THIS MIGHT HURT Question & Answer with Dr. Howard Schubiner and Dr. Mark Lumley

Dr. Howard Schubiner (08:14):
Well, my hair I noticed is a heck of a lot grayer than it was then. And I'm a lot wiser too. Mark Lumley and I, who you'll be hearing from shortly, have worked and refined, some of these therapies. I've worked with, Allan Abbass, one of my main mentors. Helen Gordon and a bunch of other, all the other people in our community, to refine this therapy. And really it's quite different now, I would say in a variety of ways. But, the basics are still the same. The basics are making an accurate diagnosis of the cause of the pain. because if you make an accurate diagnosis people will know they're, maybe they're not actually injured. The vast majority of people with chronic pain don't have a structural problem in their body according to our research and- and my experience.
Dr. Howard Schubiner (09:09):
Then it's working to educate people about how their brain works, pain neuroscience. And then it's calming the brain, helping people to move, to be less fearful, less worried, less afraid of their pain. And then it's looking for underlying emotional issues that cause it in the first place. And we've, you know, we've been, again, refining those techniques as well, of how we do that. and, you know, we- we just try to be bold, and careful, and cautious at the same time. Maybe Mark could speak to that as well.
Marion Cunningham (09:50):
Yeah, Mark. Do you wanna say a little bit about that and also how you and Howard started developing EAET, framework?
Dr. Mark Lumley, PhD (09:58):
Be happy to. And, thanks Kent and Marion for having me on, and good to work with you again Howard. And hello to all of our friends and colleagues around the world. the issue about, risk, you know, boldness versus caution is one which we should probably come back to, 'cause I know there's questions people have about, the possibility of re-traumatizing people. I will say briefly a little piece, which is, most therapists that I know of are really cautious. And in their caution they avoid emotionally important topics. There's often two people in the room, patient and clinician, who sort of collude to not do things that are, that feel a little scary or risky.