Why Did This Engine Fail?

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
  • got this kohlar twin given to me that was on a large truck mounted leaf vac. lets tear it down and see what happened,

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  • @fillg
    @fillg Před 4 lety +279

    I stopped loaning out stuff a couple years ago after a neighbor borrowed my mower and destroyed the blade by hitting every rock and stump they could find. I've had several people ask since then and I will mow it for them but I have to say no to the loan. Nobody cares about my equipment like I do.

    • @djaydeved
      @djaydeved Před 4 lety +20

      ay i can atest to that bs
      its not even lawn equiptment either its literly everything
      they borrow and never give it back

    • @timwilliams9443
      @timwilliams9443 Před 4 lety +6

      You've got that right

    • @willmorrow375
      @willmorrow375 Před 4 lety +18

      I stopped when a neighbor borrowed a 100' garden extension cord and it came back cut to shreds no apology no repairs just dropped it off and ran I did send him a bill which he paid but it ruined it for others.

    • @marcryvon
      @marcryvon Před 4 lety +8

      @@djaydeved
      Been there a few times. They bring it back all dirty. No respect. "Oh it was like that when I took it." 😡
      On 2 occasions "Oh, my brother in law needed it and was supposed to bring it straight back to you. Did'nt he" ! 😡😡😡😡
      Never, ever again ! 👹

    • @blastshieldaddiction
      @blastshieldaddiction Před 4 lety +19

      I loaned some brand new ratchet straps to my next door neighbor. They brought them back frayed and practically destroyed. When he handed them to me all balled up I said where's mine, he said these are yours. I said I didn't loan you ruined straps. He just shrugged his shoulders like big deal. Well if it's not such a big deal then buy your own. I'll never loan out stuff. These new Americans believe the world exists just to serve them.

  • @hunterhippensteel
    @hunterhippensteel Před 4 lety +51

    WHAT CAUSES THESE ENGINES TO FAIL: These Kohler Command v-twins fail because of a poorly designed oil pump. At 41:38, at the end of that tube where the plunger goes, there is a little metal cap that gets punched into place which falls out, and I'll bet you will find a little round metal cap somewhere in the carnage. With that cap no longer in place, the oil pump is unable to maintain pressure in the pump and there is no more oil pressure after that. I bought 2 Craftsman GTs from different people at different times, both had Commands with thrown rods, and both of them had that little cap fall out of the pump causing them to self destruct.

    • @nicole111560
      @nicole111560 Před 4 lety +2

      Thanks for the intel !

    • @MrCarGuy
      @MrCarGuy Před 4 lety +1

      Decent engines as long as that is addressed.

    • @hunterhippensteel
      @hunterhippensteel Před 4 lety

      @@MrCarGuy Agreed, they are one of my all time favorite small engines in terms of power and reliability once it is addressed.

    • @djmips
      @djmips Před 4 lety

      Hunter, was that cap missing in Mustie's pump? I am not familiar enough to tell from a still frame. From looking online it appears the pump has been redesigned quite obviously in the pressure regulator area.

    • @hunterhippensteel
      @hunterhippensteel Před 4 lety

      @@djmips the camera angle wasn't good enough for me to be able to see

  • @andrewamador2214
    @andrewamador2214 Před 4 lety +35

    When "friends" ask to borrow from my large tool collection, I always tell them "You can borrow my skill saw but I don't have any usable blades - go to HD and get a new blade". Or sanding belts or router bits or whatever. Their response is ok, I will - and then I never hear about it again.

    • @dougdier3104
      @dougdier3104 Před 4 lety +1

      With friends like that you don't need enemies

    • @alfredmorency8296
      @alfredmorency8296 Před 4 lety +2

      Andrew Amador That's very clever, I ask for a deposit at replacement cost. The problem with my approach is they tend to get bent out of shape but at least they won't ask again.

    • @GeorgiaRidgerunner
      @GeorgiaRidgerunner Před 4 lety +5

      Ive had people do that before
      Ive also had people ask me to fix there mowers for them but when i say they have to buy the parts if it needs something they wont do it

    • @cyndernight2422
      @cyndernight2422 Před 4 lety +11

      i actually replace any consumables i use when i borrow, so saw blade, motor oil, fuel, bar oil (chainsaw).... i basically operate as "give it back in the same or better condition then i got it" one chainsaw i got had a sticky throttle, slow revving with stalls on idle and thick oil when i got it, after i was done i stripped it to the engine, cleaned each part and rebuilt the saw, gave it back looking like new with no sticky throttle, returned the jets and new oil... guy i got it from says its never run this good since he bought it and wanted to know what i did. :)
      i said: i take care of my equipment
      he said: but its not your equipment, its mine.
      i said: its true, but i still treat it like its mine... or did you prefer your saw like it was?
      he never objected to me borrowing a tool again.

    • @AmigaA-or2hj
      @AmigaA-or2hj Před 4 lety +1

      I’ve lent one of my cordless Dewalt drills to a work colleague. When I’ve got it back, he’d blown the charger!!😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

  • @goodnough1
    @goodnough1 Před 4 lety +82

    My bet, is the motor was on it's way out, and someone gave it the full throttle send to small engine heaven.

    • @888johnmac
      @888johnmac Před 4 lety +10

      small engine heaven ... AKA Mustie's shop ??

    • @peterkoller3761
      @peterkoller3761 Před 4 lety +5

      @@888johnmac no, that´s the ER.

    • @Tshizzle42o
      @Tshizzle42o Před 4 lety +2

      My bet is its a kohler command series and it blew up because thats what they do. Just picked a tractor up with a 21hp kohler command with broken rods

    • @rverro8478
      @rverro8478 Před 4 lety

      @@Tshizzle42o So, in essence, The Command is catching up to the Courage.

    • @achgreentree
      @achgreentree Před 4 lety +1

      not just small engines, an ex Mercedes dealer solved an under warrantee engine noise issue that way,
      after disabling the rotor's over rev spark killer. lots of repair jobs stalled as the parts came in COD. folded at last.

  • @garthwright4064
    @garthwright4064 Před 4 lety +24

    I love hearing you explain how all the parts work together. It makes sense when you explain and show how things operate together in the engine. Thanks!

  • @pielut805
    @pielut805 Před 4 lety +3

    Sometimes Mustie we just don't know jack. I was thinking run away governor or the person running the machine wanted the day off. Thanks for bringing us along for the ride.
    With regards to loaning out equipment, I had a neighbor borrow a piece of equipment and had not returned it when he came asking to use my lawn mower. I have no problem telling it like it is. I said as soon as you return the equipment you borrowed 3 months ago I would consider loaning you another. He brought back what he had borrowed and I wheeled out a relic of a push mower. I told him that this is my cherished personal mower and that I expected him to return it in the same condition he received it. He pushed the mower across the street where his grass was almost to the point of needing to be weed wacked first. 5 minutes later I look out to find the mower sitting next to my gate. I looked over at his lawn and noticed a very small section cleared and realized he gave up. I try not to let the actions of one spill over to the other neighbors.

  • @capecodmikemike7482
    @capecodmikemike7482 Před 4 lety +136

    My father always said never loan out anything you can’t afford to loose.

    • @flick22601
      @flick22601 Před 4 lety +13

      A very wise man, your father.

    • @alfredmorency8296
      @alfredmorency8296 Před 4 lety +13

      Never loan tools to people who don't own tools.

    • @davemartin1534
      @davemartin1534 Před 4 lety +10

      My grandfather always told me never borrow anything u can't replace with a new one if something happens to it.

    • @daveogarf
      @daveogarf Před 4 lety +1

      (*lose)

    • @ryan0io
      @ryan0io Před 4 lety

      Hopefully you can tighten it back up once you get it back.

  • @jamesjacocks6221
    @jamesjacocks6221 Před 4 lety +20

    If I lend something to someone, it's already written off. Borrowers aren't using the same equations that owner-operators use. Generally, I'm standing there withholding with effort my judgement that I am being asked if I mind being used. I had a Kohler powered leaf collector and that engine was not only bulletproof but started on the first pull after sitting a season. Got a small yard, gave it to someone who broke it in two months! I felt I had let the machine down.

    • @billssolarpowerandgardenin1016
      @billssolarpowerandgardenin1016 Před 4 lety +2

      James Jacocks I loaned a tiller to a cousin. His wife paid to repair when it broke so she felt it then belonged to her. I thanked her for paying rent (repairs) for the 6 months she kept it and took it home.

    • @rogerd4559
      @rogerd4559 Před 4 lety

      yes... yes you did

  • @gasman6996
    @gasman6996 Před 4 lety +31

    Just opened my browser to find this vid only 6mins old! I can almost smell warm oil and mouse.. Happy Sunday Mustie and fans.

  • @jazbell7
    @jazbell7 Před 4 lety +2

    I have a 40 year old Kohler generator set. Gave me many hours of power failure coverage, but in 2018 is finally died of old age. It has an oil pressure gauge, low oil pressure cutoff and high cylinder head temperature cutoff.

    • @rogermorits5415
      @rogermorits5415 Před 4 lety

      i would say you got your moneys worth.

    • @jazbell7
      @jazbell7 Před 4 lety

      JAMES AZBELL I did indeed. Replaced it with a modern Generac.

  • @TheVexCortex
    @TheVexCortex Před 4 lety +11

    Discolored metal, cooling fins packed with debris, oil and oil filter never changed. Looks to me like it ran too hot for too long. Cooked oil that doesn't lubricate as well combined with the piston rings expanding too much. I think the piston rings temporarily seized, and when the engine cooled down the rings let go again, that's why the pistons came out relatively easy.

    • @therealswarvey
      @therealswarvey Před 3 lety +1

      Exactly what I was thinking. Rings pinched the pistons, weakest link let go

  • @guymanicone7921
    @guymanicone7921 Před 4 lety +2

    That was very helpful in understanding the chain of events that cause engine failure as well as the importance of oil pressure and cooling in the process.

  • @stanleystepleton5750
    @stanleystepleton5750 Před 4 lety +15

    “Inner sanctum of doom”. That would be a good title for a new series. Thanks for the inspiration to fix things and not just kick it to the curb.

  • @joesphmoger3683
    @joesphmoger3683 Před 4 lety +24

    You are a learning channel even when it's junk Parts are worth more than most would think

    • @rogerd4559
      @rogerd4559 Před 4 lety

      that engine has alot of value. It gave its life so that others would have spare parts for their engines like that one

  • @Maximus43968
    @Maximus43968 Před 4 lety +187

    Mustie wears a bright yellow shirt, tears down nasty dirty oily engine. Washes hands still has a bright yellow shirt. Me walks by dirty engine has dirty pants, shirt, shoes, probably socks...... Good times

    • @danielnoel3060
      @danielnoel3060 Před 4 lety +6

      Same hear!

    • @davemartin1534
      @davemartin1534 Před 4 lety +4

      I know just what you mean, that's why I don't wear white, I a man in black. ''Wonder where that black greasy spot came from''

    • @jayh1947
      @jayh1947 Před 4 lety +6

      I repaired copy machines for about 40 years. Wonder why I always wore all black........Jay

    • @Ajaxaxxess
      @Ajaxaxxess Před 4 lety +2

      @@davemartin1534 My gf bought me white t shirts first couple of months we dated, i wrecked them, she got a bit mad then realized im always monkeying with stuff..lol no more white shirts

    • @cabowabovhnut
      @cabowabovhnut Před 4 lety +5

      I'm always amazed at the people that can do almost any dirty job and stay clean! I used to work with a guy who could paint walls all day long without getting paint on him, me..... looks like I had a paint fight with several people lol! Oh, and tell me this....how can anyone pressure wash and stay dry???!!!🤣😎 I've seen it but I sure can't do it!!!

  • @jwiswall
    @jwiswall Před 4 lety +31

    "I was going to try startin' it". Pretty much your motto, you should get that printed on T-shirts...

    • @spgoo1
      @spgoo1 Před 4 lety +4

      It ran just the other week

    • @tomhath8413
      @tomhath8413 Před 4 lety +6

      @@spgoo1 Ran the last time they used it.

    • @CanadairCL44
      @CanadairCL44 Před 4 lety +1

      Mustie's always starting something!

    • @kcraig51
      @kcraig51 Před 4 lety

      Have a picture of a mower with a rod hanging out the block!

    • @meyer629
      @meyer629 Před 4 lety

      "It broke for no reason" A.C...The Legend!

  • @Marauder92V
    @Marauder92V Před 4 lety +7

    Finally! I can teach Mustie something (some people can go a life time and never have that happen). On airplane oil filters, we cut the oil filter element at the edges using a case knife. Allows you to remove the entire element to inspect it.

    • @rogerd4559
      @rogerd4559 Před 4 lety +1

      it looked like he got the whole filter out in one piece

    • @rogerd4559
      @rogerd4559 Před 4 lety

      A case Knife? do you mean the brand?

  • @robertheinkel6225
    @robertheinkel6225 Před 4 lety +1

    Back in the early 80s, Cub Cadet started using the Kohler 17 HP in their mowers. This engine was designed for stationary use. they started throwing rods left and right. We found out two main issues. First, the oil pickup was only on one side of the engine, and when you mowed on a side hill, wth the pickup on the upper side, the engine would lose oil pressure, and throw a rod. The second issue, was the oil passage was machined into the case halves, and during assembly, and excess sealant on the case halves, would seal off the oil passage, and throw a rod. Most engines would self destruct within the first 50 hours. Most previous Kohler engines would run for 30 to 40 years before needing an overhaul. I short blocked them under warranty, and no more issues.
    On this engine, I suspect over reving.

    • @M.TTT.
      @M.TTT. Před 3 lety

      the magnum opposed twin? Or V twin?

  • @blair79bear38
    @blair79bear38 Před 4 lety +6

    I happen to like those V-twin motors. they don't have a particularly long service life. My son rebuilt one for his employer. it was on some kind of zero turn mower. had the block bored. they fitted the 2nd version of pistons as the original were no longer available. it cost !!!!! Those pistons really cost some coin. Then he found that both coil packs were flakey. He never did get the governor to work right. kinda sticky he said. but his employer didn't want him to spend any more time on it so it ran as is. It also loved to shake the carb loose from the intake.
    As for this engine. to me it screams a lubrication failure. the scoring in the cylinder on one side. the packing up of the throw on the crank. probably enough to cause the rod to let loose at top speed, maybe it was even running at overspeed. Those lifters even on the video you could see were packed in. probably the source of the metal that got into the system which probably aggravated the crank throw bearing surface. Ya, it ran hot. you can see how the oil was well burned . might also indicate poor maintenance schedule. Thats my unprofessional opinion. Ya I know, opinions are like belly buttons. everyone has one. I recall seeing those hyd lifters the first time. made me think of Chev V8 ( small and big block ) lifters. never did compare them.

  • @1gatomon
    @1gatomon Před 4 lety +2

    Once I saw the cobbled wiring to the engine it was not hard to see why It failed.. A good combination of overheating and low oil killed the engine. The color of the Oil is a good sign. Kohlar engines are built with a lot of pride in Wisconsin and I should know I had a friend that worked the assembly line. The two diffrent bolts on the exhaust also showed that someone was in the engine before.. Prob never fixed the wiring right and there was no Low Pressure switch working and lack of cleaning and Maintenance......Kaboom!

  • @TedBishop1
    @TedBishop1 Před 4 lety +49

    love the loaned out generator story I can realate I wont lend out anything with a motor anymore

    • @paulbateman3654
      @paulbateman3654 Před 4 lety +7

      Some people have no mechanical sympathy.

    • @MrPaige222
      @MrPaige222 Před 4 lety +14

      I love how people give you a tiny amount of money as if it will replace the thing they've lost or destroyed. I don't loan anything anymore unless I never intend to see it again. Usually, if I ask for it back, the person who borrowed it actually feels put out because they're used to having it.

    • @flick22601
      @flick22601 Před 4 lety +9

      I've learned the hard way - don't loan anything. I know people who can destroy a hammer.

    • @dans_Learning_Curve
      @dans_Learning_Curve Před 4 lety +4

      Yep, guaranteed they'll treat it totally different than you'll treat it!

    • @MaShcode
      @MaShcode Před 4 lety +1

      Regularly checking your engine fluids is like checking your own bp. Many can’t be bothered. We see what happens to them.
      Read The Borrowers. A classic. I happily lend things I don’t want returned lol

  • @andrewlisenby9693
    @andrewlisenby9693 Před 4 lety +1

    Many years ago, I let a "friend" borrow a Sanyo top loading BetaCord VCR. He had custody of his 8 year old and 5 year old sons that weekend. When I got the VCR back, the tape loading door would not stay locked unless a heavy book was placed on top of the door. Never again!

  • @buddyrevell6369
    @buddyrevell6369 Před 4 lety +44

    I keep a junk push mower for those neighborly loan moments. The Honda stays with me....

    • @flick22601
      @flick22601 Před 4 lety +1

      LMAO

    • @dontblameme6328
      @dontblameme6328 Před 4 lety +7

      So you have 2 junk mowers.

    • @buddyrevell6369
      @buddyrevell6369 Před 4 lety +3

      @@dontblameme6328 hahahaha. Ba-Da-Bing!

    • @raguhmuffin
      @raguhmuffin Před 4 lety +2

      You loan out the Honda because you know it will still run after haha

    • @tomtruesdale6901
      @tomtruesdale6901 Před 4 lety +4

      I got a free Honda mower from the guy down the street because "it just stopped running"......... low oil, added some and now it runs great

  • @mattmanyam
    @mattmanyam Před 4 lety

    Those Kohler flywheels are notorious for rust-jacking the magnets off. I cleaned mine up, labeled the poles, and JB welded them back in place, with playing cards to space them all evenly. Worked great.

  • @roger4375
    @roger4375 Před 4 lety +42

    Whether or not you discovered why the Koehler failed, it was entertaining. I was wondering if you blew out the oil passage hole in the crankshaft? My 1st thought was that it was clogged and was the reason the Rod journal seized. I agree with the idea of someone latching on to the throttle and over-reveled the engine until it seized and detonated. I also think most of us have a story about lending out tools and not getting them back in running condition. My new paint sprayer came back full of sticky red paint. I had to toss it.

    • @armstronggeorge1533
      @armstronggeorge1533 Před 4 lety +5

      At least you got it back ,usually you get the i don't know where it is but I'll look . Then they move never to be heard from again .

    • @billssolarpowerandgardenin1016
      @billssolarpowerandgardenin1016 Před 4 lety +3

      Roger that oil pump was real tight until he opened it. Maybe the oil filter just wasn’t changed, ever. And when the rod furthest away got starved things got out of hand fast. That fine metal can really clog completely. That’s why transmissions have a magnet at the oil return to keep that out of the filter. Still, speculation from my own experience.

    • @rogerd4559
      @rogerd4559 Před 4 lety +1

      @@armstronggeorge1533 or they make copies of your precious CD's give you the worthless copy and keep the original

    • @rogerd4559
      @rogerd4559 Před 4 lety

      @@billssolarpowerandgardenin1016 Im going with the theory that the little plug came out of the oil pump, rendering the pump inoperative

    • @nairda19451
      @nairda19451 Před 3 lety +1

      I too wondered if you blew out the oilway as it was the furthest rod that failed from the oil 'in' port

  • @gman8260
    @gman8260 Před 4 lety +7

    Loaned my pressure washer to my brother-in-law who used it to clean out a horse trailer. You guessed it--he blasted all of the horse crap all over the pressure washer and returned it full of crap all over it. He's asked to use it several times since, but it doesn't run anymore (at least for him)!!!!

  • @thomasstewart9368
    @thomasstewart9368 Před 4 lety +8

    When a story starts " I loaned something to someone" it isn't gonna end well. Grrrrrr8 video 👍

  • @cfonvip5151
    @cfonvip5151 Před 4 lety +2

    I never imagined that someone cleaned a blown motor just out of curiosity, and the worst thing is that after all the mess we were left without knowing the specific cause of the failure🤣🤣🤣
    After all, I learned a lot about an OVH V-Twin.
    Thanks !!

  • @daddi275
    @daddi275 Před 4 lety +4

    all that dirt caused overheating , especially of crankcase.Oil not changed enough and hot oil does not lube enough.add in possible over revving and you have instant disassembly.

  • @butler386
    @butler386 Před 4 lety

    Yep, loaned out my push mower and after 6 months I had to ask to get it back. Of course it would not start and had water in the gas tank and in the oil. Don't loan out anything anymore either. Also loaned my chain saw to my neighbor and then I find out he wanted it for a church member and it came back in pieces. I now just keep my stuff. You want something done and I will do it for you if I can. Just don't try to take advantage of my anymore. Great video.

  • @jlucasound
    @jlucasound Před 4 lety +4

    I see two young boys playing with the vacuum when Dad wasn't home. They like the "whirring" sound of the vacuum. One grabs the governor and holds it wide open. They smile and laugh. BANG!! Then their eyes and mouths become "wide open"...and they run. ;-) Whatever happened, it seems to have happened immediately. Except for the empty large end crank journal. That could have been starved of oil, for some reason, and was leading up to this over time. Try pushing oil through the crank and see if that oil passage is blocked.

    • @bubblelvr1
      @bubblelvr1 Před 3 lety

      Yep over speed wrist pin broken from the con rod and one damaged pushrod it was raced to death

  • @apollorobb
    @apollorobb Před 4 lety +2

    For those wondering those are small block chevy lifters .We use to build those kohler command twins for our race mowers they are usually pretty tough engines

    • @alan6832
      @alan6832 Před rokem

      My 25hp runs rich. he has another episode where a leaky needle valve causes similar symptoms. Mine has an accelerator pump but no mixture adjustments to turn down, and plastic float is hard to bend to adjust float level.

    • @alan6832
      @alan6832 Před rokem

      Could you save that case by welding, soldering or epoxying a plate over that hole that was made by the connecting rod? then perhaps turn the crank however undersize is necessary unless you have a good one in the stash?

  • @MrLargePig
    @MrLargePig Před 4 lety +10

    Always tough to figure out, in hindsight. Once in a while, it's Eureka! there's the culprit, but that's actually kinda rare. I suspect it had a hard life, relatively poor maintenance, and once the big end bearing started to grab, it just cascaded in the direction of disaster. Ah, well, there's a few usable parts in the corpse.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 Před 4 lety

      Too bad it happened to be a twin.

  • @ta65mail
    @ta65mail Před 4 lety

    Getting to learn without getting dirty is great . Thanks for all your detailed tips.

  • @LTD347
    @LTD347 Před 4 lety +26

    Hey mustie, I scored an 07 Honda ct110 for free with a lost key and unknown running condition. Bypassed the ignition and it fired right up. Bargain

  • @timjohnson67
    @timjohnson67 Před 4 lety +4

    Another Sunday treat! Thanks as always from your UK fans. Stay safe!

  • @TgWags69
    @TgWags69 Před 4 lety +3

    I had an tractor engine one time with intermittent running problems... Turned out that it had a valve guide that would start to seize when it got hot. Once it cooled down it would be fine and made it very hard to diagnose. Given the sludge on the cooling fins, bent push rod and wear mark on the cam, I would have to say that valve guide was getting hot and seized which back fed into stopping the cam and crank suddenly causing the weakest link of the crappy aluminum rods to let go. probably kept running on the other cylinder grinding everything up till they could hit the kill switch

  • @kevinmoore6954
    @kevinmoore6954 Před 4 lety

    I don't know why I keep talking to my screen like you can hear me..... always fun watching! Looks like failure due to lack of maintenance. Either a clog in the crank passage or heat or both. Truly proof why you should take care of your equipment.

  • @zbij1998
    @zbij1998 Před 4 lety +3

    Ran warm from the crap in the cooling fins - oil gets thin and not as "luby" - lowered oil pressure and lowered lubricity caused the rod furthest from the oilpunp to fail. Just a theory. Does not explain the bent pushrod though.

  • @Lawnmowerman02346
    @Lawnmowerman02346 Před 4 lety +1

    Check the oil gallery in the crank . I see metal transfer so that means heat . I see it quit frequently the holes get plugged and the rod runs dry and snaps off

  • @BushcraftingBogan
    @BushcraftingBogan Před 4 lety +133

    Mustie CSI (Crank Shaft Investigator)

    • @Chr.U.Cas1622
      @Chr.U.Cas1622 Před 4 lety +2

      Dear F.M.
      👍👌👏😁
      Best regards, luck and health.

    • @BushcraftingBogan
      @BushcraftingBogan Před 4 lety +1

      chru cas Thank you good sir!

    • @Chr.U.Cas1622
      @Chr.U.Cas1622 Před 4 lety +2

      @@BushcraftingBogan
      You're welcome, it's my pleasure.
      Thanks for replying.
      Sincerely yours.

    • @devioustroll526
      @devioustroll526 Před 4 lety +4

      This engine clearly committed suicide. The fact that it at one time worked for the Clinton family, is merely a coincidence.

    • @rogerd4559
      @rogerd4559 Před 4 lety +1

      Looks like he was "shafted" on that one

  • @donabele1243
    @donabele1243 Před 4 lety +2

    Because of you, I find myself grabbing "blown" engines of all types to break them down for experience, analysis, and hording of spare parts. Keep 'em coming - we love them!!!
    Be well,
    Don

  • @billssolarpowerandgardenin1016

    I think the rod siezed in the crank at combustion maybe and just crumbled. The other one similar but just threw out the side knocking the starter off. I think if you had thought to put the oil pump back on before removing the oil filter maybe you would have found the pump was hard to turn again. There was such a large amount of metallic load on the paper that maybe everything was becoming oil starved. The crank is the first customer and the first to get angry. That rod may have been failing and things just got worse because as you know as evident by super clogged airways the oil filter may never have been changed and lifters stopped rotating and then the weaker or further away from oil journals of the two rods began to be eaten away at and clogged the oil filter with micro metallic particles. Like you said maybe the old oil filter made them remove the wire to the oil sensor. Nice that they put that at the top end. If you still have that case and pump put it back together and try out the theory. Put a plug in the filter inlet. Or not. Thanks for the autopsy, got the old brains thinking and as always yelling at the tv and the wife reminding me you can’t hear me. I know but it’s fun! 😝. Keep up the great work. Hope you’ll give me your 2 bits.

  • @brianbrundage1598
    @brianbrundage1598 Před 4 lety

    I have mowed my neighbors yard for somewhere around 7 years now. It takes a hour and 15 minutes. I always take a leaf blower to the deck and engine when I’m done and check oil before I start it each time. The tractor is a craftsman 24 hp Briggs and a 48 inch deck . It’s previous owner used it about the same and it was born in 2006

  • @zx8401ztv
    @zx8401ztv Před 4 lety +9

    Smashing teardown mustie :-D
    The trouble with lending stuff to people is getting them to bring it back!!.

  • @bigunone
    @bigunone Před 4 lety +3

    I used to live in an apartment 3 plex it was up to the residents to mow the yards, with the mower the land lady provided. Every time I went to use it I had to replace the flywheel key because someone would hit rocks rather than take time to move them from their yards. I finally told her i would mow the yards got a small discount on my rent took about an hour or so for me to do the job once a week

    • @rogerd4559
      @rogerd4559 Před 4 lety

      I dont get it I hit rocks logs and everything havnt busted flywheel key in five years of having that mower

  • @alanmumford8806
    @alanmumford8806 Před 4 lety +3

    I was once given a car: 4 cyl, 3 con rods but it still ran, so I drove it home... On later inpsection, at some point, one of the big end bolts had unwound itself (lock washer was never folded over the hex head during manufacture or rebuild?) and took a hike. The cap and second bolt bent, crank escaped the big end and then minced the entire con rod, as the now disconnected piston dropped down the cylinder. Eventually, equilibrium was reached and the piston stopped moving. I found that disassembly quite educational too, even though the end result was similar to your experience with this little twin...

  • @richierich515O
    @richierich515O Před 4 lety +2

    Hey Mustie1 😎 thank you for the time you put in your videos I will be looking forward for next video 🤙

  • @bulwinkle
    @bulwinkle Před 4 lety +41

    That leaf sucker motor looks like it has been well maintained.
    ...NOT!

    • @jacquesdeschenes6449
      @jacquesdeschenes6449 Před 4 lety +2

      Oil look very black for a gas engine and nobody ever clean the engine under the sheet metal. Indeed, well maintain engine.

    • @tcmtech7515
      @tcmtech7515 Před 4 lety +3

      Zero maintenance means zero operating cost. REALLY! 😋

    • @tomtruesdale6901
      @tomtruesdale6901 Před 4 lety +3

      If it was city owned people treated stuff like it is a rental unit. I am surprised the city did not have maintenance on the equipment

  • @michaeldowney8429
    @michaeldowney8429 Před 4 lety +1

    I originally ran across your channel from my interest in old air cooled VW’s, but I’ve grown to love all of your videos. You have such thorough, informative videos. Somehow I wish I could instill your simple, “let’s see about this “ approach to mechanical situations to my 16 year old son. He’s always in such a hurry to just get things over with. He has made a comment that he likes your choice of tools, as he’s a Milwaukee tool guy. Keep up the good work !

  • @bertgrau9246
    @bertgrau9246 Před 4 lety +4

    I had a mower that just quit running, would crank over but not run. sounded like no compression. I took it apart, the oil slinger came apart went between the cam gear and crank gear, broke the housing, cam stopped and held both valves open. got another engine worked mower another year. I guess 35 years for a mower is about the most I can get out of a mower.

  • @malcolmrowe1794
    @malcolmrowe1794 Před 4 lety

    Thanks Mustie for brining me some relief from everything here in the UK. That engine is certainly a mess!

  • @MrHowieZ1973
    @MrHowieZ1973 Před 4 lety +33

    I guess that's what they call an Exploded View. Lol :)

  • @jameshedrick6839
    @jameshedrick6839 Před 4 lety +2

    I've had one do the same to me a couple years ago. Still never figured out why it did and i kept the engine and cooling fins clean and very well maintained

  • @thomasjarosz7406
    @thomasjarosz7406 Před 4 lety +15

    Mustie 1' "clean out the hole before you look at it!" God bless

    • @QBRX
      @QBRX Před 4 lety +1

      Lessons from a proctologist.

  • @2bradsemail
    @2bradsemail Před 4 lety

    Loved this video. I could not see the cause as well. Nothing jumped out at me so to speak. My father always said "Neither a borrower or a lender be". Smart man my father.

  • @jimmyeatshoe
    @jimmyeatshoe Před 4 lety +8

    34:40 "...the more excited it becomes" 😂

  • @chrisjones8741
    @chrisjones8741 Před 4 lety

    Sixty five Ford has a video about opening oil filters with a pair of tin snips. He made it look really easy and clean. When I tried it, I don’t know if my snips were just dull or cheap or something, but it didn’t work very well for me. But I imagine somebody with the right tools who knows what they’re doing, his method works great.

  • @garymatthys3605
    @garymatthys3605 Před 4 lety +68

    re: your generator story. No good deed goes unpunished.

  • @RANDALLOLOGY
    @RANDALLOLOGY Před 4 lety +2

    Through the years, I have seen several Kohler twin like that blow up like that and blowing the side of the block out. It's got to be cheep or defective aluminum castings.
    All of them had disintegrated pushrods.

  • @flick22601
    @flick22601 Před 4 lety +23

    The most important word in the english language when it comes to loaning something to someone - NO.

  • @ronaldbechler1162
    @ronaldbechler1162 Před 4 lety

    Speaking about loaning and borrowing. On rare occasion I have borrowed something. When I return it , not only have I cleaned it completely a lot cleaner then when I received it, I have even painted some items before returning. I borrowed the neighbors pick up once and he never cleaned the floor boards and dash. When he got it back it was sparkling on the inside. That's just who I am.

  • @jarvisfamily3837
    @jarvisfamily3837 Před 4 lety +6

    "I learned not to loan equipment out" - that's the first lesson of owning stuff - your friends are not your equipment's friends, and they will screw things up - not from malice but from carelessness.

    • @frankdeegan8974
      @frankdeegan8974 Před 3 lety +1

      Not just friends but family too they want to use it but to get it back you have to go get it, One by one my sons made the no fly list at least in the garage. Don't get mad just say no and lock the door if you have to.

  • @SMKreitzer1968
    @SMKreitzer1968 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks Mustie enjoyed spending time in the shop. Look forward to seeing what you do with the one that smokes.

  • @sirsteele
    @sirsteele Před 4 lety +8

    Could have been a flaw in the rod casting... of course, there is always the "for no damn good reason" idea... that, or a voodoo curse.

  • @bobbyk6585
    @bobbyk6585 Před 4 lety +1

    Just love these tear down forensic investigation videos. I learn so much.

  • @SuperDd40
    @SuperDd40 Před 4 lety +37

    That engine had a CRUD : Complete Rapid Unforeseen Disassembly

    • @bobadam7021
      @bobadam7021 Před 4 lety +4

      Crank case failure. Failure of the crankcase to keep the rotating assembly inside the motor. See also oil pan failure.

    • @VadoVoodoo
      @VadoVoodoo Před 4 lety +2

      Catastrophic Re-arrangement of All Parts.

    • @chewyervin
      @chewyervin Před 4 lety +1

      Don't forget Fubar lol. And iy is

  • @kevingoodrich5472
    @kevingoodrich5472 Před 4 lety +3

    My Sunday fix, truly appreciate the work you do. Gives me the motivation to get off the couch an keep wrenching. But, not till after watching the newest Mustie video.

  • @rpeek
    @rpeek Před 4 lety +18

    Yea, that's when you know you've got a real fail, when parts come out the side of it. hahaha.

  • @josephfine3394
    @josephfine3394 Před 4 lety

    You can see in the video where both valves slapped the top of one piston- the intake more than the exhaust- which explains the one bent pushrod. Looks like the oil broke down from blocked cooling fins -overheating for an extended time period; finally it locked the rod, as you showed us.

  • @CombeValleyCampers
    @CombeValleyCampers Před 4 lety +18

    Been waiting patiently for this today!

  • @marcijunebug
    @marcijunebug Před 4 lety

    My 5 year old son, Dalton and I really enjoyed this one! Thanks for providing his “home school” education lesson this week! Not even kidding, he loved it! His new fav I think! Previously he was hung up on re runs of the 41 farmall a tractor tear down...so maybe we can “move on” from those 😂 he can quote those word for word i think! 🤦‍♀️

  • @BFTEgodswarrio5939
    @BFTEgodswarrio5939 Před 4 lety +5

    My dad always said that there's 2 things that you never loan to a friend.
    1. Your car 2. your girlfriend. Because they will throw a rod in both.
    Been there and done that girl didn't matter but the car got his ass kicked. Now I am going to make it 3 thing's equipment will be added.

    • @Ihavetruth22
      @Ihavetruth22 Před 4 lety +1

      ha

    • @M.TTT.
      @M.TTT. Před 3 lety

      hahaha good one, haven't heard that one before

  • @truenexus1usa
    @truenexus1usa Před 4 lety

    Hey @Cam - Similar thought. User drove engine on the "large truck mounted leaf vac" machine to bite off more than it could chew. If there was no shear pin or other failsafe, it was just a matter of time for the disaster strike. Since we didn't get a look at the carb we don't know if the user pushed it to override the governor as Mustie1 posited. Ran it balls out to try to get the job done faster but not better.

  • @shawndavis1720
    @shawndavis1720 Před 4 lety +18

    I dunno, should we have not dribbled a little gas down the plug holes and see it it will fire? 😂

    • @rogerd4559
      @rogerd4559 Před 4 lety

      @@Rick-S-6063 maybe even welder the gaping hole in the crankcase thrown another set of rods and pistons in it and fired it up... good as new
      SEll it on E-bay as refurbished

  • @suzukiman650
    @suzukiman650 Před 4 lety +1

    Hi Mustie. That Milwaukee impact should have easily bust those head bolts free but I noticed you only had it on the 2nd setting. Change it to the circular arrow when removing stuff as that is the full torque setting. That setting is only active for removal, setting 3 is full blast for tightening. I have the same unit.

  • @Mr-hn6sn
    @Mr-hn6sn Před 4 lety +16

    The old Kohler looks like it missed a few oil changes

  • @StevenEverett7
    @StevenEverett7 Před 4 lety +2

    Had a great time. Thanks for making the effort of creating these videos for our entertainment. I always enjoy the weekly visits. Cheers, Steve

  • @InsideOfMyOwnMind
    @InsideOfMyOwnMind Před 4 lety +5

    Coroner's report: "Sumpthin messed up."

  • @timharrison9060
    @timharrison9060 Před 4 lety +3

    thank you for the autopsy ... have to share, found myself giggling when you were opening up the oil filter...you were out of frame, but that didn't stop me from trying to look up and over the screen to see what you were doing....LoL

    • @gordonvorenkamp6306
      @gordonvorenkamp6306 Před 4 lety

      I almost pulled a muscle. I think tolerances built up until some defective part broke. I expected engine parts to be less brittle. Total grenade.

  • @dhh1979
    @dhh1979 Před 4 lety +3

    I also do not loan tools or equipment out. Can't afford the generosity . Have a sign in the shop "got tools, better not be mine"

  • @theodoredugranrut8201
    @theodoredugranrut8201 Před 4 lety

    Yeah Mr. Mustie 1 so glad to hear from you. Seen so many of your videos I feel like a close friend
    Central California watching

  • @guyina4x499
    @guyina4x499 Před 4 lety +6

    That engine died from pure abuse.
    Infrequent oil changes
    Overheating, from clogged cooling fins
    Low oil level, most likely run low, top off, repeat.
    The push rod bent because a valve guide moved up in thre head. If you remove the valves you'll find it.
    The other engine most likely needs head gaskets. Very common, causes smoking.

  • @NavinBetamax
    @NavinBetamax Před 4 lety +1

    The oil circulating hole on the crankshaft could have been blocked on the damaged side connecting rod...causing it to cease .....just my guessing .....Thanks for all these detailed videos...could'nt ask for any better !

  • @michaelhartloff3833
    @michaelhartloff3833 Před 4 lety +3

    I can't believe I just found your channel been binge watching for a week or so

  • @pumpkinpeanut1
    @pumpkinpeanut1 Před 4 lety

    Mustie. I really learned a lot from you about how to disassemble a small engine. I'm thinking of doing the same on my Kohler engine because the piston froze on it too! Now, I have an idea on how to attack this job. Thanks for taking time to explain the parts of the interior of the engine. I'm not a mechanic but I appreciate your approach on how you analyze what caused the motor to expire.

  • @kejuanmarquis
    @kejuanmarquis Před 4 lety +10

    34:10 Steampunk birdhouse.

  • @mikebaird3867
    @mikebaird3867 Před 4 lety +1

    I will never get the "TING TING TING...." Sound of my motorcycle engine blowing up out of my head, atleast I stopped it before the rod went threw the case, thanks for sharing

  • @Stue-e
    @Stue-e Před 4 lety +40

    lending a lawnmower or a generator is like lending out your girlfriend, they always come home rooted.

  • @bradthebad01
    @bradthebad01 Před 4 lety

    My neighbor asked to borrow my dad's circular saw. We should have been worried since we knew he didn't basic tools like hammers and screwdrivers. He came back the next day with a new in the box circular saw. He said "I wrecked yours, I'm very sorry, please take this." Turns out he just ran the saw over the power cord. The cord wrapped around the blade, but made a clean cut. So I just spliced it back together and it worked fine. He didn't know you could fix wires that that. Learning experience for all of us involved.

  • @CajunGreenMan
    @CajunGreenMan Před 4 lety +9

    We interrupt this small gas engine autopsy with an important announcement. This Old Tony just posted a milling machine autopsy. Now, back to our regularly scheduled Mustie1 autopsy. You're welcome!

    • @jjyemg2397
      @jjyemg2397 Před 4 lety +2

      Peace Love lol. Just saw that too.

  • @ianburit3705
    @ianburit3705 Před 4 lety

    Hi Mustie - pushrods - early diesel 2 1/2 litre Landrover engines were so basic the push rods were designed to bend if the engine suffered cam belt failure, hand on heart I straightened the bent ones on my engine and checked them by rolling on a flat surface marking the high spots with chalk, to bash with a mallet.. All early landrover diesel engines were made like this but still ran hundreds of thousands of miles after giving bent push rods some love taps..lol

  • @Chris-yy7qc
    @Chris-yy7qc Před 4 lety +6

    "That piston doesnt feel very long" - Thats what she said

  • @taomicioli
    @taomicioli Před 4 lety +1

    2nd one hit @24:24 you can see 2 clean spots on the piston. the reason it probably bent push rods and not valves, is the valves move parallel to the piston

  • @libertyman3729
    @libertyman3729 Před 4 lety +4

    I have the reverse problem, my nephew will bring me every p.o.s. tool and equipment he has destroyed and tell me he dosent need it anymore.

    • @johnr.8723
      @johnr.8723 Před 4 lety +2

      Liberty Man...HA HA! I had a relative that did that when I was a kid. We would get home with seized up equipment in our driveway with a note that said, “Thought you could use it.” He lived out of state and would haul stuff on his truck and dump it and leave.

    • @johnr.8723
      @johnr.8723 Před 4 lety +2

      Finally my dad lost it after we got home from Kroger’s with a load of groceries and couldn’t get to the house because he dumped a truck load of bald tires with a note that said, “like new!” After that, we never saw him again....he’s still around, because we hear...stories...from other relatives.

    • @MegaDirtyberty
      @MegaDirtyberty Před 4 lety +1

      A "friend" dropped off an air compressor to me saying did I want it, yes I said. Discovered it was seized so took the crankcase cover off and found the crankshaft was seized to the crank. I unseized it and it runs, said "friend" comes back and I show him the running compressor, he made some excuse and left shortly after. It still runs to this day.

  • @s.b.393
    @s.b.393 Před 4 lety

    2 good things came out of this video: 1) a complete tear down of the engine so we could get a good look at the workings and failures of these things, and 2) I didn't have to clean up the mess.
    Thanks Mustie1.....!

  • @shoeysbackyardrepairs2585

    Damn man, I'd say for the CZcams views, thro some used pistons and parts in it, JB weld that hole up, and see if she will run again! Now that would be a great video!

  • @waynep343
    @waynep343 Před 4 lety +1

    i keep looking at that huge snout on the dead crank and think.. i wonder what one could make out of that snout.. thanks for the tear down video.. you do need to look around for a tubing cutter blade.. to make a filter case cutter. decades ago.. my friend took a large pair of channellock pliers and drilled three holes in the sides of the jaw.. created his own filter tubing cutter with a pair of small ball bearings on studs and the tubing cutter disc on a stud. he did not try to tap the channel locks..

  • @kirkjohnson9353
    @kirkjohnson9353 Před 4 lety +4

    I think I figured out what happened to that engine- he must have loaned it to someone...

  • @VikingShipExplorer
    @VikingShipExplorer Před 4 lety

    I bought a repowered riding mower off my neighbor that had the " Courage engine " Now it has a Briggs. My neighbor said it had an oil leak when he got it, and eventually it hand grenaded when it ran empty...lol. So He and a friend repowered it with a brand new engine. I HAD to take look inside that Kohler and found pretty much what your video showed us. As for lending out equipment...not a chance. If you need to borrow something for a couple of hours, chances are the rented store will have what you need. Iv'e learned the hard way as well, that some people just don't care about other peoples stuff. Ruined it for others unfortunately. Great video as always.