A light rail line should not take anywhere near 21 years to complete. L.A. County supervisors should be embarrassed to even say that. Are they working in geologic time? Was this a joke and I believed it? Even five years for a 15 mile light rail line, that looks to be entirely at grade, is far too long.
And half of those rail lines in China will collapse and kill thousands of residents below. When you don't care about the environment or humanity, you can build much more quickly.
@@ajs11201 😂😂😂😂😂 You are so stupid. Yes it happened few times in China but it never killed thousands of residents AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN USA FEW TIMES AS WELL... Just buy yourself a brain.
If you want it done sooner, you'll get a BRT instead of an LRT. Remember, Janice is part of the Hahn family of Democrats who (for 70yrs now) have successfully done everything to make public transit the very last place of resort to travel anywhere in the city.
Did she say 2043 for a 15-mile light rail project, or did I hear it wrong? Are they expecting many hiccups even though the project is approved in which it means most obstacles should have been considered and overcome? Or are they converting this into a subway line so it's going to take 21 years? Really, 21 years for a 15-mile light-rail project?
@@garjac1 LOL! The same way the "Regional Connector" (started in 2014!) was "supposed to be done" in 2021! It is now due for completion in . . . . 2023? 24? After the 20208 L.A. Olympics?
Enough money? What, do you think the money is sitting in a bank account somewhere? The funding comes from yearly sales taxes and that is the main reason it will be built in phases. If they had all the money up front, they could build it by 2028.
If I understand correctly, the “before 2043” comment is referring to an old timeline that assumed only one funding source (measure M) for all of LA’s transit projects, which placed this project as completing in 2043. However, metro & the city are pursuing additional funding options, which should push that opening date to the early-mid 2030s. This is what I believe she meant by “before 2043.” Still annoyingly long, but not 22-years-long
Normally, it wouldn't take that long. But they're having to do construction through built-up areas, and they've got to factor in unexpected problems as they're laying the tracks, mainly, the wailing and whining of property owners along the right of way. They never should have torn up the Pacific Electric and LAMTA tracks in the early 60's, but what's done is done.
These just all sound like excuses to me, there are places in Europe (most notably Spain) that have built new subway lines through dense city cores in the past 20 years and they didn't take 21 years to construct them.
@@Mario-by2xc Were there European politicans having to deal with angry property owner constituents who are always ready to "throw the bums out"!? We're having an issue with that right now, with a homeowner who is upset because a tall sound barrier wall being built next to a tollway is blocking the sunlight from his yard. Dealing with this kind of thing on public works projects is not an excuse here -- it's a fact of life. Glad it's not happening in Europe.
This is the most anticipated line I'm looking forward too, the getaway cities badly need this to deal with over congestion of cars. I'll finally be able to go straight to DTLA without multiple transfers.
Get billionaires to put up the money now. The reason for the long timeframe is not due to construction timelines. It's due to funding availability based on taxes collected over a given amount of time. There are other projects ahead in line that will receive the tax dollars first.
Taxes pay for the transit. We don’t want to pay more taxes. Therefore, we don’t want this built any faster. Show me your budget and I’ll show you your values.
I agree. The Expo line is the exact same length (15 miles) and type (Light Rail), and is in fact mostly elevated above ground in a much more dense area than the Gateway region, and yet it only took 6 years to build all of that. How does it make sense for an elevated light rail line build above ground in one of the densest regions of LA to only take 6 years, and this line which is the same length and is being built on *flat clear land with nothing on it* to take 21??
Why to Union Station tho, you can connect to all Metro lines at 7th street/Metro, not Union Station, going anywhere else than the Northern current gold line will require you to ride back from Union Station to 7th
Ikr? I’m not a Californian but I observed through multiple transit maps that lines tend to branch out from business districts and instead it should connect all areas _I mean instead of all connecting downtown their should be a crosstown line so people won’t have to drive_
They are connecting the Arts District directly to Union Station. As with any hip LA neighborhood, the LA Arts District does have an impressive array of upscale coffee shops and high-end eateries. Once completed, The Ribbon of Lights 6th st Viaduct will be a big attraction along with already approved future developments.
@@themoviedealers I'm aware of the regional connector, that's why I wrote current gold line. But unless you want to go North on it you will ride parallel to the new line back south and pass thru 7th street/Metro, same goes for all the subway lines
Before 2043? Wow, sometimes I can't believe America is supposed to be the world power when inefficient projects like this show up. In China they would have built this line in a few years.
NY has been building its system for over 100 years. If LA can catch up to NY in 30 that would be amazing since we only started building our current Metro in the 90s.
@@themoviedealers I’m saying. Shouldn’t Slauson moving eastbound be Phase One? There’s no construction needed from Union Station to Slauson station (once Regional Connector is complete) if you closely read my comment … Bub.
I don't understand the current time scales for these projects. The Metro E line from DTLA to Santa Monica (15.2 mi) took *6 years* to build (2006 - 2012). The West Santa Ana Branch Corridor from Union Station to Pioneer (19.3 mi) will take *20 years* to build (2023 - 2043). If WSAB was built at the same rate as the E Line, it would only take 7.6 years to complete. Not to mention that both the E line and WSAB are the same type of light rail. In fact, the E Line should've taken longer because most of it had to be built elevated in a dense environment. WSAB will literally be built majorly on long stretches of flat clear land that have been empty for decades, and yet it will take 20 years; the earliest opening at that. What happened?? Is there a shortage of workers, did wages rise, is climate change slowing progress; why is it taking so long? I don't want to sound like I'm nagging, but I really don't believe it should take 20 years to build this.
It’s because that’s not how long the construction will last, that’s when the whole line opens. The construction is set to begin in late 2020s for phase one to Slauson and then phase two from Slauson to DTLA is expected to start construction in 2030s. The issue is funding. Metro project are (mostly) funded through sales taxes, which need time to be collected. Projects can be accelerated if other funding streams open up from state and federal governments and maybe even private investors. The timeline we see now is only a prediction based on secured money (so for now only sales tax), but the dates will change with cash injections which are expected to come especially with the new infrastructure bill. Another thing holding this project back is also the fact that we have currently many other projects which are prioritised (like A LOT). You might be familiar with the Sepulveda line or the D line extension. If you want to learn more about the future projects in LA I suggest @nandert he explains things much more professionally than I do. Specifically check out his 2022 metro update
How am I supposed to be happy about paying taxes on something I won’t be able to use until 2043. Our government and society is terrible and depressing honestly. The people working on this project have no urgency and are out of touch with our citizens and their demands. Traffic has been a huge concern in LA for a very long time and by the time this is built, people will be flying car-sized helicopters by then.
@@emvvehicles_8 look at the jetson one vehicle that is sold out. There’s a reason why the rich travel by helicopter. Our phones are building the augmented reality and networks for these “autonomous” vehicles to work properly. We’ve been traveling on roads for over 200 years. Humans and our society havsnt evolved since the internet has been made available to us.
No no no, it’s been proven that rail along the center of a freeway isn’t really beneficial to anyone and was just a fad to get transit funding from large freeway projects and grants
2043?!?!?!?! A lot could happen between now and then. This is the sad state of affairs in transit planning in the US. Lack of commitment, lack of political support, lack of political cojones and lousy planning. So the proposed route will go through industrial no-man’s land. Great! Instead integrating the line with forward thinking city planning this line is just another half baked proposal that will never fulfill expectations. It’s another missed opportunity to integrate housing, retail and services around the stations with good walking qualities that will get people to live without cars. This is just a great disappointment to transit and urban planners who want to see more constructive solutions for our cities. The planners here did the easy way of doing transit. They ignored everything else. Another mediocre project.
@@kevinbarnes218 That's right, from the final closure of the once-extensive Pacific Electric system in 1961 to the opening of the Blue Line in 1990, there was no passenger rail in LA.
@@NEONLOVEMACHINE1 Nothing wrong with trains, and the best ones are a product of capitalist research and development. Much better than traffic jams and cities turned into parking lots.
At least wait till the BOON-DOGGLES you already have underway (Metro Regional Connector, Purple Line Extension!) are done before you go pouring money down ANOTHER "metro-rail" boondoggle!
@@seamusmckeon9109 an al woman Board just to have all woman is sexist. And the best part is they can’t blame a man for the treasonous acts they committed
Waymo's self-driving services will make millions of dollars from us Californians by 2043. Congratulations, LA Metro! Your flawed "West Santa Ana Branch trashcan project" will forever be a forgotten name in California, except for being recorded in the history of LA's corrupt bureaucracy in transportation.
A light rail line should not take anywhere near 21 years to complete. L.A. County supervisors should be embarrassed to even say that. Are they working in geologic time? Was this a joke and I believed it? Even five years for a 15 mile light rail line, that looks to be entirely at grade, is far too long.
Yeah i think with the technology now available, this is absolutely possible in around 3 years.
It's about the funding, not the construction. That is why it will take 20 years. There is not enough collected tax funds to built it sooner.
The original idea was "by 2050" lol
The USA is a pathetic country.
Apparently you think money grows on trees
“New rail line” 😀
“It’ll be completed before 2043” 😕
“it’s light rail” 😣
What.the.hell Metro
21 years? China will build another 50 metro lines by that time.
And half of those rail lines in China will collapse and kill thousands of residents below. When you don't care about the environment or humanity, you can build much more quickly.
@@ajs11201 😂😂😂😂😂 You are so stupid. Yes it happened few times in China but it never killed thousands of residents AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN USA FEW TIMES AS WELL... Just buy yourself a brain.
@Anthony96922 Welp definitely better than in USA but still... french police... eeeh.
@@luckerhdd3929 Nah, actually, I'm fairly smart.
@Anthony96922 Point taken.
She sounded so proud when she said before 2043. Seriously that is just sounds like a strategic plan.
If you want it done sooner, you'll get a BRT instead of an LRT. Remember, Janice is part of the Hahn family of Democrats who (for 70yrs now) have successfully done everything to make public transit the very last place of resort to travel anywhere in the city.
@@sweetmapleleafs Democrats preventing the expansion of public transit…. Are you cognizant?
Wow 2043? China would’ve done this in less than 2 years.
Did she say 2043 for a 15-mile light rail project, or did I hear it wrong? Are they expecting many hiccups even though the project is approved in which it means most obstacles should have been considered and overcome? Or are they converting this into a subway line so it's going to take 21 years? Really, 21 years for a 15-mile light-rail project?
Hell, its taken them 8 years to do a 1.9 mile "Regional Connector" so what do you expect? BOON-DOGGLE is the operating principle here!
She said BEFORE that. 2043 was the original timetable.
Lol Metro has never finished any project on time… So if she said before 2043 expect this to be done by the year 2100.
@@garjac1 LOL! The same way the "Regional Connector" (started in 2014!) was "supposed to be done" in 2021! It is now due for completion in . . . . 2023? 24? After the 20208 L.A. Olympics?
America Moment
Can't this corridor be expedited? Before the 2028 Olympics would be a goal worth reaching for, God willing.
It would be but there is only so much funding to go around before 2028. There are several other transit projects already scheduled to open by 2028.
Excuse me, what the hell? 2043??? Was that a joke?
That was the original target date but she said sooner than that now. A lot of other projects are first in line.
@@themoviedealers when she said sooner did she mean like 13 years sooner? Because otherwise it's a really big problem
And it’s light rail, for me that makes it even worse
I’m all for what ever gets people off the roads in our beloved city
Make it faster. You have enough money to fasttrack the construction in time for the 2028 Olympics.
Enough money? What, do you think the money is sitting in a bank account somewhere? The funding comes from yearly sales taxes and that is the main reason it will be built in phases. If they had all the money up front, they could build it by 2028.
If I understand correctly, the “before 2043” comment is referring to an old timeline that assumed only one funding source (measure M) for all of LA’s transit projects, which placed this project as completing in 2043.
However, metro & the city are pursuing additional funding options, which should push that opening date to the early-mid 2030s. This is what I believe she meant by “before 2043.”
Still annoyingly long, but not 22-years-long
Normally, it wouldn't take that long. But they're having to do construction through built-up areas, and they've got to factor in unexpected problems as they're laying the tracks, mainly, the wailing and whining of property owners along the right of way. They never should have torn up the Pacific Electric and LAMTA tracks in the early 60's, but what's done is done.
These just all sound like excuses to me, there are places in Europe (most notably Spain) that have built new subway lines through dense city cores in the past 20 years and they didn't take 21 years to construct them.
@@Mario-by2xc Were there European politicans having to deal with angry property owner constituents who are always ready to "throw the bums out"!? We're having an issue with that right now, with a homeowner who is upset because a tall sound barrier wall being built next to a tollway is blocking the sunlight from his yard. Dealing with this kind of thing on public works projects is not an excuse here -- it's a fact of life. Glad it's not happening in Europe.
This is the most anticipated line I'm looking forward too, the getaway cities badly need this to deal with over congestion of cars. I'll finally be able to go straight to DTLA without multiple transfers.
For real, the 5 from dtla to Downey/ Lakewood, or the 5 to the 710 to the 105 suffer one of the worst traffic every day besides Sunday between 1-8pm
We should vote for community leaders that can actually get things done, there has to be a way to get this done in maximum 5. There's a way
Get billionaires to put up the money now. The reason for the long timeframe is not due to construction timelines. It's due to funding availability based on taxes collected over a given amount of time. There are other projects ahead in line that will receive the tax dollars first.
You willing to go with monorail then? Or get foreign experts
@@qjtvaddict Monorail? Heck no!
Taxes pay for the transit. We don’t want to pay more taxes. Therefore, we don’t want this built any faster. Show me your budget and I’ll show you your values.
I agree. The Expo line is the exact same length (15 miles) and type (Light Rail), and is in fact mostly elevated above ground in a much more dense area than the Gateway region, and yet it only took 6 years to build all of that. How does it make sense for an elevated light rail line build above ground in one of the densest regions of LA to only take 6 years, and this line which is the same length and is being built on *flat clear land with nothing on it* to take 21??
2043????
Why to Union Station tho, you can connect to all Metro lines at 7th street/Metro, not Union Station, going anywhere else than the Northern current gold line will require you to ride back from Union Station to 7th
Ikr? I’m not a Californian but I observed through multiple transit maps that lines tend to branch out from business districts and instead it should connect all areas
_I mean instead of all connecting downtown their should be a crosstown line so people won’t have to drive_
They are connecting the Arts District directly to Union Station. As with any hip LA neighborhood, the LA Arts District does have an impressive array of upscale coffee shops and high-end eateries. Once completed, The Ribbon of Lights 6th st Viaduct will be a big attraction along with already approved future developments.
Union Station is the main hub.
You'll be able to get the A train at Union.
@@themoviedealers I'm aware of the regional connector, that's why I wrote current gold line. But unless you want to go North on it you will ride parallel to the new line back south and pass thru 7th street/Metro, same goes for all the subway lines
We''ll be all 80 years old or dead by the time this project is done. Thanks Metro !
is anyone working on the project now still gonna be alive by the time this is done?
Line 3 in Guadalajara about the same size as this one took 7 years to build
Great. We're replacing a public service that existed in 1916. #progress.
more like rebuilding given they tore down all the streetcars
It goes right over the old streetcar right aways too.
When she said 2043, I thought it was a heavy rail project 😢
Instead of lining the pockets of your friends, maybe invest in future proof mass transit like underground tunnels and build mass housing above
@0:55 even she looked back, baffled as if saying 2043 is the most ridiculous thing she's ever heard. lol
Before 2043? Wow, sometimes I can't believe America is supposed to be the world power when inefficient projects like this show up. In China they would have built this line in a few years.
This had already existed with the Los Angeles Red Cars
Which means the tracks are probably STILL THERE!
For much of the route they're using the former PE ROW.
@@Cal90208 And the part that is NOT being used will cost HOW MUCH to construct?
@@sudcciv6443 They can’t use former ROW for the whole thing, as some of it is no longer available
No, capacity was a lot lower and it didn't have a separate ROW.
Why don't you extend The Gold Line to Ontario Airport would be such a blessing for the people here in the San Gabriel Valley nd surrounding areas.
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Before 2043... 😐
LA is 30 years behind NY.
NY has been building its system for over 100 years. If LA can catch up to NY in 30 that would be amazing since we only started building our current Metro in the 90s.
I’ll be 44 years old. I’ll own a house and have a family.
Definitely not in los angeles of course 😂
twenty ducking years to complete one line
Thank goodness I don’t live in L.A. I’ll be in a retirement home by the time this is finished.
We already have the third largest urban rail network in North America.
At least you'll still be alive. I'll probably be six feet under. :/
under/over this finishes 5 years behind schedule
Wait, Union Station to Slauson will already exist with the current A Line and the Regional Connector.... THAT'S PHASE 1 ???? lol Joke
Forced transfer at Slauson. It's better than nothing, Bub.
@@themoviedealers I’m saying. Shouldn’t Slauson moving eastbound be Phase One? There’s no construction needed from Union Station to Slauson station (once Regional Connector is complete) if you closely read my comment … Bub.
That's not phase one. Phase one is from Slauson to Artesia.
Has Los Angeles ever considered building a circle line to connect the surrounding LA area without having to change trains Downtown.
Should be done before 2030 at the very latest
Lol at the timeline. Ridiculous.
Why not invest in a cirle line that goes around LA, I suggest the Gold Line going to Ontario International Airport
2043.... LOL! Make that 3043 sounds more realistic.
At least LA County doin somethin about their transit. No matter how long it takes. Riverside County doesn’t truly improve anything.
I Will Die With All This Violence In LA County Before This Is Completed Hahahah What A Joke
Hell ya baby
When she said before 2043😂😂😂😂😂
I don't understand the current time scales for these projects.
The Metro E line from DTLA to Santa Monica (15.2 mi) took *6 years* to build (2006 - 2012). The West Santa Ana Branch Corridor from Union Station to Pioneer (19.3 mi) will take *20 years* to build (2023 - 2043).
If WSAB was built at the same rate as the E Line, it would only take 7.6 years to complete. Not to mention that both the E line and WSAB are the same type of light rail. In fact, the E Line should've taken longer because most of it had to be built elevated in a dense environment. WSAB will literally be built majorly on long stretches of flat clear land that have been empty for decades, and yet it will take 20 years; the earliest opening at that.
What happened?? Is there a shortage of workers, did wages rise, is climate change slowing progress; why is it taking so long? I don't want to sound like I'm nagging, but I really don't believe it should take 20 years to build this.
It’s because that’s not how long the construction will last, that’s when the whole line opens. The construction is set to begin in late 2020s for phase one to Slauson and then phase two from Slauson to DTLA is expected to start construction in 2030s.
The issue is funding. Metro project are (mostly) funded through sales taxes, which need time to be collected. Projects can be accelerated if other funding streams open up from state and federal governments and maybe even private investors. The timeline we see now is only a prediction based on secured money (so for now only sales tax), but the dates will change with cash injections which are expected to come especially with the new infrastructure bill.
Another thing holding this project back is also the fact that we have currently many other projects which are prioritised (like A LOT). You might be familiar with the Sepulveda line or the D line extension.
If you want to learn more about the future projects in LA I suggest @nandert he explains things much more professionally than I do. Specifically check out his 2022 metro update
It's probably gonna take 10 years to build
How am I supposed to be happy about paying taxes on something I won’t be able to use until 2043. Our government and society is terrible and depressing honestly. The people working on this project have no urgency and are out of touch with our citizens and their demands. Traffic has been a huge concern in LA for a very long time and by the time this is built, people will be flying car-sized helicopters by then.
I don’t think flying cars will come even close, I think it’ll be more crashing autonomous cars 🤣
@@emvvehicles_8 look at the jetson one vehicle that is sold out. There’s a reason why the rich travel by helicopter. Our phones are building the augmented reality and networks for these “autonomous” vehicles to work properly. We’ve been traveling on roads for over 200 years. Humans and our society havsnt evolved since the internet has been made available to us.
@@lustearnz don’t forget we have politicians that’ll put many roadblocks to progress upon us just because of people dying from preventable accidents
30 years ago we had nothing as far as rail based mass transit, now we have the third largest system in North America. Metro has done a good job.
@@themoviedealers third largest in terms of what?
ALL FREEWAYS NEED CENTER RAIL, NOT JUST 105/10, green line south needs to contenue through Torrance into long Beach, freeway access is impossible now
No no no, it’s been proven that rail along the center of a freeway isn’t really beneficial to anyone and was just a fad to get transit funding from large freeway projects and grants
@@pinhead35 yea it is and metro agrees, I already subbited my vote to the committee
Agreed. The 405 is adding another lane which just means more congestion. It should've been removed and a metro line added to the center.
@@colinm366 congestion is enevatable bc this popular explosion will only get worse
Rapid transit in the middle of freeways misses out on a huge amount of residents and businesses that can’t be built next to the station.
Why does it take that long to build?
Why is she so hyped about a project that won't be done until 2043? That's 21 years! Jesus
LMAOOO 2043
2043 are you kidding me?
Welcome to Caucasians America.
Divert funding from highways into transit projects.
Ok
They should start building in 2025 or 2026
Lol. 2043!? Rats I will be long dead before I can ride it. I would love to have riden it once. Train nerd.
Meanwhile in Asia…
🤣🤣🤣
While they expand, usage declines.
2043 is this a joke?
more heavy rail rapid transit
2043?!?!?!?!
A lot could happen between now and then.
This is the sad state of affairs in transit planning in the US. Lack of commitment, lack of political support, lack of political cojones and lousy planning.
So the proposed route will go through industrial no-man’s land. Great!
Instead integrating the line with forward thinking city planning this line is just another half baked proposal that will never fulfill expectations. It’s another missed opportunity to integrate housing, retail and services around the stations with good walking qualities that will get people to live without cars.
This is just a great disappointment to transit and urban planners who want to see more constructive solutions for our cities. The planners here did the easy way of doing transit. They ignored everything else. Another mediocre project.
What a shame! L.A. public transportation is a huge embarrassment to other major cities all over the world!
R.T.D. should have never sold out to MTA!!!
What a joke. Metro should be ashamed of itself
“Supervisor’s.” FFS.
Build it ALREADY, FFS!
Get it done by 2028! We all you know can!
Still not as good as Singapore or Hongkong
Very true, but a big improvement on LA in 1989.
@@simonbone didn't LA use to have no rail transit at one point?
Communism has trains. Free people drive.
@@kevinbarnes218 That's right, from the final closure of the once-extensive Pacific Electric system in 1961 to the opening of the Blue Line in 1990, there was no passenger rail in LA.
@@NEONLOVEMACHINE1 Nothing wrong with trains, and the best ones are a product of capitalist research and development. Much better than traffic jams and cities turned into parking lots.
Before 2043? LOL! That year may never come. *Jesus Christ* is coming.
2043
2043!? Trash timeline.
Idk how LA has room for anything considering how crowded jt is
The city is all 90% medium density developments, abandoned railroad rights of way, and endless suburbia
If it was crowded with people on the streets that’d actually be a sign of a healthy city. But it’s crowded with cars, traffic, and highway
How can you say this crap when Tokyo exists
At least wait till the BOON-DOGGLES you already have underway (Metro Regional Connector, Purple Line Extension!) are done before you go pouring money down ANOTHER "metro-rail" boondoggle!
I can see you don't understand how government spending works.
Who are the private beneficiaries of this rail.
Boycott the whole thing
No to the rail no the all woman board. Mooo
Why though
Why also unnecessary sexism
Good luck hosting the Oiympics with that mindset.
@@eannamcnamara9338 they will ship illegals in at light speed crack too.
@@seamusmckeon9109 an al woman Board just to have all woman is sexist. And the best part is they can’t blame a man for the treasonous acts they committed
She said 2043. Which means the project should realistically & optimistically be completed by 2050. Wonderful. pEaK uRbAN deVelOpMent here people.
Waymo's self-driving services will make millions of dollars from us Californians by 2043. Congratulations, LA Metro! Your flawed "West Santa Ana Branch trashcan project" will forever be a forgotten name in California, except for being recorded in the history of LA's corrupt bureaucracy in transportation.