International Court of Justice: Arguments heard over Russia’s genocide claims
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- čas přidán 17. 09. 2023
- Judges at the International Court of Justice are hearing arguments from Russia and Ukraine about Moscow's claims that it launched its invasion to prevent genocide.
Ukraine brought the case to the United Nations' highest court, days after Russia invaded last year.
Kyiv accuses Moscow of abusing international law by falsely alleging genocide in eastern Ukraine.
Russia wants the case to be thrown out, and objects to the court's jurisdiction.
Geoffrey Nice joins us from Canterbury in the United Kingdom.
He is Emiritus Gresham Professor of Law and the Former Lead Prosecutor of Slobodan Milosevic for the United Nations at the International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia.
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Bring those who waged war on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya to book 📚📖.
The UN and its justice ⚖️♎ system are toothless
You would need to have capable leadership to pursue that in Iraq Afghanistan and Libya.
SOVEREIGN Iraq/Afghanistan yep.
Me
Lebanon's
Palestinian/Syria's
YEMENI
AFRICA to kashmiri/xinjiang etc to SOUTH AMERICA too.
Native's America to ABORIGINAL too.
ARCTIC/Antarctic
Remember Hiroshima Nagasaki VIETNAM etc to NI too &, injustice Marches on.
Endlessly HYPOCRISY or laughing SHEKELS of the world's..
Thanks for the good work!
Where was icc when libya,iraq,afganistan,yemen, syria etc etc were attacked?
Asking ICC to look at that, is like asking a dog not to lick it's crotch.
That armies, states have to pay as well, but we live in a inequal world so, I don't think that something will happen . All those big countries have to pay and get a punishment for crimes against humanity and genocide.
Two questions for you: Are those countries members of the ICC? Is this video about the ICC?
Here is an apple, it looks like an orange, it tastes like an orange, but promise you it's an apple
In Satan's arms.
Russia does not recognise the international criminal court. They stated that, so there opinion is irrelevant.
I invite Putler to visit any of the ICC countries so we'll see how irrelevant it is.
@Fritz Raakeдумай что пишешь, Украинский суд тоже приглашал Шойгу......
@Fritz Raake Your world soon will be irrelevant!!
You can't judge someone if they are not recognizing your position as a judge
''Unlimited power in the hands of limited men always leads to cruelty.''
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Author of A Gulag Archipelago
When Russia denies it, it's usually true
quand l ukraine nie c est toujours vrai
but it's not thou
Just like America and British
sounds more like US to me
Exactly.
These so called mainstream western experts are so funny in a way that they are all paid to repeat the same thing over and over again. Not allowed to question or critically think or able to debate about American exceptionalism. Even the trolls think similarly, mindless.!
And you are.....?
During learning if you remember you always see a teacher enter a class order one of the students to stand up and beat him. No one can ask a teacher why he beat him. All-in-all the US and ICC like that whatever US did ICC it is not authority to ask US.
''Those who can make you believe absurdities (Putin/Stalin) can make you commit atrocities.''
Voltaire
i like how this quote on its own and in this context can be ambiguous enough for even pootie drones to like without needing to question themselves.
Genocide : crime pour motif d'ethnicité, religion, langue,...le nombre ne fait pas la qualification du crime, mais la motivation. Or l'Etat Ukrainien les avait permis, ensuite amnistié et engagé les organisations génocidaires , maintenant leurs structures, au sein des troupes du ministère de l'intérieur. Même le chef du service des renseignement militaire , le Général Budanov, a, en matière, un passé pas très recommendable... Au point qu'on se demande pourquoi celui-ci n'est pas sous le coup d'un mandat d'arrêt du CPI ( mais pour la ^période post-maidan ). Or, encore candidat pour la liste d'union de l'ultra-droite lors des dernières élections... il ne semble pas trop évolué d'avis. Du coup, sa fonction pose problème. Son discours auprès des juifs ne veut rien dire : il vociférait contre Polonais, Juifs, Russes,...quand Kolomoisky le soutenait... alors... Reste à savoir, qui est comédien, et qui sait qui n'est que comédien. Là , je n'ai pas de réponse. Mais sa milice avait tué des
"Ukraine insists no genocide has ocurred....so..was no genocide"
What I hear from these two talking heads is extreme BIAS against Russia: by default and by definition therefore, "justice" is not even on the aganda.
How about sanctioning UKUSA in this kangaroo concoction and maybe establishing a few "principles" of judicial process before agreeing a biased conclusion against Russia???
The overwhelming amоunt of approving and cheering соmments by ordinary Russians in response to videos about the atrocities committed against civilians and prisoners of war in Ukraine were equally as shocking to Ukrainians as the war itself.
We somehow became accustomed to the war, but the realization of who we have been living alongside all this time without even knowing it is still horrifying.
Those barbaric creatures referred to themselves as our brоthеrs.
Just imagine what they would do to you, who they саІІ their enemies, if given the chance.
Engaging in negotiations with Russia is lіkе negotiating with ЕbоІа vіrus. That's why any peace agreement lacking a clear victory for Ukraine is nothing but a temporary сеаsеfire.
кто прочитал этот комментарий посмотрите видео что делал украинский " Азов" в городе Мариуполь!
dont worry about any ceasefires sbu bot, your paymasters will persecute this war to the last hohol - one way or another🤣
The Odessa massacre was also filmed and well documented with hundreds of witnesses, when will there be a fair trial?
Bot comment Lol
All you folks quoting dead men...
"You do not have to quote great men to prove you are one." -Abigail Adams
''Russia is a riddle wrapped in mystery inside an enigmatic enema bag.''
Sir Winston Churchill
Churchill was a fool!
If this court court was born to melt equal justice to all nation then UK and US over Iraq and Libya,
I am glad that Russia finally acted, to prevent genocide in the Donbass.
more Russian speakers in Donbas have died in the last year and a half under Russian occupation than in the last ten years of insurgency combined. Russia has done a better job of "ethnic cleansing" than the most zealous Ukrainian nationalists could have dreamed of.
it's very easy to prevent things when they aren't happening. No such "genocide" occurred.
At this point unconditional surrender is the only practical solution for Ukraine. Hitler's Germany also refused to admit defeat until Hitler killed himself, then Keitel signed unconditional surrender. The war is already lost by Ukraine. Zelenskyy offensive is going nowhere . Meanwhile new Ukrainian defense minister Rustem Umierov wants to officially enlist 16-year-olds, obviously Zelenskyy offensive was so successful that even official forced conscription of disabled and people with AIDS and hepatitis wasn't enough. WaPo is reporting that yet another Zelenskyy debacle caused bitter recriminations on Capitol Hill: "The bleak outlook, briefed to some Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill, has already prompted a blame game inside closed-door meetings" (WaPo article "U.S. intelligence says Ukraine will fail to meet offensive’s key goal"). Ukrainian army in its current dismal state proved to be completely impotent. It's the result of a successful implementation of an attrition strategy.
Yeah, that's what I expect Putler to do.
Does he have the guts though or will his poor health make the decision for him?
Glory to Ukraine!
@Fritz Raake You are still in a state of denial.
@Joshua Paultell someone else and get the meds you so desperately need- Ukraine is decimating Russia ; what was Russia doing in North Korea ? Getting weapons and Cuba gathering soldiers - Russia is losing
LOL Russia needs to stop retreating beforehand they can start winning 😂
@John Luckert Sure, It is in your video game, kid.🤣 Don't be so gullible, kid. According to BBC Russian total losses are 32 000 KIA by now (social media records, obituaries, new graves). Yeah, 400 000 Ukrainian KIA and 32 000 Russian KIA. The war of attrition is effectively lost by Ukraine.
Ukraine people ist desived big time and the people dont know the truth! 😮
almost the whole world knows who sparked the conflict and has an interest in it, if there were no plans to expand NATO and fight for influence in Ukraine, the war would not have happened. Look at the previous wars in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Vietnam...Glory russia
NATO expansion is a voluntary choice by countries who wish to join. Russia can't dictate how much NATO is allowed to expand. And if Russia really wants countries to stop joining NATO, then it should be friendlier towards its neighbors and not make meaningless threats.
russia gets no say in what other countries do with their own foreign policy.
*Russia🇷🇺 have border disputes with Ukraine, Georgia, Japan.*
make border agreement & keep peace.
It's not genocide, its a living space operation.
That was the reason Putin said he attacked, right?🤔
We don’t recognize your high court until you recognize Haiti as a black republic sovereign nation,instead of the instability helped by the west…. These people are the problem of the world
What are you talking about?
Iraq ,Afghanistan , Libya, Syria, vitamin, what happened to those countries
It's "Vietnam".
When it's Russia icj : genocide
When it's Us: protecting humanity from WMD 😂😂
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. The U.S. didn't invade Iraqi to destroy it or its people. Have some respect before throwing around "genocide" like candy.
@NatoNatrium Then why did they literally target and kill over one million civilians there ? Someone has a lot of homework to catch up on!
@Phillip Holland They did not target and kill over one million civilians. Every heard of cross-fire? Collateral damage? Or the fact insurgents are just as responsible for the deaths of civilians? Someone has a lot of homework to catch up on.
@Phillip Holland Also, over one million? There's been a multitude of casualty estimates in the Iraq War. As low as 103,000 to a high 1.12 million. But the consensus is that the average within the low hundreds of thousands over a period of 9 years. You choose the most exaggerated estimate to prove a point, but all you really did was display your bias and prejudice towards the United States. Come back more level-headed and we'll talk.
Systems made to control, hire is example.
When west doing mistakes or wars no court or any thing happens ( Afganistan, Iraq and ETC..)
In other cases all law system works as its is afains other and they need to leave under law.
Is this double standard?
There was legal justification to invade Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban. Although Iraq was more legally dubious, nobody is really upset that Saddam Hussein was overthrown. And neither were directed towards petty, ancient grievances, territorial expansion or genocide, unlike what happened in Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda and now Ukraine.
''When I look into Putin's 👁 💀 👁 eyes I see the KGB/FSO/FSB/GRU/NKVD/CHEKA and STASI too.''
Republican Senator John McCain
no logic - only statements
FREEEEEEE PALESTINE ❤❤❤❤❤
its the court decision that Russia commited NO Genocide ..
That is not the question before the court.
Putin zaindabad Russia zaindabad
We still waiting for USA to go to court for what happened to Libya and Iraq
whataboutism isn't a sign of strength for russia, btw.
@Persuasive Barrier But exposing reality and bringing it to the forefront is a severe weakness for the HYPOCRITS
Those people are not international justice they are western justice
Japan, South Africa, Mongolia, the African Union, Malaysia, Singapore, Afghanistan. Albania. Andorra. Antigua and Barbuda. Argentina. ...
B. Bangladesh. Barbados. Belgium. Belize. Benin. ...
C. Cabo Verde. Cambodia. Canada. Central African Republic. ...
D. Democratic Republic of the Congo. Denmark. Djibouti. Dominica. ...
E. Ecuador. El Salvador. Estonia.
F. Fiji. Finland. France.
G. Gabon. Gambia. Georgia. Germany. ...
H. Honduras. Hungary. Suggestion : get the facts before an irrational comment.
Not only universal and international justice - but religions of all faiths support the idea of the sanctity of life. West, East, North, South.
Western "justice" you mean.
This Courtis an American NGO!
Go back to sleep.
Cope.
And also another for UK for the damage they course on Africa and Asia
God bless Russia,Glory to Russia in jesus mighty Name amen,the Cause and foundations of the war is Italy and France Paris, America Napolitano,Napoli,Taranto,Torino,sardinia.Rome ""
What about UK and US, who committed genocide Iraq and Afghanistan…
Nobody cares what this court has to say.😂😂😂
Then why did Russia bother to partake in the proceedings in the first place?
@NatoNatrium I ask myself the same question. We have so many useless organizations around the world that only cost taxpayers money.
Urkaine a battle ground for death of millions
In iraaq where was icj
the one that have been bullied is always 100% on the wrong when they fight back
Bullied! Hahahahaha
Lost are cast in the bosom [of the robe], but every outcome depends on Yahweh.
Have you seen Mariupol after when Ukraine destroyed it ? And there's more cities where life come back to normal, thanks to Russian president and normal people. The west is so so rotten,and greesed and yough... The heads off course,mainly...
Crimes of genocide have been comitted, and have been excused. Crimes of genocide have followed again.
Contest this is stupid and injustice.
But the number of victims is low, less than terrorism of Organisation Armée Secrète , Al Qaeda, more than Rote Armée Fraktion. It can't be compared with what happened during the Holocaust, the three mass-genocides of Burundi, the Halloween massacre in Luanda, the massacre, partially genocidary , by the Interahamwe in Ruanda ( 1 in 4 victims was not Tutsi, but Hutu opposed to tribal violence , or just refusing that quaification based on supposed ancestry ).
So, yes , there IS genocide in Ukraina, by neonazi milicians protected and powered by Nato ( maybe more than by Zelenski ), BUT the number of victims can hardly justify the intervention.
Anyhow, not all citizans of Russia are ethnical Russians, not all ethnical Russians are citizans of Russia. There is no reason to go to war for that sake. A yakouti is citizan of Russia, but as there aren't Yakuti-victims, he should not be concerned? Why, if so, that mant Tchetchens, Bouriati,...?
So, yes, there was /is genocide, the legal governement didn't even trie to protect the victims, but encouraged those who committed those crimes for reasons of ethnic, linguistic, religious, ...belonging ( so, crimes of genocide).
But the character wasn't massif enough to justifie the war.
If UN would pretend there wasn't genocide, murdering for those motives isn't genocide ? Than from how many victims begins genocide?
The refusal to grant protection justifies the right to decide themselves concerning their sovereign belonging as region and as population. Self-determination is justified.
Endlessly HYPOCRISY or laughing SHEKELS or stocks of the world's .
How on earth can Russia say they have not committed War crimes and Genocide
Russia also said they wouldn't invade Ukraine or they didn't shoot down flight MH17 😂
How on earth can you suggest that they have ?? How about UKUSA, France, Saudi Arabia, UAE, just a few pertinant examples.... do you have a "opinion" on these state's actions ?? If you do, is this opinion based on long standing, developed, evolved and considered information, or is it held due to propagandized western government and mass media assertions ?? Or do you have intimate and detailed "knowledge" informed by direct experience in the pertinant local perhaps ??
@Nick Ush🥱 vatnik
Native American to ABORIGINAL?
AFRICA
Me
Palestinian/Syria's to Iraq/Afghanistan's?
Lebanon's
YEMENI
Somali to LIBYA
SOUTH American to NI?
ARCTIC/Antarctic
ASIA'S to SOUTH sea CHINA'S etc?
Non stopped threatening or harssing IRANIAN & greater Pakistan/Kashmir too.
Remember Hiroshima Nagasaki VIETNAM etc? Or endlessly HYPOCRISY.
The only Kangaroo in the Netherlands is the court.
Kangaroos are only native to Australia 😂🙉🤦
Justice for Tamil genocide 2009@Sri Lanka
la cour penale internationnale de justice sont toujours d accord avec les americains donc leurs jugement n a aucune valeur le verdique est toujours connu d avance dans le monde entier les americains disent et tout le monde se taie
International Puppet Court.
Not Very Clever and Totally Wrong.
Where is the genocide court when Us comited atrocities in Afganistan Iraq Siria Iugoslavia Vietnam Mali Bolivia
what about russia in afghanistan, syria, georgia? and china invaded-occupied vietnam right after the US.
WHERE ARE OUR FACTS?
@Persuasive Barrier What give Us the right to qonqer the world?
@Rares Boghean why* are you defending putin invading ukraine? i didn't support the iraq war, why should you here?
@Persuasive Barrier Because my system of values doens t mach the west ones I am for tradition industry and for population growth
This fakes journalist should asked him about iraq yemen palestine
War criminal playing victim ?
yahudi always cries in pain as he strikes you
Yep.
International Court of Kangaroos
Russia hyperfans from indo will support thier idol. 🤣🤣
I would suggest they are silicon based life.
What US did in Libya, Afganistan, Guantanamo, Iraq etc? Western hypocrite
Meanwhile, Isreal: 👀
Mr Zelensky 🇺🇦 should be held accountable for his war crimes 🪖⚖️
Such as?
@NatoNatrium Assassinated a Russian journalist, terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge twice, killed 3 innocent people in Poland through shelling... just to name a few.
@World needs Peace Kerch Bridge connects supplies from the Russian mainland to Crimea. It's therefore a strategic target. But schools, hospitals, market places, or even opera houses are not "strategic" targets, but it doesn't stop Russia from launching missiles and killing civilians. The other claims you made are purely speculative.
@World needs Peace 1st was done by russian partisans. Second is a bridge used for transport of military good, so no "terrorist attack" occurred, and the incident in Poland would not have happened had Ukrainian air defense not been trying to shoot down a russian rocket, as there would have been no rocket for the anti-air missiles to miss.
I dont know why Russia bothers as all these international bodies follow instructions from the US
🎉
Abut USA....Enda England & Germany..
What did Germany do?
@NatoNatrium ..I live in Germany 20 yeras 10 yeras with out passport with out work permanently...Now I have work permanently I work 10 yeras still Now but I don't have Germany passport..I can't flight out of Germany ...but I pay tax.....ware is Democracy ware is Human rights...Mr 20 yeras in one City Jast work end Home .... it.s all
@Rasiy Kidane That sounds like a personal problem with immigration issues. That absolutely has nothing to do with democracy or human rights. And you spent 20 years in Germany, 10 without a German passport and what did you do? Instead of going online and talking rubbish about "democracy" and "human rights," how about go seek legal advice about immigration, residency stay or nationality in Germany?
what about Iraq Libya and Afghanistan.Who will judge the genocide that took place there?
What about Palestine.
SO stop all drama right now.
Russia did nothing wrong.
The West did, and got called out, for once.
Tell the to the nuclear weapon that lands on Russia head. Because that's where this is going. It isn't 1942 mate it's 2023bthere is video footage of the whole war from phones from drones satellites and Ukrainians who are living through Russian occupation and dying through Russian genocide and unjustified war.
Commenters here are smarter than Al Jazeera
Come on how about u treat america the same u whoppers .what bout libia Syria Iran afghanistan Iraq Vietnam Japan Haiti....whatever tosh nd more tosh
If this court court was born to melt equal justice to all nation then UK and US over Iraq and Libya,
Deposing Dictators isn't against the rules lmao
who gives you the right to do so???
Do you only kill dictators that don’t follow your interests.
You are short cited
@DJ LYON Only the dictators that don't follow international rules or agreements.