Focus Pulling Basics
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2019
- Hello everyone! How are you all?
Today we are discussing focus pulling and some tips to help you when you're just starting out.
Hope you got something from this video and if you have any ideas of things that you want to see in a video, leave a comment below and let me know!
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Q: Hi Felicia! Great work!!! Probably a dumb question, but, how do you export Export/transcode Dailies for editorial, when you have so many different resolutions and aspect ratios with Red and ARRI? What resolution should be used for the ProRes Dailies? Is it always the same one? And, do you have to leave black bars or letterbox in some cases? I´m a little confuse about that. Thank you! This could be a nice video too, is hard to find precise information about this, I think.
Hi Agustin! This is something I've never really done before actually! I am planning on doing a video series sometime interviewing people in film about their jobs. Ive popped your question aside to maybe include in one of those videos. Just don't want to give any wrong information considering it's something I don't do. :)
@@flickcine Thank you for the reply : )
make a vedio for how to get a prefect focus without flo (mistakes)
Its probably too late but could you slow down a bit when explaining and make it a little more visual like when you talk 3:24 it would have been more clear had you cut to footage that shows what you are saying.
This is the real filmmaking content I wish more channels actually talked about. Why did it take me so long to find this channel, damn you CZcams algorithm. Recommending this to everyone.
Thanks, Aaron! Appreciate it!
Old-style film AC here. I can't imagine pulling focus by monitor. One of my methods for pulling on fast action, when I couldn't look at the focus dial - I would position my fingers at the major focus points on the dial, then feel when my fingers were passing that position. Very often laying numerous floor marks for the dolly or actor is futile, because you can't watch the actor and lens marks simultaneously. Just get the major positions and "feel" the distance between marks. Its like synchronizing your follow focus motion with the action. One memorable shoot was a car commercial in which the cars were fast driving down a runway toward camera on a long lens. I was the 2nd and sat far off on the side of the runway counting down to the 1st on a radio as the car passed successive markers on the side. It took a long time to set marks on the focus dial, but the focus was great throughout the shoot, and the 1st AC was grateful and congratulatory.
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I've heard "Cinnamontoastology" before lol.
So happy you're doing this. So valuable for people like me trying to get into the camera department! cant thank you enough
You are very welcome, Jacob! Glad you're finding the videos helpful!
Funnest time being an ENG/doco operator, pulling your own focus as you operate, no marks, no time to prep, whilst you are also running/walking and pulling iris and zoom.... It has taught me some great muscle memory, but I'm kinda shit at pulling focus on anything else that doesn't use that muscle memory. /rant
I have watched people pull off the monitor on a large commercial wondering "how do they know" thinking they must just be very expert. Turns out most of the footage was soft with just 1 sec here and there that were in focus (but it didnt matter as it was shot in slow-mo and that 1 sec was 3sec of screen time)
Great video. I’ve been in camera dept. for about 25 years, pulling focus most of that time. Started on film with video taps and at least a little stop to work with. It seems like the concept of getting marks is a throw back to a time when there was more appreciation for the craft of getting a shot. I feel like most DP’s I work with now shoot WIDE OPEN, and you have no stop whatsoever. So even knowing or hitting a mark won’t be tack sharp. I probably sound like a grumpy old dude, but it seems like modern sets move very fast, and you pretty much have to pull off a monitor. I almost never pull a tape or disto anymore, there’s just no time allotted. At best an operator might give me a chance to get a few marks on my follow focus. It’s also funny to think that I can’t remember the last time I pulled next to camera off a studio FF.
Thanks for taking the time to comment, Geoff! I totally agree with you. Things move so quickly now that it's rare to be able to get proper marks and not have to pull from a monitor. Personally I think pulling from marks and judging distances are still good skills to learn early on. Hopefully those skills don't disappear anytime soon. It's an absolute art, pulling focus.
@@flickcine For sure. Sometimes you need to advocate to get marks. I can think of a shot within the last year. Talent walking up from about 20 yards away to a close up. We gotta go go go. First couple takes the director says "it's kind of buzz-y". You think?! Then I had to insist we get marks and have someone call them out for me. I think that the unspoken attitude now it that AC's have these nice bright, sharp monitors, so just do your job and pull focus. It seems like so many situations have a dynamic camera (slider, steadicam, hand held), so marks are just kind of a starting point and you've got to be on your toes. Don't get me started with vintage glass, that's never totally sharp - ha! Great tip about peaking. It's super helpful, but can fool you. "Are you sharp"? "Looks sharp to me, but I have the peaking cranked"! Oops.
You are such a great teacher. Thanks for this amazing video, could watch you explain for hours.
Got this video on my recommended feed and I'm so happy I did. Learned so much about focus pulling and the tech around these lenses that I never even thought of!
So glad you enjoyed, Greg!!
Finally someone explaining it well, cheers!
Having been a 1st AC for 40 years I am happy to see an advocate for using traditional focus marks, a disappearing skill, rather than working off a monitor, which is at best reactive, and not as useful as a successful method. The advent of digital filmmaking has its advantages for production, but also many disadvantages for focuspullers, the seduction of the hd monitor being only one,
Can’t change 3D space 😮 ask mansions or framers if the build by eye doubtful by time they reach opposite corner or frame it off 6” oops so yes great idea to get a reference mark to base and triangulate the newer generations like video game effect I need to do both to ensure I have idea where action supposed to be - actors not hit marks is another video alone
Over/Under or "Figure-8" also reduces the Heterodyne effect. Over/Over actually starts to create an electromagnet which can introduce hum or signal interference with Audio or Video cables. For power cables... not so much of a worry. This was in reference to the question at the end of the focus pulling video.
Looked up “focus pulling” because I was curious and I’d heard the term before - never done any filming, but this was very informative and easy to understand!
Thank you Felicia, for passing some of your wisdom! Appreciate you!
Great video! I just discovered your channel you've got a new sub! I am doing my first gig as a 1st AC and i'm a bit nervous about the focus pulling aspect so this really helped. 😅I've been working as a freelance videographer for a long time so i'm used to doing everything by myself. Been graduating into larger sets. I see the key is to keep practicing!
I learned this from my film school, but I'm glad it's getting easier for people to simply learn!
Great content and very nice way of presenting it! Love your way of explaining - very authentic.
hey, an ENG editor here! just wanted to say this helped tremendously with learning how to AC. it's probably the hardest aspect of videography/camera work for me
Hi felica....
Im very thankful to u about ur tutorial.... Thank you so much.... Keep doing these type of tutorias....🙂🙂
Great explanation...It was truly a brilliant tutorial. Thanks a lot
Thanks for this video! Helps a lot!
Love this. Super helpful
Love this channel - Flick rocks! Keep up the great work.
Very useful for people starting 👍 In my days we had no Internet and NO MONITORS ! Video assist was B/W and just about ok for framing. We had to either measure, if there was time or eyeball it. I also used to take in consideration the aperture. If it was T8 or above on 50mm or even 85mm it wasn't as critical as at T2 obviously.
Great content. Thank you for putting this out there!
Your channel is so high quality! Continue please :)
Thank you so much for sharing this！Its really useful
Wow, the practical approach was so smart.
Helpful high level tips. The dots help!
Great stuff indeed thanks!
Great video - thank you!
'stumbled' across this, as a budding cinematographer / operator who is crap at distance approximation. what an informative & amiable presentation style. my wife walked into the room and watched for a moment, then said "you know how you sometimes take a look at someone and within seconds know that they must be lovely?" and i absolutely agree. thank you for this. duly subscribed.
Awwww that's so nice! Thanks so much 😊
@@flickcine and now i start on the binge of all your videos. this is already great. so glad there are resources like this available.
@@halsinden 😂 enjoy!!
I love learning from you. Great flow
Finally, someone who has their FF knob on the right side of the camera. I always wondered why everyone has it on the left side of the camera.
great insight!
Super great info!
Good for stills lenses too, even though many don’t have distance markers on the focus ring. Using a “hard stop” followfocus rig is important here.
Awesome! Thank you!
Really good video... especially the suggestion to mark the lens when there is play in the follow focus wheel. I'm using vintage Canon FD lenses... soft image, great glass.
The cinnamon-tography joke started here! Way ahead of our time, flick!!!
Awesome thanks!
Your video is so helpful
Very interesting, thanks!!
first time understanding how to pull focus. ive always wondered how can a CA be so precise at pulling focus when they have a trully close shot and need to focus something far away. I thought they just... pull/guess till they get there lol. this was extremely helpful thanks
Thanks for answering my question! Even though I haven't really 1st AC'ed, I didn't know it was bad to rely on the monitor! I know certainly within the digital age, people start to rely on technology and less on the traditional way of doing. Will remember that if I get to that point in my career, to look at the action, thanks for the tips! :)
You're welcome!!
this is great thank you
You are a genius!!! Thanks.
Thanks , this is good tips
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I love your advice, I'm trying to follow all of that to my best abilities. This "pulling on the lens, looking at the action more than your monitor" way is how I learned and I love working that way, but since a few years I find the role of 1st AC being pushed further and further back and even with insisting that I'd prefer not, some DP put the focus puller so far from the action, sometimes in another room even, no rehearsals, relying only on a small wireless monitor alone in my small office while the 2nd AC takes the role of "camera protector/ relieving weight from DP" because he is in the room with the action slating. Do you also experience this shift in the practice on set? If yes how do you feel/go about it?
Hi, Felicia, thank you for the great work! Learned some focus pulling basics from your video :). I have a question. I am a small mirrorless camera user (GH5) and have a still lens that has some cinema hard stop mimic feature (Sigma 18-35mm. It has a semi-hard stop). The camera's auto-focus isn't that great and I want to start learning focus pulling. I have been debating on whether to get a passive follow focus (e.g.: Fotga DP500III with rails) or an active wireless follow focus (Tilta nano). Do you have any suggestions? Would these be overkill for a small camera system？
Thank you for making these
You're very welcome! 😊
very helpfull, thank you.
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Thank you for this! Recently I got my first gig as 1ac/focus puller/everything else. Whe were using canon photography lens and a wireless follow focus and I can properly say that I hit better mark with my hands than with the follow focus, I don't know why I just felt it more "organic" hahaha it's hard to explain.
I would love to hear your opinion.
thanks...watching your videos in quarantine. :)
thanks again
Great!!
I learnt more from this than the camera assistant short course I did at AFTRS six years ago
Oh for real?! Thanks! That's quite a compliment. Glad you enjoyed the video. 😊
This is such a cool video. Thank you for the tips. I just subbed.
Thanks so much 😊
Hey great timing! I’m doing my first full length film as the first AC. And we were gonna be shooting on Cooks but we were getting vignetting on the Red Dragon 6k. So we decided to go with SLR style Zise Primes. Oh joy! It’s been interesting.
I’m Pretty much solely having to pull from monitor. Getting distance marks have been pointless because there’s almost no marks on the lenses. 😭
Great video! Been loving your channel.
Oh wow. Best of luck, Nick!
Felicia Smith Thanks! Gonna need it for the rest of the shoot.
@@nicklong7442 I feel the pain. I shot a Series on SLR lenses. My god it's a nightmare. Even if you set marks they're never fixed so it's pointless.
THANK YOU
Go Go Flick!!
Q Your teaching and channel are phenomenal. Thank you. I have a more basic question about focus. I use a Sony FS700R and am beginning to manual focus. Is there an f stop that is the sweat spot for pulling focus? I understand F 1.8 is very hard to pull and F 18 has almost no pull. I was wondering if there is a certain stop that gives a good median between a shallow depth of field and everything being in focus. I shoot mostly motocross racing and try to keep one racer in focus as he is moving pretty quickly. Maybe 45 mph. Thank you kindly for a response. Cheers
Sorry for the delay!
Thanks for the kind words :)
I'd say about 4.0 would be a good stop. Also kind of depends on the focal length. A longer focal length will get you some shallower depth too.
I don't have any experience shooting motorcross so wouldn't have much valuable advice on a stop for that sort of motion but if it was very quick I would maybe go to 5.6 or 8. Might take a little bit of testing to get the desired results! 👍
Please make cinnamon lens a thing lol
like a t shirt or something
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thanks, good information.............
No problem at all! Thanks for watching :)
Q: how do you pull long distance focus without a break? Btw. awesome video, thanks!👍
Really helpful
a- I've found another technique- use an sir camera to help determine distance (ie, use an old film camera with a 50mm or 135mm to determine the distance)
b- looking forward to doing this on a 16mm camera...
great advice
Continue,, Felicia
Thank you for such an informative video as a young film student this stuff is highly valuable! I am trying to understand because I see a lot of focus pullers seemingly writing the numbers for the whole lens? As opposed to just doing a couple of marks for actors etc as you are. I am confused as to what you are meant to do? Would appreciate any help
Q: Hi Felicia, do you have any focus pulling tips for using less professional DSLR lenses without measurements? I've only ever used the monitor to visually assess focus pulls, so I'm not sure if there's a better way to do it when you don't have anything to mark? Is there still a point to measuring the physical distance? Thanks!!
DSLR lenses aren't really designed for cinema and as such, they don't really have a lot of or very precise witness marks. Your best bet is probably using the Monitor for DSLR lenses
thank you very much. I've been looking for video on focus pulling for a long time now. I hope you're gonna post more videos on the subject. how the understand focus plane and pull focus at right time ? of course depending on the aperture
Thanks for watching! I will attempt to maybe make more videos on focus but as it's not my job, I prefer to have experts come and explain things. The current plan is to have someone who is a professional focus puller explain the more complicated things and give their point of view :)
@@flickcine okay. I'll be waiting for that.
SUBSCRIBED :) Finally a nice girl in cinematography. Very nice informative presentation. Thank you
Great video flick 😊 you have the perfect voice for tutorials 😁💯👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
can you still pull focus manually with just using the built in lens wheel or do you need to have a dedicated focus pulling device ?
P.s none of your links to your other socials are working 🙃
Thanks so much for the kind words!
You can but using a follow focus allows you to turn your hand less to do a longer pull if that makes sense. It's also much more comfortable!
Yeaaaah I am aware, unfortunately CZcams doesn't make it easy to change links over all videos and I've got.... So many.
You can find me at @flickcine on instagram. I rarely use twitter but it's the same as insta handle :)
Damn your channel is good and informative.
the problem with peaking is that, if you don't have good contrast on your supposed focus subject, you won't see peaking even if the subject is dead sharp
Whenever im shooting between 1.4 and 2 on a long lens i do a sort of hybrid method. You look at key points in the scene ie walks or whatever, then you use the monitor to keep them sharp when you're tight on the face.
Its hard to get used too, but i feel as though its the only way i can survive with those ridiculously narrow depths of field.
PS. DPs are tryna kill us with all of this 1.4 shit
really nice content, suscribed
Got an 1st AC gig tomorrow. Gonna need to get myself a fabric measuring tape after this! This is going to help me a lot. I am relatively new to this but I have a few jobs coming up which is scary. I had an email about how they are going to do a lot of dynamic handheld shots and if I’m comfortable with that. Told them I am okay with it but if I need anything I’ll ask them. I didn’t want to undersell my abilities but I also don’t want to over compensate either. Trying not to let my imposter syndrome get the best of me but that’s the hardest part to get past. I was lucky enough to go to a high school with the technology to support me on my ventures. I’m still learning and have a long way to go but trusting myself is the first step.
Hey jo, hope you’re well and have overcome the fear or “imposter syndrome” that you were battling 8 months ago. I’m currently facing the same feeling and your comment really made me feel better. I’ve been pulling focus off & on for the past 3-4 years yet now that I’ve finally landed at commercial where I’ll be 1st with no other of my peers around to help or ask questions to, I’m kind of freaking out but knowing myself, I know that that’s the way I like to learn and actually have the information stick.
Can you use a laser range finder for the measurement? Not sure if it’s accurate enough for this application
Basically to keep a subject in focus for example the subject if 6 ft away from the camera and the mark on thr cine lens has to be the same to keep things in Focus ?
Are there any hard and fast rules of which side the follow focus should be?
It's definitely good practice to understand how to measure for marks, but with the quality of monitors today it's unrealistic to say they're not reliable to grab marks off of. I've been pulling basically 80% off only monitor for the last 4 years, and rarely is it a disadvantage. With the pace the shows I work on move at, if I pulled out a tape measure Of surely be strung up.
Encourage an understanding of depth of field, because that is no doubt an essential ingredient to a successful 1st AC, but don't imply incompetence of AC's that trust their monitors.
Why waste time measuring when you can look at a screen and tell if it's in focus or not?
Ah I think there might be a slight misunderstanding here. I'm not implying incompetence at all. And if that's what came across, my apologies, that was not intended. This video is for complete beginners to get them used to the methods used and I completely agree with what you're saying. What I'm saying is understanding the space is the best method to get used to and practice, because when it comes to pulling from a monitor you have that skill backing you up and can easily adapt. Maybe I didn't explain it as clearly as I could have, in the scheme of things this video is quite old, I'm getting better at presenting and CZcams isn't my full time job 😅
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I do agree with you completely. Have a good one!
You say to watch the action and not the monitor, but what if your aperture is wide open and the subject leans in or moves around with exaggerated movement? We’re talking inches here, right? I ran into this issue just last night. I was operating and pulling focus so obviously my face was in the monitor. But for a focus puller, how do people keep focus while just watching the action? Especially handheld.
Great video. New subscriber, and a very happy one. :)
im 6ft tall. i will literally sometimes just spread my arms near the camera and use that muscle memory to help me gauge how far the subject seems to me. usually i use a laser tho yah
A Leica Disto (properly used, under "normal" conditions) should be accurate to a mm or two. I have a less expensive Bosch laser "tape" that I compared with a metal measuring tape, and it was consistently accurate to 1/16 of an inch (1.59mm) from a few inches up to 20ish feet (7m). Obviously, you can't shoot the laser in an actor's eye, and maybe stuff like hair and clothing could throw off the optical measurement if it's other than solid, but generally, you should get the same measurement from a Disto as a measuring tape. What I did was to lay a tape on the floor with the end at a wall, then slid the unit along the tape taking different measurements and confirming that the laser agreed with the tape. I was surprised how well it worked considering it's measuring the time the pulse takes at the speed of light over a short distance!
Agree with you there! That's kind of what I meant by "not the most accurate" because of how you have to measure actors (without blinding them 😂) I used to measure to the cheek. But never really used a laser for focus critical closeups, much preferred a tape and gathered a range of movement. Lasers are a great and very important part of a kit!
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Cheers, Nate!
Thank you! interesting, I love the jokes too, I'm a 5D camera videographer, great tips, cheers!
nice video do you have one thats even more basic to understand focus principles with visual examples for reference?
Please tell me mam.. the best follow focus in low budget...
How about on systems where you can change the gears. Which gives a longer throw, higher or smaller teeth count?
I think your advice applies for studio sets and shoots when there's planned, rehearsed action. I work on tight, fast paced corporate film shoots and there's never time to even think about marks: look at the monitor, pull your focus and good luck with it. Once a studio-oriented AC came in, tried taking his nice measurements with his laser and metal tape and it was a disaster! Poor guy, he didn't hit a single sharp take for some of the actions. My recommendation would be, no matter how accurate you take your marks: always look at your monitor.
Sounds like the better advice is knowing what techniques to use for the shoot you’re working on.
I just subbed because I finished The Queen's Gambit and the DP for the series was a focus puller on a lot of Spielberg projects. You can tell when watching it that he worked on camera crews because of how dynamic the shots were and a fantastic use of variable focus in scenes.
I fucked up the opening shot for my first film in school on a Bolex with a prime lens on a push-in shot. Blurry AF.
I've watched the first ep so far and woooow, such wonderful cinematography.
Haha, we've all been there!
Could u make a more in depth video about pulling focus with for example a arri sxu 1 or a nucleus M?
Hi Felicia !
Great Video ! I have a question.
Once the distance of the subject has been measured to the phi sign on the camera with a tape, how does x mm translate to the correct dial on the lens wheel ? Or do i just wheel the dial until i find the focus and mark the dial ?
Thank-you !
You can definitely just find the focus and mark the dial if you're short on time. However If you're taking measurements, there is a small line/mark on the lens that indicates the distance the lens is focused to. This mark is very likely to be on the left and right sides of the lens, sometimes that can change though. But cinema lenses have the marks on their sides. So you move the focus wheel until you're at the appropriate measurement on the lens, at this point you can also double check on a monitor to see the focus is correct, and then you mark that on your focus wheel dial.
If you notice that you have definitely measured a distance, let's say 3ft.
Then you've pulled the focus to the marking on the lens that says 3ft and it is still not in focus then there may be an issue with the lens so it is worth checking the measurements again to be sure then getting the lens checked over by a technician. That's all usually done during gear prep before the job though. :)
Hope this answered your question!
@@flickcine That was really helpful Felicia, thank-you ! :)
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Im a dumb. My question is once you have a mesurment how do you know your even in focus. would aperture come into it?
Then i saw the mesurment marks on the lenses. Ohhhhhhh.
And i went to film school.
Fml.
Lol!! Amazing!!
Once the depth of field is shallower than f1.2 on s35 on 50mm you pretty much have to pull off of the monitor