Defunctland: The Craziest Party Walt Disney Ever Threw
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- One of the single most important stories in theme park history has nothing to do with a theme park. This is Walt's Field Day, the Craziest Party Walt Disney Ever Threw.
An Editorial Note on This Production:
This video features many quotes from Walt Disney and his staff, read in the video by actors. Some of these quotes, said decades later, are placed in the story as if they are being said in the moment. This was done in such a way as to not change the meaning or intention of the original quote, but it does alter the context. On a few occasions, a dialogue scene is constructed out of past quotes said at different times. Specifically, Walt most likely did not yell "You commie sons of b----" immediately after Babbitt's mocking of him with the megaphone, but Walt did say those words in reference to Babbitt and the protestors.
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In this episode of Defunctland's third season, Kevin takes a deep look into Disney Studios as they prepare to release the feature film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and the wild after-party that followed. The closeness of the group of animators is tested when the studio grows too fast, and a difficult strike ensues.
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7:44 "There was one non secretarial girl consistently with the boys in animation."
Me: Oh no.
"Fourteen year old Marge Belcher."
Me: Oh NO!
"Due to her age, many of the boys saw her as a little sister."
Me: Oh, thank God.
"But not Art Babbitt."
ME: *NOOOOOOOOOOOO*
I looked into it, holy shit-she's still alive at 100 years old.
They divorced in 1941...
JonManProductions And she married dancer and choreographer turned Broadway director Gower Champion. They were quite popular in the old musicals.
@@JonManProductions well, yeah, no shit they divorced, he was a big fucking child predator.
Even he isn't exempted
“Three white teenagers with era specific names” made me laugh out loud.
- the DHI podcast also mentions the big apple dance
A synagogue?
@@altarush Not sure where you get that idea, but the names in this case are those were quite common back then (IE: simplier names, things that were easy to pronounce and spell. Unlike today, where we often have people with names that are quite difficult to say or spell sometimes)
I'm gonna guess John, Bob, and Bill
@@Suisfonia Harold GooGoo Wiles is a simple name?
"There was one non secretarial girl consistently with the boys in animation. Fourteen year old Marge Belcher."
that phrase felt like falling in front of a moving truck
it was like a punch in the gut... I knew what was coming right after he said 14 and what's worse is that I was right :(
That part was a wild mood swings moment. "Oh no, she was only fourteen." "Oh good, they saw her as a little sister. That's kinda sweet." "Oh god DAMN it, Art."
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If Walt had really cared he would have had another adult woman in the room with them at all times.
“Due to her age, most saw her like a little sister”, Oh, thank god!
…Wait, what did you mean by “most”- goddammit, Art.
I bet walt didnt allow any Homosexual Fast Dancing at that party.
Harry Todhunter When the Walt’s asleep, the homosexuals will fast dance 🤫
Or slow dancing 0-0
By the sounds of it, I don’t think even Walt could have stopped the homosexual fast dancing at that fucking rager
He wouldn't have had a choice if I was there.
Somebody in the thread missed the joke
I love how their plan to discredit Babbitt was planting a gun on him and not anything to do with his relationship with a 14 year old
She wasn't 14 at that point but yea I guess it was the norm then
@@oooh19 So was Juliet
@@oooh19 she was 14 when he pursued her
Back then many young girls married 20 or 30 something guys
Married cus they got knocked off
Hilarious how often you hear "Oh no, I wasn't there. I left at sundown..."
Sure you did...
slymaster9 that guy was a jerk
With a camera.
To me, he sounds bitter about having to leave at sundown, lol.
The guy immediately after at 23:30 sounds like he's trying not to laugh at his boss
His name was Dick Huemer, too.
@@DoswarePictures I thought he had a leaf blower now
“Horny people have no rights”
-Walt Disney
He was a Pee dough himself. They yell the loudest about morality because they have the most to hide.
@@lorimiller4301 No Walt Disney wasn't a pedophile. What's the story behind it?? Because there was a Mother that came to Walt Disney to talk about her 15 year old son dating a 20 something Tommy Kirk. Which Walt Disney did talk to Kirk about. And Yes the relationship ended. In ALL the research I my Mom and Grams have done through the years that's the only one that seems to link Walt Disney to any of that sort of thing. And thus Babbitt relationship but they waited to marry til she was 17.
@vonsmitty1313 That I have know idea about
@@lorimiller4301 pee dough
Kellogg would agree
I never knew about the Disney departments being segregated by gender. I'm now realizing that Who Framed Roger Rabbit was being particularly tongue-in-cheek when they named the nightclub where Jessica Rabbit performs the Ink and Paint Club.
hell the lead on that was trained by art Babbitt
Yep and the password to get in was "Walt sent me"
It’s the times
Before the 1960s almost all jobs separated men and women
The way the Ink & Paint Club is segregated is more a reference to "whites only" clubs of the era (and before) which would only serve white customers while the only black people allowed in were workers.
Now the Disney company actively discriminates/abuses against a sex in the company… but it’s men so nobody cares.
"Everybody's drunk, Riley Thompson is riding a horse into the pool"
That is the best line
@Orionise imagine getting hammered and riding a horse during the weekend. Then on Monday, animating Mickey in a cartoon
PED0DISNEY they are still in ACTION
*[ H o r s e N e i g h i n g ]*
Funnily enough, that's not the first time I've heard the words "-blank- is riding a horse into the pool."
@@russellbrown6888 gotta party with you Russ...
First half: Here's a fun story about how boring Walt accidentally threw a crazy party for his animators!
Second half: Now that you're invested, here's a hugely important story regarding the history of workers' rights in the early twentieth century.
Literally disguised communist propaganda. But I'm unsurprised.
@Matthew Chenault How them boots taste?
DefunctLand would be good as a history teacher
You mean communist subversion of an entrepreneur I think.
DeMat many capitalists countries, including the US, have unions. Some of you, I swear. This was a history lecture with nothing but facts and sources cited. If you think facts are propaganda of any kind I judge you and what your news sources actually are.
Walt Disney: "No dating any coworkers!"
Walt Disney: (Marries a coworker)
There were alot of co-worker marriages and life time friends too. That must of been a Great place to work. Since I can't stand half my coworkers.😢
To be fair, Walt and Lilly got married before the studio really took off
@@sonofjafarreturns Yes. Thank you.
Workers: I'm sorry what was that Uncle Walt.
Walt Disney: Keep up the good work boys
Walt Disney: "No facial hair!"
Walt Disney: Has a mustache
I for one am SHOCKED! SHOCKED! that the marriage between Art and Marge disintegrated and they divorced in 1941. Who would have thought a 26 year old pursuing a 14 year old wouldn't lead to a healthy and stable marriage?
the first half of this video: wow! the disney animators sure got up to some wacky stuff in those days, haha!
the second half: UNIONIZE! UNIONIZE! UNIONIZE! UNIO
They remained friend their whole lives and even met each other's new spouses. It's not they hated each other. My uncle married his very young wife and they've been together for 40+ years. Maybe more. Icky yes. But they're happy.
Things were different back then. If your average age span is 55, and most men did not get a school diploma until age 35, well, a young wife is the most likely way to have some offspring before you croak. Oh, and until penicillin 50% of your kids would die from a flu other disease before they had kids.
@@davidthedeaf I understand but penicillin was founded in 1928 by a Dr Fleming.
@@austindreher2791 nobody in my family in WA state had ever been given penicillin until into early 1940s. You do not “found” a medicine, you have to get it approved. Dr Fleming stumbled upon it on moldy bread that fell into a Petri dish. It was not on the market and used until the 1940s.
“March 14, 1942, the first patient was treated for streptococcal sepsis with US-made penicillin produced by Merck & Co.”
"Had the animators been accustomed to working with women in tandem, in theory, there would have been less harassment. This theory has been disproven every day for the last 80 years" - that quote frigging killed me. lmao & fml
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I was taking a sip of water and this almost made me spit it out because I suddenly had to laugh.
As a female person that used to work in a male dominated field I felt this sentence in my bones.
Men: no I’m pretty sure this was solved
Women: what about your creepy friend Jake?
Men: oh that’s just how Jake is, he’s almost harmless
@@freyjathehealer5559 You know a great idea? Segregation by sex. That'll solve the harassment thing!
@@galek75 I have an even better idea if you wanna stop men harrassing women maybe actually implement punishments for it.
“Walt saw these boys as family”.”
Oh, that’s pretty sweet.
“Walt was taught by his Father to pursue a tireless work ethic and was almost never satisfied with Walt’s work.”
Walt may have been a heartless arrogant demanding asshole but he knew how to get things down.
oh no. im starting to see why they had so much fun at that party. it was a revolution of pissed off college kids who were tired and working for unfair pay and that's not a good mix
Well it WAS a huge accomplishment! The first animated full length movie! It's a lot of work it's understandable they'd want to relax and have fun after all that. It's not even about pay even if paid well you'd still not want to overwork yourself. They should be proud of their hard work!
oh,so capitalism
Yeah that's a problem. One that lead up to this event and others.
"At the time, Disney's studio was segregated." That's bad. "Not racially..." That's good! "...as Disney would not hire a full-time African American animator." That's bad. "But also, it was segregated by sex." Can I go now?
I know what will cheer you up… a frozen yogurt or frogurt
But be warned… the frogurt is cursed…
@@mjwatts1983 That's bad.
@@ianfinrir8724 But you get a choice of topping
@@mjwatts1983 That's good.
@@ianfinrir8724 The topping contains potassium benzoate (C7-H5-KO2)
When a job says we're family, thats always a bad sign.
100%
Yup. It's a form of guilt-slinging.
Worse, it's disrespectful to the actual concept of family.
Not always. Sheetz is a rare example today. And yes Disney WAS a close family before the strikes, but every company that explodes with success grows too big for that to remain. As it was, Walt still called many artists and Imagineers (once Disneyland and the Worlds Fair became reality) by name.
i always say “yes it’s like a family here… a dysfunctional family at that.”
if your job starts saying this, find another one
.... okay that explains why it’s called The Ink And Paint club in Roger Rabbit.
OOOOOOOOoooh!
yuppp
Now that is nerd humor.
FUUUUUUUUU-
Thats an epic inside joke
I love that the animators tried to prank Walt by sending a cop too tell him he was too drunk and rowdy... but he was too drunk and rowdy to listen to the cop and instead just tried to fight him.
Man....wish that had worked every time I was drunk and rowdy and tried to fight a cop...
Cop:Sir we fot a noise complaint from the other tenants could you please quiet down?
Walt Disney:Dooo Yoouu Knoww whhop i amm?.. Im...Wallltt Disneyyy.. Illll havveee yourrr baddggee.. *Burps*
You use the word "too" wrong a couple times
@@cookiemocher388 only once
there are no words
I love that almost every anecdote about this started with "well, I had left before then, but I HEARD..."
The beauties of plausible deniability
Sad to report that Marge Champion passed away yesterday on October 21st, 2020 at the ripe age of 101. She was a very talented dancer and performer and her contributions to Snow White marked the beginning of a long and prosperous career. May she rest in peace
🖤
💐🌹🌸🌺💐
😔🙏😇
🥀
And Ruthie Tompson passed away on October 10th, 2021 at the age of 111.
Bosses: "instead of complaining for pay increase why don't you do something about it?"
Workers: "okay"
Bosses: "Wait."
*surprised Pikachu face*
"Not like that"
wait erm.. that's communism..
@@TheThreatenedSwan Also Disney: *thinks about it for a second, then snort-laughs at themselves for even considering such an outlandish notion*
Alex lorimer What about it
"14 year old Marge Belcher was seen as a little sister to the animators, but not Art Babbitt who pursued her romantically."
Walt: *O H N A W*
I've never been kipling myself, I hear it's fun.
They married when she was 17.
Austin Dreher that’s grooming dude, stop trying to defend it. im 17 and i KNOW that im not ready in any ways that you can think to be able to date a 29 year old. dating a 14 year old at that age is predatory shit and disgusting.
@@austindreher2791 Lol. He was 26 and she was 14 when he started grooming her. Im in my 30s and I've met many people in my life. The ONLY people who are fine with that are pedophiles or children who are confused. That's messed up and why it's frowned upon and illegal today
@@vacuumsdotgov I'm 18 and I know that she had to have her parents permission to marry .As for grooming years change people. He didn't persue her until she 17. My Mom's friend was 15 when she married her 22 year boyfriend. They are still Happily married for 35 years. Can't speak for all but some people do mature faster then others. Would I marry someone that must younger than me No. But Obviously she( the women in the video) was mature enough and after they divorced they remained close friends.
i honestly like seeing walt humanized like this. the man was a creative genius, but god was he flawed.
Walt was evil plain and simple.
Yeah. while he was great from a perspective of the industry and creativity and how he changed it, he also was a racist, antisemetic, greedy person.
That’s the unfortunate thing about humanity. We like to see figureheads as one note. Good or evil, when they’re simply human. We do bad, but we do good.
Indeed
Sure the man had flaws but who doesn't. He was a business man And he learned from his mistakes. And became successful. Most of his employees have nothing but Good things to say about him. And most stayed from the very beginning of the studio to even after his death. They said he was tough but he brought out the Best in them. Even better things then they taught they can do. As said by animators Frank and Ollie.
Walt’s itinerary has the same energy as spongebob’s party plan.
First thought lmao, so damn corny
Wow! that comment will age like a fine wine some day
Okay, but to be absolutely fair to SpongeBob, he is a literal square.
So, it's basically "Disney's American Pie: How the Mouse Got Hammered."
LOL 😂
So that’s why Disney became anti union too?
Sounds like a perfect 'family' movie title
the first half of this video: wow! the disney animators sure got up to some wacky stuff in those days, haha!
the second half: UNIONIZE! UNIONIZE! UNIONIZE! UNIO
Pedophilia and sexual harassment sure are wacky
Power to the unions baby. Let the working class rise up
@@johndanes2294 Fuck unions they do nothing but steal your cash.
@@JeRefuseDeBienPrononcerBaleine Better pay a little for legal representation than be completely trampled on by your boss. Power to the working class.
@@johndanes2294 Syndicat leaders are basically mob bosses that insist they take your money for your "protection". They are worthless, incompetent and belong to an era past.
It took me longer than I'm proud to admit to realize these audio quotes were from voice actors and not real.
Oh, dang.
😂
I was thinking "how convenient that all of these conversations and speeches were captured in high-fidelity audio..." and then I read this comment and realized they were voice actors.
@@InventorZahran same
yeah i was like "wow! they sound exactly like they do in bendy and the ink machine! the creators mustve listened to these tapes! im so fucking stupid
My Grandmother was an Ink and Paint girl on Snow White. She loved her job, but did not return after because she got married and moved away. She did go to the party, but never talked about it. I don't think she ever got a bonus either.
The bonus was the alcohol
"This theory was then disproven, *every day for the past 80 years."*
I love that line.
That sardonic wit I have come to love from this channel.
@@DMWayne-ke7fl ok boomer
@@mateokunzer pre boomer more like it.
@@mateokunzer you're so edgy using a dead meme to support the establishment consensus man.
Shame the theme of the party wasn’t Superstar Limo
Michael Eisner that was barely a party at all
who let *you* in!?
OH GOD HE'S REAL
Thanks, Michael Eisner
Shut up Michael.
I love how Walt had a rule against relationships between the ink & paint/ animation departments... Walt, where exactly did your wife work again?
"Do as I say, not as I do."
The age-old maxim of parents and shitty bosses.
@@noesunyoutuber7680 TRUE!
@@noesunyoutuber7680 when you own the company and literally have your name as the name of the company, you can do this. But you'll never own or start thinking that, so I doubut you'll understand.
The point is to encourage productivity, Walt isn't an animator working on the project, and, as such, the rule doesn't really apply to him
@@marcello9476 this is too concise and logical of a response. I reckon you find yourself another thread to comment on, it's a lost cause with these unproductive dimwits that denounce everything and produce nothing.
I did not expect this to be a massive expose of labor conditions, institutionalized sexism, and red scare. What a ride!
My grandmother (who is now 101 years old!!!) had an aunt who dated an animator who worked at the Fleischer studio. His name was Ted Sears and during the thirties he was hired away by Walt Disney. My grandmother still has hand drawn cards and letters (and, later on, custom printed Christmas cards) from Sears, including at least one where he talks about “Snow White”, which was still in production!!!
That’s awesome!
That’s so cool tell ur grandma I said hi 🙂
that is really cool sounds amazing
Wow!! Thank you for sharing!
OMG NO ONE CARES
YOU HAD A HORSE CONSULTANT AND IT WAS JENNY NICHOLSON ARE YOU KIDDING ME
my head was in my hands after hearing walt's speech. holy shit, walt was poking the bee hive with a short stick.
more like, he was poking the bee hive with a sharp sword.
@@orchidposaand that sword was wrapped in sharp wire and engulfed in flames.
If only Freddie had known he could make a living drawing hentai in the future. RIP.
Better yet, furry art.
@@ihateindices N O
P L E A S E
@@ihateindices Dude, aren't those basically one and the same?
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer they are both the same in that they are both degenerative and evident of rampant sexual deviance and hedonism
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer no no. non-animal girls get tentical hentaid' too
I love the juxtaposition of Walt calmly going to bed with a guy RIDING A HORSE INTO THE POOL. I need to see the wolf of Wall Street esque madness of this party on film
Sadly, the Walt Disney Corporation would likely never let that happen, but we can dream.
I swear to god I will make a wolf of wall Street esc film about this event if it's the last thing I ever do.
@@TackyRackyComixNEO Buncha prudes, they should have done it.
"She was 14"
Allow me to polish my The Office impression... *ahem* ... NO! GOD! NO GOD! PLEASE NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOO...
I thought you woulda chose Stanley chewing out Ryan.
Allow me to add an impression of a certain news investigator who would likely make these guys squirm if they were alive today...
(Clears throat)
Chris Hansen: You wanna explain yourself? Why don’t you have a seat right over here?
“BOY HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND? CUZ ILL HELP YOU FIND IT!”
Yes!
@@allistull24 i cant even begin to explain how many times i've used this line hahahah
That "circa 2000s rock song" parody in the credits is uncannily accurate
Video: “Walt was so drunk, he told the cop that he would have his badge”
Me: haha that’s funny
*watches Walt’s EPCOT video*
Me: (ಠ_ಠ)
Please explain. I watched the EPCOT video and don’t get it
@@australianbleach8594 it’s explained that EPCOT basically would have been a dictatorship where Walt had total control over laws, so he would have had authority over police
“I’m Walt Disney, and I’m here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?”
"'No,' says the man at Warner Bros, 'it belongs to the poor.'"
@San Shinobi "No," says the man from Paramount, "it belongs to God."
I sprayed coke out my nose, thank you for this fantastic post
Walt even looks eerily like Andrew Ryan.
@@DoctorNumber10 "I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... DISNEYLAND."
One thing about when skilled Disney animators go on strike: they go all out in the art of their protest signs.
Walt’s party plan reminds me of the “mandatory fun” days i used to have in the military.
I love stories like this, because it's so hard to find history that isn't someone's idealized, sanitized, and/or biased story of events. The people of yesterday were just as flawed as the people today, but there are so few opportunities to actually hear about the wild, chaotic parties and fiascos they would get up to, because there was no easy way to keep records of those things and the people who did keep records rarely liked to talk about them.
*Defunctland Season 3:* "The One where Disney Project X'ed Himself."
Bryce Boigner was the title supposed to be a Friends refrence?
Also, Project X is also one of the names used for Legoland wild mouse coasters.
busi magen I know about Project X, I’m referring to the start of the title, as all episodes of Friends (except the first and last ones) start with “The One”.
Disney: If you hate the way things are, do something about it!!!
Animators: *Organize and join unions*
Disney: NO NOT LIKE THAT
Excellent video as always, Kevin. You really do have a way with telling history!
You're not suppose to take /pol/ seriously. And people like Jeff Bezos love your attitude.
@Grime Fork Cool, what else are you going to tell me? That rich people earned their money and that work is a privelege, not a right?
Y'all are always so fuckin' boring, you know that? Probably from how your brain can only process the fumes of all the shit you lick from those boots.
@Grime Fork Nazi Germany fucking hated unions what are you on about
@@lainiwakura1776 I mean, you can expect half the workforce to be fired by the time unionization takes affect.
@Grime Fork This is kinda late I know, but on the Nazi Germany.
They weren't pro-Union, they actually decreased the power of unions and merged every single one of them into one state controlled (Which may be were the idea of Pro-Union comes from). Weimar Germany Vs Nazi Germany workers rights and Union were incredibly weaker, maybe in due in part that the Nazi party was kicking out the SPD and wanting to focus everything into financing a continent wide war unimpeded by strikes.
Soviets might have done something similar but I'm not that knowledgeable of that in particular.
Disney: Do something about it!
Animators: Organize union
Disney: Surprised Pikachu
ruthie tompson passed away about 2 months ago at the age of 111. rip to a queen.
Might be my favorite episode. Its cool to see Walt talked about as more of a real person with emotion and flaws, rather than the do no wrong saint Disney always presents him as. Honestly makes me appreciate him more.
Agreed, I mean it doesn't excuse them but that's what makes us human.
It makes me feel better, cuz I can be like look at the awesome stuff this flawed human accomplished. Maybe I'm not doing so bad after all.
If you really want to see him as flawed, he despised Jews with a passion and didn't allow them at Disneyland for some time.
@@jordanfry5138 That was just the default from the 1900's-1950's. XD
@@planescaped No, it really wasn't. Excusing bigotry because it was of the times is not an acceptable reading of situations. It's a way of hiding from the truth about people.
Also, even. though many people were somewhat passively bigoted, not many were as actively hateful as Disney.
Also, why the fuck is that funny to you?
> She is still enjoying retirement at the young age of 109.
HOLY SHIT. Good for her!
@@juliodicochea2927 Disney Legend Ruth Tompson, her quotes are heard throughout the video. She started in Ink & Paint working on Snow White (1937) and did work for Disney on Bambi, Sleeping Beauty, Mary Poppins, The Aristocats, Robin Hood and the Rescuers. She is also credited on the Lord of the Rings (1978). This woman truly earned the title if you ask me.
The more i look into Disney, the more it makes sense that he came to the conclusion of Epcot. So much misinformation, so much blindness to the problems. He was so perfect that he couldnt see the flaws in himself, and would never question what he knew unless forced to, and even then...
Its pretty sad.
Walt’s “get your house in order” speech is giving me the same vibes as that Kim K “get off your ass” quote everyone’s been so mad about lately. 😂
I actually learned about this in my Animation History class. Babbitt even claimed one of the ink and paint girls collapsed due to working overtime and thru lunches in order to make a living wage. We even got to hear the speech Walt gave to his employees as it was recorded when he gave it, and believe me when I say, not only could you hear the outcry from the employees in the recording, but every animation student in the class was sending scathing glares at the screen.
@Matthew Chenault The actual speech Walt gave was heard in the PBS series "American Experience: Walt Disney".
@Matthew Chenault what, your dad in management or something?
@Aspiring Marauder tbh now and days yea Unions are kinda pointless government laws pretty much made Unions kinda worthless at this point other than to keep insurance while paying a fee for them. Back then sure I get it they had much more to fight since there was a lot of practices that were not fair. But now they tend to sink more companies then to give people a fair share of what they deserve from a company.
@Matthew ChenaultWhy do you keep whining on everything mentioning the unions its kinda suspicious, are you actually walt disney's half dead severed head in real life?
@Matthew Chenault I never said I believed it. Just saying that's what Babbitt -claimed-. The documentary we watched interviewed several key figures including animators from the Disney company at the time. Babbitt was dead by the time the documentary was made, but some of his close associates that were interviewed said that's what he -claimed-.
Walt partied like it’s 1938
Sometimes you party like booze was illegal until 5 years ago.
He got his 2pac on
The big apple....OH NOW I GET THAT PART ON THE PROM EPISODE OF SPONGEBOB. When they are doing “The Sponge” the literal big apple is dancing.
Two Simpsons quotes come to mind about this video
“Hmm, studio's closed until Tuesday. Animators have A.A. on Monday.”
“Marge, someone squeezed all the life out of these kids. And unless movies and TV have lied to me, it's a crusty, bitter, old dean.”
Bless you, sir. "You can't treat the working man this way. One day we'll form a union and get the fair and equitable treatment we deserve. Then we'll go too far, and get corrupt and shiftless and the Japanese will eat us alive!" ... "If only we'd listened to that boy, instead of walling him up in the abandoned coke oven."
@@Brittshow_AK The Japanese?!
Those goldfish tenders?!
Bah! Flimshaw!
NEEEEEEERRDD!!!!!
I didn't even care about theme parks before I started watching defunctland, now I have a passion for theme park history only because defunctland and similar channels are so high quality. Love your work.
Oh thank you I'm glad you noticed this comment!
do you have any other channel recommendations? i absolutely love this channel but i've seen every video so i need more content!! :)
@@Sunshine34891 I like bright sun films and yesterworld entertainment a lot
@@Sunshine34891 Matterhorn matt! He's great
same
“3 white teenagers with era-specific names” 😂
😂
Hahah racism
Warhead Urban Exploration You...can’t be racist against white people...
And even if you could, just saying the word “white” isn’t racist.
@@CaraPicone you're an idiot if you actually think that. If it was "3 black teenagers", you people would be crying
@Carne Guisada cool story bro.
partying like a disney animator is now on my bucket list
Drinking out of spite, animal abuse, and chasing underage girls?
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How does this man able to make me want to punch Walt Disney whilst simultaneously making me pity him. Defunctland has taught me that viewing Disney as uncle Walt like The Disney company want you to isn’t the most accurate depiction of the man, but it’s definitely what Walt thought of himself which arguably is the most correct.
Mentally I have a love-hate relationship with Walt mean on one hand I think he was a creative genius and I love what he created and what he did for our culture but on the other hand I just want to beat the s*** out of them and tell him off and be like dude you can't treat people this way. He seemed to be so into himself and seem to think so highly of himself he seemed to have an whole level of self-awareness at all. But I pity him from the standpoint that he seemed to be a big man-child to maybe needed to learn a few things and didn't quite know how the real world worked or how relationships with real people worked. That's my reading of them on one hand I would have loved to have been in the same room with the man but on the other hand I wouldn't have.
Much agreed
I mean that’s typically how it is when you view historical figures. They can do both great things and terrible things. The price of being flawed human beings
@@matthewbennett9928that is the way of history they are both bad things Walt did and good things he did
Walt Disney is my idol but i can say he was not perfect
"Don't forget this- it's the law of the universe that the strong shall survive and the weak must fall by the way, and I don't give a damn what idealistic plan is cooked up, nothing can change that."
_-Walt Disney, apparent barbarian warlord_
@Matthew Chenault Kinda pointlessly cynical, though. Like, sure, power is power, but all he's really doing is telling those beneath him to know their place and not try to change the status quo now that it's somewhere that he likes. I sure hope any power I happen to gain in my life doesn't make me start doing weird supervillain speeches. Or at least a more original one than the whole "THE WEAK SHALL FEAR THE STRONG" standby
@Matthew Chenault ehhh, the people who say that always care more about inflicting pain than actually being truthful
@Matthew Chenault eh, the people who say that care more about brutality than honesty
Plus it's not even true. Changes in the balance of power are an inherent part of nature. Disney himself started off getting his own characters stolen by his more powerful employer before getting to the position he was in when he said that over-the-top supervillain speech.
Matthew Chenault How can an anime villain comment on CZcams 😳
The fact that the club is now a prison is the eeriest thing I've ever heard. It used to keep people out, now it keeps people in.
There's a metaphor in there somewhere...maybe for our country's mass incarceration crisis and appalling prison industrial complex?
@@theangryholmesian4556 Or just a massive house full of morons that when left to their own devices will make all hell break lose.
@@nickrustyson8124 You clearly don't know anything about the American prison system.
@@theangryholmesian4556 No but a bunch of prisoners left to their own devices will make all hell break loose
@@nickrustyson8124 You don't know anything about the American prison system or our current mass incarceration crisis. Begone.
Honestly as an animation student now it’s sad to say it’s still a huge boys club, and extremely competitive. Especially if you want to go into gaming.
The trick is to be the one who rides a horse at your first wrap party with them.
Assert dominance through drunken equine excellence.
(Im sorry i dont have other solutions to sexism, hope you find a good team one day, one that respects you for your work)
@@alex0589 no no, that’s solid advice
Why is it sad to say that its competetive.... ?
@@natedog69420 it’s sad to say it’s a huge boys club...
@@natedog69420 too complicated for you?
[crushing 9 of my coworkers vertebrae with a roll of animation paper] we like to have fun around here
I love that you covered this. I tell people about this party and the union strikes all the time. You did a great job putting this all together! Another great Defunctland video!
I love knowing one of my fav creators supports one of my other fav creators ❤
Oh hi Becca!
Rebecca!!!😍
Let Me Explain Studios you should do a shorter summary of the party for one of your videos
Hi bruh
Hey everyone! I am going to preempt the comment section and say that, yes, this video is a bit different than our typical Defunctland episodes, but it is incredibly important to the season and tells the story of a turning point in theme park history. I hope you'll give it a chance, and I think you'll enjoy it!
Corrections (This is not an invitation to point out minor issues with the video):
Disney History Institute is misspelled a few times in the sources.
Unknown has a typo
My brilliant audio editor Nate Begle (natebegle.com) was not credited in the video.
There's also "Unkown Animator" at 16:26
Loved this video's style and choice in music!
You should do hard rock park. Its overdue.
This is has become my favorite video of yours! Good job you and the others that worked on it!
Loved this episode good work man
I'm sorry but is no one going to comment on the fact that they wrote an entire emo song about this party?! This is next level amazing.
What song??
@@Lunaviveca At the end of the video when the credits rolled.
Oh my God those pickets signs are hilarious and beautiful. I had heard about Disney animators striking before, but I never considered what that would mean for the signs XD.
I want a closer look at the dinosaur one
How has Netflix not given you a show. Higher quality than half the stuff they have!!
Licensing would be difficult but i’d love that so much!
Carson George And let someone criticize Uncle Walt? Never!
Eh it's way better on youtube, especially with the technically legal grey area of the show.
Netflix probably wouldn’t allow him to do this as he wants
There's so much crap and myths about the Disney strike. It's easy to sensationalize since both sides were so emotionally charged and Disney is still so freaking important. But this was great! Thank you for this excellent resource and for clearing up many inaccuracies and/or embellishments.
Pardon my commenting, but don’t you think there’s a difference between protesters being emotionally charged as opposed to a conglomerate which doesn’t think for itself. Isn’t there a distinction between individuals and ideas
also nice comment, just wondering your views on that, thought I might as well respond
@@chowderslut2205 Hi, there. Thanks for the thoughtful response. I hope this clears things up. Essentially, I was critiquing the character assassinations against Walt and Art Babbitt(and other strike leaders) rather than Unions, conditions at the Disney studios, etc.
Frankly, I think Walt got more emotionally "out of hand" than the strikers, and most of the rumors about him developed in this period continue to this day. But then again, Art Babbitt was a brilliant animator but a pretty antagonizing guy who pushed Walt's buttons and not really the progressive hero people think he is.
Nevertheless, I can go on for pages about the strike, but I hope that summarizes my thoughts on the personality clash rather than ideas.
Agreed, especially the part of his lawyers giving Disney advice
@Timothy Dexter That's an oversimplification and simply untrue when you use the word "ALWAYS".
It’s so insane when you think about how Disney started with “Snow White.”
Followed by “Pinocchio.” Followed by “Bambi.” That’s three classic juggernauts back to back to back. Not surprised Disney exploded from that point to where we are now.
We think of them as juggernauts now but Pinocchio and Bambi did not make money on their first time out in fact Walt wouldn't have another financial success until Cinderella in 1950. Talked by Cinderella the studio was doing so financially poorly that if Cinderella has failed to the studio would have failed and that would have been the end of Walt Disney feature animation.
@@matthewbennett9928t’s funny how the most popular of Disneys work were the make or break it’s: snow white, Cinderella, sleeping beauty, etc
Kevin legit wrote a whole song for an episode. Dope.
Yes it’s great
It's so good! I really wish I could find it separately so I can just listen on repeat, lol -Eva
Well I’ll be damned. I clicked on this expecting the story of an epic and wild party thrown a long time ago and I got that. What I didn’t expect was this episode tackling unions, paranoid “here come the communists” Walt and basically an entire part of Disney’s life I had never heard of before.
You keep getting better and better. I swear with a bit more budget this could rival documentaries on Netflix. This is how good these are. Kudos.
Timothy Dexter calm down there, Ayn Rand. I think the Disney family turned out okay at the end. Unions were nothing but the slightest of speed bumps in the road for the mogul and the immense success he got. Workers fought for some additional rights while the founder, his kids and his grandkids, still got to be multi billionaires. And yes he was paranoid since some unionizing didn’t mean literal communists had infiltrated anything like he thought so relax.
@Timothy Dexter how dare workers want the right to collectively bargain for their own protection and pay.
While it's true that Walt wasn't happy about the union and generally held right-leaning political views, he was not the reactionary swamp creature that left-wing commentators made him out to be. The fact that he accepted the government's offer to make propaganda cartoons during WWII demonstrates he was not pro-Nazi. The fact that he hired MANY Jews both as animators and as songwriters (including the Sherman Brothers) proves he was not anti-Semitic. The fact that he hired Floyd Norman and Tyrus Wong, among others, proves he was not racist.
@@TackyRackyComixNEO give too much power to a group, and they may just abuse it...
@@yesyes-om1po like billionaires and corporations do literally every day?
Aaahahahahahaha holy shit. This video is INCREDIBLE. The care and effort you and your team put into this is palpable. The production value! The research! The original music! This isn't JUST a CZcams video, this is an honest-to-god documentary. I've long been impressed by the Defunctland project, but this installment absolutely takes the cake. God bless everyone involved because this is some top-tier shit right here.
Agreed
Seriously this is professional level stuff and I can't believe it's just sitting here on youtube for free...
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I beg to differ. Some of the "facts" are either disputable or presented in a sensational way that might warrant a libel suit.
Agreed! They can make a movie about this and I'd watch it all the time. Mix the great story telling of Blow with the insanity of Wolf of Wall Street and I'm sold!
Ever since the Disney Channel documentary, I’ve been on a binge of your stuff. This was definitely is not just a great recreation of these events and tension in Disney’s history, but also a great spoof of “college” movies, those credits giving me American Graffiti vibes. Is the end credits song on Spotify or something cause that is a JAM
UPDATE: THE SONG IS ON SPOTIFY YES
Right? Gave me major Blue Mountain State vibes (which is by far the dumbest but also somehow the best college frat show ever made)
37:58 - Additional info on the fate of Disney Animators.
Ward Kimball: Kimball would continue to work at Walt Disney Studios as an animator until his retirement in 1973 but continued to work for Disney as a Special Assignment Consultant for EPCOT at Walt Disney World. In 1989, Kimball was inducted as a Disney Legend. In 2002, Kimball passed away when he died of complications from pneumonia. He was 88. In 2005, the Disneyland Railroad named their newly acquired Engine No. 5 as "Ward Kimball" in his memory.
Fred Moore: After Moore was fired from Walt Disney Studios in 1946 due to his alcoholism, he joined Walter Lantz Productions where he redesigned the characters of Woody Woodpecker and Andy Panda. However, due to Lantz's temporary closure of the studio due to financial problems, he returned to Disney just two years later in 1948. In 1952, Moore tragically passed away when he died in a traffic accident in a highway when he and his wife were heading home after seeing a baseball game with fellow Disney animator Jack Kinney. Prior to his death, Moore was already finished animating the mermaids and the lost boys for the 1953 Disney animated film "Peter Pan." Moore was unable to see the finished film. In 1995, Moore was posthumously inducted as a Disney Legend.
Art Babbitt: After the Disney Animators' strike and serving into World War II, Babbitt filed a lawsuit against Walt Disney for his wrongful termination and unfair labor practices. He would later win the suit forcing Walt Disney Studios to rehire him only to quit to join United Productions of America where he worked on several famous award-winning animated shorts, including "Rooty Toot-Toot" and "Mr. Magoo". Babbitt would later ran the television advertising division of Hanna-Barbera and Quartet Films in the 1950s and 1960s and worked with Richard Williams Studio in London in the 1970s. In 1991, Walt Disney's nephew and Roy O. Disney's son Roy E. Disney contacted Babbitt and they ended the long-standing feud between Disney and Babbitt. Sadly, Babbitt passed away a year later in 1992 when he died of kidney failure. Babbitt's former rivals Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston gave Babbitt a warm and moving eulogy at his funeral service. In 2007, Babbitt was posthumously inducted as a Disney Legend.
Ruthie Tompson: Tompson retired in 1975 after working for Disney for almost 40 years. In 2000, Tompson was inducted as a Disney Legend. In 2017, Tompson was honored by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences for her contributions to Disney Animation and the animation industry. In 2020, Tompson became a supercentenarian when she celebrated her 110th birthday. Tompson passed away in her sleep at her Woodland Hills home in Los Angeles, California. She was 111. At the time of her death, Tompson was the last known living Disney animator to have been involved in any capacity with the making of the first four Disney animated films: "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs", "Pinocchio", "Fantasia", and "Dumbo".
OH MY GOD THE HOTEL BECAME A PRISON THAT’S HILARIOUS
And metaphoric
We laugh to keep ourself from crying
Welcom to the Hotel California now has a new meaning.
lol
🎵welcome to the Hotel Disney🎵
"there was one non-secretarial girl consistently with the boys in animation, 14 year old Marge Belcher"
oh...oh no...
So much for Art Babbitt: Labor Union Champion...
He didn't date her till she was of age, and they didn't sleep together till after marriage. This video is wrong to imply otherwise.
Lee Crowe she JUST turned 18 (what a coincidence!) when they married- and he knew her since she was 14. thats fucking creepy, and he probably groomed her dude. dont try and defend babbitt when he's a predator
@@vacuumsdotgov Thank you!
vacuum prince and they divorced only a few years later, so he most definitely groomed her and she realised when she became older and left him.
Came to learn about the wild party… stayed for the labor union history! I feel like this needs to be a movie! 😂
This original song is quite badass. Well done! All of this video, marvelous work.
do you know where can i find this song?
@@evariste_galois you can find it here: czcams.com/video/A6k4zrizims/video.html
@@fooly8674 thank you!
What's the name of the end song?
Oh no! I've been searching for where I can find the song and now I've found I got here too late 😭 -Eva
This episode is everything, so much history I knew nothing about, and an incredibly well written and funny script to get us there.
Walt Disney's micromanagement is often praised when it comes both to animation and to the parks, but nobody can know everything and truly micromanage everything, especially if there are people depending on one. It really shows how a creative person, no matter how hardworking and good in spirit, can't resist breaking under an increasing pressure. It is also worthy to note that while Disney is being critiqued for being a ruthless corporation now, the roots of such acts did not appear at random, and were there for long time already. Great documentary; and indeed, the picket signs were definitely well drawn.
I want to say "good job Babbitt" for his union efforts, but.....he courted a 14 year old, so naw.
Dude. To say nothing of yet another fantastic video, the song at the end is amazing! It's really above and beyond; for what one would probably be deemed a joke or a throwaway piece, you really brought it. It not only contains, but seamlessly integrates, the darkly humorous and well-written lyrics with a professionally-performed original song, which itself effortlessly encapsulates essences of the pop-punk genre it clearly references. I intend the following as high praise: For a few moments, I was wondering if the song was, somehow, something recorded by a "real" Blink-182-ish band, until the uncannily apropos lyrics irrefutably confirmed its originality.
Your content is, just... excellent work. I found your channel on a very recent afternoon, and I've found myself consistently enthralled by the products of the combination of your skill as a raconteur and your choice of stories to spotlight. Two thumbs way up!
TWO things that haven't changed in the past 80 years: workplace harassment and crunch
I would also add : Drunk artist at wrap parties.
But now workers have less rights and unions, if they exist at all, have much less power to help. It's true that in the US it is socialism for the most rich and capitalism for everyone else.
Out of control wrap parties, angry workers emptying open bars, riding horses into pools, etc...
Amazing video! I do think it's important to point out that while Disney was better compared to other studios, claiming he maintained good wages isn't really accurate. The animators were paid well, especially the nine old men, but the ink and paint girls were severely underpaid. One was a single mother who had to skip meals to feed her kids. She ended up passing out at work. THAT'S why Art Babbit was so insistent on higher wages for the ink and paint girls.
I think the ending was supposed to be phrased from Walt’s perspective of himself to explain why he was so jaded afterwards, but you’re still bringing up an excellent point and I wish that was more clear in the video
Yup, that’s mentioned at 5:10: “These women were performing a task that required a high level of precision and artistry. *They were paid the least* and received little-to-no credit for their work.”
Came back to this video to pay my respects and say RIP Ruthie Tompson
The amount of work that must have gone into putting this together...This is jawdropping. Thank you.
These "Disney Animators" sound strangely familiar...
Didn’t except you to watch this
HOLY SHIT IT’S YOU
Ikr? I mean, one of them sounded like Disney Dan
“this theory has been disproven every day for the last eighty years” the Defunctland water tower is full of respect women juice
I don't want to know what that tastes like...
@really bad shitvideos whats with the three incel replies all in the same week 💀
@@ladylover1134 Woman juice drinker I presume?
Time for you to tell us all about the great flavors you've experienced!
@@OdaSwifteye mommy must have failed you
@@ladylover1134 Because I didn't drink woman juice? Is "Woman juice" milk? Milk is mucus. Not juice. Did you drink a lot of woman mucus?
I really enjoyed this format, and the “where are they now?” in the credits was 😘👌
Wow I am loving this channel, stumbled upon it today and im 4 hours into watching multiple videos, they are so cohesive and well researched.
*Grandpa with his grandchildrens* : We don't make these things when I was at your age!
*Grandpa on his youth* : [doing these things]
This feels like one of those videos the algorithm loves to suggest to everyone. Hopefully I'm right because this is a great video
It better!
That low life expectancy is an AVERAGE based on the fact that many people died as children. It would've been extremely unusual for a healthy adult to drop dead by 58.
Thank you for covering the insidious union busting as well. I don't know how many times people need to learn that the moment a promising creative company grows too big for everyone to know everyone else's names, it always starts going down the gutter. When will people learn to say "that's enough, we don't need to have more stuff/money/employees/whatever, we're at the perfect amount"?
History: Walt Disney holds a commemorate field day that gets moderately out of han-
Kevin: *_THE GREEKS_*
*_JESUS CHRIST_*
*_WOODSTOCK_*
*_YOU UTTER FOOLS!!_*
*_WALT DISNEY HELD THE GREATEST PARTY IN THE WORLD!!!_*
The Walt Disney company had such a family-frendly look, you forget that the people doing the work were adults who drink, smoke, and "think" about girls. Also I love the song at the end, please make a lyric video of it.
It’s this same attitude with modern day shows. My Little Pony? There exists audio of the voice actors referencing pornography and dropping f bombs, mentioning drugs… it’s incredible to know that the people behind popular family and kid’s content are actual people.
@@thegoatcarnival Is there an article about this information for MLP?
37:55
@@nyanpirethecat2257 czcams.com/video/jTdXUxgud-4/video.html , there's a couple videos of the official audio, some may have been taken down to COPPA policies though
They're still human at the end of the day
If only Homer Simpson was in charge of the union. Negotiations would have been resolved a lot faster.
Ayyyy I love your Vids
Hired goons?
"Walt was here for none of those things, either physically or spiritually."
An excellent quote that applies to a lot of the content of this video lol