Colin and Brad Talk Final Fantasy VII Rebirth | Sacred Symbols+, Episode 379
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
- In mid-April, we at Last Stand published a nearly-four hour review discussion and spoilercast for Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, and it was well-received (thank you for that). But there was a common request among many viewers and listeners: "We want Colin's opinion, too." Well, fine! I (Colin) am finally done with Rebirth after 89 hours, and while I may go back to clean up a few things, I'm pretty much satisfied. Well, more than satisfied, really. Final Fantasy VII Rebirth is exceptional -- one of the best RPGs ever made, in fact -- and it moves effortlessly from strength to strength. From resonant storytelling and powerful characters to a living, breathing world and incredibly high stakes, Square Enix truly nailed it, which may not come as a surprise considering how good 2020's Remake itself was. I was grateful to have Summon Sign's Brad Ellis along with me for a couple of hours, as we worked our way through just some of what makes this adventure shine. And we admit that there's so much to say that we may just have to do another episode in the near-future, perhaps with your inquiries as the fuel.
- Hry
Brad was such a get for LSM. And love the discussion and the game. Thanks for this ep
Intro - welcome Brad 0:17
Workout talk 0:39
Where did Colin live in San Francisco? 4:34
Workout talk continues/Brads been feeling sick 7:15
Giving Brad his flowers 💐 8:34
Outline/Colin wrote some notes after beating the game 11:49
Colin’s overall thoughts 13:43
Colin really likes… (the meat) 42:03
Dude. That “NO!” from Cloud when he blocks Sephiroth is one of the greatest, most powerful voice acting moments ever. That gave me shivers.
Yeah… the worst part is that he borderline wanted to kill her not too much earlier when she was running from him on the branches
Imo it's less the voice performance and more the weight and implication of what that moment means. The voice acting in this game and Remake is decent but never truly stood out to me.
It's nearly as good as "I'll kill you" from Shulk in Xenoblade.
Ty Colin and Brad for being sane and sensible people in not being blinded by the Chadley hate. He's a wayyyyy better character than the hate makes it seem.
Also Chris hating on Yuffie is proof he's miserable and would rather the end of days wipe us all out tomorrow. No other explanation.
Chadley is miserable and it sucks that a character that is not in the original has the most spoken dialogue in the game and controls every aspect of your interaction with the world... he doesn't need to interrupt you every time you mindlessly scan a crystal for the 100th time to tell you you did a good job scanning that Crystal.
I'd trust someone who understands how cringe Yuffie is over someone trying to defend the character in a YT comment section.
About FFVII Rebirth's side content: I actually think this game has more meaningful and worthwhile side quests than most JRPGs. So many JRPGs bloat it with garbage fetch quests. Many in Rebirth were fun and had story elements to them or just felt meaty and meaningful. The ones that did feel a little bloat-y were some of the Chadley regional ones. Could they have cut some of those out? Sure. But that would lead to what I consider even a bigger pet peeve in RPGs: big worlds with nothing in them. It feels like Square was trying to make these large areas feel worth exploring and oversaturated them a bit, but I'd rather have that than the alternative. Some games you play these days you can tell they just wanted to hop on the open world bandwagon but didn't have any content to put in these worlds. Square did, and I'm fine with the amount of side content that was in it.
Agreed. I actually went back and replayed it without the side quests thinking that i would rather just focus on the storyline, but i felt like i was missing out on details that enhanced the story (i.e. Red XIII’s dad with the Gi). And it’s OPTIONAL. That’s the part i think people forget. This game truly defines what an RPG is.
Agreed!
Edit: I forgot about yuffie
If you get tifa or yuffie for the date, they will be your partner for Loveless, but otherwise it defaults to Aerith IIRC
If you get the Cid/Vincent/Cait date it’s because your relationship isn’t high enough with anyone else.
You can get yuffie as well
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu oh yeah good point. I’ll edit for that
One of the cool things about FFVII Rebirth is how almost every side quest you finish has a great payoff. Not just with items and equipment, but all the cutscenes and dialogue make everything you do feels like it matters significantly. The best payoff is the protorelic side quest with Gilgamesh. Love seeing that in a big RPG like this, because I never feel like my time is wasted.
Oh please square enix, make Pt 3 longer with 3 times the Mini games to troll colin.
Weeb and trolling is a thing now
Grab your snow board dude. That's gonna be how part 3 opens.
The mini-games ruled. Idk why anyone would want to go back to Part 1's hallway simulator talkathon over having things to actually do in the game.
If the side content is this good go even more wild for part 3, don’t play it if it’s too much for you not gamers problem
i want the platinum rate for rebirth to go up to troll colin. get to work people
Maybe Chadley will bring us Active Time Lore in part 3, via his Remnawave network
I was today years old when I learned Cait Sith is Reeve...
Really? It was clear in the OG.
And you played the OG?
@@stonehorn4641some people just have 0 brain power
Who the fuck is reeve lmao
@@710moose8 He's the one of the main Shinra execs who's actually good. He was the one in the first game begging the president not to drop the plate.
It has honestly been a long time since I've played a game this special... I liked the first game a lot, so going into this one I expected a good experience but this game constantly blew me away. They truly don't make games like this anymore. One of the best games I've played over the past decade for sure
I just got so over the same amount of tasks in every area. Especially when the story started gettting intense and it would make no sense that the party would go do these things in that moment. By the time I got back to Nibelheim I was pretty much done with the side quests apart from the protorelic stuff because that seem to have bigger story implications as well.
I think a good way to continue this conversation is if DLC for Rebirth comes out or a teaser/name for Part 3 gets released.
The clear materia was empty because the whispers stole its power in Remake. Aerith explains this early in the game to RedXIII in Costa Del Sol. At the end of the game, Aerith from another timeline gives her white materia to Cloud to bring to herself in the present timeline so that she can use it at the alter.
Colin, the reason why there's not many trophies are done is because the Chadley sims are incredibly brutal.
I forgot to add that ff7 rebirth is so far my GOTY with a 9.5/10 infinite wealth, dragons dogma 2 (... the end game and true ending was sick- what a cool game) , persona 3 reloaded (games I all platinumed) are all 9/10s. Only contender to rebirth this year is gonna be Metaphor, and that is a serious one.
I dont know colin might be right, we could get the evangelion 3.0+1.0 ending where its different and we fix all the timelines and zack and aerith could be saved.
Brought into the world from the other timelines.
We're just going to have to wait and see.
I'm So Excited to see you two together!! You guys are the best! I LOVED this game FF7 Remake Part 2 Rebirth may be my favorite game of all time! The ONLY thing it needs is a JUMP BUTTON especially for Gongaga! Super excited for Part 3!
Been waiting on this one for a while. I’m locked in. Keep it up. Y’all been doing a great job.
If the graphics update hadn't caused a bug that prevented completion of all side quests more people would have that trophy. By the time that bug was fixed people had finished the story and stopped playing
Yep, Only quest I didn't do was that shinra manager one. It was seemingly challenging so I wasn't going to spend time on it if I wasn't even going to rewarded for it. (Besides the cutscene you get from it which is amazing)
Best FF ever, and very easily imo.
Great point on the meaningful side content Brad, it is the reason I do most of the side content (small tiny bits of story) but it is absolutely not 100% necessary like Colin is acting lol
Plenty of people play games the way Colin does. I did with this because I love FF7
@@stonehorn4641 “plenty” is actually the vast minority going off of trophy data. It’s cool to play how you want but it doesn’t mean it is necessary to experience the game or the intended experience
They had avlanche backstory hidden behind some weird RTS/tower mini game which you had to do multiple times. That is bizarre though. And as someone said before, this almost felt like S-E was testing the water to see if any "mini game" could become their own phone game to cash in on later.
@@linkinparkblink182roit's kind of surprisimg the number of people who don't understand the plot of ff7.
I've noticed this from Facebook groups and things. But alot of people who played OG ff7 had no idea who Zack was or the Cait sith was reeve, or who the black robes were.
And about sephiroth being up in nothern creator for most of the game until cloud give him the black materia.
It's kind of alarming. But yet they still like ff7.
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu yeah these are the first FF7 games (and JRPGs) I’ve played and I’m loving them as a first timer! FF16 was really good too
2 hours of Brad and Colin gushing about Rebirth? Yes please.
COLIN, what you´ve said about the "outcomes" of doing all the side quests is exactly what happened in the original 1997 FF 7, if you didn´t do the side quest you wouldn´t meet and get yuffie and vincent, also you wouldn´t know about Zack, you only knew about him if you did the side quest., also, that is the same situation with The Witcher 3 (one of the BEST games ever), and in the yakuza games, Mass Effect and Red Dead 2, in witcher 3 especially, the game is really far better when you explore the side quest, the main story is not that great but the meat and potatoes is on the side quest, the feeling of really exploring that world, finding people and living adventures through their stories, they took a LOT from the Witcher 3 both in Rebirth and in FF 16 and even in FF 15
If this game was just a 40 hr game all story and meaningful side quests it would of been great
FF VII Rebirth is a great game! Loved the discussion ❤
I’m not listening because I’ve played Rebirth (because I haven’t), but because I wanted to hear your voices. Great episode!
FF7 Rebirth is a great game!!! it will certainly be one of the best games of 2024
Whoever has the possibility, buy it !!! you won't regret it.
Good games deserve to be supported
My theory is all the R&D spent on minigames is simply for standalone games in the future. You don’t have a chocobo racing minigame this detailed and only be able to play it in Rebirth.
The Colin/Brad chemistry is up there with the Colin/Chris chemistry. I can listen to you guys forever.
I played Rebirth on easy, skipped all side content I didn't immediately want to do and VAULTED over all the complaints people seemed to have about the game. Now I can go back and complete everything at my own leasure. Remake I played on normal and I though dynamic difficulty would be perfect for Rebirth, but I soon realized that would be heavily gimping myself without the xp I'd get doing side hustles 😂
Thats so funny that colin forgot that aerith was in the play at the gold saucer
Speaking of the GI-tribe. remember what Red XIII promised them? he would help them WITHOUT using the black materia and save them. That has to be a quest of part 3, OR maybe thats what red xiii will be doing after the story for the next centuries.
Leaving a like then sadly will not watch this episode, as I've not played the game yet.
Next one will surely be called Resurrection or Reunion?
Definitely not reunion, they used that for Crisis Core
Remember! Cloud need to remember who he really was, the planet need to remember the real events with the whispers being messed up!
Great discussion. 13:40 actual start of the discussion of FF7R. Before it's about San Francisco for some reason 😂
I think of Chrono Trigger when I hear "Glenn".
Once again, Rebirth has the exact same trophy completion as remake for the final chapter and both games are in line with other story games trophy percentage.
I got the dog for the date at gold saucer
35:55 hundreds of hours of mahjong 🀄 to platinum the Yakuza games
@Brad. I have had the flu and terrible allergies at the same time. It is not a good experience.
You guys really needed to do this with someone who actually did hard mode or the brutal and legendary challenges…
Most of your complaints or questions are completely answered. Relationships, character uses and unique abilities, materia, abilities, mp conservation, blocking and etc all mean nothing because you guys only did normal mode. Aerith is in the play (unless you have Tifa or Yuffie) 🤦🏻♂️ and Cissnai says the same answer no matter what question you choose to ask her.
You miss out on 90% of the gameplay mechanics and details by only playing through the story on normal. You really do.
Totally agree. The dynamic/normal mode is meant for someone who wants to casually enjoy playing the game and the storyline. If you want the actual challenge of the game and get the most out of how the game WANTS you to play, hard mode is it. It forces you to use all of your characters and their abilities and the materia. Like FF is meant to be played.
Lol the dunky video colin mentioned about why no one remembers video game stories is just him listing every game that uses amnesia as a story trope.
Its a pretty funny video. Its just like 10 minutes of him asmr whispering listing games and saying amnesia.
How could the remake series be ported to Switch without massive compromises to gameplay and graphics?
I have never been really invested in final fantasy games. I preferred mana and tales of games. I liked the game but didn’t love the game FFR. I don’t see the point to do all the side stuff. I understand wanting to complete everything in a game because that’s usually how I usually start a game. But when I saw the Ubisoft map I noped out on doing everything. It becomes a job when I feel the need to do everything and not a game. Everyone’s playthough is valid as long as they play how they want.
Brad’s awesome
I’d rather play a 100 hour game that I love 80 hours of then play a 30 hour game I love 30 hours of. Give me more
To the people complaining about the trophy go platinum ff10 and then come back to me
Only og recognize Glenn as frog. Lol
6:05 Colin: “ that was when I lived in the gay house.”
Brad: “The GAY house??” lol 😆
I love that Colin adores the ending. ❤
dagan is oddly good at being a host
you all are i dont get it. i couldnt do it im way too introverted. I think C is just a really good judge of talent
This was a fantastic discussion. Thanks Colin and Brad
Wondering why Dustin wasn’t on this one? Oh yea he just golden pathed the game. 🤦🏻♂️
Colin can’t even recall his loveless play. 🤦🏻♂️
Colin, you should really look into proper training if you’re working out that many days. Aim for hyper trophy and give yourself more rest days.
Hard disagree on moogles, the prizes you can trade for were worth it, and so was the payoff.
I agree, but the moogles should have been part of Golden Saucer, them being in the real world felt really out of place.
I have no clue who Reece is and no I didn’t play the original cause I don’t like JRPGs
It just irritates me that there are other big games that are "bloated" too but get a pass where Rebirth gets criticized. Elden Ring is packed with unnecessary content or bloat as some would say but nobody called it out.
Found this from watching the sacred symbols podcast and damn, Colin just isn’t great to listen to.
Brad all the way baby.
People are too hard on Colin. He loves the game
It's just that he brings up the length so much and so much of it is self-inflicted and he admits it's self inflicted cuz that's how he plays.
The thing is the game makes it easy to replay chapters so.... He could always play what he wants to get out of it and come back to chapters at a later date and continue to get awesome stuff out of it. That's the beauty but he ignores it and thinks he needs to experience it all right now and then complains about that.
I enjoyed the game for well...the gameplay. They nailed it visually and the combat was a lot of fun. They expanded on characters and locations that didn't get the TLC back then. But I abhorred the storytelling mechanics they employed. It's gone beyond convolution.
im not going to play rebirth though, i cant stand jrpgs im playing robocop its janky as fuck but i like it
I really thought Colin was going to be the voice of reason for these games. I really don't get the praise, blows my fucking mind.
It’s crazy no matter how hard Squeenix tries I will never care for Aerith. I felt absolutely nothing from this game’s ending. I love 95% of this game
I think Chadley being the conduit for all of the open world stuff is such a disappointment.... it cheapens the exploration and meaning of the world. There is nothing to "find" because Chadley just tells you where and how to interact with the world and all times... and he has so much meaningless dialogue....
I think the chadley hate is overblown.
I don't mind Chadley, but you make a nice point. His commentaries and guidance make the world more predictable, things don't get to surprise you, you don't get to discover anything.
I'd be ok if they made him less prevalent in Part 3
The Proto Relic stuff shook things up a bit, but the repetition of Chadleys objectives across 5 or 6 big maps was absolutely tedious.
As an avid trophy hunter, the trophy lists for both FF7R games are horrendously awful. Tedious, overly difficult and needlessly grueling, these are some of the absolute worst lists I’ve platinum’d in 3 generations. I doubt I’ll bother with the 3rd game whenever that comes out, unless I learn they fire the person responsible for curating the lists for the first two games.
Imagine purely playing video games to collect meaningless digital "pats on the back".
Literally no one is telling you to platinum the game.
Man Colin's takes are so clichéd and boring, it's like listening to an out of touch, self involved, old stoner... what happened to him? he used to have clever takes on games years ago
So many crappy mini games. So much bloat...
You don’t have to play them…..
@@Dis2goodApparently people like self torture. I enjoyed them and played them all.
@@danorganplayer I really wanted to love Rebirth. I really did. But after I finished it my immediate reaction was to delete it from my PS5. It just didn't hit the way I was expecting. The moment I did that side mission that involved luring the chicken with the can....and uprooting the mushroom....Something inside my me broke...hahah!!
@@paulydee5106 that quest was hilarious tho. The pay off was great. I feel like at the very least the side quests had good character moments and were often entertaining on some level. Remake part 1's were just bland as hell. Only thing I was disappointed by was the ending. It didn't land emotionally for me
Colin can reiterate as many times as he wants about the optional open world content, he's still wrong. Get over yourself and learn some self-control.
let people play how they want. And in this game he’s correct
@@stonehorn4641no. He's correct if you play games like him where you need to experience nearly everything in the first playthrough. Most people like to enjoy their game more than once. I saved things so I can go back to play at a future date to get more out of it.
Sorry this game was ruined for me with how Bloated it was. I never played the original so I didn't have the nostalgia, but that Cait mansion sequence broke me lol
Spider-man 2 sold more in 10 days than Rebirth has up to this point, you can't blame the so called "low" install base of 60 MILLION USERS.
Wanna know why sales are dropping? IT'S NOT A FAITHFUL REMAKE! They turned FF7 into a multiversal KH/FF13-esque convoluted mess.
You can't compare an IP like Spiderman to a jrpg. Stop it. Dragon Quest 11 is an amazing jrpg nobody plays it.
That's ridiculous. It's a PS5 exclusive that almost requires you to check out the previous game to play it. That's why it's not selling as much.
Part 3 will be worse in that regard. Also the game had a ton of faithful moments. Ever play reimagining before?
@@danorganplayer and what's spiderman 2 a continuation of the first game.
@@danorganplayer also you're talking about jrpgs which never sell well and mostly are ps exclusives. That's the problem
@@who_hurt_youproductions8826 Spider-Man 2 isn't one story split in 3 parts. FF7r trilogy is. So people feel obligated to play the first part before playing the second and it'll be worse with the third part. That's just a reality. My core point is people make a huge fuss over the sales for nothing. It was always gonna sell worse than part 1.
I bet FF7 Rebirth is great. There's no way im buying a PS5 to play it. With so many games to play Sqaure can just keep eating losses on the exclusive deal with Sony.
PS5 is a better system. Your loss
Wich losses? They gave their finacials last thursday and it was in the black, profits. When time comes, it will be released on PC as well. Having a single plattform that has a easy development kit has proven good in releasing a polished game and in just under 4 years. Having to optimize then for PCs is spending a lot of time and money for hundreds of configurations, but at last it will be released there.