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Hats off to Josh and Jakob for making this a refreshing and fun era of middle distance running. Everyone has their opinions but in 10-15 years we're all going to look back at this time as special.
Agreed.... People might call Jakob childish and maybe that might be right. But this is exactly what Track & Field has needed for decades to increase viewership and excitement for the sport
This whole rivalry is so unusual! You’re right, I’m guessing in the future this will be a remembered as very specific time in middle distance running!
No lines were crossed, or are you suggesting that everyone must abide to an arbitrary and biased line that you have in your mind?
I like your content though.
Hats off? Or is Jakob “wayyyy out of bounds here”?
Waiting for you to talk about Mo Katir's ban 💀
I don't know why I laughed so hard at this 😂😂
What makes you think he isn’t researching it for a video?
Yeah, I mean it just happened🤔
Not really a surprise, is it?
Nah, the most obscure athlete be getting banned and he immediately talks about it... why can't we talk about Mo 😭
No Mo Katir for the next 2yrs for whereabouts failures, but still have Jakob vs Kerr vs Wightman vs Nuguse and all the beef/trash talk in the world!
Serious about Mo Katir? One of my favourites!
@@pgmishahe’s been banned
@@matriaxpunk I know I am splitting hair but he has been suspended, not banned.
@@user-bf6ul8ok1s you're right, thanks for the correction
That's crap since Amusan failed the same criteria but was given a pass. Maybe because they don't want to taint Amusan's World Record?
This trash talking from Jakob gives me hope that his injury is not as bad as I originally thought.
Isn't Jakob always arrogant and talking down everyone else though.
He'll probably be like that when he's 45.
@@luckyspurs Only compared to other distance runners but tame compared to other athletes in other sports.
Kinda think his injury might be a way of avoiding indoors and focusing on outdoors without getting the spotlight of “skipping indoors” kinda like some athletes I races in high school would get injured a week or two before a peak race then show up and race perfectly healthy 😂
@@luckyspursnot as much arrogant as Kerr
If neither of them wins in Paris, you better be there to interview them both together.
Ultimately Jacob has the big shiny medal that Josh is dreaming of.
No doubt he'd love to add olympic gold to his world champs gold, and obvs improve on his bronze from 3 yrs ago
I think everyone forgot that Kerr was trashing Jakob and saying every big win he was paced for. But anyone watch the race? Kerr had a pacer and then let Fisher carry him until the last few laps. Bozo.
kerr is a bozo. kerr has been trash talking nonstop, he started it all. He beat Jakob when he was sick and Jakob has beaten kerr over and over and over again. kerr is nuts.
The difference here is Kerr was just pointing out a weakness in Jakob's racing strategy, he never said having a pacer was bad, just that that is the only situation where Jakob seems to run well.
@@LordFingers1 Якоб был болен в 2022 на зимнем чемпионате, когда проиграл Тефере, на летнем , когда проиграл Уайтмену, Керру Левандовски на кубке мира 2018 и зимнем чемпионате Европы. Какой болезненный парень! А может норвежцы просто не умеют достойно проигрывать?
The key being "every big win". Josh Kerr won the World Championship.
He wasn't saying he wasn't himself going to use pacers in other races, just that Jakob looks less special without them.
I think Jacob is great but I don’t think he has the kick that kerr has and I don’t think that Jacob can run from the front the whole race because you lose a second a lap front running. 1500 I mean. Jacob 5k yeah and maybe 2mile also indoor but I don’t know. Think 4-5 could win the 1500. I’m not sure how Jacob can win it without a pacer. I’m not saying he’s not a great athlete and he might even be capable of 1500wr (with a pacer) which kerr possibly can’t break (although this last race of his maybe raises that possibility). I like Jacob’s confidence, but I’m not sure if responding like that is the best way unless he can really back it up. However, maybe he 4:33 can and we shall soon find out. I still think Jacob’s got quite a bit better chance in the 5K though.
My 5k is 25 mins aged 53 so what the heck would I know!
And here we go.. video 2 of 3 about this race
My prediction: Neither one of them wins the Gold in the 1500.
Who you got winning?
@@TotalRunningProductions I’ll take the field.😜
@@TotalRunningProductions Olympics are a different beast, not unusual for one of the favourites to not get through the heats due to poor tactics.
As good as they both are, this is a great prediction. It's crazy how many runners are right up there with them.
Yared Nuguse is my choice to win the Olympic 1500m title in Paris.
Loved seeing Spencer on this video! Appreciate his insight on this too seeing as he trained with Josh.
Great video - thanks for creating it.
His girlfriend got a doping ban
Would be a shame if netflix or Amazon does not pick up this Story no matter the outcome in Paris. This is pure gold for running sports on track. They know what they do. Good boys 😉
It's getting pretty crazy and it's only February! Let's be absolutely clear about one thing........Men's 1500m Olympic Final is;
Tuesday 6th August at 9.00pm (Paris time).
This intra-Athlete banter isn't even a down payment on what went on between Coe/Ovett back in the day!
Ok boomer.
All that hype WITHOUT the internet! @@Shanham617
Will Josh and Jakob dodge each other in the same meet?
History would say yes, but don’t be fooled by not realizing how close-to-the bonetoday's athletes can train.
@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 That said, once an elite becomes "made", they will rely more on racing as a calibration tool rather than an establishment tool, and therefore, reduce reliance on racing.
Why is this being blown out of proportion? The only reason people claim there's beef is because of the media and not themselves. People keep asking them, and eventually, they end up saying something, mostly because they get tired of more questions about it. It's the same phenomenon with Ronaldo and Messi. They actually get along fine. But it's the fans who create a rivalry atmosphere, not the players themselves.
That is true, the fans are absolutely a nightmare to deal with, I actually would have been fine with Jakob before (but then I saw the video of that 1 5k championship race or whatever it was, where Jakob waved his hands to the crowd in a cocky way 150 meters left to go and then I realized Jakob isn't this "amazing angel" guy people think he is) but the fans made me absolutely wanted Jakob to lose. It's the same with Katelyn Touhy fans, they all talk trash about every one else aside from their favorite. I like Josh Kerr but I don't go around saying "oh look at that he made Grant Fisher look like he was jogging ahahahahhahahha"
Records dropping fast, I hope all these guys are clean 🙏
Love the beef, we need more
El Guerrouj’ Mile record was approached last summer but it still stands after a quarter of a century and it will stand for many more years now that that opportunity has passed
In spite of the fact El Guerrouj wore spikes that are about a second or more disadvantage to today’s. Incredible.
@@keithv3767 Right! And without the pacing provided by the lights on the track
@@sergelu That too
@@keithv3767 no bouncy track either.
I honestly think El G could've gone under 3:41 with today's tech
Kerr started this beef. He's been talking sh*t for like 2 or 3 months now, even down[playing Jakob's Olympic Gold medal. Jakob remained quiet for most of that time, and since he's not a big social network person he may not have even been aware of it till it hit Norway papers. He was probably like WTF, and it's on after that. So Kerr started in and in one interview he said I hope Jakob here's this. Well Kerr got what he was asking for so now lets see if he can handle what he gets. Plus you in the press have been praying for this, so this channel must be very happy! But one thing I know from following Jakob for so many years and watching every one of the Team I. is that Jakob doesn't get intimidated and he's always been cocky confidence since he was 11 and he thrives on competition, he got that fire from competing against the Africans from and early age and he's been competing in World Championships since he was 15. What Kerr did with all the talk early on just became bulletin Board material for Jakob. So now it's on! and lets not forget it isn't like Jakob failed in the last two World Championships. He is after all the double 5k Champ against the best of Africa and he won two silvers. Much more impressive than Kerr's one win in those two world championships!
Yeah.... but who's side are you on?? Lol 😏
It’s so crazy for him to downplay his Olympic record.
Well said
He definitely knew he was taking trash 😂
Um actually he started the beef a lil when he made a skit in the last 150 of world's 1500 semifinal
Really seems like they are making up the back and forth banter just for the extra spotlight on both of them. Which is working and kind of fun to follow.
This is just smart marketing.
Nice! I ran the steeplechase. And I certainly agree Kerr and Jacob a whole level of excellence I can only dream about.
My prediction is that either nordas or nuguse wins by sprinting them when they are distracted by each other and both their egos.
I'm glad that this rivalry is getting more & more beef, but we all know Jakob is better. He just is. It's everyone else and then there's Jakob.
I’m not sure he is at 1500m I mean he can run it fast but can’t front run as you lose a second a lap and can’t oit sprint kerr on a slo race. I think above 2k yeah but not sure he’s got the absolute speed at 1500. That’s not to say he isn’t world class. With a pacer he might break the 1500wr but the olympics can be won running slow….
I love edging to you talking about this beef
Same 🤪🤪
i freaking love it!! i want more rivalries...i am just a fan of track and i always will be.
It’s never been this GOOD! This is great for the sport!
If it was a tactic it worked. I haven’t rum since the 1990s and haven’t really watched the Olympics since Rio but I’m hooked on this rivalry!
Smack talks but backs it up. I love it. Can’t wait to see them run together. We might see drama be they see competition.
It’s great! Nostalgic back to the John Landy, Bannister versus the European who loved to stir the crowd. Puts backsides on seats
Really need the rivalry in the sport right now. Both athletes are exceptional. Coe and Ovett in the 80s were brilliant to watch. Coe the record breaker, Ovett the gutsy runner. Let’s hope they race each other a few times and don’t dodge.
I cannot wait!!!
this is getting intense
I’m team Jakob and I’m American. Josh is trying to convince himself he can do it. Jakob already did it. But game on! Let’s see it bros.
Team Josh! Much love to the Motherland!
By it, you mean winning against Jakob in a global 1,500m final. Yeah, he did it.
Yeah, I'm team Josh and English. ;)
Jakob is goat @@MrNoName7474
@@luckyspursjakob was sick when he lost to kerr its never gona happen again😂
@guyfox166 you do realise Josh is Scottish?
I remember watching Kerr at the NCAA's a few back and thinking, "that dude have some dog in him". The way he went to the well to win was amazing to watch. I knew, if he stayed in the sport, he'd be an Olympian and/or WC someday.
Did you watch the 2018 NCAA men’s 1500m final?
@troys1480 .....Sure did; but had to pull it back up to refresh my memory. Funny thing, the 1600/1500 collegiate recond holders historically don't win the NCAAs.
I like them both. This just adds some fun. Jakob's rise has definitely got me more passionate about the sport though.
7:20 i love that quote 😂
"Mama I got me one!". Do not ask me who did I beat when I beat the two mile world record holder.'. Jakob.
Nostradamus knows drama.
I would not be trash talking Kerr right now, he just has that momentum behind him
1:09 "But Nothing. and I mean Nothing compares to what jackob just said ..." 😂
IM SOOO EXCITED LOL!!!
Amazing coincidence: Last year we had a beef between KERley and JACOBs. Now we have a beef between KERR and JAKOB. I just hope this doesn't end up like last year when neither was present in the final
Jakob is 100% gona win if hes not getting virus
Ngl I love me some trash talk, especially when it is between some of the best. I'm a newer fan to Josh and love how well he has been doing, but I do think Jakob will go down as one of, if not the best ever.
I love the trash talk. Good for the sport/event.
Some mild competition is always good for the sports. But I hope all end professionally
Michael Johnson/Donovan Bailey levels of beef?
Such an entertaining rivalry
Me at midnight realizing one very loud ad to late that I put my speaker at max volume not my headphones (My parents are in the next room over)
I would love to see Jakob enter an indoor meet just to break Kerr’s indoor record. 😂
Can anyone tell me wtf happened to Timothy Cheruiyot?
Idk who is aware of the plot of Surfs Up, but this is it. Josh Kerr is the main penguin (Cody) who is alright, and Jacob is the big guy with the trophies (Tank). These two will be battling head to head at the Olympics to decide the best 1500 runner. But the guy who wins the surf contest in Surfs Up is Chicken Joe, and you may be wondering who that is. It’s Yared Nuguse. I’m done with the trash talk, I just wanna see Yared show them up.
😂😂😂😂
this reminds me of the fanchen villan arc in yt comments
It's a tossup between these two, on any given day, either one is capable of beating the other.
What is more impressive? A 2 mile outdoor WR at 7:54.10 or a 2 mile indoor WR at 8:00.67? For me, the outdoor WR is definitely more impressive.
Josh is that man haha totally agree that Jakob is doing himself no favors with the trash talk. If Josh is healthy he’s a treat on the track always👏🏾
What I think is stupid is that Josh Kerr poked at Jakob for using pacers for his world records, but Josh Kerr's 2 mile he was behind Grant Fisher the whole time till the end.
It takes two to tango.
Josh Kerr and Micheal Jordan in the same sentence no guys put some respect on MJs name
“Yackob” -Spencer Brown
Exciting days are coming ahead 😄
Not a fan of either, but Jakob does wear some dope earrings tho
With statements like this coming out through the written press, you do have to be careful about jumping to conclusions. Being a journalist myself, I know that journalists often make statements seem more exciting, or take them out of context. Josh Kerr said it himself the other day in an interview with Letsrun: "If we (athletes) talk to you for an hour, you offcourse will find some Interesting quotes.” Clearly, with the ‘trash talk hype’, journalists are now fishing for juicy quotes from these two. So don't take everything Jakob or Josh say too seriously until you hear them say someting on camera.
the glazing from spencer
Kerr's beaten Inge once, right? Who's that blabbing nonsense @ the 3-min mark? Hello? Does anyone remember Kerr promptly getting outkicked by Nuguse in Kerr's next race after the WC? Kerr even had 2 pacesetters in the Zurich race specifically to help him break the Brit record in the 1500 - after the pacers fell off, Kerr couldn't keep up with the pace lights and got outkicked by Nuguse for Nuguse's 2nd DL win of the summer. And after Inge broke another WR the next weekend, Kerr was suddenly "too tired" to run in the Pre Classic, where Inge narrowly missed his 3rd WR of the summer and set his 2nd ER of the summer in the 3K. Kerr's probably been running double thresholds ever since he got smoked in the Oslo 1500, where he finished...9th?!?
We will also see if Kerr dares to do something else than to kick for the last 100m🤣
Imagine how fast those guys would run if they used juice!
Ive beat some video games blindfolded 😅
owwwwwe he didn’t go there with the blind fold 😂
Jakob is injured in leg
This is great 😂 definitely all round good for the sport even though there will obviously be people that just prefer friendly sportsmanship at all times, this will greatly bring up excitement for the the Paris 1500m
I think that Jakob has historically proven himself stronger (ie quicker) but defeats to Kerr and Wightman in recent championship finals show that he is less versatile if the race becomes tactical. Kerr currently has the momentum but if this carries on to Paris is anyone's guess.
He lost to kerr because of fever and his much better now then he was in 2022
2022, don't you mean Wightman? He lost to Kerr in 2023. My point is track racing is not about 'the clock'. Jakob tries to grind his opponents down but that makes him vulnerable if the tactic doesn't work.@@RUNISFAST
@@tulyar57 yes he had fever in 2023 when he lost to kerr and hes much better now then when he lost to wightman in 2022
I really hope Nuguse edges them both out in the 1500 this Olympics, he’s one of my favorite athletes right now. Win it for the tortoise 🐢
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 bro
6:19 Damn, Kerr running a 1.01.51 half marathon is impressive.
Mo Farah's European record is 59.07. But Andy Butchart's PB is 1.02.15 and he's the Scottish record holder at 3,000m, 5,000m and 10,000m (and holds the world Park Run record).
Track and field’s the new boxing lol
Letsile tobogo new wr🎉
Video is up about this.🎉
Expect trash talk from sprinters. I don’t necessarily expect trash talk from middle distance and distance runners. Does this make the sport better? I don’t think so.
Why doesnt it make it better?
If anything you'd expect it more from middle distance runners, since they can actually interact with each other and impact each other's strategy and race, on the track, by how they position themselves and when they go.
Kerr is the instigator. Kerr's slander is full of personal attacks. Jacob's comment was about what he could do and did not remark anything slanderous about Kerr. Clearly Kerr is an asshole and he is one of very people at this level who is so disrespectful toward another competitor. Social media pricks are trying to turn this into something they can monetize. It may be good for your pocket book, but it is not good for the sport. Keep it professional children.
I think saying you cant run well unless you have pacers is less slanderous than saying I can beat you with a blindfold, but thats just me
This is definitely good for the sport. It brings more publicity and running needs it
Sorry, never giving credit to anything your competitors do, is being an asshole.
Kerr wins World Championship gold, Jakob claims injury, despite running 3.29. Kerr breaks a world record, Jakob claims he could run under 8 minutes for 2 miles, indoors (usually about 3 to 5 seconds a mile slower), blindfolded. Just makes Jakob look super needy.
Jakob says that he could win blindful because he had win so easy @@luckyspurs
What about Jim Ryun and Marty Liquori? Now that was a wild tussle on the track! Week after week, those two leviathans slugged it out, so to speak.
They were arch-enemies on the track when they stepped up to the starting line, but good friends off of it.
Call me out if im wrong: Kerr is the first distance runner to call his shot at a world record two months in advance. That alone is legendary.
Does anyone know Kerr's height and weight?
For Jakob to say that he must have already ran under that time. Their next meeting would be interesting. Congrats to Kerr for the WR.
Hichem still the middle distance goat
Kerr’s starting to act like he did back in ‘18 when he was @ UNM after he broke the NCAA 1500m record - watch/rewatch the 2018 NCAA men’s 1500m final to see how that season finished
good for the sport!!!
Hope Wightman hits form on the day and wins! 🏴🏴🏴🏴
Never gona happen jakob is much faster now then when he lost to wightman and he lost to kerr because of fever
@@RUNISFAST he wouldn't have run if he had a genuine fever. Sounds like a loser's excuse.
Just bring it 🎉. WR, your turn. Talk the talk, walk the walk. He’s hurting, tripping on the fact that a WR was done. I’m waiting for you at the Olympics!
If he would have ran through the tape, he probably would have run under 8:00
I wouldnt be surprised if we heard sometime in the future that these two agreed to have some beef to amp up the hype for the Paris Olympics
5:15 Mo Farah getting credit for indoor/outdoor on the same race there?
Where did spencer brown call it?
In my texts
Nothing is more deadly than a long distance Brit at an Olympic final though. Watch their next match up and see Jakob fold
I have learned that any negativity directly at other athletes in our sport has never been a good thing. Having two athletes at this level is good for the sport. Treating each other like children is not. The level of sportsmanship in track and field is what differentiates track from the trash talking high gloating team sports we see on mainstream media.
Jakob is still a kid and improving each year just because he’s getting older and of course due to accumulative training. He will always win a time-trail style world record attempt. Jacob will beat this WR next indoor season and better his other PB/WRs.
Jakob is the best! Kerr started it
Indoors....SO WHAT! Kerr is peaking early....thats good for Jakob.....lets not forget a healthy Jacob has yet to be beaten....he's still the danger man!!!
I agree. Olympic season, this is early.
Or, alternatively, this is Kerr not peaking, just running fast while training hard. Could be either, so far as I know.
Kerr literally said he wasn't running particularly well, when he ran the 8.00.67, hence why he sat behind Fisher so long.
Because it was his first race of the year.
@@luckyspurs😂
That would be amazing. I would love to see that. It is only his first race so from that standpoint that is promising. @@RichardIILionheart
Jakob is obviously pissed and tbh I think he's going to crush Kerr's record now and will further ignite the rivalry. This is like rocket fuel for him.
It’s hard to believe Jakob is suspended for PED’s
I think it would be interesting to blindfold both of them and see who wins.
I'd take a whole new set of medalists than listen to their back-and-forth. No me importan sus palabras el uno sobre el otro.
Sounds to me like you’re on Team Kerr as well..
Kerr is a one trick pony. He's had 2 big wins (1 as a junior) in international competition . JI's had 20. How many 3000m has Kerr won? or 5000m?
The trick being that he's now a 3.29 runner (potentially 3.28 the way he looks this season) with a brilliant final Jakob can't compete with.
Sounds like a pretty good trick. One Ingebrigtsen's got a way harder task than his fans pretend, getting the better of.
Short distance runners:😡💢👿
middle distance runners:😠😒👊
marathon runners:😁😀😐