Sportswriters were pissed about the season being shortened by a labor strike. Plus tons of normally good teams were really bad because their best players opted out of the year. The kicker winning was basically a protest vote by the writers saying that the season shouldn't count.
The one out of this whole video I just don't get is the Earl Campbell one his team was scoring 22 points a game his defense was letting up 20 points a game his defense gave up more yards than their offense gained they were expected to be an 8 and 8 team and he carried them to an 11 and 5 record and almost scored half of their touchdowns. Meanwhile Roger staubach had one of the best big play RBs in the league of that time Tony dorsett in the backfield.... But seriously a kicker won an MVP what the hell happened?
Its rare for a team to win it all on roster talent outside of the qb position. Really I can't think of it happening in recent history outside of Denver and maybe Baltimore.
Then maybe the award should only be for QBs, and another mvp award should be made for other positions, because while I agree that the QB is the most important player on the field, it is absolutely possible in my mind for other positions to be more valuable to their team.
You have a point with LT winning MVP over Peyton. But I can definitely say you’ll see a QB throw for 31 TD’s and 4,300 yards at least 100 times before you see a running back go for 1,800 yards and 31 total Touchdowns.
Agreed and if the award were for the player who had the best season (as compared to history and his peers) then it would be LT. But the award is called MOST VALUABLE PLAYER and therefore it goes to the player who holds the Most value in terms of importance to their team winning - this is why the top 12 paid players in football are QB's, because it is inherently the most valuable position. If you want an award that goes to the most dominant player/season regardless of their value then i am not opposed (You could see guys like Aaron Donald and potentially even Justin Tucker winning the award) but giving an MVP in 99% of situations to anyone other than a QB simply goes against what the title of the trophy means.
@@hockeyislife67 honestly there should be two MVP awards per season. QB and non QB. It would help out a lot of RB and defensive players that definitely deserve it. Edit: Or an MVP and a BS (Best Season) award.
@@hockeyislife67 valuable is valuable. Take LT off those chargers and you have bottom feeding team. Period. Not to mention, breaking NFL TD record and being the reason your team is winning is MVP worthy though. QBs aren't always the most valuable, no matter what you think Theres been plenty of teams that has great success with a non-QB being their best and most valuable player. Lawrence Taylor, multiple SBs and obviously more important than Phil Simms... and others
@@laurinnn you smoke crack if you think it's luck that makes players win their 1v1 at the line and be fast enough to take the QB out and prevent the ball from leaving the backfield.
2014 Romo led the league in passing rating at 114, qbr, td%, yards per throw, completion percentage. Only qb not to get mvp leading in those categories, crazy thing is that he lost it to another qb. Romo also went 12-3, (missed a game vs Arizona they lost) and really went 12-2 since he missed the second half of one of their losses. And 1 of his 2 losses was on Thanksgiving when he had 2 broken bones in his back and broken ribs and could not take pain meds because Romo had to wait a week before taking them again. And Thanksgiving is on a Thursday. Crazy thing is that Romo was 3rd on the mvp list. Only qb to lead in those categories and not win mvp, and was third on the mvp behind a qb and his own runningback who went 0-4 in the games Romo either missed or was so injured he could barely throw it normal. Where as when Murray got hurt the offense was better. In fact the game murray was the most injured cowboys changed their game plan to 90% passing the first half and Romo threw 132 yards and 3 tds with over 14 minutes left in just the 2nd quarter. Against a team who went to the afc championship that year. They did only 1 more series some passing at the start of the 3rd went down threw a 4th td. But the rest of the game just ran the clock down. Instead of inflating stats. Biggest mvp robbery yet Barry didn't bring it up, because he's an eagles fan, he's cool with Staubach because Staubach was before Barry's time.
@@johnortan1890 lol Rodgers had the best td to interception ratio , and went 11-2 after starting the season 1-2 also 6 tds in the first half , he also didn't play a lot of 4 quarters also his stats are almost identical to Romo, you make it sound like Romo was on another level , he also would've came back had the cowboys even scored with dez let's not act like he wouldn't there was 4 mins left
I have a problem with Barry calling short touchdown runs “padded” touchdowns, what about the passing touchdowns that qbs would get that are 5 yards or less……or touchdowns where the wide receiver does most of the work are those not padded touchdowns?
I just can't get behind this idea that "scoring touchdowns inside the goal line isn't valuable." Being able to score on the goal line is massively valuable. Every drive that ends in a goal line stop by the defense would have loved a sure-fire goal line scoring threat. That also doesn't take into account how much work the scoring player put in on the drive preceding the touchdown. If Tomlinson was responsible for 60 yards rushing on a drive that got the Chargers to the one yard line, and he then punched it in for the score, is that "stat-padding"? A lot of your arguments against non-QBs are centered on this idea that their TD totals are padded, and I just don't think that argument holds any water.
it also doesn't account for the QBs who also scored a lot of their TDs within the 10, it's just kinda a flawed idea in general bc scoring TDs shouldn't be seen as a negative just because of proximity. Like, would a RB with 5 TDs of 50+ yards be better than a RB with 14 TDs but no TDs over 20 yards? I guess short TDs can be seen as stat padding, but plenty of QBs stat pad their yards and TDs as well, and that isn't really adjusted for at all.
I really don't understand that logic. He's taking away good RB play because it's not as flashy as a long touchdown? If a RB is great in the red zone, that's a massive positive to an offense. You can still be a valuable asset to the team offense if you're getting a lot of yards throughout the game too (like LT most definitely did)
AP rightfully deserved that MVP. He was far more valuable to the Vikings than Peyton was to the Broncos. He was literally the entire offense. He faced 8 man boxes all season and still churned out over 2K rushing yards. His value to his team was immense and I don’t see how he couldn’t have gotten the MVP.
"sportswriters have a hard on for 2000 yard rushers." That's because to achieve 2000 yards, you have to evade tacklers, make people miss, study defenses constantly, and do ALL of this over 16 games. AP doing that coming off an injury is incredible. Deserved the MVP for sure.
@@doodooswaggy3825 Yeah I can’t disagree with you on that. I’m a Broncos fan myself and I just feel Peyton played too good that year to not win MVP himself. But at least he made up for it the next year lol
As a biased Vikings fan, you’re so wrong about AP. He faced a ton of 8 man boxes, had an inept passing game (Christian Ponder?), and was really the only reliable offensive threat we had. To almost break Dickerson’s record, and force the Vikings into the playoffs while doing it? That’s value. Without him, that team would’ve been no better than 3-13.
Yeah as a ravens fan peters single handily got a generation of rb paid and I mean paid and that a lot year was the craziest thing I’ve seen with my own eyes people don’t realize there has been no one beside AP and KD that came back to true form from that injury
No. Manning had more than double the yardage and double the touchdowns of Peterson. Peterson had the more impressive season, obviously, but that is irrelevant. The V in MVP stands for Valuable, not Impressive. 4,600 yards are obviously more valuable than 2,000. 37 TD’s are obviously more valuable than 12 touchdowns. If you were going to give the MVP award to the most impressive player, then AP still didn’t deserve it. Calvin Johnson breaking Jerry Rice’s receiving yardage record is obviously more impressive than Peterson “almost” breaking Eric Dickerson’s record. AP was objectively the wrong choice.
The whole thing about scoring touchdowns from less than 10 yards out is a weird argument. You're putting up the same 6 points, and it's also possible that the 2 yard touchdown was only scored because the player broke a big play earlier in the drive
Because when you’re that close it becomes more about how well the O line does against the D line not so much about the running back themselves at least when we’re talking about rushing TD’s within the 5 yard line
This is 100% true, in statemebt for Alexander and Newton they were amazing in Goal to go, a lot of guys just can't close it out. That's one of the flawed arguments for me in the video, like Lawrence Taylor was generational Defense wins championships and an amazing D player that wins you games is better than a QB. Also with Cam they destroyed the Cards, Palmer just wasn't good against Top 10 defenses that year, cam was better
Every single run play or play in general is based on how good the o line is against the d line. You know, passing TDs shouldn’t count because it comes down to how good the WR is against the DB. There are 22 players in the field and every one of them matter
Dude, Faulk was the only guy you could give it to in 2000. He single-handedly carried that Rams team to a playoff berth and Manning`s season simply was not nearly as impressive.
Undoubtedly. Faulk was not only the best RB in the league, but he was also one of its best receivers despite not playing the position. One of the great all time seasons.
2000 Faulk was great, but lol at him single-handedly carrying the 2000 Rams offense. That was one of the most stacked offenses ever. They were destroying defenses with Trent Green.
@universe 86 the 2000 Rams actually scored more points than they did the year before. Their worse record and wild card loss were attributable to their defense falling off a cliff (scoring defense went from 4th in the league to last)
Having an MVP in the 2000 season actually makes sense as that was the best running back season of all time, there were like 17 1000 yard rushers that year and if you were dominating the league at the time you had a nasty run game
While I do agree with many of your opinions and takes, u have now said that cam padded his td’s by scoring near the goal line instead of letting his rb’s do it, but then said that Faulk padded his td’s with 10 1 yard td runs his mvp year. So, what are offenses supposed to do if the qb and rb shouldn’t score? Let a backup rb get take the ball every time they’re inside the 10?
Exactly, it’s not stat padding, it’s winning football games, it’s not like we’re going by blowouts and it’s not the same as in a basketball game when you’re up 30 and still scoring just to boost your numbers, it’s assuring a touchdown, he focuses too much on yards sometimes and not enough on the actual games, a win is a win and it still takes a special skill to score on the one
Its because he's a salty contrarian who doesn't actually have solid points. Saying the person who handles the ball the most of any position should win MVP every single year is lazy as fuck and doesn't take into account out other positions help put those QB's in a good position. Is that the case every single time? No, but this guys videos are maddening with the backwards contradictory bullshit. Boutta get this man out of my recommendeds.
@@painboyadvanced like I said, I agree with a lot (but certainly not all) of his takes and opinions, but he uses poor arguments sometimes when propping up his players. He’ll use narratives instead of facts sometimes, and often says things to further his agenda for certain players that contradict something else he said for another player. For example, he said that bill Russell is overrated and not really an all time great player. The only real argument he used is that he isn’t a scorer and scoring is the most important and valuable part of basketball. Yet he still has lebron as the goat when he isn’t even a top 10 scorer of all time and could be argued even lower than that. And if u want to make the argument that he’ll finish his career as the all time leading scorer than that means Karl Malone is a better scorer than everyone below him so that argument is invalid. I can easily rattle off a bunch of names who are better scorers than lebron off the top of my head without even looking at anything: Jordan, kareem, bird, wilt, curry, KD, dirk, Jerry west, Hakeem. So according to his logic, lebron shouldn’t even be top 10 ever since he isn’t the greatest scorer of all time
"Palmer had more yards passing than Cam had passing and running combined" That's a weird way to say he had like 100 more total yards because he had no rushing stats, 10 less tds, one more pick, and a worse record.
Given that Peyton Manning ended up winning 5 MVPs even without all these snubs, I can only imagine that a lot of the years he didn't win had to do with voter fatigue.
Nah. Disagree wit most of these. QB’s aren’t always the most valuable just cuz they’re QB’s. But Newton, a QB who led his team to a rare 15-1 season, absolutely deserved it. And people wouldn’t say otherwise if it weren’t for that Von Miller forced fumble
lawrence taylor was absolutely the #1 reason the 1986 giants had a top 3 defense ever. dude was the most impactful player every single snap and the giants barely get 9 wins without him. the fact that one singular player made the LT position one of the most valuable positions in football is more than enough to warrant an mvp. the dude literally changed how the entire game of football was played forever
What hes not telling you is some of these MVPs were won on record breaking seasons like Lawrence Taylor, Marshall Faulk, etc. Doing things no one else has ever done while being the driving force behind your teams success is MVP worthy. Perspective is everything
No. it's not. The driving force argument is good. If no one has ever done it? Doesn't matter. But doing that great thing does NOT necessarily drive your team.
Whoa, did you say Jonathan Stewart was elite? He was washed and constantly injured at that point in his career. Olsen was good, but Cam had 45 total td's with Tedd Ginn as his #1 receiver. He didn't carry a terrible team, he carried a bad offense.
this whole channel is satire i’m pretty sure lmao. on the fact alone “padding rushing stats inside the 10 yard line” is even being used as if every rushing td should be 20 yards out
Stewart was never a true #1 back. He's always been the power back. Look back to when DeAngelo Williams was around, that's when Stewart was most effective. Newton also had to work with Ted Ginn, Corey Brown, Jericho Crottchery and Brento Bersin at Wr. His only saving grace was Olsen always getting 1st downs and big plays.
@Michael Darby... Thats because "garbage time" stats really matter when ur team has a losing record. It means they were trailing most of those games n always playing come back football. So the defense is playing "prevent" not to give up any big plays, n thats when QBs pad the stats the most. When it really doesnt matter at that point in the game anymore
@@GeneralBuckNaked sure, but it’s not like that’s happening every single game. The Saints, even with their terrible defenses in 2008, 2012 and 2014-2016, were in all but 2-3 games a season for the most part until close to the end because of Brees. Without him, those Saints teams would be 2-14, maybe 3-13 at best. Of course I can’t speak for anyone else because I didn’t pay attention to them or their teams.
He should’ve got it in 2011. I get that Aaron Rodgers had more TDs and less INTs but there’s more to QB than that. Brees was Peyton Manning level genius that year and was calling his own play every time. You never see Rodgers switch the play up to a hand off. Payton would give him 12 personnel in a 4 wide form and Brees would hit a quick pass then hurry up into an Iform cuz our backup tight end was a serviceable lead blocker and Jimmy Graham could actually put his hand in the dirt and block better than ppl remember. And it’s zoom off to the races we’re calling hb dive and power runs and the defense is stuck with 6 d backs out there.
This was a casually put together video. While I did agree with some of your choices, alot of them were so bad that they overshadowed the actual good ones. You obviously love adjusted stats 🤣
Ladainian Tomlinson is an easy disagree for me tbh, Rivers was just okay that season. I feel like just saying "player had x amount of TDs on the goal line" is leaving out context. If a RB is the guy engineering the offense to the goal line, you cant take away his TD credit bc he scored on the goal line. 8 game stretch where he had over 100 yards rushing and 2+ TDs. He had the 2nd most yards from scrimmage all time (at the time) to go along with his record breaking 31 TDs. Without him i dont even see the chargers having a winning record that year. You say 23 of tomlinson's 31 Tds came inside the 10 yard line but 2006 Manning: of his 31 pass TDs, 17 were inside the 10 yard line with 15 of those being inside the 5 yard line. Wouldnt you say that leaves out context to how important he was to the team? Also i know he won the super bowl that year but he sported a 3/7 TD/INT ratio in the playoffs whereas LT had 185 yards on 25 touches and lost bc of how poorly Rivers played and his defense intercepted the ball on 4th down then fumbled it right back. LT > Manning for me that year for sure, great video tho
I agree with J B part of me thinks he made this video just to rile people up because who in their right mind would not give Jim Brown the MVP in the era where running backs mattered more than any other position on the field. And I don't think he's responded to anyone who's had a lengthy counter argument to any of his points like with LT you take him off of the chargers that year and they're probably in the top 10 picks because Philip Rivers was not ready to take over being the engine of the offense.
Also seriously undervaluing the QBs rushing ability yes Carson Palmer had more yards throwing than cam did throwing and rushing (barely) but cam had the ability to close out drives with his legs and arms which is inherently more valuable because it’s harder for defenses to stop
Tomlinson literally had one of the best seasons ever and scored 9 touchdowns past 10 yards which is insane and literally was his team how is that not the most valuable
Barry, you're simply too anti running back. To claim the likes of Faulk, Alexander, Tomlinson & AD didn't deserve MVP is insane lol. I also disagree about Cam.
Alexander shouldn't have got shit. He was a lumbering loser who ran through holes the size of Texas and would be out of football in like a year when he didn't an all-time great O-Line.
Even the Earl Campbell one. He had a CRAZY season, n he says that Staubach deserved it more with some mediocre stats, even though he wasnt even the best QB in the league that year. Makes no sense at all
I understand most of your points made, the thing that gets forgotten with the mvp is how important the “story” is. For example on top of having a great season 2012 Adrian Peterson was coming off a torn acl which was one of the biggest storylines in the league that year, which helped him win mvp
Honestly, I don’t think it should just be about stats. APs story is unbelievable and statistically impressive as hell when you look at his teams passing game. Also I disagreed with his take on Lawrence Taylor. While yes Dan Marino was impressive statistically especially in that context. LT led a team with top defense and mediocre offense to a dominant season. I think the eye test and the psychological effect on quarterbacks of having a coked out maniac who more than likely would quickly and violently sack you at least once if not more each game was enough to give him mvp
"Story" like how Peyton Manning got several neck surgeries that no one has ever come back from. The guy had to learn how to throw with basically a brand new arm and played elite in 2012? That is a better story than a torn acl, fyi Adrian is not the first runningback to tear their acl and run for 2000 yards the next season. Barry Sanders did it. If you are strong with your rehab your knee will actually be stronger when you get back.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 ok your exaggerating Peyton's story and just dead wrong about Barry Sanders he did tear his acl the before rushing for 2000 yards
As a Steelers fan I must say that Cam deserved that MVP. The way Cam played that year went far beyond the stat sheet as he made plays no other quarterback could make. Additionally, he had a great impact on his team as the swagger and confidence he brought contributed to the momentum they would use to win 15 games. So overall, Cam was the best and most impactful player in the league that year and no one can take that away from.
It was a snub but that almost all went out the door in the nfc championship game there’s is in almost no way could that happen to you and you he called the mvp
As much as Barry (and most NFL fans) hate Tom, his MVPs are undisputable. 2007-Went 16-0 and broke the touchdown record. 2010-First ever unanimous MVP for a reason. 2017-Won it by default since Wentz got injured. No other QB came close that year, either.
Agree with most of this except one thing, what is “padding TD numbers” just because it’s within the 10 or 1 it isn’t a pad… a lot of times your team needs those points and scoring in the red zone is hard. Every point counts and it doesn’t really matter how far or long the play was.
hes acting like there arent a bunch of linebackers and d linemen all concentrated there to stop the run, if anything its way easier padding td pass numbers on the goal line than padding rushing number
Which is why I wish the Saints had won 2-3 more games because Brees put up MVP worthy stats that year (though since Peyton was the golden child for MVP voting and literally had to give a reason for Voters NOT to give him their vote simply because of his name, they probably would’ve had to win 4-5 more).
For that year he did, I mean there was no one else who put up better stats that at least made playoffs that year. I guess if Romo didn't break his throwing hand in overtime week 6 maybe he would have. Romo was on track for 4500 yards and 37 tds that year before getting injured which was an amazing statline for 2008 standards. Or at least never took off the splint on his throwing hand as he had 2559 yards and 21 tds with over 100 rating in 9 games he played and went 7-2. Then took off the splint from his throwing hand the last 4 games for some reason, was throwing weird, and went 1-3 with a 6-5 td-int and only 889 yards, and a 70 rating. But outside of Romo, any other qb who was on track or had better stats than peyton didn't have a winning record.
Barry, I am very upset you didn't take my suggestion about making a video on the negative effects of marijuana legalization in the United States You're in my prayers -Zaddy McNut
I guess I'll counterargue these if at all possible: Jim Brown - 1957: I'm really torn on this one. On the one hand, Jim Brown is the greatest running back in NFL history, and on the other hand, Johnny Unitas was the prototype for modern quarterbacks. Also, I think the season was still only 12 games long at the time. Paul Hornung - 1961: I've got no counters for this one, as much as I admire the Lombardi Packers. Jurgensen got bamboozled. Alan Page - 1971: The problem with trying to argue against this is that Page's stats are probably incomplete due to tracking of sacks not becoming a thing until a decade later. Earl Campbell - 1979: No counters, Staubach should've won this one. Mark Mosley - 1982: Context is very much needed to understand this. The points that Mosley accounted for were literally the difference between Washington winning Super Bowl XVII and not making the playoffs at all. Considering that it was also a strike-shortened year, and the fact that kicking might actually be the hardest job in the sport, I can let this one go. Lawrence Taylor - 1986: I strongly disagree with Barry. Lawrence Taylor was the most feared defensive player ever, a player who single-handedly made decades worth of schemes obsolete as coaches frantically tried (and failed) to stop him from taking over games. The Giants don't win Super Bowl XXI if Taylor isn't there. John Elway - 1987: Well, if there was any year that a WR should've won MVP, it was this one. Joe Montana - 1990: I find it hilarious that legendary playoff choker RANDALL CUNNINGHAM was the other option here. Barry McCockiner really is a born and raised Philadelphian. Thurman Thomas - 1991: You know a team is good when they have both the NFL MVP and the guy who came second in MVP voting, even if the guy who came second should've won the award. Emmitt Smith - 1993: I agree with Barry if only because Steve Young is a southpaw like me. Marshall Faulk - 2000: Like Peyton Manning even needed more MVP's, doesn't he have the most of any player? Steve McNair - 2003: No argument for this. Shaun Alexander - 2005: Hard no because the Seahawks are the NFL team that British Columbia (yes, I'm Canadian) is inclined to root for. LaDainian Tomlinson - 2006: Absolutely not. Just no. Tomlinson was the lifeblood of the Chargers offense that year. Peyton Manning - 2009: Choosing between the Sheriff and Brees is like choosing between the red pill and the blue pill. Adrian Peterson - 2012: Like with Tomlinson and the Chargers, AP was the ONLY reason the Vikings offense was any good that year. Cam Newton - 2015: Part of this is that Cam was an excellent dual-threat signal caller, the other part is that Cam kicked Palmer's ass in the NFC Championship Game.
U had almost as much wrong as he did lmao.. I aint gonna go over every single one I disagree with, but Earl Campbell definitely deserved his MVP. Staubach didnt even lead in any QB categories except for maybe 1. Theres no way he had a better year than Earl.. And as for your Randall slander, they NEVER built a team around him. Name 1 great WR or RB that he had?? He had no help at all. The Defense was the best part of that team. N its hard to blame him for losing the fog bowl with that weather. Especially when the Bears were a run heavy team n the Eagles werent
the mvp award isn't supposed to be based on who is the best player, but who is the most valuable player in the league, which is largely dependent on the position. I think you just completely misunderstood the whole video
Back then, running backs were more valuable than quarter backs were. The NFL has evolved since the 1980’s and 1990’s. Also, who was on cocaine and decided to name a KICKER to be MVP? I’m literally crying
Disagree on Newton. Greg Olsen was a great TE, but it's not a coincidence that his best years coincide with Newton's best years. Olsen was better because of Newton, less so the other way around. I find it also hard to buy that a point against Newton was that he had a great RB, which you have mentioned multiple times doesn't hold as much positional value. If you're a QB on a 15-1 team, and put up unprecedented TD numbers (in terms of the rushing to passing TD split), you're going to win MVP. Palmer was great that year, but not nearly enough to overcome Newton's resume. To be fair, that's the only one I truly disagree with. The rest I think are defensible, if not outright correct.
Not to mention Stewart wasn't even that good just serviceable. He'd be a short yardage specialist on any other team. That's without even getting into the receivers he had outside of Olsen; do the likes of Ed Dickson, Ted Gin, Devin Funchess, and Philly freaking Brown strike fear into the hearts of any defense?
Cam was trash in 2014 and 2016 and Olsen had pretty much the same stats. 1008 6 tds and 1073 3 tds is not much different than 1104 7 tds when you consider that Newton had a by far and i mean by far the best season of newton's career. Yet it only effected olsens stars slightly.
nobody: Barry: Lawrence Taylor didn't deserve MVP with 20.5 sacks over Dan Marino who was 8-8 with not even the worst defense but the third worst defense
Honestly, if they were gonna give it to a defensive player, it should have been Wilber Marshall, who dominated across the board rather than in just one category while anchoring the league`s best defense on a Bears team with a mediocre offense.
@@erickivell7779 do you even watch football? Pass rush alone can absolutely destroy offenses and for every sack they get they generally disrupted 3 more
What about all the short touchdown passes thrown by Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, etc. One factor in the explosion of touchdown passes in the NFL is the greatly increased number from inside the 10 yard line, many inside the five. Peyton Manning completed 215 touchdowns from inside the 10 yard line - 90 from 3 yards and in. Also, what about the Terrell Davis receiving the 1998 NFL MVP from the AP over Randall Cunningham? Cunningham had one of the greatest passing seasons of all-time while leading his team to a 15-1 record and setting the NFL single-season scoring record of 556 points.
How did Marshall Faulk pad his stats lol? The OC told him to run and he did....in the endzone....with the ball in his hand....over and over again. It's even more impressive that a 5'10, 211lb guy can do that consistently at the one-yard line. I am of the belief that any skill player can win MVP and more OL need to need OPOY. Certainly a fair amount of years QB's should win it (The Dan Marino snub was crazy) but it's more nuanced than the ideation of "QB's will always be more valuable than RBs" especially pre-brady/manning and having Ponder and Joe Webb as your QB (AD was rushing for 100+ yards with 8 or more men in the box lol).
If you want to know how valuable it is to have a running back that can get the ball in from the 1 yard line, just watch the Vikings this year and look at what a disaster Alexander Mattison is. I honestly think that guy could lose yards even if the defense only had 10 men on the field.
Just found your channel late last night when I couldn't sleep. I love it. Keep up the good work. Part of your channel's charm is that each video watches like a great bar conversation you have with a down to earth rando at your local watering hole.
The biggest oversight in this video is that he constantly mentions players "padding their touchdown stats" by scoring close to the goal line, and then goes on to say a QB was snubbed because he had a ton of passing yards. News Flash: QBs can pad their passing yard stats... like a lot.
tbf TDs can easily get padded as well. the amounts of schemed up "passing" TDs through shovel passes and wide open receivers due to motion when inside the 3 is ridiculous this season
@@cooper23231 Fr. 15-1 is never a fluke. His injuries just made it seem like that to some Barry was highkey talkin outta his ass when he said Palmer deserved it more 💀
you can disagree with the concept of the mvp award if you think giving the most prestigious award in the league to whoever happens to be the most objectively valuable, which is largely based on position, instead of giving it too whoever excelled at their position the most is boring or stupid, but that doesn't mean this interpretation of the award is wrong.
2005: you didn’t even select the right player at that position! If a QB was going to win the MVP that year, it would have been Carson Palmer (more TD, more passing yards, only other QB with a 100 passer rating that season)
It's true that Barry hates the G.O.A.T. That said, he still considers Tom Brady's 2007 season to be a top 10 QB season of all-time. Those three MVP seasons, as much as McCockiner wouldn't like to admit, were well-earned.
The thing about Mosley's MVP award is that it is for the most *valuable* player, not necessarily the *best* player in the league. Mosley's was the difference between Washington finishing at the bottom of the standings and having homefield advantage during the '82 playoff tournament. Fouts was obviously a better player but Washington TE Doc Walker said he wouldn't be able to flash the hardware without Mosley's performance in the regular season.
@@simoncohen9323 dunno what to tell ya, my dood. If you'd like to write a complaint to the Associated Press, be my guess, but they're probably not gonna revoke his award.
What you are missing in this is that back in the day in the 70’s through to the early 2000’s Running backs where the heat and soul of an offence. Yes Old time writers got hard for power backs like Earl Campbell because without him the Oilers can’t sustain drives. This has changed as time has gone on thanks to the likes of first Elway then Manning and Brady into modern football. Also LT literally killed the league with how dominant he was in 86. His season is so rare and he changed how his position was played for years to come.
This video personifies the greatness of Peyton manning who is the GOAT. 5 MVP's, 7 all pros, he should have another MVP in 2005, every season he was minimally top 3 in efficiency stats, set the single season touchdown record twice, he's the goat without question. He not only led the league in passer rating 5 times, but even the other efficiency metric like qbr is higher than any quarterback since 2006 when that became a stat.
@@MikeBNumba6 He also played in 4 superbowls, all with different head coaches. I've seen countless lists ranking Troy Aikmen ahead of Steve young because of rings, Terry Bradshaw is unanimous ranked ahead of Dan Fouts with inferior stats on a team with 10 hof's. Fuck the rings argument.
@@gregtrust5599 Peyton Manning would’ve dominated any era. Btw Manning was putting up those incredible numbers when defense can actually play defense. No telling what his numbers would be in today game.
@@gregtrust5599 He broke the single season touchdown and passing yards record with Rodgers, Brady, rivers and Brees as his peers. He lead his offense to 606 points. How's Eric decker, Demaryius and Julius Thomas doing these days? Manning was a machine with no continuity at head coach, no Sean Payton, Belichick, or Andy Reid, insert Manning on any roster and you have 10 guarenteed wins.
@@gregtrust5599 he had 2 losing seasons his entire career, at within his first 4 seasons, 1 his rookie campaign and another where he lead his offense to a respectable 423 points.
@@gregtrust5599 I take it your saying that's the reason for some of his MVP's with the exception of 04? Obviously you're old enough to watch Marino, since you were able to watch Elway, he's the physical tools goat, but his stats are underwhelming to his peers. Am I missing something or is he slightly overrated as someone who never watched him play?
@@dysphoria_1.040 yes cause of his down bad playoff resume when it came to the Regular Season Peyton Manning was always better then Brady with the Exception of 2007 or 2010
@@dysphoria_1.040 didn’t help that the colts had a borderline anemic defense most of his time in Indy. Not saying he didn’t have his struggles in the playoffs, but playing from behind most games really doesn’t do any favors
After watching a lot of your videos I find it tough to say that great quarterbacks are actually that valuable considering all the all-time great quarterbacks who either win no Super Bowls or only win one Super Bowl the conclusion I've drawn from a lot of your videos is that having an all-time historically greater even the greatest quarterback ever means very little in terms of winning it seems to be far more important to have a good offensive line and a good defense long as you have a decent or not horrible quarterback and a great defense and great team around that quarterback you have a better shot at winning than having an all-time great quarterback and a subpar team around him
There are times on certain teams when the running back is more valuable than a quarterback. Overall I get the stance, but in those instances when a running back is good enough to put the team on his back I think he should be rewarded MVP. Unfortunately due to QBs throwing the balls to the wideouts I don’t think we’ll see a WR MVP
I was playing retro bowl and my wr got mvp because he got 2800 yards and like 25 tds I know it's retro bowl, but it's still crazy i was able to get a WR to be MVP. The Tight End got like 500 yards and my runningback had 6 rushing yards and 1000 receiving yards.
I like how you mention when other QBs carry a bad defense but only put drew Brees on there 1 time 🤣 he been carrying saints bad defenses his WHOLE career without a pro bowl WR 🤣
@@AdolphSaxOfficial they didn’t in 2009. They were 20th in points allowed and were average or worse in a lot of other stats. The only thing that defense did well was force turnovers and they forced them to the point that it masked a lot of their issues that season.
@@AdolphSaxOfficial they did not. Not even close. 2009 Saints defense was #20 in points, #25 in yards, #20 in yards per play, #26 in pass yards, #21 in rush yards, #26 in rush RPC allowed, #19 in rush TDs allowed, and #18 in points per drive. They were excellent at takeaways, didn't allow a lot of pass TDs, and some of the points and yardage giving up is misleading since they had a lot of blowout victories which meant the opposing was mostly playing in garbage time but I still wouldn't consider that defense good just average at best.
I don't think the MVP should default to the QB position with other positions only considered as an afterthought. I understand the concept on most valuable, but if it's going to be the QB EVERY year, then it seems more like the BQB award rather than MVP. Personally, I don't believe a non-QB will ever win MVP again. And defensive player? Forget about it.
Barry is the typa guy to throw it four times in a row inside the 5. You can't just pad the rb's stats and you sure as hell can't kick it. Plus a good Running back is always easier to stop than a good quarterback 👍🏼
I disagree with alot of your takes but I appreciate the time and effort you put in the videos. Your videos are always super informative. Great thing about being a sports fan is we all have our opinions.
Barry: “QBs are always more valuable than RBs no matter how good a RB is.” Also Barry: “Cam Newton shouldn’t have won MVP in 2015 because he has Jonathan Stewart!” Easily the worst video on your channel.
I'm still fairly new to Football, the first game I saw was the Pats vs Falcons in the Super Bowl. But it's still strange to me that kickers are considered the least respected position in the sport. Considering the sport is called *Foot*ball. Still great video
Its almost the same with the NBA. the MVP should go to the best player overall, but narratives and team success a certain year could push a player over the top.
Being the best player in the league and the mvp is two different things. KD was the best player in the league last year but he wasn’t more valuable than Jokic. Westbrook was never the best player in the league but he most definitely was the most valuable player in 2017
Personally, I think these awards are a joke. It's a team game. Does anyone think that Marshall Faulk or Kurt Warner do 1/10th of what they did without Orlando Pace and his pancake block?
@@AdolphSaxOfficial didn't wentz still have more TD's while having not played the last 3 games? How did Brady get the award with such basic stats that year
I disagree, the QB position always gets the mvp, it should be called now mvqb. To me other positions are as important, nowadays 5 or 6 QBs have above 35 Tds, its not unusual, for example last year other QBs had similar stats to Rodgers, but the season Henry had was out of this world, he was the 7th or 8 player all time to rush for more than 2000 yards (in comparison a 40+ td year for a QB is common this days) , he dominated the league. The same thing happened to CJ2k back in the late 2010's. Its unffair the QBs get all the love always, plus the rules benefit them the most... Ps Love your content, thank for hating Tom "im overrated" Brady. Please when his serie come out, make a video about it
Imagine this, if Henry, Rodgers, Mahomes, Lamar, Wilson, and Stafford (to name a few) were in free agency and you are a new team, who is your first option? Definitely not Henry. Why? Because they are more valuable than the best RB in the league. Simple as that.
@@maudelhoyo4019 I get what you're saying, but Im not trying to build a team, my team is already built, there are so many factors, the team around, the talent, etc. To me a QB throwing for 40+. Tds and 4500 + yds is usual, the award nowadays is only for QBs, it doesn't matter if you break an all time récord, you'll only OPY or DPY, because the other award is only for QBs which all have pretty much the same stats... Of the last 20 mvp's, 4 are RBs 16 QBs, of those 20, none has won the superbowl in the year which they won. I get the thing that the QBs is the most important position, but if a player gets an all time récord, he should be above a bunch of QBs with similar stats, not only RB, all positions, including defense.
@@HopefulNihilist yeah I know that only few QBs have had above 48 Tds, but you can agree with me that nowadays most of the rules are in favor of the offense, the passing game and specially the QB, I get it, the QB is most of times the difference between winning and losing, and only a couple of teams like the 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs are won a SB without a good QB. Yeah the QB is important, but most QBs in the league have above 35 Tds, damn even big ben last year had over 35 Tds. Im not against the QBs winning the mvp, or thinking they don't deserve it. Its the fact that the AP seems to even consider another postion. RBs would need a 2300+ yds season + 34 Tds to even be considered. Wrs would need 2000 yds and 25 Tds to even be considered. Te, linemen don't enter this conversation And on the defensive side, only a DE/OLB with 25 sacks LB and defensive back will never win it.
@@lalitovice33 it’s not usual to throw for 4500 yards and 40 tds. Only one person will probably do that this year and they will win mvp. With the 17 games maybe two will get there
Rodgers threw 48-5 td-int which is a record breaking td-int ratio, top 5 in passing tds season of all time, and had a 121 passing rating which would be the record if not for Rodgers 122 passing rating in 2011. Henry had a great year running threw the biggest holes of all time without being touched particularly against nfc south teams. But that isn't going to beat a qb with a record breaking season.
This is a sick idea. You should do this for basketball as well and you should make a video talking about good analytics and stats that are useful in determining how good a player is. I know there are different ones for different positions but idk it would be cool. Good shit
@@youngcbnetwork7393 I wouldn't say that Goff was a busted. His 2017 and 2018 seasons were pretty good. After those two seasons, he is at best average.
There shold just be skill position awards. QB award, RB award, WR award, OL award, TE award, DL award, LB award CB and safety. Then special teams as well. Makes sense to me instead of giving it to a QB every yera because they are set up to be the most impactful
A running back winning MVP should be more impressive than a quarterback winning MVP considering how hard it is for other position players to win MVP and the fact that most quarterback stats are due to the players around him.
@@maudelhoyo4019 they do but running backs just rely on blockers quarterbacks kinda rely on the whole offense. Plus of quarterback passing yards or touchdowns to me says more about his weapons then just his arm.
@@maudelhoyo4019 it's just quarterbacks rely on literally everything on the offense and get full credit when they look good and zero blame when they don't look good
I don't think every MVP should be a QB but Dan Fouts being overtaken by a kicker is foul.
I thought it was a joke until I saw the reference wtf
Sportswriters were pissed about the season being shortened by a labor strike. Plus tons of normally good teams were really bad because their best players opted out of the year. The kicker winning was basically a protest vote by the writers saying that the season shouldn't count.
@@TheAndyk123 I’m still confused why sports writers get a vote
The one out of this whole video I just don't get is the Earl Campbell one his team was scoring 22 points a game his defense was letting up 20 points a game his defense gave up more yards than their offense gained they were expected to be an 8 and 8 team and he carried them to an 11 and 5 record and almost scored half of their touchdowns.
Meanwhile Roger staubach had one of the best big play RBs in the league of that time Tony dorsett in the backfield.... But seriously a kicker won an MVP what the hell happened?
@@lostnemesis That's too much nuance for this video.
Except the kicker part. One of the two (2009 Drew Brees snub) he got right.
Everyone - I wish we could get more MVPs who aren't QBs.
Barry - every MVP should be QB
I was thinking the exact same thing. The MVP shouldn't just default to the QB position.
@@JamCooper most valuable player, 97 out of 100 times the qb is the most valuable player on a team
Its rare for a team to win it all on roster talent outside of the qb position. Really I can't think of it happening in recent history outside of Denver and maybe Baltimore.
Then maybe the award should only be for QBs, and another mvp award should be made for other positions, because while I agree that the QB is the most important player on the field, it is absolutely possible in my mind for other positions to be more valuable to their team.
Barry says Lawrence Taylor doesn't deserve MVP either :(
You have a point with LT winning MVP over Peyton. But I can definitely say you’ll see a QB throw for 31 TD’s and 4,300 yards at least 100 times before you see a running back go for 1,800 yards and 31 total Touchdowns.
That’s what I’m saying
Agreed and if the award were for the player who had the best season (as compared to history and his peers) then it would be LT. But the award is called MOST VALUABLE PLAYER and therefore it goes to the player who holds the Most value in terms of importance to their team winning - this is why the top 12 paid players in football are QB's, because it is inherently the most valuable position. If you want an award that goes to the most dominant player/season regardless of their value then i am not opposed (You could see guys like Aaron Donald and potentially even Justin Tucker winning the award) but giving an MVP in 99% of situations to anyone other than a QB simply goes against what the title of the trophy means.
@@hockeyislife67 honestly there should be two MVP awards per season. QB and non QB. It would help out a lot of RB and defensive players that definitely deserve it.
Edit: Or an MVP and a BS (Best Season) award.
@@hockeyislife67 valuable is valuable. Take LT off those chargers and you have bottom feeding team. Period. Not to mention, breaking NFL TD record and being the reason your team is winning is MVP worthy though.
QBs aren't always the most valuable, no matter what you think
Theres been plenty of teams that has great success with a non-QB being their best and most valuable player. Lawrence Taylor, multiple SBs and obviously more important than Phil Simms... and others
There should be a M I P for the NFL
If we lived in Barry's world, Payton Manning would have 9 MVPS...
And one SB win, discounting the gift one the Broncos defense gave him.
Paytonmanning
Well said by you. :)
*7
Only 8, because Brees should have won one of them
Everytime Peyton Manning was snubbed for MVP, his forehead grew bigger.
Every time he won the MVP his forehead grew bigger.
Ryan Cooper basically, he has more experience than einstien
That and the HGH
He would’ve had 9 mvps if he won his snubs
@@russelldasnipr9065 That's insane
20.5 sacks?! Unarguably the mvp that season. That’s the most dominant season of all time by a linebacker
Sacks are overrated imo.
@@alexolds9840 How
@@baseupp12 Because in my opinion, you need all around dominance for a defensive player to win MVP or even win DPOY. Sacks are just one category.
@@baseupp12 sacks are pure luck
@@laurinnn you smoke crack if you think it's luck that makes players win their 1v1 at the line and be fast enough to take the QB out and prevent the ball from leaving the backfield.
2014
Rodgers (MVP) - 38 tds
Watt - 78 total tackles, 20.5 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 50 qb hurries, 29 tackles for loss, 10 passes defended, 5 fumble recoveries (1 td), 1 pick-six, and 3 receiving tds…
2014 Romo led the league in passing rating at 114, qbr, td%, yards per throw, completion percentage. Only qb not to get mvp leading in those categories, crazy thing is that he lost it to another qb. Romo also went 12-3, (missed a game vs Arizona they lost) and really went 12-2 since he missed the second half of one of their losses. And 1 of his 2 losses was on Thanksgiving when he had 2 broken bones in his back and broken ribs and could not take pain meds because Romo had to wait a week before taking them again. And Thanksgiving is on a Thursday.
Crazy thing is that Romo was 3rd on the mvp list. Only qb to lead in those categories and not win mvp, and was third on the mvp behind a qb and his own runningback who went 0-4 in the games Romo either missed or was so injured he could barely throw it normal. Where as when Murray got hurt the offense was better. In fact the game murray was the most injured cowboys changed their game plan to 90% passing the first half and Romo threw 132 yards and 3 tds with over 14 minutes left in just the 2nd quarter. Against a team who went to the afc championship that year. They did only 1 more series some passing at the start of the 3rd went down threw a 4th td. But the rest of the game just ran the clock down. Instead of inflating stats.
Biggest mvp robbery yet Barry didn't bring it up, because he's an eagles fan, he's cool with Staubach because Staubach was before Barry's time.
@@johnortan1890 lol Rodgers had the best td to interception ratio , and went 11-2 after starting the season 1-2 also 6 tds in the first half , he also didn't play a lot of 4 quarters also his stats are almost identical to Romo, you make it sound like Romo was on another level , he also would've came back had the cowboys even scored with dez let's not act like he wouldn't there was 4 mins left
Yeah Watt carried that team.
I have a problem with Barry calling short touchdown runs “padded” touchdowns, what about the passing touchdowns that qbs would get that are 5 yards or less……or touchdowns where the wide receiver does most of the work are those not padded touchdowns?
Yep he is that biased
I just can't get behind this idea that "scoring touchdowns inside the goal line isn't valuable."
Being able to score on the goal line is massively valuable. Every drive that ends in a goal line stop by the defense would have loved a sure-fire goal line scoring threat. That also doesn't take into account how much work the scoring player put in on the drive preceding the touchdown. If Tomlinson was responsible for 60 yards rushing on a drive that got the Chargers to the one yard line, and he then punched it in for the score, is that "stat-padding"? A lot of your arguments against non-QBs are centered on this idea that their TD totals are padded, and I just don't think that argument holds any water.
it also doesn't account for the QBs who also scored a lot of their TDs within the 10, it's just kinda a flawed idea in general bc scoring TDs shouldn't be seen as a negative just because of proximity. Like, would a RB with 5 TDs of 50+ yards be better than a RB with 14 TDs but no TDs over 20 yards? I guess short TDs can be seen as stat padding, but plenty of QBs stat pad their yards and TDs as well, and that isn't really adjusted for at all.
I really don't understand that logic. He's taking away good RB play because it's not as flashy as a long touchdown? If a RB is great in the red zone, that's a massive positive to an offense. You can still be a valuable asset to the team offense if you're getting a lot of yards throughout the game too (like LT most definitely did)
There’s no such thing as stat padding when it comes to TDs
@@Cwilley0624 possibly the smartest comment I have ever read in my life. Someone get this guy his drool catcher helmet now
@@Cwilley0624 I take it you've never heard of "garbage time"?
AP rightfully deserved that MVP. He was far more valuable to the Vikings than Peyton was to the Broncos. He was literally the entire offense. He faced 8 man boxes all season and still churned out over 2K rushing yards. His value to his team was immense and I don’t see how he couldn’t have gotten the MVP.
"sportswriters have a hard on for 2000 yard rushers." That's because to achieve 2000 yards, you have to evade tacklers, make people miss, study defenses constantly, and do ALL of this over 16 games. AP doing that coming off an injury is incredible. Deserved the MVP for sure.
Say it brother! SKOL HATE BY MEDIA/THE SYSTEM IS REAL!!!
Just say no to Joe Buck! SKOL VIKES!
They should’ve been co-MVP that year. Just like Brett Favre and Barry Sanders were in 1997
@@doodooswaggy3825 Yeah I can’t disagree with you on that. I’m a Broncos fan myself and I just feel Peyton played too good that year to not win MVP himself. But at least he made up for it the next year lol
if anyone should replace AP, its not Peyton, its Megatron
“This player threw for 10000000 yards and threw 200 touchdowns. Who got snubbed? Peyton Manning”
As a biased Vikings fan, you’re so wrong about AP. He faced a ton of 8 man boxes, had an inept passing game (Christian Ponder?), and was really the only reliable offensive threat we had. To almost break Dickerson’s record, and force the Vikings into the playoffs while doing it? That’s value. Without him, that team would’ve been no better than 3-13.
Loved the video though ;) keep up the great work man
he's biased to qbs, which is understandable tbh
Yeah as a ravens fan peters single handily got a generation of rb paid and I mean paid and that a lot year was the craziest thing I’ve seen with my own eyes people don’t realize there has been no one beside AP and KD that came back to true form from that injury
No. Manning had more than double the yardage and double the touchdowns of Peterson. Peterson had the more impressive season, obviously, but that is irrelevant. The V in MVP stands for Valuable, not Impressive. 4,600 yards are obviously more valuable than 2,000. 37 TD’s are obviously more valuable than 12 touchdowns. If you were going to give the MVP award to the most impressive player, then AP still didn’t deserve it. Calvin Johnson breaking Jerry Rice’s receiving yardage record is obviously more impressive than Peterson “almost” breaking Eric Dickerson’s record. AP was objectively the wrong choice.
I think you got the numbers flipped but I get what you’re saying.
The whole thing about scoring touchdowns from less than 10 yards out is a weird argument. You're putting up the same 6 points, and it's also possible that the 2 yard touchdown was only scored because the player broke a big play earlier in the drive
Because when you’re that close it becomes more about how well the O line does against the D line not so much about the running back themselves at least when we’re talking about rushing TD’s within the 5 yard line
This is 100% true, in statemebt for Alexander and Newton they were amazing in Goal to go, a lot of guys just can't close it out. That's one of the flawed arguments for me in the video, like Lawrence Taylor was generational Defense wins championships and an amazing D player that wins you games is better than a QB. Also with Cam they destroyed the Cards, Palmer just wasn't good against Top 10 defenses that year, cam was better
@@TheRealNorth21 so should all passing touchdowns at the goal line also not be as important?
Every single run play or play in general is based on how good the o line is against the d line. You know, passing TDs shouldn’t count because it comes down to how good the WR is against the DB. There are 22 players in the field and every one of them matter
Fr when I heard it I immediately thought he had to be trolling cause that’s such an awful argument
Honestly the psychological effect Lawrence Taylor had on opposing quarterbacks is enough to make a solid argument he deserved MVP
Also invented the need to draft high and pay big for exceptional left tackles.
Giants didn't even sniff a playoff until Lawrence Taylor was drafted in 1981.
I think he put fear in any player that had the ball too.
Dude, Faulk was the only guy you could give it to in 2000. He single-handedly carried that Rams team to a playoff berth and Manning`s season simply was not nearly as impressive.
Undoubtedly. Faulk was not only the best RB in the league, but he was also one of its best receivers despite not playing the position. One of the great all time seasons.
2000 Faulk was great, but lol at him single-handedly carrying the 2000 Rams offense. That was one of the most stacked offenses ever. They were destroying defenses with Trent Green.
@@the757general2 kurt warner and that 2000 season wasnt that great for the rams. its the year before and after that year when they were explosive.
Agreed! And he set the then record for most total TDs (26) and most total yards from scrimmage AND that was with missing 2 games!!
@universe 86 the 2000 Rams actually scored more points than they did the year before. Their worse record and wild card loss were attributable to their defense falling off a cliff (scoring defense went from 4th in the league to last)
Having an MVP in the 2000 season actually makes sense as that was the best running back season of all time, there were like 17 1000 yard rushers that year and if you were dominating the league at the time you had a nasty run game
Correction, there were 23 1000 yard rushers in 2000, holy shit
@@trtorbelfort That's......
WTF...
23 1000 yard rushers in the year 2000 NFL season is insane, we’ll never see that again
While I do agree with many of your opinions and takes, u have now said that cam padded his td’s by scoring near the goal line instead of letting his rb’s do it, but then said that Faulk padded his td’s with 10 1 yard td runs his mvp year. So, what are offenses supposed to do if the qb and rb shouldn’t score? Let a backup rb get take the ball every time they’re inside the 10?
Exactly, it’s not stat padding, it’s winning football games, it’s not like we’re going by blowouts and it’s not the same as in a basketball game when you’re up 30 and still scoring just to boost your numbers, it’s assuring a touchdown, he focuses too much on yards sometimes and not enough on the actual games, a win is a win and it still takes a special skill to score on the one
Its because he's a salty contrarian who doesn't actually have solid points. Saying the person who handles the ball the most of any position should win MVP every single year is lazy as fuck and doesn't take into account out other positions help put those QB's in a good position. Is that the case every single time? No, but this guys videos are maddening with the backwards contradictory bullshit.
Boutta get this man out of my recommendeds.
@@painboyadvanced like I said, I agree with a lot (but certainly not all) of his takes and opinions, but he uses poor arguments sometimes when propping up his players. He’ll use narratives instead of facts sometimes, and often says things to further his agenda for certain players that contradict something else he said for another player. For example, he said that bill Russell is overrated and not really an all time great player. The only real argument he used is that he isn’t a scorer and scoring is the most important and valuable part of basketball. Yet he still has lebron as the goat when he isn’t even a top 10 scorer of all time and could be argued even lower than that. And if u want to make the argument that he’ll finish his career as the all time leading scorer than that means Karl Malone is a better scorer than everyone below him so that argument is invalid. I can easily rattle off a bunch of names who are better scorers than lebron off the top of my head without even looking at anything: Jordan, kareem, bird, wilt, curry, KD, dirk, Jerry west, Hakeem. So according to his logic, lebron shouldn’t even be top 10 ever since he isn’t the greatest scorer of all time
@@__j20 lebron is third on the all time scoring list
Perfect response
You could’ve saved me some time and called this video “Giving nearly every non-QB MVP to the best QB of that year”
"Palmer had more yards passing than Cam had passing and running combined"
That's a weird way to say he had like 100 more total yards because he had no rushing stats, 10 less tds, one more pick, and a worse record.
And didn’t do shit when they went head to head
Given that Peyton Manning ended up winning 5 MVPs even without all these snubs, I can only imagine that a lot of the years he didn't win had to do with voter fatigue.
he shouldn’t have won in 2009 , bree’s played better than him statistically and goes on to beat him in the super bowl
People really took the numbers that he put up for pretty much the first decade of his career in that offense for granted smh
@@AdolphSaxOfficial he really was ahead of his time. Him and Dan Marino before him.
Like Mickey Mantle in the 1950s
HGH
Nah. Disagree wit most of these. QB’s aren’t always the most valuable just cuz they’re QB’s. But Newton, a QB who led his team to a rare 15-1 season, absolutely deserved it. And people wouldn’t say otherwise if it weren’t for that Von Miller forced fumble
Forced fumble happened in the Super Bowl tho. If that happened in the regular season he may have actually been runner up to Carson Palmer
i think it has more to do with how electric and good outside of stats he was like how he could keep plays alive and run over defenders
The eye test was part of the reason he won mvp
it was so much the forced fumble, rather the fact that cam didnt fucking jump on it
@@JarrekAsF Are you serious? 14 to 15 wins plus 1 moment would not have overturned an overwhelming 98% of the vote
lawrence taylor was absolutely the #1 reason the 1986 giants had a top 3 defense ever. dude was the most impactful player every single snap and the giants barely get 9 wins without him. the fact that one singular player made the LT position one of the most valuable positions in football is more than enough to warrant an mvp. the dude literally changed how the entire game of football was played forever
What hes not telling you is some of these MVPs were won on record breaking seasons like Lawrence Taylor, Marshall Faulk, etc. Doing things no one else has ever done while being the driving force behind your teams success is MVP worthy. Perspective is everything
No. it's not. The driving force argument is good. If no one has ever done it? Doesn't matter. But doing that great thing does NOT necessarily drive your team.
Whoa, did you say Jonathan Stewart was elite? He was washed and constantly injured at that point in his career. Olsen was good, but Cam had 45 total td's with Tedd Ginn as his #1 receiver. He didn't carry a terrible team, he carried a bad offense.
He said he was a good running back. Not elite
Obviously didn’t actually watch the Panthers play that season.
this whole channel is satire i’m pretty sure lmao. on the fact alone “padding rushing stats inside the 10 yard line” is even being used as if every rushing td should be 20 yards out
Jonathan Stewart ran for 989 yards that’s season, idk if I’d say washed
Stewart was never a true #1 back. He's always been the power back. Look back to when DeAngelo Williams was around, that's when Stewart was most effective. Newton also had to work with Ted Ginn, Corey Brown, Jericho Crottchery and Brento Bersin at Wr. His only saving grace was Olsen always getting 1st downs and big plays.
The fact that Drew Brees never won a MVP blows my mind. 5 5,000 yard seasons and not once smh
3 of them his team finished 7-9
@@dragonboy141 I know. It’s unfortunate that a team record determines if someone can win MVP
@Michael Darby... Thats because "garbage time" stats really matter when ur team has a losing record. It means they were trailing most of those games n always playing come back football. So the defense is playing "prevent" not to give up any big plays, n thats when QBs pad the stats the most. When it really doesnt matter at that point in the game anymore
@@GeneralBuckNaked sure, but it’s not like that’s happening every single game. The Saints, even with their terrible defenses in 2008, 2012 and 2014-2016, were in all but 2-3 games a season for the most part until close to the end because of Brees. Without him, those Saints teams would be 2-14, maybe 3-13 at best. Of course I can’t speak for anyone else because I didn’t pay attention to them or their teams.
He should’ve got it in 2011. I get that Aaron Rodgers had more TDs and less INTs but there’s more to QB than that. Brees was Peyton Manning level genius that year and was calling his own play every time. You never see Rodgers switch the play up to a hand off. Payton would give him 12 personnel in a 4 wide form and Brees would hit a quick pass then hurry up into an Iform cuz our backup tight end was a serviceable lead blocker and Jimmy Graham could actually put his hand in the dirt and block better than ppl remember. And it’s zoom off to the races we’re calling hb dive and power runs and the defense is stuck with 6 d backs out there.
This was a casually put together video. While I did agree with some of your choices, alot of them were so bad that they overshadowed the actual good ones. You obviously love adjusted stats 🤣
U mean u dont agree with this idiots opinion that cunningham was better than a prime montana? Lol
Theme of this video:
QBs are the only valuable position in football. Forget the other 10 players on the field.
I would love if you ranked all of Tom Brady's playoff games. So would a lot of your subscribers I feel
*superbowls
Just do bradys playoff losses. Their have been some very ugly ones.
@@axle1717 he’s had wins worse than his losses 🤣
The only bad losses I remember are those Ravens ones. Rest were all close games.
Super Bowl 42, 46 and 52 were his best imo
Ladainian Tomlinson is an easy disagree for me tbh, Rivers was just okay that season. I feel like just saying "player had x amount of TDs on the goal line" is leaving out context. If a RB is the guy engineering the offense to the goal line, you cant take away his TD credit bc he scored on the goal line. 8 game stretch where he had over 100 yards rushing and 2+ TDs. He had the 2nd most yards from scrimmage all time (at the time) to go along with his record breaking 31 TDs. Without him i dont even see the chargers having a winning record that year. You say 23 of tomlinson's 31 Tds came inside the 10 yard line but 2006 Manning: of his 31 pass TDs, 17 were inside the 10 yard line with 15 of those being inside the 5 yard line. Wouldnt you say that leaves out context to how important he was to the team? Also i know he won the super bowl that year but he sported a 3/7 TD/INT ratio in the playoffs whereas LT had 185 yards on 25 touches and lost bc of how poorly Rivers played and his defense intercepted the ball on 4th down then fumbled it right back. LT > Manning for me that year for sure, great video tho
Exactly, he was the reason that team was good.
I think he makes these videos to rile people up. No one in the right mind things LT didn't deserve that MVP. Man lives in Bizarro world.
I agree with J B part of me thinks he made this video just to rile people up because who in their right mind would not give Jim Brown the MVP in the era where running backs mattered more than any other position on the field.
And I don't think he's responded to anyone who's had a lengthy counter argument to any of his points like with LT you take him off of the chargers that year and they're probably in the top 10 picks because Philip Rivers was not ready to take over being the engine of the offense.
@@painboyadvanced fr his takes are so outlandish sometimes and can’t take him seriously
Yeah plus running backs usually score at the goal line, that’s still a hard td to get
I think Barry thinks defenses just give you a touchdown if you get in the red zone. Like seriously closing out drives is insanely valuable
Also seriously undervaluing the QBs rushing ability yes Carson Palmer had more yards throwing than cam did throwing and rushing (barely) but cam had the ability to close out drives with his legs and arms which is inherently more valuable because it’s harder for defenses to stop
Tomlinson literally had one of the best seasons ever and scored 9 touchdowns past 10 yards which is insane and literally was his team how is that not the most valuable
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He needed to be under center and taking the snaps directly according to this video.
Barry, you're simply too anti running back. To claim the likes of Faulk, Alexander, Tomlinson & AD didn't deserve MVP is insane lol. I also disagree about Cam.
Cam got 10 more touch downs than palmer its not even debatable
Barry hitting that crack pipe
Alexander shouldn't have got shit. He was a lumbering loser who ran through holes the size of Texas and would be out of football in like a year when he didn't an all-time great O-Line.
Even the Earl Campbell one. He had a CRAZY season, n he says that Staubach deserved it more with some mediocre stats, even though he wasnt even the best QB in the league that year. Makes no sense at all
most boring opinion
I understand most of your points made, the thing that gets forgotten with the mvp is how important the “story” is. For example on top of having a great season 2012 Adrian Peterson was coming off a torn acl which was one of the biggest storylines in the league that year, which helped him win mvp
and Dude carried a much worse team to playoffs with christian ponder as his quarterback
Honestly, I don’t think it should just be about stats. APs story is unbelievable and statistically impressive as hell when you look at his teams passing game. Also I disagreed with his take on Lawrence Taylor. While yes Dan Marino was impressive statistically especially in that context. LT led a team with top defense and mediocre offense to a dominant season. I think the eye test and the psychological effect on quarterbacks of having a coked out maniac who more than likely would quickly and violently sack you at least once if not more each game was enough to give him mvp
"Story" like how Peyton Manning got several neck surgeries that no one has ever come back from. The guy had to learn how to throw with basically a brand new arm and played elite in 2012? That is a better story than a torn acl, fyi Adrian is not the first runningback to tear their acl and run for 2000 yards the next season. Barry Sanders did it. If you are strong with your rehab your knee will actually be stronger when you get back.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 ok your exaggerating Peyton's story and just dead wrong about Barry Sanders he did tear his acl the before rushing for 2000 yards
This is pretty much just admitting the MVP isn't about value or performance. It's a popularity contest.
As a Steelers fan I must say that Cam deserved that MVP. The way Cam played that year went far beyond the stat sheet as he made plays no other quarterback could make. Additionally, he had a great impact on his team as the swagger and confidence he brought contributed to the momentum they would use to win 15 games. So overall, Cam was the best and most impactful player in the league that year and no one can take that away from.
This dude has the worst sports takes
Yea I agree Cam was amazing in 2015. One of the funnest players to ever watch. Kinda choked in the SB but that Denver defense was Insane that year
I can spoil the entire video for you
If a non QB won, he wants to replace them with a QB.
Also he thinks Peyton manning should have 72 MVPs
finally some carson palmer respect
finally some roger staubach respect
I lost a lot of respect for Palmer after he shit the bed in that NFC title game, but he was solid the whole season besides that lol
It was a snub but that almost all went out the door in the nfc championship game there’s is in almost no way could that happen to you and you he called the mvp
Yes
I’m sure the entire state of Arizona would get more respect if their most talented gamer would just upload a damn video.
That LT one will cause some controversy
I'm surprised that Tom Brady isn't mentioned in any of his 3 MVP seasons
As much as Barry (and most NFL fans) hate Tom, his MVPs are undisputable.
2007-Went 16-0 and broke the touchdown record.
2010-First ever unanimous MVP for a reason.
2017-Won it by default since Wentz got injured. No other QB came close that year, either.
Agree with most of this except one thing, what is “padding TD numbers” just because it’s within the 10 or 1 it isn’t a pad… a lot of times your team needs those points and scoring in the red zone is hard. Every point counts and it doesn’t really matter how far or long the play was.
hes acting like there arent a bunch of linebackers and d linemen all concentrated there to stop the run, if anything its way easier padding td pass numbers on the goal line than padding rushing number
Lemme guess, barry gonna put at least one of Brady’s MVPs on this list 😂
Did you know that he has 7 Super Bowls rings?
@@cloutscout1003 Did you know that he’s 44 years old. Very amazing! Totally doesn't take any drugs
@@cloutscout1003 did you know that football is a team sport?
@@obijuanquenobi1911 did you know that he takes HGH
@@kingfishcakes69 I know, Im just joking about how people talk about that endlessly.
I swear to God Barry, if I see my lord and Savior Thomas Patrick Edward Brady Jr. on this list…..
Peyton manning winning the 2008 mvp with 27 tds and 12 ints was not well deserved.
for real that was ridiculous
Which is why I wish the Saints had won 2-3 more games because Brees put up MVP worthy stats that year (though since Peyton was the golden child for MVP voting and literally had to give a reason for Voters NOT to give him their vote simply because of his name, they probably would’ve had to win 4-5 more).
Ya that year Manning didn't deserve it that year and this coming from a colts fan
For that year he did, I mean there was no one else who put up better stats that at least made playoffs that year.
I guess if Romo didn't break his throwing hand in overtime week 6 maybe he would have. Romo was on track for 4500 yards and 37 tds that year before getting injured which was an amazing statline for 2008 standards.
Or at least never took off the splint on his throwing hand as he had 2559 yards and 21 tds with over 100 rating in 9 games he played and went 7-2. Then took off the splint from his throwing hand the last 4 games for some reason, was throwing weird, and went 1-3 with a 6-5 td-int and only 889 yards, and a 70 rating.
But outside of Romo, any other qb who was on track or had better stats than peyton didn't have a winning record.
I can’t believe Tom Brady was not mentioned once aside from the deflategate joke
Who got snubbed? Payton Manning
Barry,
I am very upset you didn't take my suggestion about making a video on the negative effects of marijuana legalization in the United States
You're in my prayers
-Zaddy McNut
I guess I'll counterargue these if at all possible:
Jim Brown - 1957: I'm really torn on this one. On the one hand, Jim Brown is the greatest running back in NFL history, and on the other hand, Johnny Unitas was the prototype for modern quarterbacks. Also, I think the season was still only 12 games long at the time.
Paul Hornung - 1961: I've got no counters for this one, as much as I admire the Lombardi Packers. Jurgensen got bamboozled.
Alan Page - 1971: The problem with trying to argue against this is that Page's stats are probably incomplete due to tracking of sacks not becoming a thing until a decade later.
Earl Campbell - 1979: No counters, Staubach should've won this one.
Mark Mosley - 1982: Context is very much needed to understand this. The points that Mosley accounted for were literally the difference between Washington winning Super Bowl XVII and not making the playoffs at all. Considering that it was also a strike-shortened year, and the fact that kicking might actually be the hardest job in the sport, I can let this one go.
Lawrence Taylor - 1986: I strongly disagree with Barry. Lawrence Taylor was the most feared defensive player ever, a player who single-handedly made decades worth of schemes obsolete as coaches frantically tried (and failed) to stop him from taking over games. The Giants don't win Super Bowl XXI if Taylor isn't there.
John Elway - 1987: Well, if there was any year that a WR should've won MVP, it was this one.
Joe Montana - 1990: I find it hilarious that legendary playoff choker RANDALL CUNNINGHAM was the other option here. Barry McCockiner really is a born and raised Philadelphian.
Thurman Thomas - 1991: You know a team is good when they have both the NFL MVP and the guy who came second in MVP voting, even if the guy who came second should've won the award.
Emmitt Smith - 1993: I agree with Barry if only because Steve Young is a southpaw like me.
Marshall Faulk - 2000: Like Peyton Manning even needed more MVP's, doesn't he have the most of any player?
Steve McNair - 2003: No argument for this.
Shaun Alexander - 2005: Hard no because the Seahawks are the NFL team that British Columbia (yes, I'm Canadian) is inclined to root for.
LaDainian Tomlinson - 2006: Absolutely not. Just no. Tomlinson was the lifeblood of the Chargers offense that year.
Peyton Manning - 2009: Choosing between the Sheriff and Brees is like choosing between the red pill and the blue pill.
Adrian Peterson - 2012: Like with Tomlinson and the Chargers, AP was the ONLY reason the Vikings offense was any good that year.
Cam Newton - 2015: Part of this is that Cam was an excellent dual-threat signal caller, the other part is that Cam kicked Palmer's ass in the NFC Championship Game.
U had almost as much wrong as he did lmao.. I aint gonna go over every single one I disagree with, but Earl Campbell definitely deserved his MVP. Staubach didnt even lead in any QB categories except for maybe 1. Theres no way he had a better year than Earl.. And as for your Randall slander, they NEVER built a team around him. Name 1 great WR or RB that he had?? He had no help at all. The Defense was the best part of that team. N its hard to blame him for losing the fog bowl with that weather. Especially when the Bears were a run heavy team n the Eagles werent
these counters are kinda bias
Legendary playoff choker has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with a regular season award, so mock that Cunningham snub all you like
For 2005, if you had to go with another MVP candidate, Carson Palmer or Tiki Barber would have made more sense than Peyton again.
@@RicardoAGuitar 2000 Faulk and 2006 Tomlinson had legendary seasons, but their teams also went one and done. That doesn’t diminish their years
Barry loves when a QB leads the league in passing categories except when it’s Brady
Exactly. So hypocritical. He's an idiot.
Of course the QB is gonna have the most yards, that doesn’t make them the best player.
the mvp award isn't supposed to be based on who is the best player, but who is the most valuable player in the league, which is largely dependent on the position. I think you just completely misunderstood the whole video
God do I love the amount of variety on this channel. Plus the Brady jokes are on a stratosphere rarely found these days
he's on that 5th stage of grief now
Imagine being Dan Fouts and finding out you lost MVP to a kicker lmao
After hearing that first one, you clearly have no idea how important RBs were back in those days
Back then, running backs were more valuable than quarter backs were. The NFL has evolved since the 1980’s and 1990’s.
Also, who was on cocaine and decided to name a KICKER to be MVP? I’m literally crying
nfl really said "we do a little bit of trolling"
This video is just “all the QBs should of won”.
Basically
Disagree on Newton. Greg Olsen was a great TE, but it's not a coincidence that his best years coincide with Newton's best years. Olsen was better because of Newton, less so the other way around. I find it also hard to buy that a point against Newton was that he had a great RB, which you have mentioned multiple times doesn't hold as much positional value. If you're a QB on a 15-1 team, and put up unprecedented TD numbers (in terms of the rushing to passing TD split), you're going to win MVP. Palmer was great that year, but not nearly enough to overcome Newton's resume.
To be fair, that's the only one I truly disagree with. The rest I think are defensible, if not outright correct.
Can’t forget that cam beat the shit out of Palmer in the NFC Championship without His WR1 and left tackle
Not to mention Stewart wasn't even that good just serviceable. He'd be a short yardage specialist on any other team. That's without even getting into the receivers he had outside of Olsen; do the likes of Ed Dickson, Ted Gin, Devin Funchess, and Philly freaking Brown strike fear into the hearts of any defense?
Cam was trash in 2014 and 2016 and Olsen had pretty much the same stats. 1008 6 tds and 1073 3 tds is not much different than 1104 7 tds when you consider that Newton had a by far and i mean by far the best season of newton's career. Yet it only effected olsens stars slightly.
I literally can’t stop laughing everytime I rewatch the 1982 section.
nobody:
Barry: Lawrence Taylor didn't deserve MVP with 20.5 sacks over Dan Marino who was 8-8 with not even the worst defense but the third worst defense
Sacks have to be the most useless stat ever lmao
@@erickivell7779 what
Honestly, if they were gonna give it to a defensive player, it should have been Wilber Marshall, who dominated across the board rather than in just one category while anchoring the league`s best defense on a Bears team with a mediocre offense.
@@erickivell7779 do you even watch football? Pass rush alone can absolutely destroy offenses and for every sack they get they generally disrupted 3 more
What about all the short touchdown passes thrown by Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, etc. One factor in the explosion of touchdown passes in the NFL is the greatly increased number from inside the 10 yard line, many inside the five. Peyton Manning completed 215 touchdowns from inside the 10 yard line - 90 from 3 yards and in. Also, what about the Terrell Davis receiving the 1998 NFL MVP from the AP over Randall Cunningham? Cunningham had one of the greatest passing seasons of all-time while leading his team to a 15-1 record and setting the NFL single-season scoring record of 556 points.
How did Marshall Faulk pad his stats lol? The OC told him to run and he did....in the endzone....with the ball in his hand....over and over again. It's even more impressive that a 5'10, 211lb guy can do that consistently at the one-yard line. I am of the belief that any skill player can win MVP and more OL need to need OPOY. Certainly a fair amount of years QB's should win it (The Dan Marino snub was crazy) but it's more nuanced than the ideation of "QB's will always be more valuable than RBs" especially pre-brady/manning and having Ponder and Joe Webb as your QB (AD was rushing for 100+ yards with 8 or more men in the box lol).
If you want to know how valuable it is to have a running back that can get the ball in from the 1 yard line, just watch the Vikings this year and look at what a disaster Alexander Mattison is. I honestly think that guy could lose yards even if the defense only had 10 men on the field.
Just found your channel late last night when I couldn't sleep. I love it. Keep up the good work. Part of your channel's charm is that each video watches like a great bar conversation you have with a down to earth rando at your local watering hole.
It's not the best qb award it's the MVP award, you're seriously undervaluing how important a great running back can be.
The biggest oversight in this video is that he constantly mentions players "padding their touchdown stats" by scoring close to the goal line, and then goes on to say a QB was snubbed because he had a ton of passing yards. News Flash: QBs can pad their passing yard stats... like a lot.
tbf TDs can easily get padded as well. the amounts of schemed up "passing" TDs through shovel passes and wide open receivers due to motion when inside the 3 is ridiculous this season
The NFL MVP award is basically the 'Quarterback Of The Year' Award.
"As we all know, sports writers have a hard-on for 2,000 yard running backs."
*2020 Derrick Henry has entered the chat*
Cam was still brilliant that year even if it was a fluke
Cam fully deserved it. Especially that he led the team to 15-1. Prime Cam ain’t a fluke
A fluke? That offense doesn't do too well for long without him. Their scheme is perfect for him as you saw the last 2 games.
@@cooper23231 Fr. 15-1 is never a fluke. His injuries just made it seem like that to some
Barry was highkey talkin outta his ass when he said Palmer deserved it more 💀
Qb don't always need to win a dam MVP like come on bro Be real lol But I hear u
you can disagree with the concept of the mvp award if you think giving the most prestigious award in the league to whoever happens to be the most objectively valuable, which is largely based on position, instead of giving it too whoever excelled at their position the most is boring or stupid, but that doesn't mean this interpretation of the award is wrong.
2005: you didn’t even select the right player at that position! If a QB was going to win the MVP that year, it would have been Carson Palmer (more TD, more passing yards, only other QB with a 100 passer rating that season)
I love it when someone who wasn't alive to see the MVPs says they didn't deserve the award.
I'm really surprised that every Tom Brady MVP season wasn't up here given how much you hate Tom Brady.
Me too lol
It's true that Barry hates the G.O.A.T. That said, he still considers Tom Brady's 2007 season to be a top 10 QB season of all-time. Those three MVP seasons, as much as McCockiner wouldn't like to admit, were well-earned.
The thing about Mosley's MVP award is that it is for the most *valuable* player, not necessarily the *best* player in the league. Mosley's was the difference between Washington finishing at the bottom of the standings and having homefield advantage during the '82 playoff tournament. Fouts was obviously a better player but Washington TE Doc Walker said he wouldn't be able to flash the hardware without Mosley's performance in the regular season.
I could see Justin Tucker getting MVP votes if he had a season with like 7 game winning kicks and a couple broken records or something actually
@@simoncohen9323 If you wanna ask members of that '82 team about that, they'd probably disagree with you.
@@simoncohen9323 dunno what to tell ya, my dood. If you'd like to write a complaint to the Associated Press, be my guess, but they're probably not gonna revoke his award.
@@simoncohen9323 it was a strike shortened season so that helped Mosley out greatly
What you are missing in this is that back in the day in the 70’s through to the early 2000’s Running backs where the heat and soul of an offence. Yes Old time writers got hard for power backs like Earl Campbell because without him the Oilers can’t sustain drives.
This has changed as time has gone on thanks to the likes of first Elway then Manning and Brady into modern football.
Also LT literally killed the league with how dominant he was in 86. His season is so rare and he changed how his position was played for years to come.
QB exists:
Barry: *Heavy breathing*
This video personifies the greatness of Peyton manning who is the GOAT. 5 MVP's, 7 all pros, he should have another MVP in 2005, every season he was minimally top 3 in efficiency stats, set the single season touchdown record twice, he's the goat without question. He not only led the league in passer rating 5 times, but even the other efficiency metric like qbr is higher than any quarterback since 2006 when that became a stat.
@@MikeBNumba6 He also played in 4 superbowls, all with different head coaches. I've seen countless lists ranking Troy Aikmen ahead of Steve young because of rings, Terry Bradshaw is unanimous ranked ahead of Dan Fouts with inferior stats on a team with 10 hof's. Fuck the rings argument.
@@gregtrust5599 Peyton Manning would’ve dominated any era. Btw Manning was putting up those incredible numbers when defense can actually play defense. No telling what his numbers would be in today game.
@@gregtrust5599 He broke the single season touchdown and passing yards record with Rodgers, Brady, rivers and Brees as his peers. He lead his offense to 606 points. How's Eric decker, Demaryius and Julius Thomas doing these days? Manning was a machine with no continuity at head coach, no Sean Payton, Belichick, or Andy Reid, insert Manning on any roster and you have 10 guarenteed wins.
@@gregtrust5599 he had 2 losing seasons his entire career, at within his first 4 seasons, 1 his rookie campaign and another where he lead his offense to a respectable 423 points.
@@gregtrust5599 I take it your saying that's the reason for some of his MVP's with the exception of 04? Obviously you're old enough to watch Marino, since you were able to watch Elway, he's the physical tools goat, but his stats are underwhelming to his peers. Am I missing something or is he slightly overrated as someone who never watched him play?
seeing Peyton in the snub category so many times should show how dominant he was, given that he won the award 5 times outright
And yet he's somehow considered worse than Brady 🤔
@@dysphoria_1.040 yes cause of his down bad playoff resume when it came to the Regular Season Peyton Manning was always better then Brady with the Exception of 2007 or 2010
@@nicholausbell2749 So what you're saying is he is the better player but sometimes chokes in the post season
@@dysphoria_1.040 didn’t help that the colts had a borderline anemic defense most of his time in Indy. Not saying he didn’t have his struggles in the playoffs, but playing from behind most games really doesn’t do any favors
@@skinWalkman Yeah, that too
Nobody:
Barry: Peyton should have 15 mvp’s and the running back position should be eliminated from football
After watching a lot of your videos I find it tough to say that great quarterbacks are actually that valuable considering all the all-time great quarterbacks who either win no Super Bowls or only win one Super Bowl the conclusion I've drawn from a lot of your videos is that having an all-time historically greater even the greatest quarterback ever means very little in terms of winning it seems to be far more important to have a good offensive line and a good defense long as you have a decent or not horrible quarterback and a great defense and great team around that quarterback you have a better shot at winning than having an all-time great quarterback and a subpar team around him
There are times on certain teams when the running back is more valuable than a quarterback. Overall I get the stance, but in those instances when a running back is good enough to put the team on his back I think he should be rewarded MVP. Unfortunately due to QBs throwing the balls to the wideouts I don’t think we’ll see a WR MVP
I was playing retro bowl and my wr got mvp because he got 2800 yards and like 25 tds
I know it's retro bowl, but it's still crazy i was able to get a WR to be MVP.
The Tight End got like 500 yards and my runningback had 6 rushing yards and 1000 receiving yards.
Alternative title: Who got snubbed? Peyton Manning
The fact that cam almost made them go undefeated as a running qb is why he won it.. it was well deserved
"Not even the best linebacker of all time is more valuable than a great quarterback"
Spoken like a true casual.
He only changed the way offenses played and forced the invention of two TE sets, what a scrub. Gib the award to a QB!!!
That’s what he is . People get platforms and post like this for attention
I like how you mention when other QBs carry a bad defense but only put drew Brees on there 1 time 🤣 he been carrying saints bad defenses his WHOLE career without a pro bowl WR 🤣
He never won MVP, and I'm pretty sure the saints had a top 5 defense on 09
@@AdolphSaxOfficial exactly and I’m not just talking about the 2009 season I’m talking about them seasons he had 5,000 yards in
@@AdolphSaxOfficial they didn’t in 2009. They were 20th in points allowed and were average or worse in a lot of other stats. The only thing that defense did well was force turnovers and they forced them to the point that it masked a lot of their issues that season.
@@AdolphSaxOfficial they did not. Not even close. 2009 Saints defense was #20 in points, #25 in yards, #20 in yards per play, #26 in pass yards, #21 in rush yards, #26 in rush RPC allowed, #19 in rush TDs allowed, and #18 in points per drive. They were excellent at takeaways, didn't allow a lot of pass TDs, and some of the points and yardage giving up is misleading since they had a lot of blowout victories which meant the opposing was mostly playing in garbage time but I still wouldn't consider that defense good just average at best.
@@AdolphSaxOfficial that was 2010 with top 5. 09 they were great when they needed to be though.
I don't think the MVP should default to the QB position with other positions only considered as an afterthought. I understand the concept on most valuable, but if it's going to be the QB EVERY year, then it seems more like the BQB award rather than MVP.
Personally, I don't believe a non-QB will ever win MVP again. And defensive player? Forget about it.
There's nothing wrong with it being called the most valuable player award because quarterbacks are the most valuable players.
the thing is then why even have the award at that point when its just going to be only qbs should just have it called the most valuable quarterback
Do Super Bowl MVPs. I’d definitely watch that just for one person specifically lol
Barry is the typa guy to throw it four times in a row inside the 5. You can't just pad the rb's stats and you sure as hell can't kick it. Plus a good Running back is always easier to stop than a good quarterback 👍🏼
I disagree with alot of your takes but I appreciate the time and effort you put in the videos. Your videos are always super informative. Great thing about being a sports fan is we all have our opinions.
Seeing how yesterday Ohtani and Harper were voted MVPs, I wonder if the NFL would benefit from AFC and NFC getting separate MVPs.
No nfl shouldn’t have two mvps per season
Barry: “QBs are always more valuable than RBs no matter how good a RB is.”
Also Barry: “Cam Newton shouldn’t have won MVP in 2015 because he has Jonathan Stewart!”
Easily the worst video on your channel.
Barry tried to take 7 of Cam's rushing TDs away despite the fact that he still had Palmer beat with total TDs 38-36
I'm so sure Barry really cares that you think this is his worst video. We must have all forgot that only your opinion matters!
I wish i could like this video twice, great video Barry
I'm still fairly new to Football, the first game I saw was the Pats vs Falcons in the Super Bowl. But it's still strange to me that kickers are considered the least respected position in the sport. Considering the sport is called *Foot*ball. Still great video
They are respected but the kicker that won mvp wasn’t that good
But you should also consider that football evolved from the very first beginning, and grew from its roots, semantic or not.
what a beautiful game to start watching with.
great joke, in american football they rarely kick
Hand egg
Its almost the same with the NBA. the MVP should go to the best player overall, but narratives and team success a certain year could push a player over the top.
russell westbrook would have like 3 mvps then lol
If ur team isn’t winning then you weren’t that valuable, makes sense why team success is a huge factor
@@simoncohen9323 he was the most valuable tho
@@simoncohen9323 ok
Being the best player in the league and the mvp is two different things. KD was the best player in the league last year but he wasn’t more valuable than Jokic. Westbrook was never the best player in the league but he most definitely was the most valuable player in 2017
I was fine, then I saw Lawrence Taylor. Call me bias but the fact that he completely dominated the field like a qb speaks for itself
There should be a "Best Player" award separate from the MVP.
Personally, I think these awards are a joke. It's a team game. Does anyone think that Marshall Faulk or Kurt Warner do 1/10th of what they did without Orlando Pace and his pancake block?
I would have added Tom Brady in 2017 where it was basically them just giving him a lifetime achievement award
Wentz coulda got that one, but he's made of glass
@@AdolphSaxOfficial nah i would say wet paper. glass needs a good amount of force to break sometimes
@@AdolphSaxOfficial didn't wentz still have more TD's while having not played the last 3 games? How did Brady get the award with such basic stats that year
@@silverjaiden2450 no one player was really that good that year.
@@TetraGalaxyTelecast again. Wentz had more td’s while missing 3 1/2 games that year. Also Russell Wilson had better stats.
I disagree, the QB position always gets the mvp, it should be called now mvqb. To me other positions are as important, nowadays 5 or 6 QBs have above 35 Tds, its not unusual, for example last year other QBs had similar stats to Rodgers, but the season Henry had was out of this world, he was the 7th or 8 player all time to rush for more than 2000 yards (in comparison a 40+ td year for a QB is common this days) , he dominated the league. The same thing happened to CJ2k back in the late 2010's.
Its unffair the QBs get all the love always, plus the rules benefit them the most...
Ps
Love your content, thank for hating Tom "im overrated" Brady.
Please when his serie come out, make a video about it
Imagine this, if Henry, Rodgers, Mahomes, Lamar, Wilson, and Stafford (to name a few) were in free agency and you are a new team, who is your first option? Definitely not Henry.
Why? Because they are more valuable than the best RB in the league. Simple as that.
@@maudelhoyo4019 I get what you're saying, but Im not trying to build a team, my team is already built, there are so many factors, the team around, the talent, etc. To me a QB throwing for 40+. Tds and 4500 + yds is usual, the award nowadays is only for QBs, it doesn't matter if you break an all time récord, you'll only OPY or DPY, because the other award is only for QBs which all have pretty much the same stats... Of the last 20 mvp's, 4 are RBs 16 QBs, of those 20, none has won the superbowl in the year which they won. I get the thing that the QBs is the most important position, but if a player gets an all time récord, he should be above a bunch of QBs with similar stats, not only RB, all positions, including defense.
@@HopefulNihilist yeah I know that only few QBs have had above 48 Tds, but you can agree with me that nowadays most of the rules are in favor of the offense, the passing game and specially the QB, I get it, the QB is most of times the difference between winning and losing, and only a couple of teams like the 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs are won a SB without a good QB.
Yeah the QB is important, but most QBs in the league have above 35 Tds, damn even big ben last year had over 35 Tds.
Im not against the QBs winning the mvp, or thinking they don't deserve it. Its the fact that the AP seems to even consider another postion.
RBs would need a 2300+ yds season + 34 Tds to even be considered.
Wrs would need 2000 yds and 25 Tds to even be considered.
Te, linemen don't enter this conversation
And on the defensive side, only a DE/OLB with 25 sacks
LB and defensive back will never win it.
@@lalitovice33 it’s not usual to throw for 4500 yards and 40 tds. Only one person will probably do that this year and they will win mvp. With the 17 games maybe two will get there
Rodgers threw 48-5 td-int which is a record breaking td-int ratio, top 5 in passing tds season of all time, and had a 121 passing rating which would be the record if not for Rodgers 122 passing rating in 2011.
Henry had a great year running threw the biggest holes of all time without being touched particularly against nfc south teams. But that isn't going to beat a qb with a record breaking season.
This is a sick idea. You should do this for basketball as well and you should make a video talking about good analytics and stats that are useful in determining how good a player is. I know there are different ones for different positions but idk it would be cool. Good shit
The fact that Brees didn’t get that MVP in 09 still rubs me the wrong way… media hates New Orleans sports teams lol
Cam Newton was clearly the MVP that year.
Christian Ponder was the worst QB in NFL history, plus an average defense
Jared Goff will need a beer from u on that one.
Blaine Gabbert, Nathan Peterman, Jamarcus Russell, and Ryan Leaf would kill to be as good as Ponder was.
@@DeafeningCha Don't for get Johnny "Football" either.
@@youngcbnetwork7393 I wouldn't say that Goff was a busted. His 2017 and 2018 seasons were pretty good. After those two seasons, he is at best average.
Not even the worst QB that season
There shold just be skill position awards. QB award, RB award, WR award, OL award, TE award, DL award, LB award CB and safety. Then special teams as well. Makes sense to me instead of giving it to a QB every yera because they are set up to be the most impactful
Saying Marino deserved the 86 mvp over LT is asinine.
LT was such a force that if they did give it to Marino that year, he would have been so scared, he'd have gone to LT's house and given it to him.
A running back winning MVP should be more impressive than a quarterback winning MVP considering how hard it is for other position players to win MVP and the fact that most quarterback stats are due to the players around him.
And running back stats don't depend on the players around him?
@@maudelhoyo4019 they do but running backs just rely on blockers quarterbacks kinda rely on the whole offense. Plus of quarterback passing yards or touchdowns to me says more about his weapons then just his arm.
@@nickgamble280uhhhh, you know that receivers, tight ends, and full backs also block?
@@maudelhoyo4019 yeah because running backs run behind their receivers. But I said running backs rely blocking anyways.
@@maudelhoyo4019 it's just quarterbacks rely on literally everything on the offense and get full credit when they look good and zero blame when they don't look good