I'm a die hard Camaro fan, but I have more than enough respect for the Mustang. Great cars are going to be great cars, now just imagine a world where there could be team work between stang and maros!
I'm more of a mopar guy, I drive a dodge caravan, well actually my wife does, but she drops me off work, we carpool to save gas, but she is a better driver, so I sit in the back and watch dvds.
I agree 100%.Most novices only blot on an intake w/o upgrading exhuast and/or cam,etc. When you say head cylinder mods,if youre talking about after the factory,i.e.porting,combustion chamber grinding,etc.,there is only so much you can do. But with 4V heads,DOHC,etc,you can integrally design better breathing intake & exhaust,&design a cam profile as a single unit to make more power. The potential is there.
Did the mustang have traction problems at the start? It sounded like he spun the tires a bit and couldn't make up for the start that the chevy got. Also heard tire squeal at shift points further down the track.
@@pablo_farted5234 gen 1 coyotes were rated at 390 foot pounds of torque. Also the 2010 Camaros that had a automatic transmission with a L99 engine that came with 400 horsepower 410 torque. The 2010 Camaro with the manual transmission had a LS3 engine with 426 horsepower and 420 ft pounds of torque. For this year model the 2010 Camaro was just about 2-3 10ths of a second faster than the Gen 1 coyote mustang. That changed when the Gen 3 coyote came out with direct injection.
@@HeathsHobbyLobby this is false. The gen 1 coyote was faster than 5th gen camaros both manual both equal drivers. The coyote was rated 412 horse 390 torque but they put down 370-380 rwhp bone stock I think they were doing little more than advertised plus the mustang is over 200 lbs lighter vs a 5th gen. They can run mid to high 12 in good air and trap 110-112. This driver in the 5.0 just wasn't all that. If it is manual the driver has ALOT to do with the outcome. Smh
@@HeathsHobbyLobby everybody always points to torque like oh that 5.0 ain't gonna do shit it has lower torque who cares? When you take off the line you never see those rpms again when going wide open all out. It helps with launching but 390 torque from 5 liters all motor and the engine is from 10 years ago that aint too bad. Also the trans are geared very aggressive with the 5.0s so the less torque don't matter itll launch hard because of gearing and after you pass low rpms in 1st you'll never see those rpms again so there for hp is what matters when building a car in particular high end hp.
@@HeathsHobbyLobby 2010 camaro was only beating the 2010 3v by 2 or 3 tenths and they were just 315 horse. When the 5.0 dropped it wrecked the camaro stock for stock and mod for mod with equal drivers. Idk where you got your info I was actually in my upper 20s when the coyote first came out I remember it very well. Idk how old you are but you sound like someone just reading stats off the internet.
You still need more valve overlap@higher RPM bandwidths.Yes,low end need little,to no overlap.That is why streetrods with high lift, high duration cams lope@idle. But@hi RPM, the engine fires smooth because of efficient VE given by the cam. Independent Cam phasing is why a current LT/LS will not lope and run very smoothly all the way to redline. The overlap is continuously varied.
Impressed with that run by the Maro 12.9 is right on with the car mag testers. The driver of the Maro definitely knew how to launch it right. This is a driver's race. It can go either way on any given day. Nice camera work nice vid.
The Reaction time says it all....it almost passes the traps in the same time as the delay at the tree....We watched similar cars run all weekend and it was back and forth, drivers switching cars...they are solid, and it comes down to DRIVER not car!!!
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ramek lee You are screaming so loud that I can hear you from my house. And it's obvious that the Camaro won, its engine is 6.2. Try with a Shelby Mustang and see the results.
.It took like 3 different mustang to beat a Camaro zl1.You really gonna use a Shelby vs a ss.Its obvious that the Shelby is gonna win.Put a zl1 on it and it will win
ramek lee I'm a die hard Camaro fan, but the GT500 would smoke the ZL1 buddy. Camaro had its time from 93-02 and those years Camaro and Trans Ams would beat any 93-10 Mustangs, its just the Mustangs time to shine now. That new Coyote is no joke.
Only time I seen a Camaro beat a mustang is if had 18,000 in the motor it self. Had a guy try an race me in his ss an I had four people and a lot of pizza. We was weighted down a little the only time he could pass us is if I let off an I only had 82 gt with a 3 speed auto. Or he didn't couldn't drive worth a shit idk
Yes, but the Mustang is 250lbs lighter with its weight closer to the rear. I've seen plenty of drags with the two compared, the mustang usually passing the Camaro about 150yds in. I think the Camaro just had a superior driver this time.
Lop is from fixed LSA from an inflexible single cam.Street rods have hi RPM cams. With cam phasing, even w/overlap of hiRPMs, you will NOT overscavenge. I repeat, you will not overscavenge. Reason1: Mass of air @hi RPM will play a big part of preventing overscavenging. Reason2: Just like you said, Intake,Exhaust,Cam,&head must be treated as one unit. In exhaust,the manifold of header is a tuned length to give back pressure wave @ the right instant for the exhaust valve event.
It was. Unless you know nothing, it doesn't matter how loud the exhaust is doesn't make it faster. Listen to these Honda civic farting they're ass off and only have 120 hp.
Both drivers did a pretty good job in my opinion. Mustang had a reaction of 0.22, not horrible, the Camaro was 0.13. For those who don't know, you move the reaction time decimal one place to the left as seen on the tower (down track). During eliminations, the reaction time is not shown for obvious reasons.
I'm not talking about forced induction, I'm talking about NA. But even in forced induction,multi-valves offer more flow area potential than only 2V. And even in forced induction,more flow does open more potential.That's simply how VE works. Remember that air has mass&your compressor will have to work harder to move it through smaller passageways of only 2V.
@@youngrios just because it trapped 105 don't mean he can't drive. I went to a local test and tune in Bristol Tennessee month or so back da like 4500 which is pretty bad everything was trapping a solid 6-8 mph less than the mph the internet says they run in decent da. He could be running in bad da. There were modded newer lt1 camaeos there well driven trapping like 108 so go figure. Several bolt on early 5.0s were trapping in the 105 range. Yea at sea level or in negative da I've seen guys trap like 112 completely stock but it isnr uncommon to drop 6-8 mph when da is 4500 or more. Same with the et.
@@midnight347 in the background it says georgia's house of speed which is atlanta dragway, which is 700ft above sea level, so yeah the mustang driver can't drive, it sounded like he was shifting early.
And I would not say that valve size, flow area, and cam specs become too irrelevant during forced induction. With better flow, it does help even in it allows the compressor in that the compressor can provide less boost and still do the same as a compressor with more boost through more restrictive conditions. Sure, in forced induction, you want to minimize overlap to help eliminate overscavanging, but that is done by the cam profile, or better yet, with cam phasing.
Yes, as tested : "The 2013 revision also incorporates more efficient cooling ducts for the front brakes, slip-resistant seats, and a Track-Pack option that shaves over 200 pound in weight..." "...using 100 RON octane gas (96 octane using the U.S.' AKI ratings)."
I have owned Mustangs and I have owned Camaros. And this is coming for a Ford man but liter for liter the Mustang can't keep up with a Camaro. My Camaro SS would have ran circles around my Mustang GT any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Before I get anyone riled up. I'm comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges or as close as you can come. However, that being said. My Camaro as fast as it was gave problems all the time. I had none with my Mustang. This is why I'm a Ford man but If I was getting another budget supercar It would be Camaro hands down.
Ok the liter for liter part maybe I should not have said. But my point is that the GT that I had which was a 4.6 liter had no comparison to the Camaro I owned that had a 5.7 liter. And I have no doubt in my mind that the new Camaro SS or the soon to be released Z28 would hand the Mustang's ass back to them as long as the person behind the wheel knew what they where doing. . I'm really surprised to took this long for someone's panties to get so bunched up. And it's a good thing you can call someone a fucking moron with little balls and sit behind a computer screen. I would race your puny 5.0 if stock with my 2002 Camaro that had a 5.7 liter stock anytime if I still owned it and the result would be the same every time. And you would finish last.
Ace E. You can't compare the engines with liters 4.6 to 5.7 since the 4.6 is DOHC in the cobra motors. You are talking 4 cams, 2 timing chains, 32 valves! It's the amount of air that comes in and out of the motors is what counts. If you want to compare by liters then it will have to be 4.6 OHV compared to 5.7 OHV and that won't even be close.
Ace E. So here compare this one 94-95 SVT Cobra 5.0 OHV 240HP and 285 lb-ft tq since Ford didn't make a 4.6 OHV. But even with slightly higher number from 4.6 to 5.0 you can see Ford's OHV design is inferior to Chevy's OHV design - LS1 5.7 OHV 345HP and 350 lb-ft tq when the LS1 was first introduced in 97.
no shit^. no, your comparing liter for liter and liter for liter fords 5.4 eats alive chevy's 5.7. those chevy 5.0's where JUNK the mustangs walked all over those when they where the same displacement. thats like having ford put in a 6.8 and people sayings its fair to compare to chevys 5.7
The Ford 5.4 liter in the mustang is super charged and the 5.7 Chevys where not. A super charged 5.4 is going to have more horsepower output and of course be faster. Duh.........
"How is the the 2013 Nissan GT-R so quick? Partially thanks to the addition of even more power. The engine now generates 545 horsepower and 463 lb-ft of torque -- both going up by 15 from the 2012's 530 and 448 -- and produces beefier top end torque response right up to the 7000rpm redline. The 2013 revision also incorporates more efficient cooling ducts for the front brakes, slip-resistant seats, and a Track-Pack option that shaves over 200 pound in weight..."
I'm speaking about track runs. Yes, the GT500 beats the ZL1 in the quarter, but despite being as fast as it is the ZL1 chews the GT500 up in the corners and turns out better lap times.
I'm a Camaro owner but I think the mustang drivers just a shitty driver the Camaro times look about right maybe an exhaust upgrade or somthing small but they sould be about even if both drivers are equally matched most ss vs gt races stock for stock there usually even depending on driver
i do recall 2011 5.0 only having 315 hp and 2010 camaro having 420hp if both are stock thats a 100 hp diff dont get me wrong i love mustangs but even with the weight differences i think 100 hp diff is quite a bit
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@@MrTgif100 these fools flexin talkin shit when they cant afford a new camaro and much less a gt500, zl1 is a track car, a gt500 is a all around. On a track the camaro wins and in a line the gt500 does
I just wonder how long this classic head to head battle will continue....Mustang vs. Camaro. I hope forever! Love both cars...Long live American Muscle!!!
Camaro was and will be the coolest sports car!Its appearance is that something inexplicable,when you look at this car is inside all the feelings are mixed with admiration.
MrMakeme5000 That's not true a simple tune makes it over 300 horse power with over 21 pounds of boost. Might I add larger turbos. Simple example of Weight to h.p
Job Done Right I put those cars in the same category as the Chrysler crossfire. I drove one when I was looking for another convertible. I didn't try the V6 turbo because all of them I seen were 4 cylinder. Almost got a Gt/CS but decided on a RS/SS Ls3
proves nothing. My first time out in my bone stock 2012 track pack gt I ran 12.77@109 I believe the 60ft time was a 1.91 and it was a hot day out. this mustang need a better driver.
With independent cam phasing of DOHC, overlap can be changed. The L99 has cam phasing, but is stuck with a single inflexible lobe overlap. This is the superiority of DOHC over a single inflexible single cam
***** facts are a little off there, Camaro hasn't outsold the Mustang at all, The Mustang put the Camaro and Trans Ams in the grave in 02 because the Camaro wasn't selling up to par with the Mustang, But Camaro's are usually faster, other than these new pieces of shit, I used to be a Chevy fan, still have my 96 WS6, now that these new boats, I mean Camaro's are out, I'ma go with the 5.0 for my next car. BTW the Boss 302 will run with anything against it on a road coarse, thats what it was made for. Don't talk out of your ass.
I almost didn't see this scared little girl talking shit, because it appeared in my "everything else" notifications which I almost never look at. I'm not even sure what this is in reference to. But I'll just leave this here for the clueless chump. www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=633924 www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=633922 www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=633923 www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=633925 www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=633926 www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=633928 www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=633929 www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=633930 www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=633931 There ya go, bud. Keep talkin. :)
***** Whos talking shit? I wasn't. Didn't the Mustang already kill the Camaro once? < that was my point, I am well aware the new Camaro has outsold the new Mustangs. Have fun with your recalled pieces of shit.
Way to go back on your own comment, dipshit. You said it yourself: "Camaro hasn't outsold the Mustang at all." So now you're retracting that sentiment? Great argument skills, brother. Not sure why you're bringing up the 302 either. That's the best Mustang Ford has, I won't disagree, but there are at least two production Camaros that are faster. Also, Chevy already beat mustang at their own game. Since it's a one-trick pony (quarter miles), the 2012 COPO Camaro came along just to show you Ford blabbermouths that Chevy knows how to do that too, and they did it in 8.8 seconds. Show me a Mustang that can handle a corner nearly as good as every single fifth gen Camaro, and you'll have something. Otherwise, shut your mouth.
***** Maybe you've never heard of the GT500? Or the Cobra Jet (which by the way destroys the COPO) From 1967 (ill put it that way since The Mustang had a 3 year headstart) til now, more Mustangs have sold than Camaro's. I'm not really a Ford fan man, they've both had their moments. The 5.0 foxbody was faster than the 3rd Gen Camaros, The LT1s and LS1s owned the 90s. And now the new coyote motor has taken over. I'm a big fan of Camaro's, I don't like 5th gens.
Why do you keep talking about the classic muscle? Jesus christ. How is that relevant to the conversation in any way? That would explain why you misinterpreted me from wherever you heard me say the Camaro has outsold Mustang. I was never *ever* referring to the classics, and everyone knows Camaro took a long hiatus. And yes I've heard of the GT500. It's slower around a track than the BOSS. How is it I know more about your love affair than you do?
With independent cam phasing, you eliminate this compromise. How can you not see that the intake cam & exhaust cam can ve phased to virtually eliminate overlap when it's not needed? Too much overlap is not a necessary evil when you have independent cam phasing. And it helps meet stricter emissions, even eliminating the need for EGR & AIR in some cases, which means more MPG and more power.
Yes, that's the article I was find but, like I said, it's odd that it was posted way back in November 07, 2011. I'm fairly sure that was well before the 2013 model was available? Also, that car is purportedly 200lbs lighter it 3750 (with a 150lb driver) rather than 3950lb and running on 100 RON octane gas. 3750lb car with 545HP would run ~ 11.08. Given ideal conditions I could see it possible to pull a 10.8 out of a GTR with the Track-Pack,100 RON octane gas, and 3750lbs at ~ 580HP = ~10.85.
Ok I see all the chevy fan boys on here getting all excited about this SS beating a 5.0 so let me help you boys out a lil bit. 13.6 for a 5.0 is slow... beyond slow. A 3v 4.6 GT runs a 13.6 STOCK. My 2012 GT with nothing but a mail order tune and automatic transmission, full tank of gas, spare tire, jack and all ran a 12.6(uncorrected) on the stock 235 tires in 90 degree heat last summer. I see some of you chevy boys are claiming your SS will beat a mustang in the curves... hahahaha look at the skidpad pad numbers and look at who consistently is dominating at the events. Here is what I know, Ford made your precious lil camaro go bye bye once before and it'll happen again and the few camaros I have actually got to race me got their ass beat, most tuck tail and act like they don't hear my 5.0. Good job chevy! your 6.2 can barely even keep up with a stock 5.0! You have over 70 cubic inches on the ford and make a whopping 6 more horsepower. Oooooo. Don't worry though we have more than one former Camaro guy in our forums, our clubs, at our events and one day you will all see the light, ditch those archaic pushrods and jump on board with a real car company that doesn't take government handouts.
Like how the ls has more cubic inches but the 5.0 is bigger in size. 12.6 in the 1/4 huh...full tank of gas and everything....lol stop lying fan boy...someone is is making shit up. I don't any 5.0's running 12.6 especially fully loaded making about 365-370hp to the wheels. I like the 5.0 but come on dude...no need to lie son.
Ryan T Displacement/ liters mean nothing. The 6.2l is a pushrod 2 valve with only 1 cam, and yes pushrods need more liters to make more power. The 6.2l is also lighter and smaller than the 5.0. In fact the 5.0 has 4 cams and 32 valve. So it honestly sounds pretty sad that your huge 5.0 needs 3 more cams to squeeze more power out of it. Pushrods are also more reliable, which is why they still use them. So saying that the camaro has a bigger engine is incorrect. The 5.0 weighs more and is bigger and still produces 6 hp less than the 6.2. Sounds pretty sad for the 5.0 honestly.
The ZR1 that ran 10.6 was making stock power through the run. DA helps times a lot. I know that if I take my SS to that track where the ZR1 ran 10.6, I'll run 12.3s all day bone stock on stock tires. the GT-R that ran 10.87 was making 591 hp at the crank or 480 WHP. so the one that ran 10.79 was really making 500-510 WHP or 610-620 hp at crank. A 545 HP GT-R will run 11.1's all day. the track pack may be the only one that may pop a 10.9 stock.
That race should have been a little bit closer if the Camaro was stock, you can tell the camaro was running bolt on mods, especially the exhaust it was sounding pretty sweet
Same experience for me except the other way around. Lesson learned? My euro car still has navigation, butt warmers, and leather. Most domestic cars seem to be of rental car quality on the inside, you can't deny this.
what do you mean it doesn't matter what I say? I just said given this new info (which the source is a little fishy) that with the Track-Pack (-200lbs),100 RON octane gas, and favorable conditions it's possible for the 2013 GTR to run a 10.8. But it would require about ~ 580HP which, just as with the ZR1, the difference in rated power compared with what is required could easily be explained by favorable conditions.
Assuming 3950lbs (GTR curb weight+150lb driver) in order to run a 10.79 would require approx. 720-730HP. (The exact number I get is 726HP) Assuming 3,474lb (vette curb weight + 150lb driver) in order to run a 10.6 would require approx. 670-680hp (the exact number I get is 675HP) which is close to the rated HP of a ZR1 (638HP), only a 5.5% difference which could easily be explained by more favorable weather and or altitude then the standards GM used.
But intake&exhaust mods are way easier to do&design for than heads. This is why there are so many aftermarket options for intake&exhaust equipment. Sure you can port heads,but multi-valves open up so much more potential for intake,exhaust,&cam mods to take advantage of. And remember,in gas engines,valve overlap becomes critical once you are higher in RPMs. I seriously believe only 5.7L w/DOHC 4V&cam phasing can hit well above 500BHP in NA right from the factory
Both cars have there good points and bad. Insulting one over the other is so elementary. Both are beautiful and both are legendary appreciate each for what it is and enjoy.
Dynos that read different. 365 on a mustang may mean 340 on a dynojet. Etc.. Dynojets are the best types of dynos as most well-known tuners use them including AMS which made the 7 second street omega.
I drive a 2014 camaro 1LE and i raced a 2013 mustang 5.0 they are very fast and they pull hard because they are lighter other then that i had to redline the shit out of my gears to barley take him
Well given the fact it had a 7mph better trap speed here, and is quite a bit louder, I think it might have had a bit more than just that. Otherwise I agree with you.
The nice thing is they both have great drivetrains, suspensions & brakes. You really can't go wrong with either one.
I'm a die hard Camaro fan, but I have more than enough respect for the Mustang. Great cars are going to be great cars, now just imagine a world where there could be team work between stang and maros!
I totally agree..But, in this case the Stang got stung.
There was for a little w the 10 speed trans.
I'm a chevy guy, but at the end of the day they're both American muscle.
you drive a prius dude, get out of here
@@natymendez2463 he doesn't but ok?
@@natymendez2463 😭
@@natymendez2463 he drives a chevy equinox
I'm more of a mopar guy, I drive a dodge caravan, well actually my wife does, but she drops me off work, we carpool to save gas, but she is a better driver, so I sit in the back and watch dvds.
that camaro sounded like it had mods
it stock don't work :) mustang just ain't a good driver
Lol. You already know that you cannot hear each car distinctively enough to say one has mods or not. Nice attempt at damage control though..
@@drewinhou ehh you can def hear if you’re a car person each car has distinctive note
@@pablo_farted5234 2010 ss trapping 112 stock ? No its MODDED
@@pablo_farted5234 both have same speed and torque
Camaro all fuckin day!! Mustangs a bitch car
Rory McDonald's ford what a joke they have no good cars or strong trucks
a ford lover that finally understands where chevy lovers come from. thank you sir. have a good day
I agree 100%.Most novices only blot on an intake w/o upgrading exhuast and/or cam,etc.
When you say head cylinder mods,if youre talking about after the factory,i.e.porting,combustion chamber grinding,etc.,there is only so much you can do.
But with 4V heads,DOHC,etc,you can integrally design better breathing intake & exhaust,&design a cam profile as a single unit to make more power. The potential is there.
Did the mustang have traction problems at the start? It sounded like he spun the tires a bit and couldn't make up for the start that the chevy got.
Also heard tire squeal at shift points further down the track.
First vid i seen of camaro winning lol
cause the comaro had mods.
Also mustang had a bad start
FlaRe CreateZ actually there are plenty of videos of bolt on 5th gens pulling on 5.0s
Switchbladeakc come down to California and you will see camaro killing everyone
First vid you've seen then huh lol
Dude at the starting line had him reversing seconds before the start.... The hell man...
That don't make no difference. The guy had a chance to catch up but failed.
Nice thoughtful and insightful comeback.
What are the weight and HP numbers of both cars and I'd be happy to plug them in for a rough estimate (it assumes perfect traction and shifting).
Mustang needs a driver mod
Only mod is an LS mod
quit bitching
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he is probably on factory pirelli all seasons lol..
@@SK_727 looks to be the same on the Camaro.
@goodluck shhh quit bitching
damn media lied to us again. they said the mustang was faster . damnit!!!
I think there the same but mustang just a bad driver
@@pablo_farted5234 gen 1 coyotes were rated at 390 foot pounds of torque.
Also the 2010 Camaros that had a automatic transmission with a L99 engine that came with 400 horsepower 410 torque. The 2010 Camaro with the manual transmission had a LS3 engine with 426 horsepower and 420 ft pounds of torque. For this year model the 2010 Camaro was just about 2-3 10ths of a second faster than the Gen 1 coyote mustang.
That changed when the Gen 3 coyote came out with direct injection.
@@HeathsHobbyLobby this is false. The gen 1 coyote was faster than 5th gen camaros both manual both equal drivers. The coyote was rated 412 horse 390 torque but they put down 370-380 rwhp bone stock I think they were doing little more than advertised plus the mustang is over 200 lbs lighter vs a 5th gen. They can run mid to high 12 in good air and trap 110-112. This driver in the 5.0 just wasn't all that. If it is manual the driver has ALOT to do with the outcome. Smh
@@HeathsHobbyLobby everybody always points to torque like oh that 5.0 ain't gonna do shit it has lower torque who cares? When you take off the line you never see those rpms again when going wide open all out. It helps with launching but 390 torque from 5 liters all motor and the engine is from 10 years ago that aint too bad. Also the trans are geared very aggressive with the 5.0s so the less torque don't matter itll launch hard because of gearing and after you pass low rpms in 1st you'll never see those rpms again so there for hp is what matters when building a car in particular high end hp.
@@HeathsHobbyLobby 2010 camaro was only beating the 2010 3v by 2 or 3 tenths and they were just 315 horse. When the 5.0 dropped it wrecked the camaro stock for stock and mod for mod with equal drivers. Idk where you got your info I was actually in my upper 20s when the coyote first came out I remember it very well. Idk how old you are but you sound like someone just reading stats off the internet.
You still need more valve overlap@higher RPM bandwidths.Yes,low end need little,to no overlap.That is why streetrods with high lift, high duration cams lope@idle. But@hi RPM, the engine fires smooth because of efficient VE given by the cam.
Independent Cam phasing is why a current LT/LS will not lope and run very smoothly all the way to redline. The overlap is continuously varied.
True, some friends of ours were at the track all last weekend.. and brand new GT's and some 2011's were running all day at 12.4 or 12.6 stock.
Impressed with that run by the Maro 12.9 is right on with the car mag testers. The driver of the Maro definitely knew how to launch it right. This is a driver's race. It can go either way on any given day. Nice camera work nice vid.
Chevrolet holds special place in my heart
The 1.39, and 2.22 are those the reaction times ???
The Reaction time says it all....it almost passes the traps in the same time as the delay at the tree....We watched similar cars run all weekend and it was back and forth, drivers switching cars...they are solid, and it comes down to DRIVER not car!!!
a mustang in its natural habitat, last
dltafrc17 wow you got burned that was lit fam bump yolo tho cash me outside do you even lift beast mode im dead bae when no chill yass turnt salvage hold my beer who did this gucci relationship goals shut up and take my money so satisfying gang gang cause swag on fleek dab something like this where they at doe goat legend are you mad bro squad ymcmb tgod come at me bro all in 1
dltafrc17 nah just driver sucks
Yeah that driver just sucks. These new 5.0's having been smocking camaro's since they where available.
mustang should have won, the camaro is heavier than the stang. but the driver sucks at launches and shifting lol.
lol CAMAROS ARE BETTER THAN MUSTANGS
ramek lee You are screaming so loud that I can hear you from my house. And it's obvious that the Camaro won, its engine is 6.2. Try with a Shelby Mustang and see the results.
.It took like 3 different mustang to beat a Camaro zl1.You really gonna use a Shelby vs a ss.Its obvious that the Shelby is gonna win.Put a zl1 on it and it will win
ramek lee I'm a die hard Camaro fan, but the GT500 would smoke the ZL1 buddy. Camaro had its time from 93-02 and those years Camaro and Trans Ams would beat any 93-10 Mustangs, its just the Mustangs time to shine now. That new Coyote is no joke.
DraikonZ3 Yeah it seems all the guys that own 10 Mustangs are like i could have waited a year for the coyote!
True... I have seen them run all day in the high 12's Bone stock.
seems like there was trouble for cars connecting with the road?
Holy shit. A Camaro finally beat a Mustang. Hell must have froze over.
they always win. shitstangs are slow as fuck
Only time I seen a Camaro beat a mustang is if had 18,000 in the motor it self. Had a guy try an race me in his ss an I had four people and a lot of pizza. We was weighted down a little the only time he could pass us is if I let off an I only had 82 gt with a 3 speed auto. Or he didn't couldn't drive worth a shit idk
WarmSoftKitty lap times? the camaro smokes the Mustang on lap times? now on the drag strip the Mustang does a little better.
StandardRacing what planet are u from dude lol u need to be rich to drive a ford cost twice as much to go just as fast
Camaro always beats the Mustang dear
The pony driver fucked up his launch @0:36
are u still alive ?
Did they both have TC on? I was impressed that the mustang drive could keep his car straight!
Just watched both motor trend and car and driver and you're correct. I'm not sure where I got the idea that the ZL1 was putting out better times.
A fisher price camaro would of still slapped that mustang
Yes, but the Mustang is 250lbs lighter with its weight closer to the rear. I've seen plenty of drags with the two compared, the mustang usually passing the Camaro about 150yds in. I think the Camaro just had a superior driver this time.
Lop is from fixed LSA from an inflexible single cam.Street rods have hi RPM cams.
With cam phasing, even w/overlap of hiRPMs, you will NOT overscavenge. I repeat, you will not overscavenge.
Reason1: Mass of air @hi RPM will play a big part of preventing overscavenging.
Reason2: Just like you said, Intake,Exhaust,Cam,&head must be treated as one unit. In exhaust,the manifold of header is a tuned length to give back pressure wave @ the right instant for the exhaust valve event.
Love them both.
Was the mustang stock? we can hear the camaro wasnt.
It was. Unless you know nothing, it doesn't matter how loud the exhaust is doesn't make it faster. Listen to these Honda civic farting they're ass off and only have 120 hp.
+AlbieriPlays you could hear cams on the camaro
+StaySidewayzz 21 yeah that too
Both drivers did a pretty good job in my opinion. Mustang had a reaction of 0.22, not horrible, the Camaro was 0.13. For those who don't know, you move the reaction time decimal one place to the left as seen on the tower (down track). During eliminations, the reaction time is not shown for obvious reasons.
I'm not talking about forced induction, I'm talking about NA.
But even in forced induction,multi-valves offer more flow area potential than only 2V.
And even in forced induction,more flow does open more potential.That's simply how VE works. Remember that air has mass&your compressor will have to work harder to move it through smaller passageways of only 2V.
stock vs stock or equal mods vs equal mods Chevy usually always wins on the race track whether its straight or circle
It's funny that camaro fan boys act so tough when they find a video of it beating a mustang, yet in all official tests, the mustang wins.
These comments.. You fanboys really ruin car culture.
couldnt have said it better man
"u like mustangs, ur a big piece of shit dude"
Also, There's no video on the article. There is one on the Comments, but the article it self there isn't.
I like both! i own CTS-V i want a new ford gt500 but most likely will end up with dodge viper ;)
closer than i thought it would be - good race
Wtf the 5.0 cannot drive he trapped 105 lmao
@@youngrios just because it trapped 105 don't mean he can't drive. I went to a local test and tune in Bristol Tennessee month or so back da like 4500 which is pretty bad everything was trapping a solid 6-8 mph less than the mph the internet says they run in decent da. He could be running in bad da. There were modded newer lt1 camaeos there well driven trapping like 108 so go figure. Several bolt on early 5.0s were trapping in the 105 range. Yea at sea level or in negative da I've seen guys trap like 112 completely stock but it isnr uncommon to drop 6-8 mph when da is 4500 or more. Same with the et.
@@midnight347 in the background it says georgia's house of speed which is atlanta dragway, which is 700ft above sea level, so yeah the mustang driver can't drive, it sounded like he was shifting early.
So that 5.0 V8 needs 4 cams and 32 valves to make 400 hp? XD That's really cute. Awww wook at the wittle Fowd engeene.
MrLeFunker chevy all those liters no hp
Uh uh uh cough cough 454 7.4 450hp 500lbs of torque still no ford engine that beats it
And I would not say that valve size, flow area, and cam specs become too irrelevant during forced induction. With better flow, it does help even in it allows the compressor in that the compressor can provide less boost and still do the same as a compressor with more boost through more restrictive conditions.
Sure, in forced induction, you want to minimize overlap to help eliminate overscavanging, but that is done by the cam profile, or better yet, with cam phasing.
Yes, as tested : "The 2013 revision also incorporates more efficient cooling ducts for the front brakes, slip-resistant seats, and a Track-Pack option that shaves over 200 pound in weight..."
"...using 100 RON octane gas (96 octane using the U.S.' AKI ratings)."
well im not the best driver but the mustang driver fk it at the beginning....
I have owned Mustangs and I have owned Camaros. And this is coming for a Ford man but liter for liter the Mustang can't keep up with a Camaro. My Camaro SS would have ran circles around my Mustang GT any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Before I get anyone riled up. I'm comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges or as close as you can come. However, that being said. My Camaro as fast as it was gave problems all the time. I had none with my Mustang. This is why I'm a Ford man but If I was getting another budget supercar It would be Camaro hands down.
Ok the liter for liter part maybe I should not have said. But my point is that the GT that I had which was a 4.6 liter had no comparison to the Camaro I owned that had a 5.7 liter. And I have no doubt in my mind that the new Camaro SS or the soon to be released Z28 would hand the Mustang's ass back to them as long as the person behind the wheel knew what they where doing. . I'm really surprised to took this long for someone's panties to get so bunched up. And it's a good thing you can call someone a fucking moron with little balls and sit behind a computer screen. I would race your puny 5.0 if stock with my 2002 Camaro that had a 5.7 liter stock anytime if I still owned it and the result would be the same every time. And you would finish last.
Ace E. You can't compare the engines with liters 4.6 to 5.7 since the 4.6 is DOHC in the cobra motors. You are talking 4 cams, 2 timing chains, 32 valves! It's the amount of air that comes in and out of the motors is what counts. If you want to compare by liters then it will have to be 4.6 OHV compared to 5.7 OHV and that won't even be close.
Ace E.
So here compare this one 94-95 SVT Cobra 5.0 OHV 240HP and 285 lb-ft tq since Ford didn't make a 4.6 OHV. But even with slightly higher number from 4.6 to 5.0 you can see Ford's OHV design is inferior to Chevy's OHV design - LS1 5.7 OHV 345HP and 350 lb-ft tq when the LS1 was first introduced in 97.
no shit^. no, your comparing liter for liter and liter for liter fords 5.4 eats alive chevy's 5.7. those chevy 5.0's where JUNK the mustangs walked all over those when they where the same displacement. thats like having ford put in a 6.8 and people sayings its fair to compare to chevys 5.7
The Ford 5.4 liter in the mustang is super charged and the 5.7 Chevys where not. A super charged 5.4 is going to have more horsepower output and of course be faster. Duh.........
"How is the the 2013 Nissan GT-R so quick? Partially thanks to the addition of even more power. The engine now generates 545 horsepower and 463 lb-ft of torque -- both going up by 15 from the 2012's 530 and 448 -- and produces beefier top end torque response right up to the 7000rpm redline. The 2013 revision also incorporates more efficient cooling ducts for the front brakes, slip-resistant seats, and a Track-Pack option that shaves over 200 pound in weight..."
I'm speaking about track runs. Yes, the GT500 beats the ZL1 in the quarter, but despite being as fast as it is the ZL1 chews the GT500 up in the corners and turns out better lap times.
I'm a Camaro owner but I think the mustang drivers just a shitty driver the Camaro times look about right maybe an exhaust upgrade or somthing small but they sould be about even if both drivers are equally matched most ss vs gt races stock for stock there usually even depending on driver
i do recall 2011 5.0 only having 315 hp and 2010 camaro having 420hp if both are stock thats a 100 hp diff
dont get me wrong i love mustangs but even with the weight differences i think 100 hp diff is quite a bit
+James Olivas 2011 5.0 is 420hp. The 2010 with the 4.6 is only 310.
+James Olivas they're 412hp, the 2013+14 are 420. Not that it's really any difference lol
+1fastmustang you're all stupid
Finally a Chevy owner with common sense...u rock dude
I've owned a camaro and it's definately not as fast as the new 5.0.
i bet the camaro zl1 will dog it
no shit its supercharged.. gt500 is in the same class as your zl1 why dont you challenge it?
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@@MrTgif100 these fools flexin talkin shit when they cant afford a new camaro and much less a gt500, zl1 is a track car, a gt500 is a all around. On a track the camaro wins and in a line the gt500 does
I love mustangs, matter of fact I own two. But like others have said, you just dont see that many camaros, atleast around here lol.
I just wonder how long this classic head to head battle will continue....Mustang vs. Camaro. I hope forever! Love both cars...Long live American Muscle!!!
Camaro was and will be the coolest sports car!Its appearance is that something inexplicable,when you look at this car is inside all the feelings are mixed with admiration.
Where is holiday? Seems in your post it's a place but I can't find any place named holiday
It's on twitter. just go on his name and you're there.
the "multiple" videos of the GT-R running 10s are by the same owners.
My solstice gxp would murder both cars. But I can't hate on GM
i used to have a grand prix gxp that could beat the o6 mustang gt like the mustang was standing still lol
+Job Done Right lol I would hope you wouldn't hate on GM since Pontiac is GM haha
+Job Done Right They make so many parts to fix up the Camaro and the Mustang. The SKY and Solstice basically have nothing going for them.
MrMakeme5000 That's not true a simple tune makes it over 300 horse power with over 21 pounds of boost. Might I add larger turbos. Simple example of Weight to h.p
Job Done Right I put those cars in the same category as the Chrysler crossfire. I drove one when I was looking for another convertible. I didn't try the V6 turbo because all of them I seen were 4 cylinder. Almost got a Gt/CS but decided on a RS/SS Ls3
That Mustang needs a new driver as it should have smashed that POS Camaro. Chevy builds low quality junk.
Cool race!
It's all good. We all love cars !!!
Camaro killed the gay mustang :)
Mustang is best
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Mustang killed gay Camaro
Camaro; Cheap knock off of a Mustang. They don't call them Pony cars for nothing.
Damn mustang fanboys always gotta an excuse
Seeing as this driver was absolutely terrible. It's a legit excuse. A 06 GT conv. Runs faster times than that shitty driver.
xVate fuck u the mustang is a piece of shit
Actually thats Chevy
IS that in Cayuga?
got a few upgrades now lol their fun to play with now
that proves that camaros are better
proves nothing. My first time out in my bone stock 2012 track pack gt I ran 12.77@109 I believe the 60ft time was a 1.91 and it was a hot day out. this mustang need a better driver.
You put a non racing mustang up against a racing Camaro and expect the mustang to win. Shit ford would rock Chevy any day that ends with y
The SS is actually in the same class as the GT, both have V8s. The real racing camaro is the ZL1.
ChristopherTheDino I think what he means is that the Camaro is modded. Sounds like it's cammed which does give it a huge edge over the 5.0.
Cordell McDowell they didn't have 5.0 in 2010 just 4.8
+Michael this is a 2011 GT, which has the 5.0
@@michaelfutlz8439 4.6 not 4.8 lmao
With independent cam phasing of DOHC, overlap can be changed.
The L99 has cam phasing, but is stuck with a single inflexible lobe overlap.
This is the superiority of DOHC over a single inflexible single cam
who won?
My camaro ss smashes on 5.0's anyday
***** facts are a little off there, Camaro hasn't outsold the Mustang at all, The Mustang put the Camaro and Trans Ams in the grave in 02 because the Camaro wasn't selling up to par with the Mustang, But Camaro's are usually faster, other than these new pieces of shit, I used to be a Chevy fan, still have my 96 WS6, now that these new boats, I mean Camaro's are out, I'ma go with the 5.0 for my next car. BTW the Boss 302 will run with anything against it on a road coarse, thats what it was made for. Don't talk out of your ass.
I almost didn't see this scared little girl talking shit, because it appeared in my "everything else" notifications which I almost never look at. I'm not even sure what this is in reference to.
But I'll just leave this here for the clueless chump.
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There ya go, bud. Keep talkin. :)
***** Whos talking shit? I wasn't. Didn't the Mustang already kill the Camaro once? < that was my point, I am well aware the new Camaro has outsold the new Mustangs. Have fun with your recalled pieces of shit.
Way to go back on your own comment, dipshit. You said it yourself: "Camaro hasn't outsold the Mustang at all." So now you're retracting that sentiment? Great argument skills, brother.
Not sure why you're bringing up the 302 either. That's the best Mustang Ford has, I won't disagree, but there are at least two production Camaros that are faster.
Also, Chevy already beat mustang at their own game. Since it's a one-trick pony (quarter miles), the 2012 COPO Camaro came along just to show you Ford blabbermouths that Chevy knows how to do that too, and they did it in 8.8 seconds. Show me a Mustang that can handle a corner nearly as good as every single fifth gen Camaro, and you'll have something. Otherwise, shut your mouth.
***** Maybe you've never heard of the GT500? Or the Cobra Jet (which by the way destroys the COPO) From 1967 (ill put it that way since The Mustang had a 3 year headstart) til now, more Mustangs have sold than Camaro's. I'm not really a Ford fan man, they've both had their moments. The 5.0 foxbody was faster than the 3rd Gen Camaros, The LT1s and LS1s owned the 90s. And now the new coyote motor has taken over. I'm a big fan of Camaro's, I don't like 5th gens.
Why do you keep talking about the classic muscle? Jesus christ. How is that relevant to the conversation in any way? That would explain why you misinterpreted me from wherever you heard me say the Camaro has outsold Mustang. I was never *ever* referring to the classics, and everyone knows Camaro took a long hiatus. And yes I've heard of the GT500. It's slower around a track than the BOSS. How is it I know more about your love affair than you do?
With independent cam phasing, you eliminate this compromise.
How can you not see that the intake cam & exhaust cam can ve phased to virtually eliminate overlap when it's not needed?
Too much overlap is not a necessary evil when you have independent cam phasing. And it helps meet stricter emissions, even eliminating the need for EGR & AIR in some cases, which means more MPG and more power.
My bud has a 2012 SS. Even under WOT his car doesn't sound anywhere CLOSE to that mean. One of those two cars was rockin' some exhaust modifications.
Ford. Fix Or Repair Daily
Chevy camaro is a Pussy car
Patrick Thornton still outsells the mustang
@@KillerKyle94 wait what? Since when?
@@patrickthornton2539 then why are so many girls driving mustangs?😀
Fuck you
Of course that slowmaro won it has a cam
Jesus Jesus no it doesn't lol 5.0 needs a driver mod but it shoulda been closer
Yes, that's the article I was find but, like I said, it's odd that it was posted way back in November 07, 2011. I'm fairly sure that was well before the 2013 model was available?
Also, that car is purportedly 200lbs lighter it 3750 (with a 150lb driver) rather than 3950lb and running on 100 RON octane gas.
3750lb car with 545HP would run ~ 11.08.
Given ideal conditions I could see it possible to pull a 10.8 out of a GTR with the Track-Pack,100 RON octane gas, and 3750lbs at ~ 580HP = ~10.85.
Guys please.If we wanted to see which car is faster use the best form of each car. Shelby GT500 VS HPE 650
Ok I see all the chevy fan boys on here getting all excited about this SS beating a 5.0 so let me help you boys out a lil bit. 13.6 for a 5.0 is slow... beyond slow. A 3v 4.6 GT runs a 13.6 STOCK. My 2012 GT with nothing but a mail order tune and automatic transmission, full tank of gas, spare tire, jack and all ran a 12.6(uncorrected) on the stock 235 tires in 90 degree heat last summer. I see some of you chevy boys are claiming your SS will beat a mustang in the curves... hahahaha look at the skidpad pad numbers and look at who consistently is dominating at the events. Here is what I know, Ford made your precious lil camaro go bye bye once before and it'll happen again and the few camaros I have actually got to race me got their ass beat, most tuck tail and act like they don't hear my 5.0. Good job chevy! your 6.2 can barely even keep up with a stock 5.0! You have over 70 cubic inches on the ford and make a whopping 6 more horsepower. Oooooo. Don't worry though we have more than one former Camaro guy in our forums, our clubs, at our events and one day you will all see the light, ditch those archaic pushrods and jump on board with a real car company that doesn't take government handouts.
god damn right. i do pretty good in the 1/8. 8.52 is my fastest on 255 nitto invo tires.
Like how the ls has more cubic inches but the 5.0 is bigger in size. 12.6 in the 1/4 huh...full tank of gas and everything....lol stop lying fan boy...someone is is making shit up. I don't any 5.0's running 12.6 especially fully loaded making about 365-370hp to the wheels. I like the 5.0 but come on dude...no need to lie son.
Ryan T Displacement/ liters mean nothing. The 6.2l is a pushrod 2 valve with only 1 cam, and yes pushrods need more liters to make more power. The 6.2l is also lighter and smaller than the 5.0. In fact the 5.0 has 4 cams and 32 valve. So it honestly sounds pretty sad that your huge 5.0 needs 3 more cams to squeeze more power out of it. Pushrods are also more reliable, which is why they still use them. So saying that the camaro has a bigger engine is incorrect. The 5.0 weighs more and is bigger and still produces 6 hp less than the 6.2. Sounds pretty sad for the 5.0 honestly.
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Displacement does have a lot to do with it, but it's comparing Apples to Oranges if you're not comparing pushrods to pushrods and DOHC to DOHC lol
There about evenly matched just depends on the driver. But if I want a car for roads and strip it would be a roush stage3 mustang
"Me and My Crew Busting a Battery" lol you sit down skinny man!!
Driver, or the car, a win is a win
The ZR1 that ran 10.6 was making stock power through the run. DA helps times a lot. I know that if I take my SS to that track where the ZR1 ran 10.6, I'll run 12.3s all day bone stock on stock tires.
the GT-R that ran 10.87 was making 591 hp at the crank or 480 WHP. so the one that ran 10.79 was really making 500-510 WHP or 610-620 hp at crank. A 545 HP GT-R will run 11.1's all day. the track pack may be the only one that may pop a 10.9 stock.
That race should have been a little bit closer if the Camaro was stock, you can tell the camaro was running bolt on mods, especially the exhaust it was sounding pretty sweet
Same experience for me except the other way around. Lesson learned? My euro car still has navigation, butt warmers, and leather. Most domestic cars seem to be of rental car quality on the inside, you can't deny this.
what do you mean it doesn't matter what I say?
I just said given this new info (which the source is a little fishy) that with the Track-Pack (-200lbs),100 RON octane gas, and favorable conditions it's possible for the 2013 GTR to run a 10.8.
But it would require about ~ 580HP which, just as with the ZR1, the difference in rated power compared with what is required could easily be explained by favorable conditions.
Assuming 3950lbs (GTR curb weight+150lb driver) in order to run a 10.79 would require approx. 720-730HP. (The exact number I get is 726HP)
Assuming 3,474lb (vette curb weight + 150lb driver) in order to run a 10.6 would require approx. 670-680hp (the exact number I get is 675HP) which is close to the rated HP of a ZR1 (638HP), only a 5.5% difference which could easily be explained by more favorable weather and or altitude then the standards GM used.
I'm running only a K&N C.A.I and a Trinity1000 tuner I'm happy with it.
CUAL ES EL CARRO MAS VELOZ?
Long live V8 naturally aspirated American muscle - now I need to drive one with Trooper or Saga wailing on the stereo!
But intake&exhaust mods are way easier to do&design for than heads.
This is why there are so many aftermarket options for intake&exhaust equipment.
Sure you can port heads,but multi-valves open up so much more potential for intake,exhaust,&cam mods to take advantage of.
And remember,in gas engines,valve overlap becomes critical once you are higher in RPMs.
I seriously believe only 5.7L w/DOHC 4V&cam phasing can hit well above 500BHP in NA right from the factory
Both cars have there good points and bad. Insulting one over the other is so elementary. Both are beautiful and both are legendary appreciate each for what it is and enjoy.
Dynos that read different. 365 on a mustang may mean 340 on a dynojet. Etc..
Dynojets are the best types of dynos as most well-known tuners use them including AMS which made the 7 second street omega.
Good race!
I drive a 2014 camaro 1LE and i raced a 2013 mustang 5.0 they are very fast and they pull hard because they are lighter other then that i had to redline the shit out of my gears to barley take him
Really slow times considering a 3k DSM with 5k in mods will do 10's.
it would be interesting to see drivers switch cars
Well given the fact it had a 7mph better trap speed here, and is quite a bit louder, I think it might have had a bit more than just that. Otherwise I agree with you.
Pretty close race. Anyway, I prefer mustangs over camaros, but I wouldn't mind having either one of those cars in my driveway.
Every real review between the two cars has the Mustang on top.
you do not you cant see crap out the rear window right?