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Komentáře • 423

  • @Retrofun69
    @Retrofun69 Před 5 dny +434

    You think you hate GW enough.
    You dont.

    • @EvilHomer101
      @EvilHomer101 Před 4 dny +6

      Oh, I assure you I do. However, I could always hate them more ;)

    • @Xelatheshep
      @Xelatheshep Před 4 dny +5

      GW is the EA of miniature and tabletop wargaming.

    • @elijahherstal776
      @elijahherstal776 Před 4 dny +7

      Yet if you go to the average FLGS and try to get tabletop wargamers interested in better games (and I mean pretty much any war game out there has better rules than 40k)- they look at you like you're insane.
      "No man I'mma just play 40k"
      And they'll just bend over and take it. The average 40k player is a literal catamite, that will take it up the fart pipe and thank GW for it.
      Mockery should be used at every possible opportunity.
      And I say this as someone whose favorite game is Necromunda.

    • @dildoswaggins2907
      @dildoswaggins2907 Před 3 dny

      @@elijahherstal776you just described all the local 40k clowns in my neighbourhood

  • @elijahherstal776
    @elijahherstal776 Před 5 dny +420

    GAMES WORKSHOP: "We are going to sue you for giving away something similar to a product we don't even sell anymore."

    • @meatbyproducts
      @meatbyproducts Před 5 dny

      @@elijahherstal776 still IP theft.

    • @mrbigglezworth42
      @mrbigglezworth42 Před 5 dny +51

      GW: "How dare you pick up all the money we're dropping!"

    • @meatbyproducts
      @meatbyproducts Před 5 dny +9

      @@mrbigglezworth42 not how IP law works.

    • @mrbigglezworth42
      @mrbigglezworth42 Před 5 dny +70

      @@meatbyproducts That's a statement you should tell GW when they tried to copyright generic skeletons and orcs then sue people over making cheaper alternatives.

    • @LordNithilus
      @LordNithilus Před 5 dny +53

      ​@@mrbigglezworth42they also tried to copyright the concept of Pauldrons.

  • @Capsuleer7
    @Capsuleer7 Před 5 dny +205

    GW doesn't want fans, they want brand loyal customers and a monopoly on them to boot.

  • @Kross415
    @Kross415 Před 5 dny +272

    GW: We're going to stop selling this because it's not profitable.
    Fan: I'll give it for free since it cannot be obtained in any other way now.
    GW You're stealing infite money from us!
    Seems very reasonable.

    • @SieTeppischfresser
      @SieTeppischfresser Před 5 dny +33

      This is how I feel with software. Why is it bad for me to pirate something you literally cannot buy or have function through "legitimate" means?

    • @Erlisch1337
      @Erlisch1337 Před 5 dny +16

      @@SieTeppischfresser you are describing abandonedware?

    • @Gorbz
      @Gorbz Před 5 dny +8

      Given how GW are starting to produce the old WFB kits again for The Old World, I can see them clamping down hard on anything that can impact potential future profits.

    • @KdogPrime
      @KdogPrime Před 5 dny +12

      @@Gorbz They would have to demonstrate in court that they had imminent plans to restart production of the figures in question, not vagueries about potential ideas for the series they might do in the future.

    • @Gorbz
      @Gorbz Před 5 dny +2

      @@KdogPrime I'm sure they could pull up a plan, but if they didn't have one then they can easily cliam infringement on AoS, as that used the WFB minis at the start. Sure they are not used now, but the argument could be made by them that the sales of AoS is impacted. And it sucks balls.

  • @MrLolguy93
    @MrLolguy93 Před 5 dny +351

    You don't hate GW enough

    • @vadandrumist1670
      @vadandrumist1670 Před 5 dny +15

      You have to be capable of more hatred than a Black Templar.

    • @TheMaleRei
      @TheMaleRei Před 5 dny +8

      @@vadandrumist1670
      Challenge accepted.

    • @actuallyKriminell
      @actuallyKriminell Před 3 dny +2

      You think you do, but you don't

    • @zaynevanday142
      @zaynevanday142 Před 3 dny +1

      Oh yes I do 😂😂😂 I was a WHFB player until the destroyed it 😂

    • @elijahherstal776
      @elijahherstal776 Před 2 dny +2

      @@zaynevanday142 Same w/me but Mordheim.

  • @dashwhatchamakalit
    @dashwhatchamakalit Před 5 dny +168

    After Astartes... GW can sit and spin.

  • @AmentiVZ
    @AmentiVZ Před 5 dny +185

    And this is why I will never pay for another GW product.

    • @KevinoftheCosmos
      @KevinoftheCosmos Před 4 dny +1

      I'm never buying directly. Or new product. That said, I'll still be supporting my local game stores and companies that deserve my money.

    • @JPa-x8p
      @JPa-x8p Před 3 dny

      @KevinoftheCosmos You're not supposed to give Games Wokeshop any money flgs or not.

    • @KevinoftheCosmos
      @KevinoftheCosmos Před 3 dny

      @@JPa-x8pno, I mean I'll buy other games from the local game store, paint, tools, accessories, cards, etc. But I'm not giving GW any more money.

    • @JPa-x8p
      @JPa-x8p Před 3 dny

      @@KevinoftheCosmos Gotcha

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver Před 3 dny +1

      I am looking to give my GW models and paints away

  • @ADB696
    @ADB696 Před 5 dny +178

    Because War Hammer 40k isn't full of stolen ideas from a myriad of other IP's.Lmfao!

    • @nicwelch
      @nicwelch Před 5 dny +3

      Can you elaborate on that a little bit?

    • @BryceByerley
      @BryceByerley Před 5 dny +28

      Ask Michael Moorcock.

    • @ADB696
      @ADB696 Před 5 dny +45

      @@nicwelch You could sit here all day but just off the top of my head aspects of the tyranids design are stolen from Aliens/H.R Giger. The Alien Queens head crest has also been ripped off directly on one of the tyranid designs. The Necrons are a rip of Terminator. The bikes the space marines ride are lifted directly from Judge Dredds Lawmaster bike. Any number of Star Wars references. Mech Warrior. Tolkiens Orcs or the concept of Orcs... As I say you could sit here all day.

    • @g.sergiusfidenas6650
      @g.sergiusfidenas6650 Před 5 dny

      ​@@ADB696the Arbites being blatant copies of Dredd's Judges too.

    • @joshuawillingham6363
      @joshuawillingham6363 Před 5 dny +18

      Yep. A ton of modern sci-fi just copies and modified aspects of older sci-fi. Unlike fantasy where everyone just blatantly rips off Tolkien (which GW managed to do as well) sci-fi rips off a variety of sources and only a small fraction of Warhammer stuff is actually original. Lots of concepts from Dune, Starship Troopers (besides aliens I'm relatively certain that's the concept origin for Tyranides), and various other IPs. And then they get pissy when anyone takes their stuff and does something cool with it, as if that's not the foundation for the entirety of their IP. Even when said people aren't making money off it. It's gross.

  • @gitrekt-gudson
    @gitrekt-gudson Před 5 dny +107

    So litigiously protective of their IP yet they seem to give it away to any third-rate videogame dev to make endless crappy games with their name on it....
    Games Workshop are scum and I don't give them money.

    • @Gorbz
      @Gorbz Před 5 dny

      GW sell their IP to almost anyone, and they don't care because they have been paid. Same reason they have been lax on scalpers, they already have been paid.

    • @maxmazzotti6651
      @maxmazzotti6651 Před 4 dny +1

      @@gitrekt-gudson like Gamemill?

    • @moistjohn
      @moistjohn Před 4 dny +6

      Letigious yet half of their work could be described charitably as "inspired" or more accurately "plagiarized"

    • @VersVlees
      @VersVlees Před 3 dny

      lol GEEDUBS used to rather strict with streetwalking out their IP's to vidyja developers but for the past decade they have opened the floodgates and it indeed shows with the crappy games.

    • @TheUnholyHandGrenade
      @TheUnholyHandGrenade Před 14 hodinami

      @@moistjohn *cough*StarOfChaos*cough*

  • @Drakon0Blade
    @Drakon0Blade Před 5 dny +82

    Intellectual Piracy: Argh, cough up your ideas or walk the plank.

  • @evanvalenta1898
    @evanvalenta1898 Před 5 dny +98

    The process is the punishment

    • @bendynamic2150
      @bendynamic2150 Před 4 dny +5

      Yep, GW has as much money as they want compared to him and they can draw this out for as long as they want with extensions and such until the other party runs out of money is completely bankrupt, and is forced to settle on the corporation's terms.

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver Před 3 dny +3

      Guilty and NOT ALLOWED to be proven innocent.

  • @YammoYammamoto
    @YammoYammamoto Před 5 dny +82

    Suing is the ONLY way GW can make money these days.
    if you have stock - SELL!

    • @davidea12
      @davidea12 Před 4 dny +1

      @@YammoYammamoto they made over £200mil last year.

    • @YammoYammamoto
      @YammoYammamoto Před 4 dny +5

      @@davidea12
      You just watch... I'll accept your apology... DEI spells financial death for a company.

    • @soapboxk2203
      @soapboxk2203 Před 3 dny

      @@YammoYammamoto Literally making more than ever, year over year.

    • @davidea12
      @davidea12 Před 3 dny

      @@YammoYammamoto you have 2 brain cells competing for 3rd place

    • @YammoYammamoto
      @YammoYammamoto Před 3 dny +3

      @@davidea12
      How is DEI working for Star Wars these days? Acolyte, hmm... 14% on Rotten Tomato. Sounds like a smash hit! I'm sure that's going to work wonders for GW.

  • @FeeNixBeech
    @FeeNixBeech Před 5 dny +51

    They can't fail fast enough. I only buy 3D printed, and have for years.

  • @vadandrumist1670
    @vadandrumist1670 Před 5 dny +59

    Really seems like they're just trying to make an example of him.

    • @wolfie54321
      @wolfie54321 Před 4 dny +2

      Probably the case. My understanding he ripped models from the Total War games, touched them up to make them printable (not a small amount of work) and was giving them away for free, so GW probably have a stronger legal claim than your average 3D modeller who is just making something that kind of looks like a GW model with a funny name.

    • @vadandrumist1670
      @vadandrumist1670 Před 3 dny +2

      @@wolfie54321 Sure, but you'd think that'd be irrelevant when they already demanded he cease and desist and already he ceased and desisted. What, was him complying just a confirmation of guilt to them? They were probably expecting him to put up some resistance which they could use as justification, but are still so petty as to go through with it anyways when that didn't work.

    • @wolfie54321
      @wolfie54321 Před 3 dny +2

      @@vadandrumist1670 As you said, looks like they're trying to make an example of him because he's an easy target given he used actual (heavily modified) game files. I think previously GW have come down harder on people selling STLs rather than offering them free. But it maybe seems they're trying to do the Napster thing of claiming some insane damages as if everyone who downloaded his files would have bought some other GW product.

  • @Buugipopuu
    @Buugipopuu Před 5 dny +28

    Unfortunately, I can't boycott GW any harder than I already am.

  • @tanjaeubanks
    @tanjaeubanks Před 5 dny +67

    Turnabout is fair play. Bankrupt GW.

    • @ClokworkGremlin
      @ClokworkGremlin Před 5 dny +17

      It's not turnabout. They've established the only way fanworks will ever be safe again is if GW no longer exists as a legal entity.
      Salt the earth.

    • @maxmazzotti6651
      @maxmazzotti6651 Před 4 dny +1

      So you hate the very company that created Warhammer? Shame

    • @CTomCooper
      @CTomCooper Před 4 dny +2

      @@maxmazzotti6651 ​​⁠ ​​⁠ Ideas are non-scarce and cannot be owned. What actually are scarce resources that are owned are the minds and skills and physical capital resources utilized to produce things that make use of an idea. The enforcement of IP laws are negative restraints upon the actual physical wares that other people own, from a party that claims to have first claim of use over a non-scarce concept or idea. It’s a racket set up by government court and bureaucracy to practice tyrannical rule in the imposition of spurious fines and fees. While there’s a theoretical argument for why IP law exists to protect creators and innovators, the reality has shown that all of the time the effects of IP law has done the opposite. legal claims of misusing ideas result in causing real financial damages to innocent parties, through a guilty until proven innocent process. It has been an inhibitor and a restraint upon skilled and knowledgeable people from making more creations or innovative improvements to ideas. At worst this should be a civil dispute and not a criminal dispute.

    • @actuallyKriminell
      @actuallyKriminell Před 3 dny +7

      @@maxmazzotti6651 No company has ever created anything. People have and do.
      The original creators of Warhammer have mostly left the company. Today the only people left are the suits that inherited the magic formula

    • @ericcook8254
      @ericcook8254 Před 3 dny +2

      ​@@maxmazzotti6651 it's not the same company the founders are no longer there it's just another shareholder husk of what it once was.

  • @ryojimata3708
    @ryojimata3708 Před 5 dny +29

    Gw is literally their own worst enemy.

  • @erikwaag6438
    @erikwaag6438 Před 5 dny +141

    Moorcock should sue GW.

    • @othyization
      @othyization Před 5 dny +18

      Because of the Chaos symbol? He should sue Adrzej Sapkowski whilst he's at it.

    • @logangant7732
      @logangant7732 Před 4 dny +7

      @@othyizationYes

    • @ANDELE3025
      @ANDELE3025 Před 4 dny +4

      Even if he wanted to he cant/would be thrown out, his logo was just the arrow compass rose (a symbol he cant even trademark as directional compass symbols are not subject to IP protection, only taglines and florishes on them are).
      It took up to the D&D art (iirc made by TSR artists no longer even alive) to add the circle and damage to it that GW tilted for the chaos factions and Moorcocks publishers ruined that cooperation despite him at the time sniffing his own farts far less and giving full rights to use the EC collection thus far written.

    • @dannyboy5008
      @dannyboy5008 Před 4 dny +2

      ​@@othyization he would definitely have a case against Andrzej.

    • @user-ub1dz8js7s
      @user-ub1dz8js7s Před 4 dny +1

      Tolkein Estate should sue GW !! and take back their I.P. while they're at it !

  • @Oblivius33
    @Oblivius33 Před 5 dny +28

    I also blame the people that still spend thousands of dollars on their plastic. They are getting scammed with prices that were unacceptable 10 years ago and they still purchase.
    GW doesn't deserve their IP or the Fan's money.

    • @B1-997
      @B1-997 Před 5 dny +3

      unfortunately those kinds of customers just dont care to care, either because they really want it out of brand loyalty or they have alot of disposable cash to spend without worry.

    • @EmanGameplay
      @EmanGameplay Před 5 dny +6

      You're talking about whales. Those are ideal customers for this business model, and they know it.

    • @VersVlees
      @VersVlees Před 3 dny +1

      @@EmanGameplay Pretty much how mobile games work. Too bad the practices they used for whaling also spread to other games/platforms. Its mainly the reason why Mxt's/lootboxes etc, have been tied with gameplay in so many games these days.

    • @fuzonzord9301
      @fuzonzord9301 Před 3 dny +3

      If only people could, like, move on and play something else/collect miniature's from some smaller creator's settings.

    • @elijahherstal776
      @elijahherstal776 Před 2 dny +1

      @@fuzonzord9301 you could just be honest and say "Play better games".

  • @kerbal666
    @kerbal666 Před 4 dny +10

    I love how Arch looks like he's always quietly seething with rage.

    • @ironxYT
      @ironxYT Před 4 dny +1

      He’s mad EmanG got a bigger response from GW than he did 😂

  • @z28yeti
    @z28yeti Před 5 dny +55

    You can see the disgust building on arch's face. dood is processing what eman is saying, while seething is rising to 100.
    Intellectual piracy... WOW... Nah sorry, that dood is an INTELLECTUAL FREEBOOTER! Free the models from the game we WANT to play, not the one we're FORCED to buy 100% new models and buy back into... GW are scum.

    • @ClokworkGremlin
      @ClokworkGremlin Před 5 dny +25

      Arch is a cool dude who really just wants to play his games, and he's sick and tired of the people who make those games trying to ruin it.

  • @SenseiLlama
    @SenseiLlama Před 5 dny +31

    They could have just sent a cease and desist. This is just an intimidation scheme.

    • @KdogPrime
      @KdogPrime Před 5 dny +13

      They did send a cease and desist, and he basically ignored it.
      But that doesn't give them the right to bankrupt him with legal fees by dragging this case on for months.

    • @RiskOfBaer
      @RiskOfBaer Před 4 dny +7

      He rightfully ignored it because he wasn't doing anything wrong. What they are doin right now punishing him for not complying with their intimidation.

    • @joshwenn989
      @joshwenn989 Před 4 dny +4

      @@RiskOfBaer Legally, he was doing _many_ things wrong, and he would have known this given he has a lawyer.

    • @RiskOfBaer
      @RiskOfBaer Před 4 dny +1

      @@joshwenn989 I didn't say he did nothing illegal. I said he didn't do anything wrong. And the only reason GW is doing what they are doing is because they know they have law on their side, despite clearly being the ones in the wrong.

    • @wolfie54321
      @wolfie54321 Před 4 dny

      @@joshwenn989 I doubt he had a lawyer at that point, if he did I'm sure he would have taken it down. He doesn't sound like an activist.

  • @PureMaddnessOne
    @PureMaddnessOne Před 5 dny +45

    Now i wonder would the company sue you if you sell the Warhammer items that you own on a flea market.

    • @nicwelch
      @nicwelch Před 5 dny +4

      To be fair that is not at all comparable to what has happened here.

    • @TheMaleRei
      @TheMaleRei Před 5 dny +33

      @@nicwelch
      With respect, if GW thought they *COULD* make that happen, we all know that GW *WOULD.*

    • @ClokworkGremlin
      @ClokworkGremlin Před 5 dny +11

      @@nicwelch That's true: Miniatures you own may still be products which they're still selling on the market, and could represent actual lost sales, instead of hypothetical lost sales for a product not currently on the market.

    • @jokinplaysgames
      @jokinplaysgames Před 3 dny

      Not even remotely the same thing.

    • @TheMaleRei
      @TheMaleRei Před 3 dny +3

      @jokinplaysgames
      All the courts need is one judge to establish precident and then other judges to agree with said precident.
      Bam.
      GW owns it all and turns out everyone is just leasing the product.

  • @corvus_armatura7595
    @corvus_armatura7595 Před 5 dny +30

    So the litigation process is just the equivalent of pinkertons. You can try and fight them off but it'll definitely cost you.

  • @tritarch6687
    @tritarch6687 Před 5 dny +14

    Let our hatred of GW create something better. Turn this hatred into raw creative power, this is how you triumph over evil like GW.

    • @EmanGameplay
      @EmanGameplay Před 5 dny +8

      I decided to start working on my own IP for this very reason. Something completely under my control that I am deeply passionate about.

    • @fuzonzord9301
      @fuzonzord9301 Před 3 dny

      @@EmanGameplay I wonder how many people from the 3d printer go brr crowd will actually support it.

  • @monkeyinapanzer
    @monkeyinapanzer Před 5 dny +29

    Figure I could offer maybe a little more context since EmanG either can’t or won’t on his behalf without potential repercussions.
    The files he offered where indeed modified (in some cases heavily modified to fit the correct loadout for table top) total war Warhammer models which indeed where free to download. However a pre-supported version of these was added in as part of his patreon (the files instead of needing to have supports added in the 3d printing software to print properly by the users would come with supports pre created) this SEEMS to be what GW had an issue with which is more then justified. However one of their initial arguments was that he was being deceptive in offering them for free as the files are useless without the supports. This is at best a lie on GW’s behalf as adding supports is rudimentary although copyright infringement claims are more than valid in this regard.
    Although GW definitely has a case on the copyright being violated their other arguments are significantly more flawed. The designs are in several cases a one for one from the video game. but look nothing like the official GW sculpts as those go for a more cartoonish design philosophy to the point the two designs look wildly different, have a completely different scale, and most don’t even fit on the proper base they are required to in order to be usable for a game. This then combines with the sculpts he made available had been for the most part for units that either haven’t for a long time or never had rules or an official model available although some most certainly did cover units that do have current support and could in theory deny GW a sale.
    Effectively long story short GW did have a legal right to demand these be taken down, but then tacted on several bad faith arguments and behaviors to its demands that go beyond the realm of justification at least in my eyes. GW won a minor legal victory and in turn looked like a jackass in the process.

    • @ANDELE3025
      @ANDELE3025 Před 4 dny +3

      While some of the models (dispensers, steve irwins mortal enemy of a changing NERD bird, etc) were 100% rips just by unmodified verts, for most there is still the need to prove that they were, in which case GW still has no right to sue as Total War games are made and all work for hire done by artists goes to CA.
      As CA in game designs are not 1:1s of the GW models and art, along with copyright requiring exact execution, the case is entirely bad faith and malicious thus should have been thrown out in prep for discovery.

    • @jokinplaysgames
      @jokinplaysgames Před 3 dny +2

      He wont tell because to do so would prove his absolute guilt. And so by being vague. He gets all these people on his side because he's obfuscating the truth period.

  • @BloodwyrmWildheart
    @BloodwyrmWildheart Před 5 dny +28

    GW deserve to lose all of their IPs to a superior organization...which seems to be most of them.

  • @darkjackl999
    @darkjackl999 Před 4 dny +21

    Never forget that GW also killed all the fan animations during an upswing of public sentiment no less, for Warhammer+
    "You're trying to steal what I've rightfully stolen"-GW credo

    • @Mugthraka
      @Mugthraka Před 3 dny

      @@darkjackl999 and yet the Corporate bootlickers will say that it is untrue and an exageration

  • @tomsmith5936
    @tomsmith5936 Před 4 dny +12

    Wait, so you directly lifted GW assets from the Total War files, tweaked them, released them whilst earning significant sums from Patreon, and ignored cease and desists. These are also for model lines that GW still sells like chaos deamons. Am I missing something?

    • @jokinplaysgames
      @jokinplaysgames Před 3 dny +6

      Nope. You got it. He committed a crime and came here and lied about it obfuscated the truth to Garner sympathy and go fund me money to help his lost legal cause cause he sold copyrighted materials.

    • @minimundus1712
      @minimundus1712 Před 3 dny

      Ohh so he did have a paetreon first comment ever were i read this about this case.....

    • @Goober2289
      @Goober2289 Před 2 dny

      @@tomsmith5936 I know man, this dude did this to himself. He got a cease and desist, ignored it and now is whinging because they took it further. This is not something unique to games workshop as much as they like to make out that this is such an evil company. Most companies take steps to protect their IP and will sue over stuff like this. He ripped assets from one of their games and was profiting off it. He has my sympathy but honestly he made his bed and now he has to lie in it.

  • @ArcherBro
    @ArcherBro Před 5 dny +10

    We need to reform copyright law to protect fanworks.

    • @user-zj6tl2jt9h
      @user-zj6tl2jt9h Před 4 dny +2

      we need to reform copyright law in general. It only gets used as a cudgel. It doesn't actually help artists or support them in any way. I had my own original songs copyright stricken by a person who hated me. There was no recourse.

    • @ArcherBro
      @ArcherBro Před 3 dny

      @@user-zj6tl2jt9h Indeed. A lot of mending to do.

  • @pensador6953
    @pensador6953 Před 5 dny +18

    17:45
    the process is the punishment, you would think there would be a way to stop that from hapening, like having it all done via skype, since distance and time no longer is a problem, you 'd think it would acellerate the gears of justice quite a lot.

  • @charlesmartinez5869
    @charlesmartinez5869 Před 5 dny +14

    GW is at it again. Really, it never ended.

  • @warspawnedpainting4380
    @warspawnedpainting4380 Před 5 dny +18

    GW have damaged themselves. Their endless litigation (Spots the Space Marine anyone?) to protect IP, itself a Frankenstein monster of many others, to claim "Intellectual Piracy" is pretty laughable and it's inherently a dystopian idea, at least to me. The reason people like EmanG are designing minis is because of GW's greed. Any successful company has to deal with imitators, 3rd party copies/parts etc. Countless imitations are made of movies, games, songs, auto parts, fashion brands etc. In GW's case their greed has more or less 'forced' players to go to numerous recasters and now 3D printing is making proxies go insane, set up by the failed Chapter House lawsuit.
    GW have created the perfect conditions for "intellectual piracy" to exist. If more and more people love Warhammer but hate GW it will only continue to drive sales away from the company. The reason it's so profitable is because they've overcharged for years and peoples passion for the hobby/setting meant they would still pay. Time will tell if that changes. I certainly think it has now become unaffordable for many, especially as older hobbyists have families and newer players are more likely to look at the cost of entry and either leave then and there or seek cheaper alternatives.
    This said I know EmanG's designs and he flew far too close to the sun, a slight change of style was needed across the board, not just a different name for stuff. I wish him well but I don't think he has a legal leg to stand on.
    That GW employ soneone to constantly seek out recasters and 3d designs and groups online shows the scale of the problem they in no small part created. If they weren't such corporatist dicks, I'd feel sorry for them.
    It's such a shame that they no longer foster creativity within the hobby (unless its kitbashing their product) and have taken an elitist view of their product. They could easily release a budget range, encourage people to make their own terrain or provide free pdf paper templates, start putting older designs remastered as stl files online and sell them, make coloring books, have their own official wiki, sell sanctioned cosplay designs, sell high quality scans of former paper products etc. For a company that values its IP so highly, they've done precious little with it to capitalise on its popularity which is why others have run off with it - it's a simple case of demand and supply and GW have failed at the supply, quite literally, for a long time now. It's so frustrating and I feel totally unnecessary. I equate them to Smaug, sitting on their golden IP doing nothing but when someone takes a coin they go a bit scorched earth. They must have lost so much custom with this bs attitude they have. It's such a shame when I think how great they could have been. But no, I think the spirit of GW died when Rick left and the corporatists took full control.

    • @fuzonzord9301
      @fuzonzord9301 Před 3 dny

      GW haven't created the problem of people using recast and 3d printing instead of moving on to some other game that is actually affordable.
      Just the fact that creatives have to engage in 3d modelling/sculpting IP violations instead of being able to sell their own IP, is you people's fault.

    • @jokinplaysgames
      @jokinplaysgames Před 3 dny +1

      He has no leg to stand on and is going to be bent over in court. Period and GW are gonna have their way with him period.

    • @warspawnedpainting4380
      @warspawnedpainting4380 Před 3 dny

      @@jokinplaysgames I agree, he was stupid and should have stopped. But for GW to drag it out for as long as possible to punish him is equally cruel, no matter how 'justified'.

  • @machinegunkeyboard5988
    @machinegunkeyboard5988 Před 4 dny +10

    For those of you who aren't fully aware.... he was reselling copyrighted assets from a video game. No one else who has genuinely made their own models has ever been deep in trouble like this.

    • @Davidxcat
      @Davidxcat Před 4 dny +5

      This is what people don't realize. It sucks for the person that he gets sued but if you stole copyrighted assets for resale from any company they will sue you. There are always two sides of the story.

  • @Raising_Runelords
    @Raising_Runelords Před 5 dny +43

    Warhammer The Old World released in January of this year, it uses (massively marked up) resin models identical to the original plastic and metal miniatures from upto 40 years ago.
    Law suits like this are extremely terrible for those caught up in it, but absolutely something GW does every chance they get, and it's not like GW aren't famous for doing this kind of thing.
    EmanG should have shuttered shop as soon as the announcement for Warhammer The Old World being slated for release was made public.
    Sorry dude, I hope you win, but I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.

  • @fireunbroken7023
    @fireunbroken7023 Před 5 dny +7

    the reason why they're suing him is because they're afraid of the truth

  • @thadonis.
    @thadonis. Před 5 dny +19

    -war- ban hammer.

  • @stevenbacon-cheddar9914
    @stevenbacon-cheddar9914 Před 3 dny +4

    Star Trek: nobody attacks fan made projects like us…
    Game’s Workshop: Hold our Heavy Bolter…😂

  • @s2korpionic
    @s2korpionic Před 5 dny +10

    I did not expect EmanG to be here. Grateful for your work man.

  • @abelbabel8484
    @abelbabel8484 Před 5 dny +24

    EmanG? I remember that name from the early 3d printing days. Ballin stuff

    • @EmanGameplay
      @EmanGameplay Před 5 dny +19

      I'm still around and still creating.

    • @asideofsalt.6645
      @asideofsalt.6645 Před 5 dny +2

      @@EmanGameplay we appreciate you. Any chance you could make tutorials on how to do the things you do?

    • @EmanGameplay
      @EmanGameplay Před 5 dny

      @@asideofsalt.6645 I publish time lapse videos of my work. You can find them on my channel.

    • @EmanGameplay
      @EmanGameplay Před 5 dny

      ​@@asideofsalt.6645 I make time lapses of my modeling work. You can find it on my channel.

    • @EmanGameplay
      @EmanGameplay Před 5 dny

      @@asideofsalt.6645 I post videos of my modeling work.

  • @A88mph
    @A88mph Před 5 dny +17

    At this point, GW fans are doing this to themselves. DROP WARHAMMER. PERIOD!!! Starve GW of, not only funds, but of cultural relevance as well!
    Grimdark is boring and overplayed anyway!

    • @EmanGameplay
      @EmanGameplay Před 5 dny +2

      I decided to start working on my own IP for this very reason. Something completely under my control that I am deeply passionate about.

    • @A88mph
      @A88mph Před 4 dny

      @@EmanGameplay So did I when CBS cracked down on Star Trek fan projects.

    • @davidea12
      @davidea12 Před 3 dny

      @@EmanGameplay and you will make less than you did selling presupported warhammer models.

    • @EmanGameplay
      @EmanGameplay Před 3 dny

      ​@@davidea12 Even if It's not highly profitable, It will still be something I care about. That's what matters.

  • @Rampageotron
    @Rampageotron Před 3 dny +1

    Stalling legal proceedings so that the defendant will lose even more money should result in throwing the case out automatically.

  • @neozeed8139
    @neozeed8139 Před 5 dny +4

    If you don't protect IP you can lose it. Including clear derivatives. It's sad as a fan, but this is what happens when our cultural touchstones are actually corporate products.

  • @S1e73n
    @S1e73n Před 5 dny +16

    Yet people say Nintendo is bad

    • @G360LIVE
      @G360LIVE Před 5 dny +14

      They still are. A worse company doesn't make Nintendo any less bad.

    • @EmanGameplay
      @EmanGameplay Před 5 dny +8

      I'd still argue Nintendo is worse.

    • @jokinplaysgames
      @jokinplaysgames Před 3 dny

      ​@@EmanGameplayyou stole assets and then resold them. You got yourself into this mess and I hope GW gets you for every dime you made and then some after you sit up here and lied and hid the truth.

  • @jacobnewell7845
    @jacobnewell7845 Před 4 dny +5

    Bad PR can sink any business

    • @Oblithian
      @Oblithian Před 4 dny +1

      At this point I hope it does, not to harm the employees, but simply to hold the company itself accountable for harassing fans and customers.

    • @dannygraves4997
      @dannygraves4997 Před 2 dny

      @@Oblithian ...Have you seen (most of) their modern employees?
      Not a bunch I'd hire.

  • @LordNecron
    @LordNecron Před 4 dny +3

    About 10 years or so ago, a german group was planning to make a fan movie, non profit and all. GW initially gave them permission.
    A while later, it was all done and cut, GW noticed that german laws did not permit a creator to write away their whole rights, even to non profit stuff. Basically, while the setting was GWs, the creators could not hand their actual scripting and writing of the fan movie to GW. Those rights would be retained forever.
    GW threatened to sue. Movie was 'leaked' onto torrents.

  • @AshandStoneNZ
    @AshandStoneNZ Před 5 dny +8

    People really need to just move on from GW. There are companies out there that make much better games, sell miniatures at a faction of the GW price, and don't hate their customers. They're so much more deserving of your time, money and fandom.

    • @EmanGameplay
      @EmanGameplay Před 5 dny

      I decided to start working on my own IP for this very reason. I wanted something completely under my control that I am deeply passionate about.

  • @Econofit1998
    @Econofit1998 Před 5 dny +18

    To shed some light, it sounds like the lawsuit is primarily seeking to enjoin (legally force) Eman to cease his activities. I doubt they are saying the damages are truly "priceless", but more likely that they are unquantifiable, especially if Games Workshop was no longer profiting directly from the products in question. This is likely to open the door for non-economic damages for reputational harm, which is tenuous but is likely meant to give them a stronger bargaining position and threaten Eman into settling and ceasing all activity.

  • @Ren089
    @Ren089 Před 5 dny +5

    That is why I am always critical with GW.

  • @Caursten
    @Caursten Před 5 dny +4

    Stop giving Games Workshop money. They don't care about you. They hate you. They have for a long time. It's why I stopped buying their products during Warhammer Fantasy 7th edition.

  • @mrbigglezworth42
    @mrbigglezworth42 Před 5 dny +12

    40k 12 years ago was definitely less "balanced" then it is today, but you know what it had in spades new 40k seemingly hates? Customization. Practically every codex had some way of altering the rules of your army to let it play how you wanted it to play...and it wasn't hidden behind dumb as crap stratagems. You're armies special rules were active at all times, not situationally.

  • @themalcontent100
    @themalcontent100 Před 5 dny +12

    Tell him to get a kickstarter and indigogo started. Hurt GW.

    • @SuperStarlord0915
      @SuperStarlord0915 Před 5 dny

      Hurt them, how would that hurt them, like hurt there DEI stuff or something else?

    • @themalcontent100
      @themalcontent100 Před 5 dny +5

      @@SuperStarlord0915
      GW doesn't give a F about a singular creator. They don't care about him. This is a war against the 3D printing. They want to scare anyone thinking of doing 3D printing. Why do u think they are boosting the prices? In 5 years from now 3D printers will be in every school. They will be so cheap.
      This is a delaying tactic.
      They are afraid of 3D printing and scaring the community.
      1 kick starter. If this guy can put a 40k inspired model on kickstarter, and everyone speaks about it. And those creators paint the models on youtube. That... well.

  • @kainenakcatraz7459
    @kainenakcatraz7459 Před 5 dny +3

    You should bring up the fact that GW's ip is a rip off of other ip's.

  • @margaretwood152
    @margaretwood152 Před 5 dny +14

    🤔⚖We should seriously get a *_CLASS-ACTION SUIT_* together.....with _ALL_ the companies that GW have -borrowed- *_$T0LEN_* inspiration from (e.g. Mike Moorecock, Frank Herbert's Estate)

  • @carloschristanio4709
    @carloschristanio4709 Před 5 dny +14

    Not buying new models, will buy used from here on

  • @AlphaBiggitz
    @AlphaBiggitz Před 3 dny

    The audacity for Games Workshop to say anyone copied them on anything.

  • @cobaltfog
    @cobaltfog Před 3 dny

    Much like government bans on things in demand, this only pushes things further to "secondary markets" where they won't even know their customers have left them to frequent.

  • @Cynder44
    @Cynder44 Před 2 dny +3

    That 'fan' is a thief though, GW is actually in the right this time. He blatantly stole totalwar game assets liscenced by GW.

  • @justinmarsh9802
    @justinmarsh9802 Před 3 dny

    GW thinks that now that they’ve crossed $1 billion in net worth, that they can be like Disney. It doesn’t work like that GW, get over yourself.

  • @randomcenturion7264
    @randomcenturion7264 Před 5 dny +6

    "We're changing the lore to appease Amazon! Also NO fan projects or we sue. And let's hike up prices again!"
    "Ebay and 3D Printer it is,"
    "How could they do this to us!?"

  • @dukeladderman1938
    @dukeladderman1938 Před 3 dny +1

    I support piracy 100%. That and boycotts are the only way to fight back against these companies.

  • @ryansmith-kd3xm
    @ryansmith-kd3xm Před 3 dny +1

    This is why I don't care about 40k anymore

  • @theravenking5930
    @theravenking5930 Před 3 dny +1

    Remember, don’t give GW money

  • @b.rangerreaper907
    @b.rangerreaper907 Před 3 dny

    I just started WARHAMMER 40k model painting, and this is exactly why I dont get my models directly from GW.
    I get mine through 3rd partys that probably give some form of royalties or something to GW sure, but as long as a decent amount of my money doesn't go to them, im happy with that. In the future, I'd like to cut GW out of the equation entirely, but like i said, I JUST started, and im not sure yet how I'd go about doing that exactly yet.

  • @LunaMane
    @LunaMane Před 3 dny +1

    I'm truly sorry that's happening to you, E-Man. I hope that matters get better for you. Talk about blood suckers. I wouldn't want anything to do with Warhammer if this happened to me.

  • @ssapp72
    @ssapp72 Před 3 dny +1

    Never giving a penny to Games Wokeshop.

  • @Pariahwulfen
    @Pariahwulfen Před 5 dny +1

    GW has ALWAYS been extremely litigious, and they at least used to love having them sealed after they finished. If you want to really dig into it, look at the boardgame "Princess Ryan's Star Marines", and what it was originally named.

  • @EmanS117
    @EmanS117 Před 5 dny +4

    A rare occasion for me where another Eman appears.. 😶‍🌫

  • @josephshriner2850
    @josephshriner2850 Před 3 dny

    Fun fact, none of these would be tournament legal at any GW tournament. So, not only were the pieces he made STL files for made predominantly for a defunct game, they could never be used in a corporate sponsored function.
    GW is no better than WotC and fans need to get that through their thick heads.

  • @karenbaldwin2867
    @karenbaldwin2867 Před 4 dny +1

    It’s this crap right here that’s made me switch over to alternate sci-fi tabletop and digital series. I just can’t stomach this crap anymore all my favorite fan content creators just keep getting attacked It’s inexcusable.

  • @zaqzilla1
    @zaqzilla1 Před 4 dny +1

    I hope everything turns out well for the guy.

  • @Bludvane_77
    @Bludvane_77 Před 2 dny

    Someone should sue GW for copying Xenomorphs when they "made" Tyranids.

  • @zaynevanday142
    @zaynevanday142 Před 3 dny +1

    Who owns GW ? Blackrock

  • @AscendantStoic
    @AscendantStoic Před 5 dny +2

    Stop giving GW your money FFS people, just stop, that's what they waste it on, harassing and intimidating creators and shutting them down.

  • @JaySharp604
    @JaySharp604 Před 3 dny

    1: wahapedia/New recruit
    2: 3D print proxy's
    3: library GW Novels
    Do Not Give GW ANY Money. That's how you beat a corporation. It's bank accounts.

  • @genma986
    @genma986 Před 3 dny +1

    Why I don't spend money on GW stuff anymore.

  • @alexius9072
    @alexius9072 Před 3 dny

    and nobody was suprised.

  • @beskararmor7966
    @beskararmor7966 Před 5 dny +2

    Punish your fans who are offering free advertisement and sharing their passion for you product...wow GW. I think your my number one hated retail company now.

  • @ericcook8254
    @ericcook8254 Před 3 dny

    You know if Gw put as much effort into their community and prices as they do with sueing people they wouldn't have as many of these issues.

  • @shanesmith7672
    @shanesmith7672 Před 3 dny +2

    I just googled some of EmanG's sculpts....ummmmm sorry guys but some of them are EXTREMELY blatently close copys...im sorry to be the one but to call this out but they are not juat "Proxys" if they are near exact copys. Im with GW on this one

    • @jokinplaysgames
      @jokinplaysgames Před 3 dny +1

      Exactly ! He outright stole their models and made money off them dudes a clown coming on here crying about it and doesn't think ppl can't research this on their own dude straight up sold someone else's copyrighted IP and got caught now comes on here obfuscated the truth. Hides facts and acts a victim.

  • @carlharrison3637
    @carlharrison3637 Před 4 dny +1

    I really feel for that guy. :( The stress has to be tremendous.

    • @jokinplaysgames
      @jokinplaysgames Před 3 dny

      Stress he created for himself. For stealing and profiting on someone's else's work and IP

  • @darksuns7384
    @darksuns7384 Před 5 dny +3

    GW only makes me think of Metal Gear Solid 2.

  • @rugbyquakeify
    @rugbyquakeify Před 4 dny

    And remember, this is the same company that tried to sue and claim that they coined the term "pauldron". The same company that charges way too much for way to little.
    3d printing forever, screw em. Love the models EMang, your work is not unappreciated

  • @celtic1842
    @celtic1842 Před 3 dny

    In my opinion this is more of a moral question than a legal question. Morally games workshop should not be doing this. But legally they can.

  • @DG_Haus
    @DG_Haus Před 3 dny

    I'm out, from 40 years of buying 40k, they'll never get another cent from me

  • @IamtheWV17
    @IamtheWV17 Před 3 dny +1

    I had no idea this was going down but immediately recognised EmanG's logo!
    Screw GW they can stuck eggs. I buy second hand or competitors almlst exclusively now.

    • @shanesmith7672
      @shanesmith7672 Před 3 dny

      I buy twice as many directly from GW to make up for your losses.

  • @dankirk25
    @dankirk25 Před 3 dny

    Given that GW is currently repackaging and selling WFB products as Old World kits, I'd imagine that releasing free STL files of those same kits would derail the Old World release somewhat. Is this a defence of GW's policy? Not exactly, but it is a feasible explanation as to why they're acting in this way rather than simply sending C&Ds.

  • @hyperguyver2
    @hyperguyver2 Před 5 dny +1

    Nobody hates their fans more than GW

  • @magos3849
    @magos3849 Před 3 dny

    ++Attrition maybe is'nt the fastest way to victory but bleeding the enemy dry of recources is in acceptable parameters.++
    ++The Guild of Worthlessness will fall++
    May the Ommnissiah bless us with patience!

    • @magos3849
      @magos3849 Před 3 dny

      Also, STC goes BRRRRRRRRR.

  • @Skarlet_Sun
    @Skarlet_Sun Před 4 dny +1

    I read the books and play some of the video games but never have, or will, play the tabletop. Still, I find this outrageous and will be pirating any and all GW content I might be interested in from now on. They can F off

  • @Lord_Aba
    @Lord_Aba Před 3 dny

    *insert "first time?" meme*

  • @carlthecaveman
    @carlthecaveman Před 3 dny

    The most damaging thing to GW's brand is GW.

  • @drowningin
    @drowningin Před 4 dny +1

    I prefer bolt action. I don’t war game though I’d love to. I just make dioramas

  • @Inaire_Falen
    @Inaire_Falen Před 5 dny +2

    19:44 that heaitation to countersue is exactly why they took no issue targeting him. a nice dude that easily complied ofcourse theyd target u :/

    • @RiskOfBaer
      @RiskOfBaer Před 4 dny +2

      It's always so easy to be a backseat driver isn't it? Do you even understand what it takes to sue somebody, let alone a CORPORATION? How much money and time that would take? Do you seriously not understand why he would be hesitant to do that?

  • @swordbrotherplatt9392

    26:52 maybe a go fund me for fights against GW…. So that fans could have a fighting fund to push back against the monolith that’s GW.

  • @Oblithian
    @Oblithian Před 4 dny

    Lawsuits are notoriously long. Fortunately they will have to provide decent evidence of actual damages.
    Hopefully this goes well.

  • @alpha-1redrighthand829

    Take it to court already and sue them hard

  • @gunnerbradley5282
    @gunnerbradley5282 Před 3 dny

    Can GW do anything right? No Guardsmen COD game? No Henry Cavil TV show? Attacking and insulting fans with every breath they take? The only reason they’re still in business is because BlackRock is funding them now.

  • @technomancer5025
    @technomancer5025 Před 3 dny

    Love your work emang, been downloading your models for awhile now. FGW!

    • @jokinplaysgames
      @jokinplaysgames Před 3 dny

      Thanks for letting us all know your a broke boy thief.

  • @chadh0nkleton774
    @chadh0nkleton774 Před 3 dny

    I love how the new fans of gw (and even some of the old ones) don’t know about the chapter house stuff back in 2012, and how gw was litigating against a lot of small CZcamsrs and fans. They are a sick company filled with evil people. They sued a CZcamsr for making paper mache replicas of bolt pistols. This is not new for them