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Main Dealer Hasn't a Clue, Charges 1k and it's still not fixed 🤬 Yamaha V-Max.
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2024
- In this episode I'm taking a look at a Yamaha V-Max (VMX1200), that has apparently been fixed by the local dealer, it hasn't. what a complete disaster.
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Apart from your obvious technical genius, what makes your videos so watchable is the human feelings you also portray, fear, worry, doubt but also pride and elation when you inevitably succeed. it’s great, man.
1:00 for further context, it had an issue where it was loosing spark or the spark was weak atleast n that was part of the initial prompt to take it to the dealership along with the running issues, yada, yada.. It was a while back I don't remember the full details..
Used to be a reputable dealer but they really did us wrong on this one so it's great to see someone treating it with the respect it deserves. Bravo 👏
(My dad's bike)
Sounds to me like the dealer didn't even realise the bike had carbs. Think about it... replaced the ECU?! without checking the carbs... what?
Stealer Dealer
Great troubleshooting. Sounds like the dealer didnt want to get inside a set of old carbs. Far easier to sell bolt on stuff or plug a computer in. Great work as usual
It's an absolute farce that dealership would not do the simple tests to quickly point out the fuelling issues. To fix this bike is literally a carbs rebuild/refresh. Anybody who works on older bikes would get those conclusions quickly.
I just cannot believe that dealer would opt straight away for a new ECU, what a travesty that dealer is !
You should make all viewers aware what dealership this was because this bike's case is an absolute robbery on the poor owner..
Would be a small claims court case for me. They didn't fix the problem and still had the cheek to give a bill.
Dealerships, both car & bike alike are trapped by not being able to return electrical components, hence if they wrongly diagnose an electrical fault, order in a high value part, as in this case an ECU, they can't send it back if it proves to not be a fix.
Dealerships should always speak to the customer prior to ordering any parts in, if they can't 100% say the ECU is goosed, they've no business billing the customer for a missed diagnosed job, unless the customer has given consent to accept the bill regardess.
This is correct process laid down in "Terms & Conditions" of a dealerships working practice.
Customer has a valid claim to go direct to Yamaha & demand a full refund for any money paid.
I've worked for Honda for 30+ yrs, so I know first hand how it should done.
Stealer Dealer
Like the Bearded Mechanic says, "There's mechanics, and then there's parts replacers." Had a main dealer quote me £2k to strip down the EGR system and shot blast it with almond husks to clean it in order to clear a fault code, when I knew a 30 minute blast at 70 mph on the M4 would do just as well.
Spot on about the ultra sonic cleaning, it’s just a part of the process, learnt this with a bank of GSX-R carbs that needed so much more than I paid for
The technician probably couldn't find any injectors, so just replaced the ECU 😂😂😂.
So glad i'm retired now but still love my carby bikes.
THE INJECTORS ARE MISSING‼
I'm surprised most people aren't aware of or don't use the Consumer Rights Act 2015.
Chapter 4 deals with services. If more people were aware of chapter 4's basic content, most dealers wouldn't try ripping us off so much. One part (sec 49, (1)) defines the trader "must perform the service with reasonable care and skill"
Services should also be supplied within a reasonable time, unless a time scale is specified (due to trader informing you).
It doesn't look like much care and skill was lavished on that bike prior to you receiving it 🤔
Exactly what went wrong with my '89 max, glad to say i did it myself on the kitchen table years ago-go me!
good work Jim, those carbs are a mess, you may want to ask the customer how many other folk have had their big clumsy mitts on the bike. to get the best from our ultrasonic i use a syringe and while the carb is under water jet as much fluid into as many holes as i can, surprised how many air bubbles come out. As you say not the complete answer. Plenty carb cleaner and air then more carb cleaner. Ultrasonic tank good for external clean after a scrub down with stale fuel or diesel.
Great video. I had similar problem with the diaphragms and sliders on a 535 Virago. Very similar carbs. I’m sure the diaphragms weren’t that expensive. Bought mine from NRP Carbs. I glued the diaphragm plastic inner to the slider and that sorted it. Pity my son then wrote the bike off! I have another one in the garage that I’m rebuilding. Long term project.
Great Vid as always Jim! Can you recommend a compression tester where the spark plug end doesn't just spin freely. The internet is full of folks who can't get the hose out. I've taped mine but still nervous. A solid one would ease my mind. Thanks for any help. Keep up the Wafflage!
Thanks for watching 👍 The one I use is a Snap-on one. Unfortunately, I don't have any recommendations beyond that.
Most dealers don't have decent old school mechanics anymore, if its not on the computer they are clueless...
Couldn't agree with you more 👍
@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV oddly enough I've seen very similar issue with a virargo 250 that came into my workshop about ten years ago, rubbers crushed in the carbs and damage to the sliders, it had been to a different shop which had given up. Didn't say much about the other shop. I did the job with the owner watching, don't normally but I liked the bloke and he wanted to learn. So I basically charged him a lower rate and went through the job step by step teaching him at the same time. I enjoyed it but would only do that for a very select few as you know that concentration is key and you don't want to screw it up. Worst carbs I ever dealt with were on my old XZ550, they were downdraft and known to be an issue.
I'd have charged a higher rate, not a lower one!😂 I know what you mean. Some customers are easier to have around than others!
@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV lower rate, longer job worked out the same in the end. I believe an owner that can at least do the basics is a better customer than one that has zero idea, the zero idea types tend to Google it and say that famous " I watched it, doesn't take long". Then they wonder why you have a five hour labour bill due to all the rust nuts,bolts,gasket removal and testing. I expect you've had your moments with a few. Only ever sent one bloke away which wasn't bad tbh.
Like you, I can only recall telling someone to "take their bike and F...k off out of my workshop" just once in 30 years! It's not a bad record 😂
I wonder how the slide broke. Amazed that they charged him a grand and didn't even install new plugs.
A weird mistake I made some years ago was with a Yamaha 1600 v twin. Pulled into garage and filled up! When I pulled away it started misfiring. Got home and checked everything, ignition, carbs the lot. It turned out the oil pump drive had sheared and the hydraulic rappers had no oil to them.
I’ve had reasonable success (50%)draining the carbs ,pulling the diaphragms and hitting the pilot air drilling inside with a focused blast of compressed air. Then refilling and draining the carbs. Bit of a bodge but saves A LOT of time and aggro with yam V4s.
I'm not a mechanic and thought carbs straight away, No way would I of paid A grand ,would of told them to put the old ECU back on and left
Great video Jim! May I ask what chemical your using to soak the carbs in pre Ultrasonic bath please? Add: now seen previous carb video where questions have been asked. 😉😉
Sadly says it all …it’s not just main dealers but many so called techs these days are just fitters , if they can’t cure it by fitting new parts they are scratching their heads . To us old school techs this is basic diagnostic fault finding , a process of elimination. I worked in the marine /outboard industry as a independent and would often get engines after a customer had spent thousands at a dealer and still had faults , I don’t get that because A I would never charge a penny in parts or labour if I couldn’t fix a problem , it’s unethical and I think should be illegal , the customer pays for your knowledge not for u to throw parts at the problem. Any idiot can do that !
Very well said 👏 👍
Yeah it seems parts darts guys are all too common.
Stumbled across the channel, my cup of tea, very interesting and informative 👍🏻. Can't watch with the kids about though due to language 😕.
Great Video Jim. I could tell you wanted to go straight to the carbs. That's experience right there. But It's not the way we are taught. Follow the trouble shooting charts. Looking forward to part two.
Nice job, once again you’re gonna fix it 💪🏻🛠🏍️.
I bought a ‘97 V-Max from my uncle, was standing still for 7 years. Also had blocked pilot jets due to corrosion
Another great post, fast and accurate diagnosis which would of taken me the best part of a day of headscratching. probably the first time those carbs have ever been removed from the look of them,. 👍
Genius! Absolute pleasure to watch the manual diagnostics from an expert.
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It just goes yo show start with the basics and you don't go wrong.
It makes you wander why the dealership fitted a new ecu.
I have in 40+ years never seen a broken slide but loads of badly worn ones
Keep up the good work
What a silly mistake for a dealership to make. This is mechanics 101. Great video, Jim.
silly ? more a shilling issue
Their mechanics have probably never seen carbs before 😂
Main dealers are all about making money and hitting targets. Your much better going to an honest independent mechanic. This guy knows what he is doing so you will be fine. Plus it's my first time watching this channel and I have just subscribed to the channel. I love watching these kind of videos and hopefully one day I'll have enough knowledge to have a go at it myself on my own bike. However slow and steady wins the race 😊
Stealer Dealer
Great channel, really enjoying your back catalogue 👍🏻👍🏻🇬🇧
Great demonstration of tracing the fault. I'm currently working on a similar V MAX and it sounds the same at idle, but seems to run all right. They do have very lumpy cams...
oops now you are cleaning and swapping! doh i should wait to the end
Another great vlog & "How too" diag a misfire.
Agreed it's defo a carb issue, you follow the same methodical diagnostic path as I do.
I also agree Ultra-sonic cleaning is not the be all & end all of carb cleaning, it's just one process to use if required & I appreciate you won't share the carb cleaning solvent you use, but I've had awesome results with HOLTS EGR CLEANER, dissolves external & internal corrosion.
Look forward to the next vlog.
@13:00 you mention finding a good ground. Would it not be better to connect to the thread in the spark plug hole to also rule out a ground issue? ie an spare/old plug with the electrode shorted to the housing.
Jim you always prove your value ... hopefully you've provided enough evidence that the owner can claim a refund for that 1000 quid spent on an unnecessary ECU replacement. If they had just come straight to you they'd probably have saved themselves a good coupla-hundy. While a LOT often goes over my head, I love that you keep explaining the basic principals ... fuel, spark, compression, .... slowly but surely even I'm starting to learn! 🤣🤣Keep up the good work, mate.
"silent compressor" 🤣🤣. Me too...
great joc lad them carbs are mingin why the dealer didant strip them is a joke he should ask 4 a refund keep up the great work
Thank for the video! Great was to wake up here in Canada!
Good investigation work. The carbs do look ready for some attention! lol.
great to see these yesteryear bikes fixed.
New subscriber here. Interesting video, thanks for sharing. It's hard to find a shop mechanic that will work on old bikes, they need a diagnostic scanner to tell them what the problem is.
My dad had one of these and it was a monster.
if i didnt have a plug what i used to do was swap plugs around see if fault moves.
Hi just come across your channel absolutely brilliant ,thank you
Avoid dealers, They are clueless for sure. My brand new yamaha tenere 1200 was overfilled by 2 liters of oil. On its 500 service. Genuine Yamaha dealer in Kent. Engine has two drains plugs. Only one used.. Complete clowns and morons. No excuse for the hourly rate charged. Just don't trust any of them.
That's exactly why I've never taken a vehicle to a garage for service or repair in all my years, I started to learn myself back in the 80's.
Thankfully I've always been interested in how things work, don't mind buying tools and equipment, it's kind of my hobby.
As always, absolutely brilliant, we await with bated breath 😀😀😀
You are an excellent mechanic......
I lost my licence on one of those Charge battery , current draw into starter ,, earths coils and clean carbs haha haha ( ps I also have had bike with a "spark" but the plug was the problem ,,new plugs good call!)
hi i like your old school values trouble is main dealers want you to buy new all the time not interested in helping the old school people
With the state of them carbs , would you flush the fuel tank aswel ?, I get alof yam parts from KEDO Germany, they've been one of the cheapest places for carb parts for my tt600r belgarda which uses a similar vacuum carb, the dealer by looks of it hasn't done a proper investigation with the state if the carb rubbers !
Cracking vids with loads of info brillant content mate 👍 all whilst trying to make a quid much appreciated
Hi Jim, great video as always. May I ask which product you use for cleaning the carb, by soaking them? Thanks
fyi there are a lot of options for diafragms in ebay
No the posh way to test for spark is finger in the plug lead how high you jump means it’s ok🙈🙈
Dealers are bolt by numbers now. Even the AA mechanic told me they don't have a clue about carbs!
And another great video, good explanations of plan and attack!
Love your videos and work, even the cussing, working on old bikes is often frustrating 🙂👍🏻 Come on Jim, spit it out - would be good on a sweatshirt !
Surely it had two different faults initially. Perhaps it had an ignition fault too? One would hope so 😕
could have just stayed some fuel in the dead cylenders as it's running would tell u if it's no compression or spark
pretty sure if the name of the dealership was made known they would pay more attention in the future - so tired of them trying to rip ppl off every time
Looking forward to pt2
Really enjoying your videos. I can tell you are trying hard not to waffle😂
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Great video Jim!
Get yourself a cheap infrared heat gun they are great for finding a dead cylinder cheers.
They don’t work very well on chrome headers as the mirror effect confuses the reading. Works well on Matt exhausts.
So bike dealers are becoming like car dealers . Haven't a clue as computer won't tell the mech the fault . So long are the days gone were engineers mechs and elecs used to do the correct job like you are . Hats off to your spider sensor
great video.
surely your spider senses could have told you to temporarily swop the two verified running front plugs for the two rear plugs
ahh apologies, you caught up with yourself probably just as you say all the waffling
Great video Jim
You’re good with carbs, I know 😊
That ECU wouldn't have been cheap, i got one from Carmo Electronics for an 87 Vulcan 1500 a few years ago and it was about £400.
Once you’ve eliminated the possible what ever remains however improbable has to be the answer.
Logical fault finding and years of experience. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Jim. 👍🏼
From one of your other videos.
My wife now says squirrel when we’re chatting and my mind wanders off and I start talking about something else.
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How can you ask 1k and not fix it!
Nice video, very interesting 👍.
excellent by the way👍
Do any of your customers get refunds from the bodging and lying previous repair shops after your diagnosis and repairs ?
There's a reason they get called stealerships. They'd probably charge you a few hundred just to fit a lever.
Attention span, my attention span wanes at 20min. Good video all the same.
You are in good company 👍 20 minutes definitely seems to be the sweet spot for video length!
As been already said, lazy or uneducated bike techs. Wonder if the owner still has the original oem ecu? Would be interesting to plug back in and see if the bike runs properly. BTW, Great work mate.
That's a lot of faffing about for a "known" problem...
Please explain 🤔
Trust the guy got his money back from the parts fitting clown shop.
It’s gonna cost more than a grand to fix it
One of the worst bikes to own. Handle like a wheelbarrow
See Part 2 before anyone else embarrasses themselves.... Peace y'all
More delicious waffle. Dealer = disgrace
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20 minutes is OK I suppose but 120 minutes is better. People want to learn from you.
the correct pronunciation is "Something" and NOT "somethink".....Speak properly
🤔😂 Why don't you talk propper like what I do!
You forgot the full stop at the end......................
I don't think any one of you has been brung up properly
Found the dealer tech
First thing I'd have put new plugs in .
ECU ON CARBED BIKE ?🤔🧐