dominate ground targets. She's not really a dogfighter