GUILTY!....Of Greatness? Liberty Civil Defense .45 Colt AMMO From The Taurus Judge!

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  • Testing some .45 Colt Civil Defense, self defense ammo from Liberty Ammo. Could this be the best ammo for the Taurus Judge? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Public Defender and full-size Judge revolver!
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  • @armorist6570
    @armorist6570 Před rokem +31

    I really like the idea of old calibers loaded under a modern doctrine.
    Like putting a Coyote V8 in a 60’s Mustang.
    Like back when 45LC was invented, the basic idea was “more lead in that dude over there = better”
    But now the idea is, “there are teenagers with body armor and switches on their Glocks, so i need to set off a small explosion in their chest, all while blasting ‘Big Iron’ by Marty Robbins in my headphones!”
    What a time to be alive

  • @Adam-nv9zo
    @Adam-nv9zo Před rokem +24

    I can just imagine all the cussing. Probably sounded like me working on my cars. 😆 🤣 😂

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +4

      😆😆😆

    • @alm9951
      @alm9951 Před rokem +3

      You must own Fords, Adam.

    • @Adam-nv9zo
      @Adam-nv9zo Před rokem +2

      @410m no, but I've cussed a few Fords in the past.

    • @alm9951
      @alm9951 Před rokem +1

      @@Adam-nv9zo hahahha!

    • @susanissajoke
      @susanissajoke Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@alm9951 Ford was starting to get better for a bit..then right back to the trash. With all this electronic crap in cars now they cant figure it out

  • @truthhurts7836
    @truthhurts7836 Před rokem +24

    I have a couple of versions of the judge, really like the 45 colt testing. Appreciate all of your videos. Keep them coming 👍.

  • @tedcollins4684
    @tedcollins4684 Před rokem +10

    All calibers of this ammo seem to perform about the same. Gotta get some for the governor. Nice job and keep safe.

  • @hoffpbass
    @hoffpbass Před rokem +19

    As far as a 45 Long Colt, that's a very nice home defense round. Wonder what it would do out of a Bond Arms Derringer?

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Probably very similar to this 2" Judge. 😎👍

    • @paulscountry456
      @paulscountry456 Před rokem +3

      Those will not frag on many dry barriers and will whip through many walls, they are promoted as a barrier blind bullet, the hydraulic pressure from fluid medium initiates fragmentation.

    • @chrislang5659
      @chrislang5659 Před rokem

      Jeff H!

    • @steveelbert6996
      @steveelbert6996 Před rokem

      ​@Pauls Country I had a Bond Arms derringer 9mm and could not get rid of it fast enough.Well made just not for me.

    • @paulscountry456
      @paulscountry456 Před rokem

      @@steveelbert6996 Derringers look cool and in the Wild Wild West he had one up his sleeve with a contraption to drop it to his hand.

  • @peggymorgan6355
    @peggymorgan6355 Před dnem

    Regardless of what anyone says, 45lc is a no joke fight finisher. There’s a reason it’s still around and being tested like never before! Look up the stats on how many wars and cowboy shootouts the 45lc has been involved in.Pretty damned wild.✌️

  • @yellowboxster06
    @yellowboxster06 Před rokem +8

    Great video as always. I imagine if you were an Emergency Room surgeon and a gun shot case came in where this round was used…it would be a long procedure.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +6

      Pray that you happen to be on lunch break when it comes in.😆

    • @zackaryatkins6501
      @zackaryatkins6501 Před 4 měsíci

      The way I actually learned about Civil Defense ammo was from an emergency room surgeon.. someone had used the 9mm on a guy in a defense situation and he said it was the worst wound tracks he had seen in a shooting state side and had no idea how he was even still alive when they brought him in...There was nothing he could do to save the guy so he had to find out what in the world the rounds were, then he started using them in his EDC ...and knowing this surgeon was a combat medic with multiple tours under his belt who had seen a lot of messed up stuff his word is legit...So every time I watch test videos of civil defense I always think of being told about that.

  • @leonhart2452
    @leonhart2452 Před rokem +6

    The variations on the velocity, it could be muzzle blast getting in the way. You might try using a piece of cardboard in front of the chronograph. This should prevent the muzzle blast from passing through the chronograph and effecting the readings.
    It may not help, but it might. Worth trying.

  • @Nutty.357
    @Nutty.357 Před rokem +7

    Those projectiles are so light weight makes sense to me the extreme velocity differences in slight barrel length changes, idk. lol! I dont really care for those light bullets myself, just too inconsistent. May try to shoot revolvers through a target so the cardboard will keep the unburnt powder from messing up the crono, just thinking out loud! Interesting stuff! Happy Friday! 💥💥🪶

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      They are some speedy boys. I'm with you though. Still not really fully on board with these type rounds.

    • @chrislang5659
      @chrislang5659 Před rokem +1

      Nutty!

  • @kenworland1865
    @kenworland1865 Před rokem +5

    Clean up on isle 45. 😂👍👍

  • @rippertrain
    @rippertrain Před rokem +7

    This guy could talk about anything from taking out the trash to what time of day it is, I like his southern accent. Great stuff keep up the great work

  • @pewpew9193
    @pewpew9193 Před rokem +4

    From what I can tell, the listed velocities end up being pretty close with this stuff.
    Sometimes even over box velocity.
    The 10mm said 2400 FPS, but was getting 2500 in the Glock 20.
    Id say ~1650 in the 2" & ~2k in the 6.5" is probably accurate.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      Yeah, I actually noticed that testing some more today.😎👊

  • @brucevaughn2886
    @brucevaughn2886 Před 5 měsíci

    Thank you for the constructive and consistent testing. Even when things don’t go according to plans, you provide clear accurate information about the load and results.

  • @billdubois56
    @billdubois56 Před rokem +2

    Another great jelly test Brotha , I wish you could have posted the unedited version ..

  • @frfrpr
    @frfrpr Před 7 měsíci

    Good testing. Thorough, appreciate it.

  • @jhippl
    @jhippl Před rokem +1

    This is gonna be completely random but those background clouds look painted on perfect.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      It's funny you say that because they stuck out to me when I was editing too. 😎👍

  • @Dwayne7834
    @Dwayne7834 Před rokem

    Thanks for the video. Another good test.

  • @GunsmithSid
    @GunsmithSid Před rokem

    My mother selected a Ruger Vaquero in 45 Colt when I had her at the range to select a ‘hurricane gun’. She didn’t mind the big recoil as it wasn’t ‘sharp’. We selected a 225 grain lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoint out of it’s 5 1/2’ barrel. So not a concealed carry gun, but you spend a lot of time outside after a hurricane and I would at least wear mine. She probably intended it more for the looters that come at night.
    I haven’t shot the Libertys in 45 Colt, but have shot most of the other calibers and found them to have less recoil, shoot accurately and to point of impact in all the calibers and in several platforms and always fed and cycled the autoloaders. Super impressed - the old Glasers and MagSafes do not compare. While I generally like a deep penetrating hollowpoint, the Liberty rounds are in my Shield as my EDC concealed.
    Back in the eighties if my PACT 2 chrono struggled, I would put a paper target in front of the skyscreens to keep little particles or shockwave from giving false readings. My 22-250 had a tiny 40 grain bullet over 4000 ft/sec and the readings were low deviation.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      These Civil Defense are definitely some soft shooters, but boy are they loud.😆😆😆

  • @robertwess4556
    @robertwess4556 Před rokem

    Great ammo test I will have to pick up a box for my judge

  • @1erinjames
    @1erinjames Před rokem

    Curious about this! Thank you Tools!!

    • @1erinjames
      @1erinjames Před rokem

      Hmm. Not sure how to feel bout these. They seem kinda messy but that might be a good thing depending.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Crazy stuff.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      I'm not completely sold on em either for my main calibers.

  • @dragonrider385
    @dragonrider385 Před rokem +2

    These are some speedy rounds. I have seen the Liberty Civil Defense channel on some of them. I have them in my EDCs. My 9mm and my 45acp. Thanks for the testing.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Never thought about these in the judge but they look pretty nice.😎👍

  • @philipfreeman72
    @philipfreeman72 Před rokem +2

    Good test THANKS , wonder what they would do out of a 7.5" 460 .

  • @SirHumboldt
    @SirHumboldt Před 7 měsíci

    Love the channel bro! Maybe invest in a better chrono in the future, or perhaps put it on its side, since I've noticed that seems to mitigate some inaccurate measurements. Electronics are super cool, when they work lol! Keep up the awesome videos!

  • @stangaloski4208
    @stangaloski4208 Před rokem +10

    Greatest cartridge of all time. 250 grain with 2400 under it is just magic

  • @trustnot9
    @trustnot9 Před rokem +1

    Great test and great video. I really like that 2 in barrel judge, i think i might pick one up, thanks .

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Thank you sir. These Pachmayr grips are an absolute must with it. Night and day difference from the stock ones.😎👍

    • @trustnot9
      @trustnot9 Před rokem

      @@ToolsandTargets your welcome and thanks for the tip about the grips. 👍👍👍

    • @frankfitz3421
      @frankfitz3421 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Pac grip on mine, my favorite

  • @champlow8522
    @champlow8522 Před 11 měsíci

    Love your content been going back over a year watching videos and binge watching 😂 great video as usual

  • @kevinramsey6124
    @kevinramsey6124 Před rokem +2

    I can only imagine the agrivtion going on during this test. Thanks for doing the test though. Great job as always!

  • @cgsimons1187
    @cgsimons1187 Před rokem +4

    The results are surprising. In the past I've seen Liberty Civil Defense fragment very nicely, but the core of the bullet would fail to reach the 12" mark. Perhaps in the larger calibers it does better.

  • @midsouthexpress
    @midsouthexpress Před 5 měsíci +1

    Would like to see you try this in a Colt Peacemaker clone. I would like to see how much power those guns really did have.

  • @donlocklear5769
    @donlocklear5769 Před rokem +1

    Good grief that wind was whipping. As soon as saw the title I said dang I forgot to look at 45 Colt yesterday and I had the judge with me. Good video!!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      Thank you sir. That wind made this probably the most miserable test day I have ever had. If I didn't already have all my stuff setup, I would have just called it for the day.

  • @LuckyDog350X
    @LuckyDog350X Před rokem +1

    Boy O Boy this was a cluster of a test wasn't it? Between that wind blowing like crazy & the chrono not liking the Judge to begin with, but you got er done. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      I can't even begin to describe the rage that went on out there.🤣🤣🤣

  • @jeffray6197
    @jeffray6197 Před rokem +2

    That was entertaining! Wish you could include a ‘blooper reel’ at the end of your video! That would be hilarious, I’m sure!!😉😂
    Thanks for sharing! Stay safe!🇺🇸👍🏻

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      It would be a reel full of beeps because if I didn't, YT would demonetize everything.😆😆😆

    • @jeffray6197
      @jeffray6197 Před rokem

      @@ToolsandTargets I know brother, just couldn’t resist after your comments during the video!😂👍🏻

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      @@jeffray6197 It was something. Good thing I was in the middle of the woods or cops might have show up!😆😆😆

  • @ibpositivemostly7437
    @ibpositivemostly7437 Před rokem

    Cool video thanks.

  • @hazaelbecerra-ub8bq
    @hazaelbecerra-ub8bq Před 26 dny

    Great video...but I have question is it safe to shoot.45 colt civil defense in my cimarrón pistolero single action

  • @prestoncoll876
    @prestoncoll876 Před rokem +1

    Absolutely love Liberty Civil Defense ammo.

  • @legacyAF
    @legacyAF Před rokem +4

    I love watching you test all these interesting rounds. That being said, I know it's poison, but I love lead. Especially in the form of HST.

  • @robwilson3749
    @robwilson3749 Před rokem

    Fancy stuff! Thanks for the video.

  • @edysinsimon8646
    @edysinsimon8646 Před rokem +2

    Interesting! Utilizing a pistol/carbine/rifle caliber? Outstanding thinking out side the box! Hung jury jellytime? Prefect call.

  • @randyadams03
    @randyadams03 Před rokem +1

    Was a bit a trial, surely messed up that gel. These will be one more choice for my Judge. Have great weekend thanks Brian

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Thank you sir. Appreciate you sending these!😎👊

  • @susanissajoke
    @susanissajoke Před 9 měsíci

    You are one of the few channels that actually test 45 out of the judge. So many other videos act like its not a thing

  • @caleb6988
    @caleb6988 Před rokem

    Brother tools you did a fantastic job testing these freedom seeds. I enjoy your videos and you have definitely showed me more options on freedom seeds.

  • @judge4321
    @judge4321 Před rokem +2

    I've inquired about that ammo recently but this test has changed my mind. I also checked out the Defiant Munitions ammo you tested recently and dear god!!!! That stuff is $81.00 per box

  • @jedediahsibley3355
    @jedediahsibley3355 Před rokem +2

    Damb, hits like an explosive rd!

  • @davidmeeks2405
    @davidmeeks2405 Před 5 měsíci

    Never have had to use it, hope I never do. But I have some in .357 magnum for my S&W 686 as well as .45 long colt for my Bond Arms Derringer with a 3" barrel

  • @joemorganeatmyshortschannel

    cool test

  • @scottstewart5784
    @scottstewart5784 Před rokem +1

    I can't think of any aim points anywhere near center-mass that wouldn't be a surgeon's nightmare to fix. Assuming the patient made it that far. That disk is spinning on one axis (from the grooved barrel) - then it hits body, loses its petals, still rotating, and obviously it isn't going to stay that way - it's going to be face differential pressures and be deflected and spin on a second axis - akin to a tumbling round. If it stays in the block/body, it eventually settles into a frisbee-like alignment - the shape of least resistance.

  • @timgower1675
    @timgower1675 Před rokem +1

    Would love to see what these rounds would do out of your Bond Arms derringer. Thanks for the great videos!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      😎👊

    • @bjb2309
      @bjb2309 Před 8 měsíci

      In my experience with my BAD in 45/410, the 45 keyholes somewhat often, leading me to believe this wouldn't starburst as intended. Perhaps due to only 1 inch of the derringer being rifled.

  • @Eduardojr01
    @Eduardojr01 Před rokem

    Que revólver bonito! simplesmente lindíssimo.otimo vídeo.👏👏

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Obrigado novamente, meu amigo! Tenha um ótimo fim de semana! 😎👊

  • @kodywoodward
    @kodywoodward Před rokem

    I have quite a bit of this civil defense and pilgrim ammo. It's not one of my carry ammos but I do have it as a backup ammo.

  • @kotm1
    @kotm1 Před rokem +1

    Those public defender rounds absolutely fantastic in any caliber

  • @kathygates8845
    @kathygates8845 Před rokem

    MY GRANDMOTHER WOULD GET ON TO MY GRAND DAD ABOUT CUSSING ..... !!!!!!! HE WOULD SAY .... !!!!! IT'S WORTH EVER WORD MAM .... !!!!!!!! GREAT VIDEO ... !!!!! THANK YOU TOOL ...!!!!!! DOUBLE G. HERE ...!!!!!

  • @timshelley8635
    @timshelley8635 Před rokem +1

    Awesome ammo and test! Wonder what it would do out of a lever gun...

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +2

      Thank you sir. I need to get me a .45 Colt Henry to go with the collection.

    • @timshelley8635
      @timshelley8635 Před rokem

      @@ToolsandTargets I've got an old Rossi 92 that's been a nice rifle.

  • @SaltyMaverick
    @SaltyMaverick Před 3 měsíci

    Is there any chance you can re-test these and the .357 Magnum Civil Defense with your new chronograph? I'd really like to see some accurate velocity readings. It seems hard to find some tests with these two calibers in particular with the Civil Defense stuff. Seems like the only Liberty Ammo stuff most people care about is the 9mm and 10mm.
    Also, it'd be great (and kinda funny) to see this stuff tested out of a Colt Single Action Army (or a clone).

  • @michaelhovsepian2584
    @michaelhovsepian2584 Před rokem +1

    Thumbs Up T&T 👍
    Please test these Liberty Civil Defense
    in your Bond Arms Grizzly 🐻

  • @michaelcaristo4891
    @michaelcaristo4891 Před 8 měsíci

    Love the .45 LC!

  • @jeffreyrobertson7652
    @jeffreyrobertson7652 Před rokem

    Another good Jelly Test Tools Really enjoy watching them Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

  • @jaceelee5450
    @jaceelee5450 Před 3 měsíci

    As a video recommendation, I know you've been doing caliber head to heads and I am hoping that maybe you can test .45colt buffalobore deer grenades to 44magnum out of a henry or rossi lever action
    Or even doing the 2 out of ruger blackhawks would be really neat to watch.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před 3 měsíci +1

      I've actually been looking to grab a .45 Colt lever gun for quite a while now.

    • @jaceelee5450
      @jaceelee5450 Před 3 měsíci

      @ToolsandTargets well so I got a henry .45colt and I've been shooting differnt rounds out of the standard loads seems to shoot high out of my henry compared to the faster shooting stuff the deer grenades though have some recoil supposedly pushing 1860fps

  • @coreymerrill3257
    @coreymerrill3257 Před rokem

    I think you may find the forckng cone has an extremely high polish and that is making bullets burnish to matching extremely high polish as they jump the cylinder gap . So they would be mirror like and reflect light as they pass the shadow sensor of the chronograph. They read by how long the it takes the shadow to pass over one sensor and reach the second. If the light is reflecting off of the rifling engraved areas, which is more compression than cut engraving ,the bullet would be reflecting light in all directions including down as it spins . I'm not sure how else a particular type of gun could repeatedly have the same issue with such a system . Light HAS to be involved in some way.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Yeah, it is without a doubt something with these Judges causing some sort of issue. It happens with them almost every time with all types of ammo or distance I put between them and the chrono.

  • @josephpacchetti5997
    @josephpacchetti5997 Před rokem

    I've seen these tested in 9mm, and they are not even close to something I'd consider using, but if you like them, that's all that matters, THX Randy & Brian, You guys have a great weekend! 🇺🇸

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      I'm not sold on em in general either. Not sure what it is but something.🤷‍♂️

    • @josephpacchetti5997
      @josephpacchetti5997 Před rokem

      @@ToolsandTargets If I remember correctly, It was on who-tee-who's channel, in 9mm, either way, I enjoy all of your videos, THX Again! 👊 😎

  • @chretired
    @chretired Před rokem

    Nice test Tools, even if you did edit the "frustration" out. These are just like those R. I. P. rounds. Pedals breaking off and going different directions while the core continues on trucking. They tend to cause significant tissue damage to the intended target. I have no desire to be on the receiving end of any of these rounds. TGIF and have a great weekend.
    Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

  • @Oldsoldiersays
    @Oldsoldiersays Před rokem +3

    out of my 2inch taurus i get 1894fps in 357 mag.

  • @gort4016
    @gort4016 Před rokem +1

    These sure are good for killing jelly blocks. I think I would pass as my carry round. Thanks T&T.

  • @billdye3530
    @billdye3530 Před rokem +2

    Glad I don't have to clean that jelly. Your High School Teacher was right about you becoming a Disruptive Person 😂. Start with first shot in pelvic region & go up. Don't know on this one. Stubby Snubby is at least 20dcb louder than 6.5in.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      Yeah, it was a loud one for sure. I started to clean em for the batch of tests I did today, but I just unwrapped some new ones instead. 😆😆😆

    • @billdye3530
      @billdye3530 Před rokem

      ​@@ToolsandTargetsKinda like cleaning out a birdshot load? 💥🙏

  • @noahmercy-mann4323
    @noahmercy-mann4323 Před rokem

    Talk about timing...I was just pondering some light-bullet/high-velocity 45 Colt testing while looking at an old package of 45 Colt MagSafe frangibles on my desk. 96 grain rated at 1,700 FPS from a 6" S&W Model 25. Bullets are a jacket- looks like an XTP- with #2 copper plated shot in an epoxy matrix, so basically a Glaser Safety Slug sans nose cone and with much larger pellets for better penetration. My test will not be practical like yours (since this ammo is no longer available), but should make for some mega gel destruction!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      I don't know why, but I'm just not sold on this Civil Defense ammo in general. In something like this it did a great job compared to other stuff out of these judges, but there are just too many other good options in the more commonly used calibers.

    • @noahmercy-mann4323
      @noahmercy-mann4323 Před rokem

      @@ToolsandTargets I really wish Speer would bring back the 45 Colt 200 grain Gold Dot load (they actually used to do the "flying ashtray" in aluminum Blazer cases). I've loaded the new-style 45 ACP Gold Dots in 45 Colt at standard pressures, and they're soft enough to obturate and grab the rifling, so accuracy is acceptable. Velocity with the 200 grain virtually guarantees expansion, at least down to a 3 1/2 inch barrel.

  • @bigtrev761
    @bigtrev761 Před rokem +3

    🇦🇺😎👍Crazy science my friend…did you say the f word 🤣?….man it’s ripped the ass out of the jelly contraption….just judging the results I’d call that a reckless death ☠….I’d say 100% dangerous 🙈🏁…. Thankyou Sir

  • @terrell48
    @terrell48 Před rokem +1

    Perhaps if you backed up to 10-15 feet and what if you used a Black Sharpie and colored the projectile black then fired it maybe???

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      Tried it on this one. It's always this way with the Judges for some reason.😆😆😆

  • @judge4321
    @judge4321 Před rokem

    Another great video

  • @charlesmorgan1879
    @charlesmorgan1879 Před rokem

    Wow !!! That would be messy...
    😂 i had a similar day of words...

  • @scarifrougeone7225
    @scarifrougeone7225 Před rokem

    FRAGTASTIC. Good test enjoy the Judge testing. Bring out the Circuit Judge. I think you would really have the splinter maximum effect. Lol. Civil Defense is for real. Don’t have any of that around here. So question how do you like the Circuit Judge? Still performing good for you? Be safe and thanks for sharing. 🇺🇸👍⭐️🇺🇸

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      I really like it. Very unique gun to have in the collection.😎👍

  • @jeffreybean5363
    @jeffreybean5363 Před rokem +1

    Great 45LC test out of those judges. 🇺🇸👊

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Thank you sir. Looks like a good round for these.😎👍

  • @kimness7796
    @kimness7796 Před rokem

    Thanks for the hard work!!!! The jelly looks like about 1600-1800 fps. Great for blowing up musk melons!!! But I'd take a 3" .357 with 125s. These .410s are too big.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      Definitely take a .357 over these for anything serious. These are more for "hey look at this thing!" for me😎👍

  • @tommylitchfield3450
    @tommylitchfield3450 Před rokem

    I have shot those out of a 3" 9mm in milk jugs full of water and against steel plate, since Liberty claims them to be armor piercing. Soft armor, sure, but you do what you gotta do. I knew that it fragmented big time, so I put three jugs wide and 4 jugs deep. The first 3 in front were all busted...naturally, the middle one that actually got the actual shot had the most damage, and it was WRECKED! But the little base, like a watch battery, barely put a dent in the second jug in the center. That thing just EXPLODED! Against the steel plate, about 1/8th thick, the liberty did knock a deeper dent than the 115 FMJ that I shot as a comparison. It would be devastating against coyotes, but that lack of penetration did not float my boat at all. But MAN! I have never seen a round go as deep, or even deeper sideways as it did in straight line penetration. It would WRECK the insides of a bad guy, but I don't think it's a 100% chance that it would make it to the vitals if there was something in the way, like something in a shirt pocket, without exploding into shrapnel. But it sure was impressive seeing how it treated those front jugs! It was the closet thing to a rifle shot in a pistol caliber that I have seen! I thought I HAD me something!... until I saw how super-shallow that devastation was! But that's what testing is for, right?! Keep 'em comin', Tools!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Yeah, they act a lot like a varmint round for sure in that first few inches.😎👍

  • @timjohnson8390
    @timjohnson8390 Před rokem

    Man I love these Civil Defense rounds for my home defense handguns in 40cal and wife's 9mm. Seems like they'd make anyone change their prior plans immediately.. thanks for the info be safe

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      Got a .40 test of them coming next week.😎👍

    • @timjohnson8390
      @timjohnson8390 Před rokem

      @@ToolsandTargets my ccw is a shield n 40cal and they definitely hit hard from that size tool but I use them in my full size M&P pro series 40cal for home defense. Wow are they loud as hell though

  • @richdoherty64
    @richdoherty64 Před rokem

    I have that ammo in 38spl for my RIA snubnose. I'll probably just use it at the range.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      It's impressive in the gel, but I'm not sold on it for my main calibers.

  • @loquat44-40
    @loquat44-40 Před rokem

    impressive. I wonder if that ammo is safe to use in an Italian copy of the .45 colt single action army revolver.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      Not familiar with that gun. These are very light recoiling rounds but I'm not sure what kind of pressures they run.

    • @loquat44-40
      @loquat44-40 Před rokem

      @@ToolsandTargets I am referring to replica copies of the 1873 colt army revolver. This gun was carried by troopers and many civilians. Think of the guns use by A Baldwin to shoot his colleague on a movie set.
      I did look it up and there was a claim that they were ok to shoot in such thin cylinder walled revolvers.

  • @natjonestower3035
    @natjonestower3035 Před rokem

    Fine example of a "sit yer ass down" round.

  • @areyoulying4937
    @areyoulying4937 Před 2 měsíci

    I wonder what carbine length lever gun fps would be.

  • @yuvgotubekidding
    @yuvgotubekidding Před rokem +1

    What the heck was all of that? That was a rough one. Made you work extra hard. Any test after that one has got to be a breeze now. 😁👍🇺🇸👊

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      It was already absolutely miserable with the wind and then this. I knew it was coming though. It happens with the Judges almost every time. no matter what round or distance I try to stand.😆😆😆

  • @ctsnider88
    @ctsnider88 Před rokem

    I have a lot to say on this one. my sympathies to you if you are going to reuse that block. Good luck to any surgeon that tries to remove those from someone. Do the fragments travel far enough to be effective even if it is a chest shot? Is that disc much bigger than a 22 round? This bullet is not one I could judge by the gel test. ( pun not intended but it fits) Good test though.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      I'm not completely sold on these Civil Defense rounds. Looks like another good option in this case but I personally prefer conventional stuff in my main use calibers and guns.

  • @jasonkeating9958
    @jasonkeating9958 Před rokem +1

    Those 2" were not exactly impressive although Im not with those people who say that would only be a flesh wound minus the core,
    But the 6" was a different story, that extra fps seemed to really wake them up as that whole track looked nasty,
    Id like to see if going even longer like a 16" or 18" would do better,
    Also this explosive fragmentation round could be great if the company made a heavy version say 200gr to 250gr like a sjhp with the hollow point almost to the base with some internal slices inside to round to weaken it in a calibre like 45+p+/45 super/460 Rowland or a bit lighter with say a full power 775fpe 180gr to 225gr fragmenting 10mm or 357 mag or sig of 158gr to 180gr,
    If they had a heavy round from the start and got the whole round to detonate with high fpe you wouldn't need the base for penetration as the waight and fps plus the larger pieces a heavy round would produce would get it there and the wounding on the way would be incredible,
    Imagine this 78gr but much more power and 3 to 5 times the weight, maximum damage no over penetration.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      Yeah, I would love to see all of these Civil Defense with some more weight to em.

  • @richardhillier442
    @richardhillier442 Před rokem

    Howdy Tools 🔧 😎 how bad was the recoil between the two? Older arthritis hands handle that beast? Just curious 🤔 Thank you sir.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Really didn't notice much difference between the two. They were lighter recoil than a standard 9mm round, just pretty loud.😎👍

  • @GunRagDave
    @GunRagDave Před rokem

    Thanks for testing these. I think I'll stick with HST.

  • @lanedexter6303
    @lanedexter6303 Před rokem +1

    Wow, difficult test. I guess you’d need a giant jelly block to get the whole picture. Interesting, though. It would be great if you could settle the chrono issues, then compare those judges to an ordinary .45 Colt revolver. 👍

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      It always fights me with these Judges. It hates em.😆

  • @randlerichardson5826
    @randlerichardson5826 Před rokem +1

    Are the barrels rifled in them Judge pistols Tools

  • @leroycaudill96
    @leroycaudill96 Před rokem

    Good test Tools but you are right very unpredictable.

  • @tinkertalksguns7289
    @tinkertalksguns7289 Před rokem

    Good test, but I am not keen on these bullets. I like to hit what I aim at, and if those bullets curve in tissue the way they do in gel it might miss vital structures. I'll stick to more conventional ammo.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Thank you sir. Not sold on them in general either.😎👍

  • @billdye3530
    @billdye3530 Před rokem

    That new Judge Executive model is pretty sharp looking for a chunky carry revolver. 👍

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      Local shop has one in stock. I really like how they used a brass rod in the front sight.

    • @billdye3530
      @billdye3530 Před rokem

      Imagine it ported & having to pull the trigger with that ammo in it about 3:00AM in your home. Be AC/DC time "The Walls Were Shaking All Night Long" Concussion would shake Granny's dentures off the nightstand. 😂😂

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      @@billdye3530 🤣🤣🤣

  • @ironmikehallowween
    @ironmikehallowween Před rokem +1

    That looks like an absolute mess for a surgeon. Not sure what they accomplish with such shallow penetration with respect to the shedding of the petals, but it definitely looks brutal. I really like segmented rounds for small game, but I am not sold on them for larger animals or self defense. Thanks for the video. It looked very frustrating, and I appreciate your work.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Agreed. These look like another good option in something like this Judge, but not for my main stuff.

  • @A_Brit
    @A_Brit Před rokem

    I'm not sure what other offerings are in 45 LC, but at least they would cause a heck of a mess.

  • @jacobtuinstra1754
    @jacobtuinstra1754 Před 5 měsíci

    That 45 colt ammo is tested in a 2.5 inch for that 1800fps.. in my 5 inch ruger bh I get 2050 fps

  • @ccassidy43montana
    @ccassidy43montana Před měsícem

    You need a Garmin Chronograph.. spendy, but accurate and gives you ft pounds of energy

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před měsícem

      I use a Labradar now. It gives you all the info you want all the way out to 100 yards. The Garmin only reads at the muzzle.

  • @areyoulying4937
    @areyoulying4937 Před 9 měsíci

    I wonder how it would perform from my Winchester carbine?

  • @CarolinaRimfire
    @CarolinaRimfire Před rokem +1

    Jelly block looking like my son's diaper in the morning 🎉😂

  • @peelreg
    @peelreg Před rokem

    When a chrony does not like a pistol it may be the muzzle blast. Next time you shoot a Judge, try backing up a bit. I found that I need 15 feet (or more) to get 100% results.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      Yeah, it's definitely something to do with the blast from these Judges in particular. It happens nearly every time. I've stood far enough back that I was worried about the accuracy of these things hitting the chrono, and still get crazy errors from them.

  • @lens7859
    @lens7859 Před rokem

    Wow, that was frustrating, does coloring the bullets help? I figured it may have.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      Didn't seem to on this one. It's really these judges in particular that always give me a hard time trying to get chrono readings.😆😆😆

    • @lens7859
      @lens7859 Před rokem

      @@ToolsandTargets gotta say , I was entertained, and congrats, see the subs over 40k. Still amazed how it’s not ten times that.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      @@lens7859 Appreciate that, brother.😎👊

  • @jackschmac
    @jackschmac Před rokem

    I can see that they all went in straight and then dove down.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      Yeah once they get out of balance, they get crazy.😎👍

  • @thetexasrat
    @thetexasrat Před 10 měsíci

    What is the perceived recoil?

  • @edysinsimon8646
    @edysinsimon8646 Před rokem

    If I didn't know any better, (and I don't) the frontal radius of the bullet is deflecting the light wave propagation not allowing a actual/factual reading of the round? Definitively a man stopper!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem

      I think it needs a Flux Capacitor upgrade!💥👨‍🔬💥

  • @treetop.garage
    @treetop.garage Před rokem +1

    Definitely erratic ..but a lot of devastation..great test tools

  • @ftdefiance1
    @ftdefiance1 Před rokem

    I wish more companies manufactured conventional revolvers in .45 Colt.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  Před rokem +1

      That would be nice. Most stuff is either a novelty like these Judges or derringers, or single actions.