True Detectives: Police reveal details of the underbelly killings (2015) | Four Corners

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  • This joint Four Corners/Fairfax report from 2015 revealed damning evidence that the investigations of key gangland murders in Victoria were deeply flawed, undermining the criminal justice system in the state.
    Terry Hodson and Carl Williams were career criminals. Hodson was shot twice in the head by a killer who'd come to his home with no apparent sign of a break-in. Williams was bludgeoned to death while in jail.
    Two murders - six years apart, both linked by key facts. Each was a police informant; both had made serious allegations of police corruption; both were killed with police acutely aware both men were in danger.
    Despite the extraordinary circumstances of the deaths, it's still not clear who ordered their killing. To this day, no one has been convicted of the murder of Terrence Hodson and his wife Christine.

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  • @richardgraham2303
    @richardgraham2303 Před 3 lety +245

    Moral of the story is don't ever be a witness to anything in Australia because if the criminals don't get you the police will . That whole force needs sacked . Corruption seems to be rife.

    • @junecooper4688
      @junecooper4688 Před 2 lety +17

      Corruption seems rife in the police force

    • @tmckboston417
      @tmckboston417 Před 2 lety +16

      Dale should be in........

    • @MrFrosty888
      @MrFrosty888 Před 2 lety +5

      yep but what people dont get or see clear as day the police started it all with supplying the chemicals for these scumbags

    • @tmckboston417
      @tmckboston417 Před 2 lety +5

      Dale is a narcissistic person!

    • @MentokTheMindTaker
      @MentokTheMindTaker Před 2 lety +4

      They didn't want to go into witness protection, so they got what they got.

  • @petervonstamer7859
    @petervonstamer7859 Před 3 lety +110

    As soon as Karl Williams finished giving up information on criminals and started giving information on currpt Police he gets killed and neither of the 2 guards that were ment to be watching the monitor noticed anything for around 30min

    • @hopsta5628
      @hopsta5628 Před 3 lety +9

      @It doesn’t matter What your name is Some people do because they detest corrupt cops who organise murder, not many care about Williams but they are concerned about killer cops.

    • @fredfletcher9966
      @fredfletcher9966 Před 2 lety +15

      Oh yeah .Giving up dirty cops is a death sentence for sure. Remember Roger Rogerson....

    • @BradleyFerguson-oi5ym
      @BradleyFerguson-oi5ym Před 3 měsíci

      WTF, he gave up Dale, then other criminals.
      Williams said Dale paid $150 K cash for the hit. Was this investigated. I doubt it.
      Over the past 20 odd years, corruption investigators have taken the stories of criminals for granted. No investigation into the stories. That’s what politics, thanks Nixon,, did to policing

    • @Michael-dp2yd
      @Michael-dp2yd Před 2 měsíci

      Cops are worse than normal criminals because they are hypocrites as well, there’s a lot too. Don’t get me started on the correction officers their mentality are worse than prisoners 🤢

    • @allencraigie5009
      @allencraigie5009 Před 27 dny

      Snitches get st...es

  • @deadfarang
    @deadfarang Před 4 lety +234

    Don't be a Police informant is the message in this video.

    • @johnowens2392
      @johnowens2392 Před 4 lety +6

      your friggin everywhere DF... just been watching a classic DF vlog then this appears so i watch this have a look at the comments and the one and only DF is here!

    • @deadfarang
      @deadfarang Před 4 lety +4

      @@johnowens2392 Good vid this one JO. I've always had an interest in true crime for as long as i can remember.

    • @johnowens2392
      @johnowens2392 Před 4 lety +2

      @@deadfarang yes same here...watched all the underbellys and all the true crime stories etc...

    • @ABCNewsIndepth
      @ABCNewsIndepth  Před 4 lety +13

      Have you seen our A Dog Act doco? czcams.com/video/9qcTjsXOJQc/video.html

    • @johnowens2392
      @johnowens2392 Před 4 lety +2

      @@ABCNewsIndepth have now ..thanks..very interesting...

  • @claudedib6324
    @claudedib6324 Před 3 lety +22

    Remember Quote from Ned Kelly Victoria Police biggest criminals in Australia nothing changed all these years later

  • @kenn1936
    @kenn1936 Před 3 lety +29

    Rocco got a phone call from Carl's cell mate telling him that Carl was dead, BEFORE, prison staff knew he was dead!!!! Rocco is also a suspect!!

    • @RS_Princess90
      @RS_Princess90 Před 3 měsíci

      Obviously because of him Carl is dead he paid and ordered the hit I can guarantee you and the one that killed him hates informers you heard him.

    • @tongpomegatron
      @tongpomegatron Před dnem

      Prison staff know everything wink wink

  • @s3tTz
    @s3tTz Před 3 lety +71

    “Carl’s done himself a mischief!”

  • @neojon4871
    @neojon4871 Před 3 lety +49

    Pau Dale is protected because someone higher up is implicated.

    • @dawgwithabone6826
      @dawgwithabone6826 Před 2 lety +5

      Yep, many of them & one kingpin is Chairman Chandrews.

    • @BradleyFerguson-oi5ym
      @BradleyFerguson-oi5ym Před 3 měsíci

      Her name is Christine Nixon. She warned off governments in her tenure, of 2 Royal Commissions, lied to the Bushfire Royal Commission and Lawyer X Royal Commission, accepted free flights from Qantas and much more to politicise the Force. Had Bracksy on her side after the cover up involving the collision involving Nick Bracks, who was off his face in cocaine.

    • @danieljonesjones8047
      @danieljonesjones8047 Před 2 měsíci +1

      It's a daisy chain

  • @alanwhately2778
    @alanwhately2778 Před 3 lety +56

    Whilst growing up in Sydney in the 60's my parents used to tell us kids "if you ever get into trouble look for a policeman" but as i got older and had kids of my own i used to tell my kids "if you get into trouble tell me or my friends" and the reason for that was "there are more criminals in the police force than there are in prison !!!!

    • @syria384able
      @syria384able Před 3 lety +1

      Wow

    • @cinthiafraser4533
      @cinthiafraser4533 Před 3 lety +2

      Very true,and it's lime that all over the world.

    • @Elguapo93
      @Elguapo93 Před 2 lety +2

      Lol righto

    • @lukespector5550
      @lukespector5550 Před 2 lety +3

      Here in Newcastle, NSW, I couldn't understand why my cousin Michael & colleagues in the Police Force always ate McDonald's for free (King. St & Broadmeadow restaurants). They had to be in uniform, do a visual "lap of honor" & then walk inside to order. This was from 1992 - 2001. THOUSAND$$$ of free food monthly for making these joints look "family friendly" & "safe" for single women was the argument!

    • @RME007
      @RME007 Před rokem

      What fantastic advice to give to your children…if you’re that stupid, how have they turned out? 😂

  • @arthurneddysmith
    @arthurneddysmith Před 4 lety +108

    11:54 Cops: "Yeah, we thought about looking after the people who were about to give evidence against other police, but we couldn't really be bothered. So ... yeah, people are dead."

    • @dartanion0075
      @dartanion0075 Před 4 lety +7

      Discusting isn't it.

    • @anonamus7404
      @anonamus7404 Před 4 lety +3

      dartanion 007 your spelling is what’s disgusting lol

    • @dr.x121
      @dr.x121 Před 4 lety +5

      Idk about the spelling (mistake, kid, other country, etcetera would explain that!) ANYW. -> UNIMPORTANT COMPARED TO MY QUESTIONS IN THIS CASE!

    • @dr.x121
      @dr.x121 Před 4 lety +3

      THIS KIND OF STUFF HAPPENS IN RUSSIA ASO.!
      IT'S NOT OK BUT WE ARE USED TO IT... SO 1. OF MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE:
      IF THIS IS POSSIBLE IN AUSTRALIA!
      Then WHO'S NEXT❔❓❔
      Where does it StoP???

    • @dartanion0075
      @dartanion0075 Před 4 lety +4

      @@dr.x121 fanks for dat.

  • @Spunky786
    @Spunky786 Před 3 lety +88

    If Carl Williams just offered up a gold mine of information, the last thing I would do is to leave him in prison with other inmates, doesn't take a genius to figure that out

    • @Christizm
      @Christizm Před 2 lety +5

      lol so true pretty much straight after it happened he ended up getting murdered it was only a matter of time though even if he didn’t say anything he signed a death sentence once he ended up in Prison it was a ticking time bomb on when he would get killed in or out of jail.

    • @zenthomas9180
      @zenthomas9180 Před 2 lety +10

      As Big Mark Read once said “Carl Williams “ was a cherub faced wobbly bottomed boy who wouldn’t be safe in any jail in the country “ R.i.P Chopper

    • @iwillnotcomply2002
      @iwillnotcomply2002 Před 2 lety +2

      Got what he deserved

    • @dxfifa
      @dxfifa Před 2 lety

      @@zenthomas9180 Chopper read was a fraud and a liar

    • @clazza65
      @clazza65 Před rokem +2

      And the CCTV "failed" the moment it happened. Sure...

  • @rebeccakenworthy4623
    @rebeccakenworthy4623 Před 3 lety +208

    This guy is leaving a key piece of information out of this story... The way they manipulated Terry into becoming an informer was threatening that Terry's son would do a lengthy stint in jail for the large amount of ecstasy he was caught with if Terry didn't become an informer and help them with information. This detective is partly responsible for Terry's death too. They don't care about the safety of their informers, as long as the get "the bad guy"- everything else is just collateral damage

    • @yyxy.oncesaid
      @yyxy.oncesaid Před 3 lety +21

      That ain't threatening.His son was going to go to prison.Terry was given an opitunity to help his son.♠️

    • @rebeccakenworthy4623
      @rebeccakenworthy4623 Před 3 lety +18

      @@yyxy.oncesaid You call it what you want

    • @rebeccakenworthy4623
      @rebeccakenworthy4623 Před 3 lety +23

      @@yyxy.oncesaid The fact of the matter is it's the cops fault Terry got murdered and a certain former detective had Carl knocked when he was going to testify into police corruption

    • @robertrinaldi8748
      @robertrinaldi8748 Před 3 lety +7

      @@yyxy.oncesaid You're right actually. The cops made Hodson an offer to help jeep his son from a lengthy prison sentence. That's not a threat, it's an inducement.

    • @IllIlllI
      @IllIlllI Před 3 lety +8

      @@robertrinaldi8748 the only “difference” between a threat and an inducement is which side of the law you are on...
      It’s always do x for y, only thing changing is morality and that’s down to individual

  • @NancyDrewCasebook
    @NancyDrewCasebook Před 4 lety +14

    Excellent thoroughly researched

  • @WesternAustraliaNowAndThen
    @WesternAustraliaNowAndThen Před 3 lety +43

    Anyone who has ever lodged a complaint about police corruption will tell you how quickly they close ranks and protect unethical (even criminal) conduct. As far as I am concerned the only difference between the cops and the crooks is a uniform...

    • @Jack-gn4gl
      @Jack-gn4gl Před 2 lety

      The tall man, watch that documentary

    • @RME007
      @RME007 Před rokem

      😂

    • @BBD_Kman-wc7jh
      @BBD_Kman-wc7jh Před 7 měsíci

      Grow up !!!

    • @WesternAustraliaNowAndThen
      @WesternAustraliaNowAndThen Před 7 měsíci

      LOL just wait until you are on the wrong end of their corrupt behaviour - I still have ALL the documents relating to it. @@BBD_Kman-wc7jh

    • @Hayden-qp4tr
      @Hayden-qp4tr Před 13 dny

      @@BBD_Kman-wc7jhhe is 100% right. You need to WAKE UP

  • @markshaggy7914
    @markshaggy7914 Před 4 lety +87

    Victorian police force is a disgrace. That ‘home security’ system with the VCR tapes was like something out of a comedy.
    How would you feel being this poor Murray Gregor bloke? Knowing that there are coppers above dale at the time who were in... it would be soul destroying. No wonder he quit the force.

    • @fredfletcher9966
      @fredfletcher9966 Před 2 lety +1

      They really cared about their informants+ protecting them --NOT Once they roll... they hang em out to dry or die...

    • @simplesimon4717
      @simplesimon4717 Před rokem

      Read Sir Ken Jones' statement. Read George Brouwer first OPI Director Report on VicPol. Read Coroner George Johnstone Report re Jennifer Tanner Inquest.

    • @RS_Princess90
      @RS_Princess90 Před 3 měsíci

      The police force everywhere is disgraceful even the courts judge and justice system all corrupted

  • @TheLargino
    @TheLargino Před 4 lety +28

    Paul Dale sounds like Roger Rogerson.

  • @6LTRBENandSHAR00
    @6LTRBENandSHAR00 Před 2 lety +25

    If my parents asked me to go into witness protection and I didnt and they were both executed like that I couldnt live with the guilt. Nothing would have stopped me protecting my family members. I guess shes lucky she wasnt with them when it happened...

    • @sgc60
      @sgc60 Před rokem +3

      My Dad could be killed by the police or the criminals, I think it will be the police but hey, im not moving 🤷🤷

    • @jeremybradley559
      @jeremybradley559 Před rokem

      Well his daughters were both halfwits

  • @np4773
    @np4773 Před 3 lety +21

    Most Police have a License to Commit Crimes...across every Police Department. Someone should do a study/investigation.

    • @frankystarrz
      @frankystarrz Před 2 měsíci

      The security they gave Hodsen was stone age. That det knew it. It's not dollars and cents? It's dollars and sense. This cop KNEW Hodson was dead. He gave him a camera and video tapes for defence. Wow

  • @petemchardy619
    @petemchardy619 Před 4 lety +15

    unbelievable man sum of the stuff that go's on unbelievable

  • @BAROMETERONE
    @BAROMETERONE Před 4 lety +108

    Murray Gregor. Serious bravery and moral conviction. One in a million. Maybe one in a billion. Hats off to you.

    • @NxDoyle
      @NxDoyle Před 4 lety +8

      That's one hell of a leap, million to billion. If one in a million, that means there are just under 7000 people on the planet who share his bravery. If one in a billion, there aren't even seven.
      One million seconds = about 12 days. One billion seconds = over 31 years.

    • @BAROMETERONE
      @BAROMETERONE Před 4 lety +42

      @@NxDoyle Lol. My apologies. I wasn't aware my figure of speech would be such a bone of contention when describing a rare person of quality. I never would have know the difference had you not pointed that out. Thanks

    • @rydo85celticfc9
      @rydo85celticfc9 Před 4 lety +6

      Nx Doyle shut up ya maggot

    • @weldy7018
      @weldy7018 Před 4 lety +4

      hahaha nice!

    • @BAROMETERONE
      @BAROMETERONE Před 3 lety +9

      @@junaidlaw The witness was asked to go into witness protection but his daughter refused essentially leaving the man exposed. If he went in without her, she would be the target. He had no other alternative. Had she played along the whole thing may have turned out very different.
      As far as stolen files, comon. Anyone in the police force that can use a computer can gain access if they are resourceful enough.
      While I don't support everything police do, in this case I see no reason to blame the officer here. He laid everything out and definitely tried to do his job within those constraints. I feel you are misjudging this man. Not only did he have the integrity to make a complaint against others within his organization, he then himself became a target.
      I think you better rewatch the video to determine who the villains are in this scenario.
      It's not Murray Gregor.

  • @JohnnyDogs1978
    @JohnnyDogs1978 Před 2 lety +35

    I hope Terry's daughter does feel guilt for being selfish, just been married with a baby, they take babies and husband's in witsec, her life was worth more to her than her parents lives. She knew the danger was real. She knew there were multiple murders within her father's circle of associates, she knew that parts of corrupt po)ice wanted him dead, other drug dealers wanted him gone because he'd snitched on them. Unbelievably selfish, knowing he wouldn't go into witsec without her was as good as killing her parents herself. All that doesn't excuse the police for their shoddy work, just doing a half decent security system in the home would've made things harder. Her and her attitude just grind my gears.

    • @leshgooo1016
      @leshgooo1016 Před rokem +1

      Exactly she has blood on her hands too. What a tool she is.

    • @kalebcotter197
      @kalebcotter197 Před rokem +1

      She got paid not to go I reckon

  • @ISCDESIGNAustralia
    @ISCDESIGNAustralia Před 4 lety +40

    ..then the penny drops..and we realise the Police Force IS the biggest gang in Australia smh

    • @mccranahan747
      @mccranahan747 Před 2 lety

      Same with America 😔 i NEVER thought id see this in my lifetime but its coming. Its about to get real bad real fast i think not fear.

  • @tonganc4868
    @tonganc4868 Před 4 lety +32

    the daughter has to live with the guilt for the rest of her life, her kids are going to grow up and ask her what happend to their grandparents. What a selfish women only thought about her self and not her parents

  • @bobbypaluga4346
    @bobbypaluga4346 Před 4 lety +112

    Every cop should be routinely random drug tested as well as a yearly polygraph exam covering all phases of corruption practices. We give these people too much power not to realize they will and do overuse brutal force, steal money and valuable items from crime scenes, and claim overtime pay they don’t deserve. An FBI detective left after 15 years and began working for my company. I hired him and I’d do it again enthusiastically. He is a man of high character and no compromise who left the FBI rather than succumb to the same temptations that had turned other agents into criminals themselves.

    • @smolgok384
      @smolgok384 Před 4 lety +14

      Polygraphs are not accurate, hence why they're not admissible in court

    • @bobbypaluga4346
      @bobbypaluga4346 Před 4 lety +2

      Look Chauncey nobody is talking about going to court. In my US you lose your badge if you fail a polygraph, it has nothing to do with criminal charges. You’re like a talking doll out of the ‘60s. You know the type you pull a string and the doll “says” something. When you read polygraph you pull your own string and out come “inadmissible in court”. If I’d mentioned that a killer should never again see the light of day you’re going to say “Innocent until proven guilty”. Stupid knee jerk response, not relevant

    • @samsmith3012
      @samsmith3012 Před 4 lety +13

      Polygraphs are useless. Anyone can cheat them - especially a corrupt cop who's well rehearsed at lying

    • @donaldsmith3926
      @donaldsmith3926 Před 4 lety +1

      @Snaggle Toothed ...or Hansen with the FBI.

    • @mickyzzzeee
      @mickyzzzeee Před 2 lety +4

      They’d be none left

  • @caeserornothing
    @caeserornothing Před rokem +3

    This is like the movie training day and Paul Dale is Denzel Washington

  • @boota8881
    @boota8881 Před 4 lety +66

    My dad has a friend who is a cop, I'm 31 now but I'll never forget when I was about 6 or 7 and my dad's copper friend was over and he said to my dad " the whole police force is corrupt"
    A few years ago my friends mate got done with 40000 pills and 40000 win cash in his car. When he went to court he was charged for 20000 pills and 20000 in cash...both of these happened in Vic.

    • @dianarosalindland1566
      @dianarosalindland1566 Před 3 lety +14

      @Stalk I was busted by border patrol in Texax, driving from California with legally obtained medical grade cannabis. I had 3 pounds but booked for one. They also stole expensive gardening equipment that was on the roof of my car and was not listed on the property sheet nor returned. Naturally, I did not complain about the under-reportage. That's how they get away with it. Who is going to say "but officer, I had THREE pounds of weed, not just one!" (BTW, my case was dismissed when I proved my medical condition.)

    • @markwoolgar2781
      @markwoolgar2781 Před 3 lety +6

      Your mate should’ve got a receipt when the police took the pills and cash. Then in court show that and he would’ve walked and police would’ve been in big trouble. Had a friend who it happened to also but he was smart enough to ask for an evidence receipt

    • @hopsta5628
      @hopsta5628 Před 3 lety +6

      My cousin was growing dope in a couple of underground shipping containers, he was growing it with two detectives from the Hastings police station on the Mornington Peninsula, he was busted twice with very large amounts of marijuana at his home, but the containers were left untouched, on each occasion the amounts he was busted with were not the same amounts used in evidence at court, he should have been charged with trafficking commercial amounts of marijuana, which was 50 pounds or more at the time, the amounts presented to the court were 5 and 7 pounds, the second time he was busted one of the cops, who just happened to be sleeping with my cousin's younger sister, kept the crops growing for about 3 months until my cousin was released from prison, both the detectives are well known for sexually assaulting women and teenage girls at the police station and for robbing local drug dealers, but as usual all complaints were ignored by VicPol. One young lass who persisted in her allegations against them was beaten very badly by several Hastings cops who burst into her home and flogged everyone in the house, quite severely, it took a few years before the cops were named and shamed and sent to work in other parts of Victoria, well away from Hastings.

    • @benjijarman
      @benjijarman Před 2 lety +1

      @@markwoolgar2781 Even during the recorded interview they mention how much and what you are caught in possession with.

    • @rodneyhulme3649
      @rodneyhulme3649 Před 2 lety +2

      It happens in nsw also

  • @deanfitz1985
    @deanfitz1985 Před 4 lety +16

    Only person guilty here is the daughter,her selfish ways meant her dad wouldn't go into protection,had he not died none of this would of happened.
    So i hope she lives with that guilt forever.
    The corruption is plain and simple but she made the wrong choice

    • @Hanzey1966
      @Hanzey1966 Před 2 lety +5

      So..... its not Dads fault, being a Criminal at the First place ??

  • @whooshkaboomie
    @whooshkaboomie Před 4 lety +63

    Victorian Police has always been sub standard. Just a State run Security firm.

  • @laurhawk
    @laurhawk Před 3 lety +14

    There’s clearly SO MUCH wrong with Australian police. The reason the gangs continued their brutality is because police happily jumped into their pockets for some extra $ as they’re underpaid!

    • @whatilearnttoday5295
      @whatilearnttoday5295 Před 2 lety +3

      Those "gangs" are working directly for the senior police kingpins as hired muscle.

  • @grantkearney6354
    @grantkearney6354 Před 2 lety +19

    Paul Dale. Australia's #1 Gangster of all time.

    • @justinsmith4562
      @justinsmith4562 Před rokem +1

      No

    • @grantkearney6354
      @grantkearney6354 Před rokem +1

      @@justinsmith4562 Yeah. Probably just in the wrong place at the wrong time, like 100 times. Pure coincidence. GTFO

  • @alirramckay6048
    @alirramckay6048 Před 3 lety +14

    she killed her parents by being stubborn and not going into witness protection! and blames the police🤣🤣

  • @terrifryday3641
    @terrifryday3641 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Ron iddles is an Australian effing legend of a detective

  • @RareGem369
    @RareGem369 Před 11 měsíci +8

    Anyone else here read the book called Filthy Rat by former detective Simon illingworth? It’s a tell all biography about his time in the Melbourne police force and how he climbed the ranks to become an inside investigator of police corruption. Very eye opening read!

  • @astroemerald3175
    @astroemerald3175 Před 3 lety +9

    Hasn’t their been a cloud over Vic police for decades ?

  • @peterjongsma2779
    @peterjongsma2779 Před 3 lety +8

    At least 4 corners allows comments.
    60 Minutes definitely doesn't.
    Why?

    • @xpresslane173
      @xpresslane173 Před 3 lety +4

      public opinion doesnt always fit your personal agenda

    • @missjustice2730
      @missjustice2730 Před 3 měsíci

      Because only one has credible journalism

  • @pypes88
    @pypes88 Před 3 lety +22

    How can Miss Nicky live with herself?

  • @ericshingles
    @ericshingles Před 4 lety +70

    Charlie and Murray, last of the "real" cops

  • @Nugliscious
    @Nugliscious Před 4 lety +23

    "Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." Walter Scott

  • @ballzy123owen2
    @ballzy123owen2 Před 4 lety +11

    That crooked cop Miechel gave his sister money buy her house in 2003/2004 I wonder where the money came from🤣🤣

  • @soyuzdavillan721
    @soyuzdavillan721 Před 3 lety +12

    Murray Gregor talks like he's trying to hold back a lifetime of dreadful memories 😂😂😂

  • @bayi-gubi
    @bayi-gubi Před 4 lety +22

    If she went into witnesses protection the hodgsons would still be here.

  • @scottmahoney3147
    @scottmahoney3147 Před 3 lety +9

    32mins 15secs "when we find evidence of it, we will pursue it".
    Don't you need to pursue an allegation to find evidence?
    Geez, even when they speak, you can hear the cover up in their voices and words. They don't even realise they have a tell. Might as well have a big neon sign above their heads saying 'GET YOUR CORRUPTION HERE!!'

  • @tammyking-robinson3112
    @tammyking-robinson3112 Před 3 lety +6

    Im from America and I watch alot of stuff from this country but I feel like the COPS killed him the co in jail definitely did it or they let other inmates do it why where the cameras off in the worst prison hmm fishy 🐟 fishy 🐟

  • @davidgladwin5953
    @davidgladwin5953 Před 4 lety +39

    The prison officers were paid to turn a blind eye as Carl Williams was beat to death in his cell

    • @ianinvan
      @ianinvan Před 4 lety +3

      Not beaten ... he slipped.

    • @kgem76
      @kgem76 Před 4 lety +11

      Thats ok, a man that can order a hit in front of children deserves all he gets.

    • @stuartmalcolm1191
      @stuartmalcolm1191 Před 3 lety +2

      Yeah, coz Paul Dale had contacts in Super Max!!!

    • @rejeanneusher9419
      @rejeanneusher9419 Před 3 lety +1

      In the Gym "

    • @robjj5373
      @robjj5373 Před 3 lety +1

      @@rejeanneusher9419 his cell. There was gym equipment in there among other things like pool tables

  • @tyrese2112
    @tyrese2112 Před 3 lety +34

    Ron Iddles knows much more than he says,keeps to himself because he doesn’t trust the drug squad at all.

    • @andrewmartin7076
      @andrewmartin7076 Před 3 lety +5

      He's the 1 good cop / ex cop

    • @tynellesharratt463
      @tynellesharratt463 Před 3 lety

      Me mate Iddles 😍

    • @hopsta5628
      @hopsta5628 Před 3 lety +3

      Iddles was involved in the murder of Graham Jenson at at Pakenham Vic, when the armed robbery squad surrounded his car and shot him as he was driving through a car park, of course the cops claimed Jenson pulled a gun on them so they were forced to kill him with shotguns, the killing resulted in the two young newbie cops being murdered on Walsh street South Yarra, in retaliation against the Victoria police by Jenson's mates, the armed robbery squad was a murderous criminal organisation in its own right at the time, they didn't take prisoners when conducting raids on suspected armed robbers.

    • @benjijarman
      @benjijarman Před 2 lety

      @@hopsta5628 Plus the subsequent murders of Gary Abdallah and Jed Houghton. Those were wild times!

    • @jimmywazlickowzki6049
      @jimmywazlickowzki6049 Před 2 lety

      @@hopsta5628 he was shot in narre Warren you have no idea what your talking about just keep paying your taxes and keep your I'll informed opinions to yourself

  • @bradbutcher3984
    @bradbutcher3984 Před 4 lety +10

    Sounds like 90% of the force is crooked.

  • @kinkynightmare4705
    @kinkynightmare4705 Před 3 lety +9

    Victoria police - “STOP! ......*bang bang bang* .......Police!!”

  • @TomEnduro
    @TomEnduro Před 4 lety +15

    Those shells weren't picked up and put on the bodies, they were taken out of the gun and put on the bodies... Those shells are for a revolver, not a semi-auto which would eject the shells..

    • @harryricochet8134
      @harryricochet8134 Před rokem

      The moving pictures are a recreation filmed for the doco. The actual crime scene pictures are the still shots that are only shown briefly and which have the victims heads blurred.

    • @clazza65
      @clazza65 Před rokem +2

      Did the coppers still use revolvers back then ? I can't recall when Glocks came in. They would have willingly opened their door for a cop they knew and trusted. Just a theory.

    • @miguelsanchez6370
      @miguelsanchez6370 Před rokem

      @@clazza65 Rodney Sid Collins murdered them on behalf of certain police

  • @_Meng_Lan
    @_Meng_Lan Před 9 měsíci +2

    Still miss Kerry O'Brien

  • @chrishyland7144
    @chrishyland7144 Před 4 lety +5

    Underground/Overland is looking like the same thing!

  • @tommytrinder.1226
    @tommytrinder.1226 Před 2 lety +5

    " 36 people killed in 12 years ".Thats two weeks in Baltimore,or a weekend in the summer in Chicago.

    • @nos4me
      @nos4me Před rokem +1

      Look at the size of melbourne in the late 90s/early 00s and it’s a lot

    • @stevesalkas9128
      @stevesalkas9128 Před rokem

      That's 25 million to 380 million

    • @kazgreenham1877
      @kazgreenham1877 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Its a hell of a lot in a country where guns are illegal.

  • @benjamin4894
    @benjamin4894 Před 3 lety +37

    I still can't get over the fact that, in this day and age, a crim like that Mathew Johnson could gain access to someone as high profile as Carl Williams - in Victoria's most secure correctional facility - and not one screw was so much as stood down. What an absolute disgrace!

    • @ronaldinho5860
      @ronaldinho5860 Před rokem

      Well you must not be the sharpest tool in the shed then. It was clearly planned and a set up to stop him from testifying.

    • @jimreily7538
      @jimreily7538 Před 10 měsíci +18

      Carl Williams was beaten to death with something he'd tried his whole life to avoid: exercise equipment.

    • @osicpms2539
      @osicpms2539 Před 9 měsíci +5

      well a killer killing a killer? Who cares !

    • @SOUTHEASTALLDAY
      @SOUTHEASTALLDAY Před 8 měsíci +1

      Bruzz😂😂😂

    • @AntoninusPius17
      @AntoninusPius17 Před 8 měsíci

      Inside job. Just like every politicised death.

  • @stevomulzy8300
    @stevomulzy8300 Před 3 lety +6

    The first thing you learn is to not talk to police

  • @amyjojinkerson5668
    @amyjojinkerson5668 Před rokem +3

    they really do a good job in protecting informants

  • @kosta8129
    @kosta8129 Před 3 lety +6

    The greed for money!!!!!!
    That's why this world is fkddddddd up...

  • @serenaleaghgrace5023
    @serenaleaghgrace5023 Před rokem +1

    great report

  • @mrfreeman254
    @mrfreeman254 Před 2 lety +6

    There must be more Police officers involved in this saga....

  • @sonicvictory
    @sonicvictory Před 4 lety +10

    Convicts dont view snitching against cops the same. Theres clearly high up corruption to allow the snitch be killed in prison. It was a planted cop that tried to get the snitch to snitch on others in the first place. Staying focussed on the corrupt cop would have been the prosecuters objective.

    • @Elguapo93
      @Elguapo93 Před 2 lety +3

      That Paul dale would of had him killed.

    • @noelettemason7065
      @noelettemason7065 Před 2 lety +2

      That's what I thought. That Paul Dale couldn't afford to have him.alive and spilling his guts.

  • @jamessmyth5949
    @jamessmyth5949 Před rokem +4

    Drugs, criminals and corrupt Police. Those three things are what Victoria are all about.

  • @leesmith813
    @leesmith813 Před 2 lety +2

    Did Dale order the hit on Williams to shut him up?

  • @lonestarrdjbrannan7318
    @lonestarrdjbrannan7318 Před rokem +2

    30 people in 12 years ? That’s one weekend in Chicago

  • @nichobee
    @nichobee Před 3 lety +3

    Using an iPhone 5 in an re-enactment of 2003 😂

  • @greggraime2738
    @greggraime2738 Před 2 lety +4

    No govt anywhere in Australia has the balls to empower the police to punch massive holes into the supply side of the drug problem. Decriminalisation is not the answer. Booze is our biggest drug of addiction in Australia and it's legal.

  • @madness6780
    @madness6780 Před 8 měsíci

    Wish more people were understanding,lost my father through dementia x

  • @sheriashley7692
    @sheriashley7692 Před měsícem +1

    Never been any Royal Commission into VicPol (unlike NSW) there should have been. How many corrupt cops are still serving?? What is going on now that we don’t know about??

  • @jimreily7538
    @jimreily7538 Před 10 měsíci +5

    Carl Williams was beaten to death with something he'd tried his whole life to avoid: exercise equipment.

  • @anthonyhislop3006
    @anthonyhislop3006 Před rokem +3

    Looks like the pigs killed a bunch of dogs.

  • @wade1198
    @wade1198 Před 4 lety +8

    Too many names, i can't keep up😂😂

    • @katharina...
      @katharina... Před 4 lety +3

      Yeah, I agree! These types of documentaries need to be watched 2 or 3 times to fully understand who is who, and what actually happened.

    • @26TptCoy
      @26TptCoy Před 4 lety +2

      it takes me two hours to watch a 45 minute documentary

    • @jbrown8059
      @jbrown8059 Před 4 lety +1

      I quit watching it i got lost in the story lol

  • @sebastianpickett3
    @sebastianpickett3 Před rokem +1

    £120000 a month 😂😂😂😂
    Get with the program !!!!!
    My mate spends that on elastic bands a month 😂😂🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟

  • @ryanclarke908
    @ryanclarke908 Před 3 lety +4

    The Police informant that was never named for his own protection seems to show in the paper work that is flicked through at the end of the story.

  • @alexjayyy5811
    @alexjayyy5811 Před 2 lety +8

    Leaving 2 witnesses going against the police easy to get to is a bad mistake by authorities,They should have kept them hidden but I’m not surprised the witnesses met an early demise

  • @stephenpenniket9976
    @stephenpenniket9976 Před rokem +3

    I think it might have been Paul Dale. Just a gut feeling. he must have crapping himself locked up facing murders until he slithered free like a grass snake

  • @user-rf7kq8tz6o
    @user-rf7kq8tz6o Před 5 měsíci +2

    And what did this investigation achieve? What does any investigation into police achieve ? Absolutely nothing.

  • @patrickjm3487
    @patrickjm3487 Před rokem +8

    Terry hodson and his lovely wife Kristen should have been treated with the security they deserved and that poor man and woman were ordinary people like you and me!!
    Police are the blame for their murders no doubt about that!!
    The video of terry playing with his grandchild was priceless and it showed his love and pride at the same time!!!!
    May they both Rest in peace and the Victoria police should be held accountable for not protecting Kristen and terry !!
    also terry wasn’t a man walking the streets with a gun he didn’t have the courage to anything like that))

    • @sore_forey9259
      @sore_forey9259 Před rokem +1

      Wasn’t he a career criminal and drug dealer? Or did I mishear the video.

    • @ArtVandelayOfficial
      @ArtVandelayOfficial Před 10 měsíci +2

      He was a grubby crim,quit with the fairytale story ok

    • @tonymc55
      @tonymc55 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Ordinary people?
      This is sarcasm, right?

  • @petercallaghan9851
    @petercallaghan9851 Před 4 lety +5

    Charlie Bezzina served Victorians well. Overland...... least said the better.

  • @lucaseradi9739
    @lucaseradi9739 Před 8 měsíci +1

    A year later William’s death ….. Barwon Prison General Manager disappeared

    • @maryjanedodo
      @maryjanedodo Před 3 měsíci

      One of Rocco Arico's lawyers was murdered a few years later too

  • @malcolmallerton3946
    @malcolmallerton3946 Před 4 lety +5

    Useley when you get police corruption there are politicians involved with corruption

  • @Paul-mq5yn
    @Paul-mq5yn Před 4 lety +9

    looks more like a joint to me

  • @jordanspencer7992
    @jordanspencer7992 Před 4 lety +7

    OMG!! A fkn copper moonlighting as a hitman! All he has to do is plant a gun on the target say he pulled it on him so he shot him in self defence,that’s if he ever got put in a situation where he had to explain himself. WTF!! N HOW TF DID THEY GET AWAY WITH THIS FOR SO LONG.The guy who was an informant who got killed along with his wife,his poor wife was n had nothing to do with what her husband was doing.She May have known some of the criminal offences he committed but she didn’t know he was an informant and just how deep he was in it all until he had to tell her and the police wanted them to go into witness protection.That poor lady lost her life for nothing just being in the wrong place at the wrong time as I suspect that had she been out of the house when they came to kill him she may have been left alone . I think she was only killed coz she was there when they came to kill him so she was a witness they wasn’t willing to leave behind.Her only Crime was loving her husband,the father of her kids and not knowing how deeply he had got himself in to all of this..R.I.P.CHRISTINE🙏🏻💟✝️🌹🕊

    • @harryricochet8134
      @harryricochet8134 Před rokem +1

      Nup. They were very close and made all their decisions mutually. They'd both dealt drugs and sold illegal guns from their home for many years. They both knew the danger they were in and she indeed was quite rightly absolutely obsessive about ensuring that the tapes in the security system which the police provided were changed at the right time every day. Their first mistake was informing on fellow crims but their biggest mistake was when they decided he would testify against the police who he'd conspired with to burgle the drug house which they then got caught in the act of doing.

  • @M-N00
    @M-N00 Před rokem +2

    "it wasnt me. read my book" is now my go to anytime allegations thrown my way

  • @telezab3853
    @telezab3853 Před 3 lety +5

    Paul Dale is the lowest. He organised the murders and Carl Williams as Well. They use to supply them, then knocked them when they were going to give up Paul and his crew. Another person who knew about Paul was Carl. Paul paid Matthews family to do knock.

    • @unclemac9631
      @unclemac9631 Před rokem

      Carls prize for giving up every one was Dakotas Schooling being Payed for by Vicpol once Erico was tipped of by vicpol dogs it was Broadcast throughout the jail that Karl was a Dog

  • @markryan5493
    @markryan5493 Před 4 lety +7

    Makes ya wonder how much overland had to do with this given the recent Gobbo drama.

    • @ryanmccartney2703
      @ryanmccartney2703 Před 4 lety +1

      Overland had everything to do with Nicola gobbo was getting made to do things she did init want to do for Carl Tony mokbel

  • @reviewswithpappy8058
    @reviewswithpappy8058 Před 4 lety +19

    Live by the sword for Carl he killed plenty of peeps what goes around comes around man

    • @StreakyBaconMan
      @StreakyBaconMan Před 3 lety +8

      Still, would it not have been a better outcome for him to not have died, and helped to get a conviction against the corrupt police officers who are responsible for murders? Sure he's not a very sympathetic victim, but there was real consequences resulting from his death that were not good for anybody but corrupt police officers and criminals.

    • @deniserossiter1059
      @deniserossiter1059 Před 3 lety +1

      StreakyBaconMan Exactly!! The police are supposed to be BETTER than the criminals!! In my opinion, his actions made him worse than any of these career criminals he partnered up w/ due to the level of trust placed w/ cops, their sworn oath & last but not least..... the taxpayer funded salaries they receive!! It’s truly disgraceful & in the end, it sends the message that you can’t trust the police. Now, no one will ever come forward to work w/ the police & who could ever blame them.

    • @jakebarton301
      @jakebarton301 Před 3 lety +1

      He only killed dead beats

    • @reviewswithpappy8058
      @reviewswithpappy8058 Před 3 lety +1

      @@jakebarton301 regardless of the person's he nutted off they are and we're some ones some one man

    • @julianakleijn2487
      @julianakleijn2487 Před 3 lety +1

      except the cops were involved a d thats not right

  • @deppresedonion6320
    @deppresedonion6320 Před 2 lety +1

    Whats the name of this programe that did this investigation ????Would like to watch another few of them about different cases.Please and Thank's

  • @NevilleFuckenBartos
    @NevilleFuckenBartos Před 2 lety +3

    How did the intruder break in and kill the hodsons?

  • @smashhimmungo5798
    @smashhimmungo5798 Před 3 lety +6

    Bitterly dissapointed ! THATS AN UNDERSTATEMENT ! VICTORIA POLICE HAVE BLOOD ON THERE HANDS !!

  • @mosimadikgale87
    @mosimadikgale87 Před 2 lety +3

    With all the killings and murders I bet the drug business is still continuing like it's 1998🤗

  • @98091238
    @98091238 Před 2 lety +2

    I take it the third witness that Niddles did not take a statement from in order to protect their safety was Nicola Gobbo

  • @darrendallas8387
    @darrendallas8387 Před 8 měsíci +1

    His life was worth a vcr to police inside information??
    Yep

  • @johnmas3256
    @johnmas3256 Před 3 lety +6

    Cops have been bent since the day dot when I was 16 my boss of a pizza restaurant was buy drugs worth $10,000 + every week and these where high ranking officer's that was 40 years ago

  • @kawasakiman8965
    @kawasakiman8965 Před 2 lety +3

    Something stinks here Carl Williams should have been removed from the cell away from other prisoners knowing that as an informer he would be in serious danger in the prison why was he kept in there with two cell mates it looks like everything in the justice system in AUSTRALIA 🇦🇺 is corrupt this must be the worst system in the world

  • @user-nb2np3qd6w
    @user-nb2np3qd6w Před 9 měsíci

    You can see the frustration on his face

  • @ericalexander5890
    @ericalexander5890 Před rokem +3

    Bob Hastings seems either criminally clueless, or criminally involved.

  • @dominicpelle7841
    @dominicpelle7841 Před 4 lety +20

    Four Corners ABC legends..

  • @brendongrey133
    @brendongrey133 Před 4 lety +4

    Worst cop ever if he knows his snitch is a target of a death threat. Then let’s it happen.

  • @kingstrap8159
    @kingstrap8159 Před rokem +1

    Old Carl would have been the kind of kid in highschool that would walk past the benches and had peanut butter sandwiches thrown at him!

  • @HerrFrankenstein
    @HerrFrankenstein Před 4 lety +2

    Take profit out of the equation. No profit... No crime.../ No crime.. No violence

  • @sarahjames8195
    @sarahjames8195 Před 3 lety +4

    41:35 sounds like they are talking about lawyer x?

  • @leighwilliams8857
    @leighwilliams8857 Před 4 lety +5

    i knew he was as in MR WILLIAMS was done in by the POLICE FORCE not the inmates

  • @nicholasthoms9521
    @nicholasthoms9521 Před rokem +2

    It's well known it was Dakota Williams Godfather Tommy avanovic that was the other prisoner there in acacia unit the day Carl was murdered.

  • @jasonantigua6825
    @jasonantigua6825 Před 4 lety +2

    The lion roars and the bird sings! If only our inner being was as synthetic as those that pass away the day judging and undermining those that cannot see the light that shines so bright ! We can all learn something from the green gushers.